It's difficult to understand what a pressure cooker prison can be if you haven't experienced it firsthand--when your entire life can be contained in a single building or a small campus, problems that would seem small to the average person become enormous.
There's someone in my state who's on death row for strangling his cellmate to death. He says he did it because his cellmate snored.
All the prison had to do was provide some ear plugs and it was probably an avoidable death. But prisons don't care at all if you die, as long as they aren't liable and held accountable.
Stop trying to rationalize an irrational situation, if not for the snoring (it was probably spur of the moment anyways) it would’ve been something else.
These were also death row inmates, they were marked to die young
Nah college was the closest I ever came to actually murdering someone and it was because they snored every night as loud as possible a few feet from me and wouldn’t bother sleeping any way other than flat so they never bothered to fix the issue. Made it impossible to sleep and I literally went insane
You can buy earplugs on commissary, if you cant afford that you can make earplugs out of paper. The snoring was an excuse or was the straw that broke the camels back.
What about my statement is justifying it? The part where I say it was avoidable? The part where I blame the prison system for intentionally ignoring preventative measures that are simple and low cost?
A person who has poor impulse control with violent tendencies under prolonged stress is at high risk of committing additional violent crimes. Moralizing their actions isn't a solution.
This issue occurs in every prison in the world. We can choose to make changes to help reduce the issue or ignore it at the cost of people's lives.
The prison guards intentionally set it up so that Scarver could kill those guys. Scarver didn’t get pushed to the edge, he was basically roped in by the guards to do a hit against some truly abhorrent people.
Yeah as it turns out, locking hundreds of people who are statistically already at a massive risk of mental illness or drug addiction in a large box surrounded by violent sadists in uniform, giving them zero treatment, and enslaving, brutalizing, dehumanizing, and raping them for years makes people a little prone to violence.
No one book. My facility was male, so I like to joke that the books that circulated the best were "dad reads." Authors like James Patterson, Tom Clancy, books about business or religion/philosophy, historical nonfiction. Stuff like that.
He wasn't going to have any more time added to his original sentence, so he beat two other people to death. In the process of the latter murder, he made a name for himself. SMH.
I wonder if being given a life sentence without parole at such a young age contributed to his decision. If he had been given like 35 or 45 years, maybe he wouldn't have done this. Either way, the world isn't worse off because of what he did lol
My man if I'm in prison for 45 years you're probably never getting out, and if you do you are completely fucked by 45 years of prison. I've seen the effects on family that have done 10-15, and it's jarring. I couldn't imagine someone getting out after 45 years and adjusting to society, let alone thriving as a member of it
Right? They would be institutionalized in the truest sense of the word. One of my friends has a BIL who can't function outside of prison. He had been incarcerated for so much of his life that he was more comfortable inside. He's there now, and will be for a very long time.
I do not consent to being called that name, nor do I accept being called that name. I accept for value and return for value these documents. I would now like to call the plaintiff the state of Wisconsin to the stand.
its genuinely kind of impressive that every single time, without fail that the jury was coming out or leaving he would go 'so are we gonna bring up subject matter jurisdiction now' as some kinda of gotcha or something. like the amount of baffling stupidity and ineptitude would be funny if the subject matter wasn't so serious. what a foolish buffoon. enjoy your 1000 years DB, you had the best lawyer you could've gotten.
There is an episode of the First 48 called Lester Street. They found 6 people dead in a house, I think it was 4 adults and 2 children, with another child being found barely alive in the bathtub after being beaten and stabbed in the head with a butcher knife.
The detectives thought a hit was put out for the whole family, so they put the entire family in protective custody...
One of the family members committed the murders. He had just got done serving a 14 year prison sentence and he was barely in his mid-30s. He was clearly mentally screwed from being in prison for so long, and the family members had said he was never the same after.
This happened after only 14 years. I can't even imagine how messed up a person would be after 45.
If I remember right, he killed Dahmer because he heard voices to do it and that he was the chosen one. So he was definitely someone who needed to stay locked.
This was definitely about race. Most of Dahmer's victims were black. Jesse Anderson had small share of notoriety himself for trying to blame the murder of his wife on two black men.
This is why the whole “oh, their fellow prisoners will take care of it” attitude pisses me off. Scarver is sick. He should not have been put in that position and now he’s been subjected to horrific treatment because he’s just a throw away person to most people.
Just to comment more broadly, most people hardly spend a second thinking about the experiences of anybody behind bars and just how nightmarish and unliveable those experiences might be. And in fact to your point society often takes pleasure in the idea of somebody who committed an unforgivable crime suffering endless abuse, isolation, humiliation, and unimaginable pain.
Justice is important and many cannot be rehabilitated and don’t belong in society, but they’re still conscious human beings and cruel and unusual punishment is a concept for a reason.
Not sure who said any of that, but the guy murdered three people maybe he needs to be kept separate so he can’t keep doing it? I doubt any of the guards had any love for dahmer also
Well there already is a patron Saint of murderers, Saint Julian the Hospitaller (also the patron Saint of musicians, hunters, and innkeepers) so he's a little SOL.
From wiki:
A serial killer (also called a serial murderer) is an individual who murders three or more people,[1] with the killings taking place over a period of more than one month in three or more separate events
And my wife drew his blood once! As a phlebotomist for the State of Wisconsin. To think, my hands have touched the hands that touched the hands that killed Dahmer... :-D :-D :-D
“When asked if he believed his sentence was just, Scarver was quoted as having said "Nothing white people do to blacks is just."” Fucking based, man, free him
And how does life in bondage do anything to cure him or heal society? He’s been given a life in slavery for a crime that you yourself attribute to mental illness.
Downvote me all you like, slavers. I can hold my head up high knowing I don’t support the institutional rape and slavery of the occupied American states.
Not to get too deep into it, but there is no philosophical consensus that rehabilitation is the purpose of a criminal justice system. Most people agree that the priority is the removal of a violent person from society. Many people also believe in retributive justice, especially when the hypothetical crime is perpetrated against someone they care about.
It's always crazy to me how much more sympathy a killer gets sometimes than his victims or their families lmao
Edit: just to be clear I am talking about Steve Lohman, the innocent murder victim lol. Some of y'all are somehow thinking I'm talking about the other two inmates, one of whom is a prolific serial killer. I was not including them in my list of innocent victims. I can't believe that needs to be said.
Yeah man the justice system is awful, in a perfect world those white murderers would also get life imo.
This individual is still a pos who killed an innocent man to prove a point and doesn't deserve your sympathy
Edit: calling me a slaver and blocking me is such hilarious reddit energy lol. Nothing about what I said implies anything other than equal punishment for black and white individuals.
Now if you're trying to say that murderers don't deserve life in jail, that is a conversation I would be open to having with you if you weren't a coward lmao.
They need treatment, not a lifetime of enslavement, rape, and abuse. The US prison system is just a place where we take our most violent and depraved dregs of society and have them watch over drug addicts and the mentally ill.
He should be in prison, not because he belongs there but because it's safer for everyone. If he could be in a comfortable place without placing any extra burden on anyone else that would be fine.
It's difficult to understand what a pressure cooker prison can be if you haven't experienced it firsthand--when your entire life can be contained in a single building or a small campus, problems that would seem small to the average person become enormous.
There's someone in my state who's on death row for strangling his cellmate to death. He says he did it because his cellmate snored.
Understandable, with the tiniest /s
Yeah, don't do this, but.......... ....
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All the prison had to do was provide some ear plugs and it was probably an avoidable death. But prisons don't care at all if you die, as long as they aren't liable and held accountable.
Ear plugs don't help. My ex snored. I tried plugs. I slept in the other room instead.
why didn't this guy just try that? /s
Stop trying to rationalize an irrational situation, if not for the snoring (it was probably spur of the moment anyways) it would’ve been something else.
These were also death row inmates, they were marked to die young
Nah college was the closest I ever came to actually murdering someone and it was because they snored every night as loud as possible a few feet from me and wouldn’t bother sleeping any way other than flat so they never bothered to fix the issue. Made it impossible to sleep and I literally went insane
You can buy earplugs on commissary, if you cant afford that you can make earplugs out of paper. The snoring was an excuse or was the straw that broke the camels back.
Why are you trying to justify killing someone for snoring
What about my statement is justifying it? The part where I say it was avoidable? The part where I blame the prison system for intentionally ignoring preventative measures that are simple and low cost?
A person who has poor impulse control with violent tendencies under prolonged stress is at high risk of committing additional violent crimes. Moralizing their actions isn't a solution.
This issue occurs in every prison in the world. We can choose to make changes to help reduce the issue or ignore it at the cost of people's lives.
The prison guards intentionally set it up so that Scarver could kill those guys. Scarver didn’t get pushed to the edge, he was basically roped in by the guards to do a hit against some truly abhorrent people.
Yeah as it turns out, locking hundreds of people who are statistically already at a massive risk of mental illness or drug addiction in a large box surrounded by violent sadists in uniform, giving them zero treatment, and enslaving, brutalizing, dehumanizing, and raping them for years makes people a little prone to violence.
Just a lil prone to violence /s
You've read a lot of internet comments about prison i see
Have you done time??
Nope. I was a prison librarian for a few years.
What was the most popular book in prison?
No one book. My facility was male, so I like to joke that the books that circulated the best were "dad reads." Authors like James Patterson, Tom Clancy, books about business or religion/philosophy, historical nonfiction. Stuff like that.
Makes your comment even better Thanks
He wasn't going to have any more time added to his original sentence, so he beat two other people to death. In the process of the latter murder, he made a name for himself. SMH.
I wonder if being given a life sentence without parole at such a young age contributed to his decision. If he had been given like 35 or 45 years, maybe he wouldn't have done this. Either way, the world isn't worse off because of what he did lol
He received a life sentence with parole eligibility for the first murder, but the judge set his minimum term at 47 years.
These people don’t plan their lives out like that.
He probably thinks in one or two day intervals. 35 years or life would mean no difference to him.
My man if I'm in prison for 45 years you're probably never getting out, and if you do you are completely fucked by 45 years of prison. I've seen the effects on family that have done 10-15, and it's jarring. I couldn't imagine someone getting out after 45 years and adjusting to society, let alone thriving as a member of it
Right? They would be institutionalized in the truest sense of the word. One of my friends has a BIL who can't function outside of prison. He had been incarcerated for so much of his life that he was more comfortable inside. He's there now, and will be for a very long time.
Brooks was here
OBJECTION, Leading
I do not consent to being called that name, nor do I accept being called that name. I accept for value and return for value these documents. I would now like to call the plaintiff the state of Wisconsin to the stand.
OBJECTION, subject matter jurisdiction
its genuinely kind of impressive that every single time, without fail that the jury was coming out or leaving he would go 'so are we gonna bring up subject matter jurisdiction now' as some kinda of gotcha or something. like the amount of baffling stupidity and ineptitude would be funny if the subject matter wasn't so serious. what a foolish buffoon. enjoy your 1000 years DB, you had the best lawyer you could've gotten.
There is an episode of the First 48 called Lester Street. They found 6 people dead in a house, I think it was 4 adults and 2 children, with another child being found barely alive in the bathtub after being beaten and stabbed in the head with a butcher knife.
The detectives thought a hit was put out for the whole family, so they put the entire family in protective custody...
One of the family members committed the murders. He had just got done serving a 14 year prison sentence and he was barely in his mid-30s. He was clearly mentally screwed from being in prison for so long, and the family members had said he was never the same after.
This happened after only 14 years. I can't even imagine how messed up a person would be after 45.
You must be the expert
If I remember right, he killed Dahmer because he heard voices to do it and that he was the chosen one. So he was definitely someone who needed to stay locked.
35 years? I would rather kill a child rapist.
This was definitely about race. Most of Dahmer's victims were black. Jesse Anderson had small share of notoriety himself for trying to blame the murder of his wife on two black men.
Now this is the sauce.
Kinda sounds like the prison was just feeding racists to Mr Scarver
Yes, the guards most likely set the situation up in order to allow Scarver to kill those guys.
We used to have a joke in the Cheese State: "Thank god Wisconsin doesn't have the death penalty or else Jeffrey Dahmer would still be alive!"
The guards started crying when I said this.
Better than feeding a kid to Dahmer like the cops did.
I mean… fair
No it isn’t.
Understandable but not really fair
This is why the whole “oh, their fellow prisoners will take care of it” attitude pisses me off. Scarver is sick. He should not have been put in that position and now he’s been subjected to horrific treatment because he’s just a throw away person to most people.
What was the horrific treatment this guy (who killed 3 people) is receiving?
Scarver claims abuse by guards and administrators, on top of sixteen years of solitary confinement.
But it doesn’t matter. He’s just a throw away person and now that he’s satisfied our base desire for vengeance we can just forget about him.
Just to comment more broadly, most people hardly spend a second thinking about the experiences of anybody behind bars and just how nightmarish and unliveable those experiences might be. And in fact to your point society often takes pleasure in the idea of somebody who committed an unforgivable crime suffering endless abuse, isolation, humiliation, and unimaginable pain.
Justice is important and many cannot be rehabilitated and don’t belong in society, but they’re still conscious human beings and cruel and unusual punishment is a concept for a reason.
No, he became a throw away person when he decided to throw away another person on his own, was tried and convicted for it by a jury of his peers
Not sure who said any of that, but the guy murdered three people maybe he needs to be kept separate so he can’t keep doing it? I doubt any of the guards had any love for dahmer also
Pretty cool he got Dahmer, that'd get him props for life inside.
I was at the airport when the news announced dahmer’s death. People cheered.
1994.
that's probably why they sent him to a different prison and kept him in solitary for years
"God told me to do it. Jesse Anderson and Jeffrey Dahmer are dead." Someone should canonize this dude when he dies.
To the serial killer hall of fame?
To the status of saint.
He doesn't qualify for a serial killer anyway.
Well there already is a patron Saint of murderers, Saint Julian the Hospitaller (also the patron Saint of musicians, hunters, and innkeepers) so he's a little SOL.
Yeah he does actually. He murdered three people in separate events.
From wiki: A serial killer (also called a serial murderer) is an individual who murders three or more people,[1] with the killings taking place over a period of more than one month in three or more separate events
Is this supposed to disprove anything?
He killed the last two at the same time. Not separate events.
He murdered another person in a separate event.
“in three or more separate events”
Is this supposed to mean something to me?
And my wife drew his blood once! As a phlebotomist for the State of Wisconsin. To think, my hands have touched the hands that touched the hands that killed Dahmer... :-D :-D :-D
And to also think... I assume you are one degree of hand separation from having touched your junk on Dahmer....
“When asked if he believed his sentence was just, Scarver was quoted as having said "Nothing white people do to blacks is just."” Fucking based, man, free him
Freed on grounds of sick ass quote
But for real, Scarver’s original crime was pretty heinous. He was a dangerous man suffering from some pretty bad mental illness
And how does life in bondage do anything to cure him or heal society? He’s been given a life in slavery for a crime that you yourself attribute to mental illness.
Downvote me all you like, slavers. I can hold my head up high knowing I don’t support the institutional rape and slavery of the occupied American states.
Not to get too deep into it, but there is no philosophical consensus that rehabilitation is the purpose of a criminal justice system. Most people agree that the priority is the removal of a violent person from society. Many people also believe in retributive justice, especially when the hypothetical crime is perpetrated against someone they care about.
Retributive justice is an oxymoron, and anyone who thinks otherwise should be punished
Yeah mass slavery for life is clearly better for society.
Than what?
It's always crazy to me how much more sympathy a killer gets sometimes than his victims or their families lmao
Edit: just to be clear I am talking about Steve Lohman, the innocent murder victim lol. Some of y'all are somehow thinking I'm talking about the other two inmates, one of whom is a prolific serial killer. I was not including them in my list of innocent victims. I can't believe that needs to be said.
Jeffery Dahmer's victims barely get any sympathy as is and the netflix show made people thirsting over him mainstream. He doesn't need more sympathy.
I wasn't talking about Jeffery fucking Dalmer lmao
On god I’m supposed to feel bad for 66% of this guys victims? Two racist murderers, one of them a cannibal?
No moron, for the original guy he shot and murdered during a robbery.
White people get 30-40 year sentences for murder all the time. He got life in slavery because of his race.
Yeah man the justice system is awful, in a perfect world those white murderers would also get life imo.
This individual is still a pos who killed an innocent man to prove a point and doesn't deserve your sympathy
Edit: calling me a slaver and blocking me is such hilarious reddit energy lol. Nothing about what I said implies anything other than equal punishment for black and white individuals.
Now if you're trying to say that murderers don't deserve life in jail, that is a conversation I would be open to having with you if you weren't a coward lmao.
What a huge fucking waste of time that self righteous tool was
I don't want mentally ill killers getting out. Most people are on that boat
They need treatment, not a lifetime of enslavement, rape, and abuse. The US prison system is just a place where we take our most violent and depraved dregs of society and have them watch over drug addicts and the mentally ill.
Treatment isn’t gonna fix that dudes problem, only death will
So you must be a big supporter of the death penalty.
You must be a big supporter of asking stupid fucking questions
Well people argue against offing him and think it’s more merciful to jail for life, so that’s what happens
Rehabilitation isn't the point
Eh, he was in jail in the first place because he shot someone on the head for money. Was that conviction in error?
Life sentences are not an effective deterrent to crime and are disproportionately given to black Americans.
Scarver was convicted of first degree intentional homicide, which carries a mandatory life sentence in Wisconsin.
Probably because they deserve them
Dude murdered three people, he’s right where he belongs.
Nobody belongs in prison.
Sure thing, you can put this guy up in your house. Good idea.
He should be in prison, not because he belongs there but because it's safer for everyone. If he could be in a comfortable place without placing any extra burden on anyone else that would be fine.
What a useless comment.
Why are you still here, slaver. I thought I blocked you.
Dude calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a slaver is really not helping whatever point you seem to think you're making.
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I meannnnn
He killed a serial killer saving the government money
I have a copy of his poetry book.
I mean. Props to him for the latter two.