I'm apparently not as bold a person as I thought because I would never in my fucking life so much as speed in Saudi Arabia much less steal millions from the royal family.
I read a memoir called “Daring to Drive” by a Saudi woman who was an activist for women’s right to drive in Saudi Arabia (which they now have). She made a video of herself driving all alone in the desert and posted it on social media and they came for her and threw her in a horrible prison. Just for that. She wound up having to leave the country eventually. And her activism seemed very low key to me.
This was an interesting period when the gov was sort of allowing public discourse to happen on this issue because they wanted to allow it but didn’t have the courage against the religious institutions. Technically there were no laws banning women driving but the religious police had broad powers to do whatever they wanted. iirc she got detained then released in a week. I’m not defending it ofc, just giving context.
I think 2011-2016 was the period with the relatively most freedom of speech in Saudi Arabia. Arab Spring and the explosion of Twitter played a big role.
The treatment of the activists in the 90s, and then after 2016 (see: Lujain Alhathlool), was so ugly and horrible.
Stolen at a Saudi palace in Saudi Arabia - “In 1989, Kriangkrai Techamong, a Thai worker, stole 91 kg (200 pounds)[2]: 183 of jewellery and other valuable gems from the palace of Prince Faisal bin Fahd”
Thai people stopped getting work permits in Saudi Arabia, and Saudis were banned by their gov from going to Thailand for 30 years. This had an impact on labor and the economy, actually benefitting filipinos who filled a lot of service jobs.
The part about relations souring is a direct quote from the Wikipedia entry. Which also says:
Saudi Arabia stopped issuing work visas for Thais and discouraged its own citizens from visiting Bangkok
…
The number of Thais working in Saudi Arabia fell from 150,000-200,000 in 1989 to just 10,000 in 2008. The cost to Thailand was about 200 billion baht (USD $5.6 billion) in remittances
That does sound like a lot of people were severely affected. But if you think the title was made up, report it.
What are you talking about lol? I don't need a court of random people to resolve my arguments about simple things with random people. If you do not feel agency to discuss the topic, move on.
Diplomats were recalled and lot of other Saudis working in Thailand had to return, and Saudis were mostly barred from going to Thailand. They’re both big countries so I would imagine this affected a fair number of Saudis who had jobs or even family in Thailand.
It’s not like the title says a thousand Saudis died or something.
Did you even read the article ? Number of Saudi diplomats and business people were murdered. Also Thai jewelers were murdered as well. Clearly all of it was allegedly orchestrated by government officials high up in the political hierarchy in the Thai government.
I’d watch this series.
- Thai housekeeper stealing 90kg worth of jewelry in a vacuum cleaner.
- Thai police sending back fake diamonds
- several Saudi officials go missing / murdered in Thailand looking for the jewelry
- Thai politicians’ wives dancing with new diamonds
- thief becomes a monk
Wow, this is absolutely heinous. Not sure I'd bother restoring relations with the Thai government after this. Murdering Saudi officials? That's an act of war.
They helped the murderer of my friends sister escape justice and smuggled him out of the country instead of having him face justice much less any talk of extradition. That's one local thing, their government and others among them who help this happen. And that's from thousands of miles away from their country. There are countless stories of atrocious acts that I'm sure are infinitely worse inside their country if that's how some act outside of it with the feeling of impunity. There's the Khashoggi thing as well, so it's not uncommon obviously.
Edit: I think my comment is getting removed because it has a link in it (to the BBC news story, and then another LAtimes article that quotes from the FBI "FBI: Saudi Arabia ‘almost certainly’ helps citizens charged with crimes flee the U.S." showing this being a pattern and not just a one off.
Abdulrahman Sameer Noorah murdered Fallon Smart and cowardly fled justice.
Yeah, unless you can prove that ever happen I can't give your story any credit. Maybe the Khasoggi thing was real, but you need to give some source of you want me to believe your anecdote.
I'll help you start your research, but really doing any searching on the subject brings up plenty on all the search engines I've checked so if you can't find any I think it's due to not wanting to/trying to learn about it. This case is the one that has personally affected people that are in my life, I am sure there are more with the system in place there and the people who head/hold down those systems.
I think my comments getting caught by the automod for having links, if you're actually curious and not just making bad faith arguments you can check my edit for the name/case.
I'm apparently not as bold a person as I thought because I would never in my fucking life so much as speed in Saudi Arabia much less steal millions from the royal family.
I read a memoir called “Daring to Drive” by a Saudi woman who was an activist for women’s right to drive in Saudi Arabia (which they now have). She made a video of herself driving all alone in the desert and posted it on social media and they came for her and threw her in a horrible prison. Just for that. She wound up having to leave the country eventually. And her activism seemed very low key to me.
This was an interesting period when the gov was sort of allowing public discourse to happen on this issue because they wanted to allow it but didn’t have the courage against the religious institutions. Technically there were no laws banning women driving but the religious police had broad powers to do whatever they wanted. iirc she got detained then released in a week. I’m not defending it ofc, just giving context.
I think 2011-2016 was the period with the relatively most freedom of speech in Saudi Arabia. Arab Spring and the explosion of Twitter played a big role.
The treatment of the activists in the 90s, and then after 2016 (see: Lujain Alhathlool), was so ugly and horrible.
But if you’re going to speed, might as well steal millions in jewelry. Speeding might even help with that.
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Stolen at a Saudi palace in Saudi Arabia - “In 1989, Kriangkrai Techamong, a Thai worker, stole 91 kg (200 pounds)[2]: 183 of jewellery and other valuable gems from the palace of Prince Faisal bin Fahd”
Whose life was affected in Saudi Arabia?
Thai people stopped getting work permits in Saudi Arabia, and Saudis were banned by their gov from going to Thailand for 30 years. This had an impact on labor and the economy, actually benefitting filipinos who filled a lot of service jobs.
Thai slaves who got worse treatment after the affair.
Actually, the Saudi government expelled all (or most) Thai workers.
Yeah, I guess that's what OP meant when making that sensationalized title up.
The part about relations souring is a direct quote from the Wikipedia entry. Which also says:
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That does sound like a lot of people were severely affected. But if you think the title was made up, report it.
Who was affected in Saudi Arabia? Thai people?
Saudi diplomats and their staff were affected.
So, five hundred thousand Thai workers and 15 Saudi diplomats, those are two groups of "many people".
Take the L bro.
If you think the title editorializes, report it as being in violation of the rules of this sub. I don’t think it does but why not let the mods decide?
What are you talking about lol? I don't need a court of random people to resolve my arguments about simple things with random people. If you do not feel agency to discuss the topic, move on.
If the post title is made up and sensationalized as you say, the post violates the sub rules and shouldn’t be here.
How is it sensationalised? Seems absolutely fair to me.
The title implies that the lives of many Saudi people were severely affected. Which is not true.
Diplomats were recalled and lot of other Saudis working in Thailand had to return, and Saudis were mostly barred from going to Thailand. They’re both big countries so I would imagine this affected a fair number of Saudis who had jobs or even family in Thailand.
It’s not like the title says a thousand Saudis died or something.
Did you even read the article ? Number of Saudi diplomats and business people were murdered. Also Thai jewelers were murdered as well. Clearly all of it was allegedly orchestrated by government officials high up in the political hierarchy in the Thai government.
They 3-4 Saudi diplomats who were allegedly murdered over the whole thing?
They were murdered as part of those things not geopolitical impacts.
You asked whose life was affected in Saudi, not what were the geopolitical impacts?
I was addressing this
From the OP title. Context.
Gotcha, understood.
A few Saudis were presumably murdered.
I’d watch this series. - Thai housekeeper stealing 90kg worth of jewelry in a vacuum cleaner. - Thai police sending back fake diamonds - several Saudi officials go missing / murdered in Thailand looking for the jewelry - Thai politicians’ wives dancing with new diamonds - thief becomes a monk
How bad was Saudi security that a thief could steal 90 kg of jewelry undetected?
He was a servant, and hid it in a vacuum bag before sending it home. Did you read the article?
They just left jewelry lying around where servants could access it without a problem? This was absolutely awful work by Saudi security.
Don't need to be smart to be rich
Or to work for the Saudi diplomatic service apparently.
No security system is a match for a stupid employee.
imagine being such a good thief that you cause an international incident
Wow, this is absolutely heinous. Not sure I'd bother restoring relations with the Thai government after this. Murdering Saudi officials? That's an act of war.
Good, that country is a hellscape that deserves to fall for all the undermining they do to us.
What have the Saudis even done to you?
They helped the murderer of my friends sister escape justice and smuggled him out of the country instead of having him face justice much less any talk of extradition. That's one local thing, their government and others among them who help this happen. And that's from thousands of miles away from their country. There are countless stories of atrocious acts that I'm sure are infinitely worse inside their country if that's how some act outside of it with the feeling of impunity. There's the Khashoggi thing as well, so it's not uncommon obviously.
Edit: I think my comment is getting removed because it has a link in it (to the BBC news story, and then another LAtimes article that quotes from the FBI "FBI: Saudi Arabia ‘almost certainly’ helps citizens charged with crimes flee the U.S." showing this being a pattern and not just a one off.
Abdulrahman Sameer Noorah murdered Fallon Smart and cowardly fled justice.
Yeah, unless you can prove that ever happen I can't give your story any credit. Maybe the Khasoggi thing was real, but you need to give some source of you want me to believe your anecdote.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46676200.amp
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-19/saudi-arabia-citizens-crimes-flee-us
I'll help you start your research, but really doing any searching on the subject brings up plenty on all the search engines I've checked so if you can't find any I think it's due to not wanting to/trying to learn about it. This case is the one that has personally affected people that are in my life, I am sure there are more with the system in place there and the people who head/hold down those systems.
I think my comments getting caught by the automod for having links, if you're actually curious and not just making bad faith arguments you can check my edit for the name/case.
I hope that’s /s ?
Fuck off bot