Context: I can see this being helpful to understand anatomy, for anyone creating creatures with wings or humans metamorphosing into creatures with wings etc.
I thought a lot about this while developing the flying creatures of my alien world. We tend to think of feathers, but it makes much more sense for flight to come from skin wings rather than another alien ecosystem coincidentally developing similar feathers.
To be fair, almost all of fiction that I know of has aliens "coincidentally" look like real creatures... It's almost like human creativity ends when you make entirely new creatures that don't resemble anything else at all.. At least from what I've seen
Well we have exactly 0 examples to go by, so whose to say that fauna on an alien world doesn’t look a whole lot like ours? Like the same evolutionary challenges always coming up with similar answers?
It's called fiction for a reason, a lot of artists seem to try to make a new creature but just fail every time.. Look at the variety you have here, on earth.. Some are similar like humans and monkeys, some are totally different like humans, dogs, snakes, fish, trees, flowers, flytraps, sea horses, turtles, bees, some of these have almost nothing in common
On a side note, assuming evolution is real (let's not dive into that), having the same answer to a similar problem should be practically impossible because it's supposedly random.. It's not a conscious power that controls how we look like. That would just be God, it's either this or that..
I get the sense that you are not giving me arguments but rather talking points, having already decided what you personally want to be the case.
Anyway, the idea that similar circumstances will lead to similar outcomes is a commonly discussed one scientifically and by no means an argument for intelligent design. Just that if for example a planet is mostly water, you’re probably gonna get creatures who can swim very well.
Something else they didn't even get into is how, just like an arm, wings are positioned with identical ball-and-socket shoulder joints and the appropriate musculature across both the back and chest needed to create the flapping motion that gets avians airborne.
Like, flap your arms right now. Do it kinda slowly and pay attention to muscles that you are using and flexing in your chest, arms, and back to make that motion happen over and over again.
Now try "flapping" your shoulder blades in the same way lol.
This is why aesthetically I sometimes like the design of four legged dragons with wings on their backs, but anatomically it absolutely drives me up a wall.
Yeah, but as a counterpoint, we don't have wings, so the musculature needed to flap wouldn't be there. I do think that if a humanoid is going to have wings on their back like an insect, they would need to have additional muscles, so might have thicker torsos to support it if you wanted to go that route.
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this is something i had to think about for the harpies in my setting.
I wanted their wings to be bird-like, but without having them not have functioning hands, ended up with a compromise, they have 3 fingers, the thumb the index and the middle finger while their last two fingers go on to form the wings, they also have bird like feet capable of grabbing but that are a pain to walk with for any moderate lenght.
My very first art idol drew wings like they where massive arms, I absolutely loved it.
It's really sad she nuked her art, she's been gone for over 20 years now.
Context: I can see this being helpful to understand anatomy, for anyone creating creatures with wings or humans metamorphosing into creatures with wings etc.
I thought a lot about this while developing the flying creatures of my alien world. We tend to think of feathers, but it makes much more sense for flight to come from skin wings rather than another alien ecosystem coincidentally developing similar feathers.
Gotta think about size too, I would imagine skin wings on a larger creature would act like elephant ears and dump a lot of heat
To be fair, almost all of fiction that I know of has aliens "coincidentally" look like real creatures... It's almost like human creativity ends when you make entirely new creatures that don't resemble anything else at all.. At least from what I've seen
Human creativity ends when you try to invent something that doesn't yet exist. Try inventing a new color.
Well we have exactly 0 examples to go by, so whose to say that fauna on an alien world doesn’t look a whole lot like ours? Like the same evolutionary challenges always coming up with similar answers?
It's called fiction for a reason, a lot of artists seem to try to make a new creature but just fail every time.. Look at the variety you have here, on earth.. Some are similar like humans and monkeys, some are totally different like humans, dogs, snakes, fish, trees, flowers, flytraps, sea horses, turtles, bees, some of these have almost nothing in common
On a side note, assuming evolution is real (let's not dive into that), having the same answer to a similar problem should be practically impossible because it's supposedly random.. It's not a conscious power that controls how we look like. That would just be God, it's either this or that..
I get the sense that you are not giving me arguments but rather talking points, having already decided what you personally want to be the case.
Anyway, the idea that similar circumstances will lead to similar outcomes is a commonly discussed one scientifically and by no means an argument for intelligent design. Just that if for example a planet is mostly water, you’re probably gonna get creatures who can swim very well.
Instructions unclear: now I have humans with their hands shaped like wings
Something else they didn't even get into is how, just like an arm, wings are positioned with identical ball-and-socket shoulder joints and the appropriate musculature across both the back and chest needed to create the flapping motion that gets avians airborne.
Like, flap your arms right now. Do it kinda slowly and pay attention to muscles that you are using and flexing in your chest, arms, and back to make that motion happen over and over again.
Now try "flapping" your shoulder blades in the same way lol.
This is why aesthetically I sometimes like the design of four legged dragons with wings on their backs, but anatomically it absolutely drives me up a wall.
Yeah, but as a counterpoint, we don't have wings, so the musculature needed to flap wouldn't be there. I do think that if a humanoid is going to have wings on their back like an insect, they would need to have additional muscles, so might have thicker torsos to support it if you wanted to go that route.
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I tried doing that with my shoulder blades and it just made a grinding noise while very lightly subluxing, do not recommend
r/alltomorrows in the house.
This is the method I’ve been using for years to draw wings lol
woah i wanna see paw/hoof/dolphin tail now
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Dolphin tail would need two, but a flipper can be pulled off
Really helpful for understanding homology of arms and wings lol. Also if you want flying human species
this is something i had to think about for the harpies in my setting.
I wanted their wings to be bird-like, but without having them not have functioning hands, ended up with a compromise, they have 3 fingers, the thumb the index and the middle finger while their last two fingers go on to form the wings, they also have bird like feet capable of grabbing but that are a pain to walk with for any moderate lenght.
Yeah I can weirdly see myself having these mutations, what the fuck? I don't think it's weird for some goddamn reason?
Flesh mittens 😵💫
This some All Tomorrows shit
that is horrifyingly cursed...
Now give us arthropod wings
Giant, transparent nails that grow on your shoulder girdle.
so unfair...
My very first art idol drew wings like they where massive arms, I absolutely loved it. It's really sad she nuked her art, she's been gone for over 20 years now.
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Is there a version of this that I can watch without the hi pitched shrill that's louder than the voice?
I wonder if the pteroid bone was what we would call a thumb? It just bent so far back it looks like a new bone?
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Was hoping for bat wings, too!