This. Don't forget that millions of poor white men marched off to engage in 19th century combat so that the wealthy could continue to own human beings as property.
This shit is and always has been part of the soul of America.
My daughter attended school in Texas in the 90s to early 2000s.
I was shocked to learn (20 years later) that in school, she was told the Civil War was fought over “State’s Rights”. She genuinely never learned about “slavery”
I grew up in same Texas public schools. We were taught it was about slavery, but that it wasn’t the only cause. It was one of many…
But when looking at it now as an adult, it’s clear that even if you try to say it was one of many, it was still the one major thing that resulted in conflict.
You can put up plenty of issues that caused the war, but almost all of the issues of contention have slavery at their root.
So yeah, disagreement on whether or not people should be property was cause of war.
Exactly. For the confederate states (four of them: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, and Texas) that actually wrote declarations of cause for secession, the right to own slaves was the core reason. The other confederate states did not write declarations, but were fully transparent that the right to own slaves was the biggest reason for their secessions.
I also attended school in Texas in the 90’s to the early 2000’s and….did your daughter do particularly well in History? Because they absolutely covered slavery. It is part of the state curriculum so its not like it was just skipped.
MAGA has always been a racist ideology going back to its American Nazi roots. Even when a lot of the followers didn't necessarily know it. Anyone pro MAGA who's not white is just a useful idiot to the movement.
The problem is people want things to be “the way things used to be” and don’t want to listen when told that the reason things were that way before was because of human suffering that we don’t want to repeat.
It didn’t affect their family in the past so they believe they have no reason to worry about what happens to others as it will benefit them.
Problem is half the country DID want this. They just don't like the reality of it. He told you who he was the first time. You didn't listen - those who voted for him.
the issue is the bystander effect, everyones just thinking "surely SOMEONE ELSE will fix this problem"
but it turns out the most vigilant (willing to do something) people usually are republican (those are the ones joining the military and ice and police forces) they stormed the capital
Unfortunately Republicans voters want this and non-voters are totally okay with it. Everyone knew actually what Trump was going to do and sadly over 2/3 of the country either supported it or were perfectly fine with it happening.
And then conservatives will get even more indignant over what they try to malign as an apology tour, just as with Obama going abroad and acknowledging the mistakes of the eight years preceding his inauguration.
And Henry Kissinger died at the age of 100, Dick Cheney was mourned and honored by both parties and Bush was rehabilitated cause he paints cute pictures of hurt soldiers and gave Michelle Obama a piece of candy once. Americans don't punish it's leaders, it reveres them and immortalizes them.
LOL as if the Europeans won't BEG for U.S. help the second some belligerent backwater starts encroaching on them because they can't stand up for themselves.
Hell, we're still picking up the pieces from Reagan's administration 40 years ago. And that's when Republicans were still somewhat 'respectable' towards the rule of law and the concept of bipartisanship. The current shit-show is going to be even worse to pickup after.
The US is a shithole country now. I hope you will recover, but it won't ever be like it was. Lots of bridges are burned down. The US is best friends with Russia now. The country which has the biggest defense budget is turning into a dictatorship. I am not visiting the US.
They can’t be. Even if the impossible task of a return to normal including the repositioning of the US as an accepted member of the international community and a safe trading partner, if everything is “fixed,” people will have had years of their lives ruined by the actions of this administration. The consequences are happening and have happened. COVID took family members because of this man’s policy. Performative cruelty politics tore the bonds between family members such that even if they heal after years, it has stolen those years of togetherness from us.
They can’t undo the consequences, even if they wanted to.
They're dismantling everything and getting SCOTUS and others to put stuff in place that only applies to this president. So even if we get past this (I'm not convinced that Trump won't declare some form of dictatorship and just hand over the office of the Prez to whomever he wants) the next President won't be able to undo much, if anything and will be fighting SCOTUS most of the way unless they expand and pack the court.
Best case the dems sweep midterms and we get a lame duck for Trump's last 2 years and he gets little done, but that's why everything is moving so fast right now - he sees the writing on the walls from the elections last month.
I've been following what SCOTUS has been doing since Trump came in office and they've mainly been giving up power to the President and stripping power away from Congress. If judicial precedence means anything whatsoever, then the next President can do almost whatever they want.
But somehow they'll reverse course when someone other than Trump is in power, and only then if it's not someone from MAGA.
I'm not sure how that'll work but I guarantee - let's say Gavin wins in 2028, fair and free election and let's even say the dems sweep and hold all 3 branches. Some idiot somewhere is gonna protest everything he tries to do, even with SCOTUS legal precedent, and the same rules won't apply. SCOTUS will magically stop hearing cases that help the dems and they'll take cares from idiots that don't like the Dems.
That is yet to be seen, don't let all the doom and gloom make it seem like some accountability isn't possible. It is possible, how this all shakes out is not yet a done deal.
The first part of making it happen is believing it can happen and being willing to act on that belief. Like voting, or protesting, or striking, or whatever other places the next few years take us..
Self deporting is kinda like turning yourself in for arrest. Its not actually voluntary it just saves you from getting arrested randomly in the street and tossed in a cell.
OP can't write titles. This is right. In this case, ICE was pressuring him. From NPR:
After prison, Park received a removal order but was allowed to stay in the U.S. and required annual check-ins with immigration agents — which is typical for individuals that ICE does not consider a priority for deportation.
That changed earlier this month. At a meeting with local ICE officials in Hawaii, Park said he was warned that he would be detained and deported unless he left voluntarily within the next few weeks.
He had drug charges which spoiled his naturalization via residency. BUT he was cheated out of expedited naturalization for his service. He was combat vet who earned a Purple Heart in Panama. Honorable discharge before 12 months. Because Panama was not considered "specifically designated period of hostility", he was not eligible.
No citizenship pathway, resorted to using crack due to pain and PTSD, eventually caught buying. US government shot him in the back after he was used up
Drug charges. A guy that smoked a blunt on camera was allowed unfettered access to everyones private data before getting the predicted messy breakup and parting casual files accusation.
We have gone wrong and clearly most of my brothers and sisters in and formerly of the military support this.
They purged the competent leadership.
No alarms went.
Most of the police support this.
We are cooked because a ruling minority has seized every enforcement level and no true adults have put their foot down.
Because the people who loudly proclaim their second amendment right are currently thinking of what new gun they want to own the libs with. There isn’t enough pressure on average Americans to do anything because they’re afraid of sparking a disproportionate retaliation.
Luigi is getting a trial, if someone did something similar to a prominent republican it would likely result in lynchings across the country.
He was deported by the government. He simply went on his own accord instead of adding trauma to his family by making Trump's Gestapo black bag him like they're doing to people who don't leave on their own.
I said this before but if you are over the age of 30-35 we will have lived out our lives under the cloud of Trumps stench. This admin has caused issues that will take literal decades to fix
It’s disgusting that we allow people to go into our armed services and perform military actions on our behalf, then deport them for not being citizens.
Is it? Genuinely confused. Did he get a letter saying he had to leave? Or did he just up and leave out of fear even without being told he’d be a target?
"At a meeting with local ICE officials in Hawaii, Park said he was warned that he would be detained and deported unless he left voluntarily within the next few weeks."
And Magaziner (who I know personally from years past) needs to get the stick out of his ass about socialism boogeymen. He voted to denounce “socialism” when Mamdani visited the White House
There’s a big difference between voluntarily removing and being deported in this context. Was he or was he not removed by the government? Or was he just notified he was subject to removal?
Edit Love seeing people downvote basic information questions. It’s ok just get mad don’t try and know anything. Heaven forbid someone ask a followup question
He was told to self-deport or they brutally imprison him in a facility like “Alligator Aushwitz” until they did it.
He served our country, and MAGAt trash said “fuck you get out”
"At a meeting with local ICE officials in Hawaii, Park said he was warned that he would be detained and deported unless he left voluntarily within the next few weeks."
I'm naive I guess. I thought "self deport" was strictly voluntary. I thought it was crazy - but DHS is simply putting out a message to create fear. I didn't know they'd warned people specifically. Mass media about this was enough to push some people "self deport".
I honestly thought some people were self deporting out of fear of becoming a victim. Fear is a powerful motivator. I hate the DHS, they are using fear to the extreme when you see the crazy videos of people getting dragged out of cars and stories of people being disappeared. I would have self deported if I was brown and I had somewhere to go. Maybe not many in that category - but some.
So she lied under oath. What are the odds the DOJ actually does their job and brings charges?
Actually, if the DOJ can be bought, can we do a crowdfunded "gift" to charge her with perjury?
Surely there's someone we can pay enough to deal with these fucks.
We dont have enough money to counteract the people already paying them
We only need it to take until his next meeting. One adequately timed truth social post and it all crumbles.
The average bribe is only 20k
Isnt that what taxes are? Except in this case, the american taxpayer is just not the highest bidder
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THIS!
All MAGA is at this point is performative cruelty, just like that comedian said.
Who actually wants this?
How is our collected life improved by this dude being in South Korea rather than here?
Guessing it's "Not white, not in the USA, win"
This. Don't forget that millions of poor white men marched off to engage in 19th century combat so that the wealthy could continue to own human beings as property.
This shit is and always has been part of the soul of America.
My daughter attended school in Texas in the 90s to early 2000s.
I was shocked to learn (20 years later) that in school, she was told the Civil War was fought over “State’s Rights”. She genuinely never learned about “slavery”
State’s Rights….to continue slavery.
Banning slavery was even prohibited in the Confederacy. Talk about states right to choose.
Right to choose….to bring back slavery if they wanted to
Yeah, people tend to gloss over the Confederacy’s constitution when they say the “state’s rights” bullshit.
The classic.
"The war of Northern aggression" or some such bullshit, right?
Slavery is literally the stated reason for succession in several of the Confederate states' articles of
successionsecession.secession
Thanks
I grew up in same Texas public schools. We were taught it was about slavery, but that it wasn’t the only cause. It was one of many…
But when looking at it now as an adult, it’s clear that even if you try to say it was one of many, it was still the one major thing that resulted in conflict.
You can put up plenty of issues that caused the war, but almost all of the issues of contention have slavery at their root.
So yeah, disagreement on whether or not people should be property was cause of war.
Exactly. For the confederate states (four of them: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, and Texas) that actually wrote declarations of cause for secession, the right to own slaves was the core reason. The other confederate states did not write declarations, but were fully transparent that the right to own slaves was the biggest reason for their secessions.
Didn't texas leave Mexico because Mexico banned slavery and Texas wanted to continue owning slaves
I was born in the 90s. My texas school mascot was literally a confederate soldier, carrying a confederate flag. Wtf.
Tyler?
I also attended school in Texas in the 90’s to the early 2000’s and….did your daughter do particularly well in History? Because they absolutely covered slavery. It is part of the state curriculum so its not like it was just skipped.
It's preserving our culture of...monster energy drinks and zyn?
AND GUNS. Dafuq.
Source: YouTube https://share.google/HV5pIJGgxfp2GrbCW
MAGA has always been a racist ideology going back to its American Nazi roots. Even when a lot of the followers didn't necessarily know it. Anyone pro MAGA who's not white is just a useful idiot to the movement.
The problem is people want things to be “the way things used to be” and don’t want to listen when told that the reason things were that way before was because of human suffering that we don’t want to repeat.
It didn’t affect their family in the past so they believe they have no reason to worry about what happens to others as it will benefit them.
It’s “GET OFF MY LAWN” revenge fantasy.
Problem is half the country DID want this. They just don't like the reality of it. He told you who he was the first time. You didn't listen - those who voted for him.
the issue is the bystander effect, everyones just thinking "surely SOMEONE ELSE will fix this problem"
but it turns out the most vigilant (willing to do something) people usually are republican (those are the ones joining the military and ice and police forces) they stormed the capital
So its quite the pickle.
Unfortunately Republicans voters want this and non-voters are totally okay with it. Everyone knew actually what Trump was going to do and sadly over 2/3 of the country either supported it or were perfectly fine with it happening.
Never even looked into project25, did you?
He did not self deport, he was deported by the US government.
And he is a purple heart holder who has been in the Country since they were 7!
This needs to be at the top. Wtf is op doing here.
Literally nbc news themselves are the posters. Ridiculous.
Exactly what I was looking for. OP should remove this and repost if anything
He did self deport though? do you have a source
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/24/g-s1-74036/trump-ice-self-deportation-army-veteran-hawaii
Either way its irrelevant cause he was TOLD to self deport or be deported.
I'm assuming that's what OP means; they didn't have a choice in whether or not they were deported, so their method of exit doesn't really matter.
Report for misleading or false info.
The actions during this admin may take decades to fix, if they can be.
And then conservatives will get even more indignant over what they try to malign as an apology tour, just as with Obama going abroad and acknowledging the mistakes of the eight years preceding his inauguration.
"real men don't apologize for being tough, cool guys!" No, but they do die alone
How do Americans still not understand that it's never going back to like it was before. No one is ever going to trust you again.
Vietnam is now a trading partner with the US. Things change over time.
Loooong time
And Henry Kissinger died at the age of 100, Dick Cheney was mourned and honored by both parties and Bush was rehabilitated cause he paints cute pictures of hurt soldiers and gave Michelle Obama a piece of candy once. Americans don't punish it's leaders, it reveres them and immortalizes them.
Ove half the US population was alive when the Berlin Wall came down. Things change.
I mean most superpowers have committed atrocities in the past, not defending the US in any way but this is laughably fatalistic
LOL as if the Europeans won't BEG for U.S. help the second some belligerent backwater starts encroaching on them because they can't stand up for themselves.
It was going to take decades to fix everything the first Trump administration broke.
It's going to take generations to fix now that we've shown we didn't learn our lesson the first time.
Hell, we're still picking up the pieces from Reagan's administration 40 years ago. And that's when Republicans were still somewhat 'respectable' towards the rule of law and the concept of bipartisanship. The current shit-show is going to be even worse to pickup after.
I don't think there's really any chance we go back to what we had. Cats out of the bag. Things will just be different now.
The inaction by the entire country speaks volumes about the future to come.
The US is a shithole country now. I hope you will recover, but it won't ever be like it was. Lots of bridges are burned down. The US is best friends with Russia now. The country which has the biggest defense budget is turning into a dictatorship. I am not visiting the US.
They can’t be. Even if the impossible task of a return to normal including the repositioning of the US as an accepted member of the international community and a safe trading partner, if everything is “fixed,” people will have had years of their lives ruined by the actions of this administration. The consequences are happening and have happened. COVID took family members because of this man’s policy. Performative cruelty politics tore the bonds between family members such that even if they heal after years, it has stolen those years of togetherness from us.
They can’t undo the consequences, even if they wanted to.
I'm pretty sure it'll be unfixable.
They're dismantling everything and getting SCOTUS and others to put stuff in place that only applies to this president. So even if we get past this (I'm not convinced that Trump won't declare some form of dictatorship and just hand over the office of the Prez to whomever he wants) the next President won't be able to undo much, if anything and will be fighting SCOTUS most of the way unless they expand and pack the court.
Best case the dems sweep midterms and we get a lame duck for Trump's last 2 years and he gets little done, but that's why everything is moving so fast right now - he sees the writing on the walls from the elections last month.
I've been following what SCOTUS has been doing since Trump came in office and they've mainly been giving up power to the President and stripping power away from Congress. If judicial precedence means anything whatsoever, then the next President can do almost whatever they want.
But somehow they'll reverse course when someone other than Trump is in power, and only then if it's not someone from MAGA.
I'm not sure how that'll work but I guarantee - let's say Gavin wins in 2028, fair and free election and let's even say the dems sweep and hold all 3 branches. Some idiot somewhere is gonna protest everything he tries to do, even with SCOTUS legal precedent, and the same rules won't apply. SCOTUS will magically stop hearing cases that help the dems and they'll take cares from idiots that don't like the Dems.
The third branch of government is SCOTUS fyi.
There are ways for the President to use his so-called immunity with SCOTUS. Just use it directly on them before they can act.
There are ways for the President to use his so-called immunity with SCOTUS. Just use it directly on them before they can act.
Supreme court is gonna take decades
We never recovered from Raegan
maga is a cancer.
Destroy it by any means necessary.
Agree, the line was crossed a while ago. It's justified to freeze them out, cut them off, ignore them, don't hire them, don't give them your grace.
Truth. Become real clear how much too many people are accepting because they want to "keep the peace".
For some reason, if the title was telling me it was a skit , I would believe it
The title “Mr. Magaziner” has me questioning life itself.
His family obviously invested the Magazine
I am continually infuriated that not one of these assholes will face repercussion's for any of the horrible acts they have done.
That is yet to be seen, don't let all the doom and gloom make it seem like some accountability isn't possible. It is possible, how this all shakes out is not yet a done deal.
The first part of making it happen is believing it can happen and being willing to act on that belief. Like voting, or protesting, or striking, or whatever other places the next few years take us..
Unfortunately it seems that rich people in this country can do anything they want, including run racist regimes.
There are limits and systems can change. It doesn't mean they do, but it is possible.
Noem, the plastic barbie clone aka KAREN.
“Yeah but how many dogs has he killed?”
"He ate the dogs and the cats!"
Remember when that was in an actual presidential debate? Jfc
was he deported or self deport?
Self deporting is kinda like turning yourself in for arrest. Its not actually voluntary it just saves you from getting arrested randomly in the street and tossed in a cell.
OP can't write titles. This is right. In this case, ICE was pressuring him. From NPR:
He had drug charges which spoiled his naturalization via residency. BUT he was cheated out of expedited naturalization for his service. He was combat vet who earned a Purple Heart in Panama. Honorable discharge before 12 months. Because Panama was not considered "specifically designated period of hostility", he was not eligible.
No citizenship pathway, resorted to using crack due to pain and PTSD, eventually caught buying. US government shot him in the back after he was used up
Drug charges. A guy that smoked a blunt on camera was allowed unfettered access to everyones private data before getting the predicted messy breakup and parting casual files accusation.
We have gone wrong and clearly most of my brothers and sisters in and formerly of the military support this.
They purged the competent leadership.
No alarms went.
Most of the police support this.
We are cooked because a ruling minority has seized every enforcement level and no true adults have put their foot down.
Why?
Because the people who loudly proclaim their second amendment right are currently thinking of what new gun they want to own the libs with. There isn’t enough pressure on average Americans to do anything because they’re afraid of sparking a disproportionate retaliation.
Luigi is getting a trial, if someone did something similar to a prominent republican it would likely result in lynchings across the country.
no its nothing like turning yourself in for arrest
self deporting you don't get taken away by ICE.
To self deport you have to leave the country, you don't turn yourself in.
Yeah im aware of that. Sorry if it wasnt clear. My point was that its not the same as just leaving of your own accord.
Oh 100% agreed, maybe I just misunderstood, my bad!
He was deported by the government. He simply went on his own accord instead of adding trauma to his family by making Trump's Gestapo black bag him like they're doing to people who don't leave on their own.
Self deporting isnt a real thing. He was told if he didn’t leave he would be detained and deported, so what option does he really have?
This clip goes further than just this man too. He smashes this dog killing POS in a room full of people
Is this a first for someone using a tablet/Zoom like that? It's so perfect, put the person's face up that she has to see.
This dudes name is Magaziner?!
This country is going to shit
I said this before but if you are over the age of 30-35 we will have lived out our lives under the cloud of Trumps stench. This admin has caused issues that will take literal decades to fix
What is this self deport bullshit? He was deported.
The cruelty is the point.
It’s disgusting that we allow people to go into our armed services and perform military actions on our behalf, then deport them for not being citizens.
Did he get paid $1,000 for self deporting?
u/nbcnews he did not self deport he was deported. Fix it.
Self deported? I just saw another post that said ICE deported him.
Same thing
Is it? Genuinely confused. Did he get a letter saying he had to leave? Or did he just up and leave out of fear even without being told he’d be a target?
"At a meeting with local ICE officials in Hawaii, Park said he was warned that he would be detained and deported unless he left voluntarily within the next few weeks."
thanks for the help.
r/itsroger
And Magaziner (who I know personally from years past) needs to get the stick out of his ass about socialism boogeymen. He voted to denounce “socialism” when Mamdani visited the White House
Deported or self deported? This is the first headline to claim self deportation and it's clearly muddying the waters.
Bashar al-Assad is in Congress now?
There’s a big difference between voluntarily removing and being deported in this context. Was he or was he not removed by the government? Or was he just notified he was subject to removal?
Edit Love seeing people downvote basic information questions. It’s ok just get mad don’t try and know anything. Heaven forbid someone ask a followup question
"You can get on a plane, or sit in a cage for 2 months before we put you on a plane."
He was told to self-deport or they brutally imprison him in a facility like “Alligator Aushwitz” until they did it. He served our country, and MAGAt trash said “fuck you get out”
Wait, hold up, was he deported or did he self-deport?
He was told "leave or we'll make you leave," so he left.
Same thing, self deporting is like turning yourself in. Still deported.
No. It’s not. Unless he was given some indication he’d be a target, if he just chose to leave, that’s a choice, not forced.
"At a meeting with local ICE officials in Hawaii, Park said he was warned that he would be detained and deported unless he left voluntarily within the next few weeks."
He was deported.
There it is - he was forced. Thanks for clarifying.
yeah, thats what I wanted to know. thank you.
He was given an indication that he would be targeted if he didn’t leave. That tends to be the case for these “self deportations”
I'm naive I guess. I thought "self deport" was strictly voluntary. I thought it was crazy - but DHS is simply putting out a message to create fear. I didn't know they'd warned people specifically. Mass media about this was enough to push some people "self deport".
I think your confusing self-deporting with emigration
I honestly thought some people were self deporting out of fear of becoming a victim. Fear is a powerful motivator. I hate the DHS, they are using fear to the extreme when you see the crazy videos of people getting dragged out of cars and stories of people being disappeared. I would have self deported if I was brown and I had somewhere to go. Maybe not many in that category - but some.
me when I speak out of my ass:
Ha! I admit I didn't know the facts. I engaged here to find out. I found out.
It's bullshit. And STILL the system won't change. Because the US sucks.