Timestop in real life WILL destroy the entire universe. Because when something will mass goes over the speed of light they must have infinite energy and therefore infinite mass and it will just destroy everything
I personally do think that timestop isn’t time actually freezing, but everything in the universe but DIO being frozen in place, with few exceptions- for one, we know things can move, and while most movements are caused by DIO interacting with them, one movement was caused by a magnet, which shows two things:
Magnetic fields are not frozen during timestop, at least not those that DIO himself physically affects
Light is not frozen during timestop because DIO perceives Jotaro’s hand moving.
From this, I have to assume that the motion of all mass in the universe ceases; this is also why the timestop only functions for a limited time, because if Δt=0, then not only does DIO have infinite mass, velocity, acceleration, but also there’s no “depleting” resource, whereas if he’s stopping the motion of all mass in the universe, it allows for him to move without breaking the universe and it allows for the continuation of some fundamental fields, and makes sense that the World can only pause time for 2-11 seconds (depending on user’s experience doing so).
This is my solution that permits the best balance between explanation, suspension of disbelief, and that “it’s a story” conceit. That said, I’m sure that anyone who’s studied physics to any extent past high school would be able to poke holes in my explanation.
Characters moving outside of time IS one of the biggest things that people get crazy over in Powerscaling. Sometimes its supposed to have an impact, and ''wtf how are you moving outside of time itself?'', but 90% of the time is a designated power. Hell, some stories have layers of time stop that certain characters can or cannot go through
Things that come in contact with him are briefly unfrozen, we see this when he throws some knives just for them to freeze and with dust that's kicked up when he lands and goes still in the air. Pretty sure whatever he punched with his own hands moved a bit too.
His stand is intangible to begin with so it doesn't really have the same property
That's also why he got tricked by Jotaro's magnet trick. He was just following the logic of, "things I touch can be moved in stopped time so of course this magnet Jotaro put on me would thus be able to effect the magnet he had on himself because of my influence and his pathetic trick to make me think he also could move in the world of stopped time failed",
Because in reality he’s not stopping time, he’s freezing everything in place for a finite amount of time. Time is clearly still passing since he can count how long timestop is
Because it's fiction lol. This may sound like a cop out answer but it's generally because authors don't care too much about physics as long as it makes sense enough.
The movement occurs normally, at clearly finite speeds, but in an "extra" time window which is forcibly created in a limited area. Meaning if we disregard this time window then we have to disregard the distance/movement within it too and cannot apply the formula. Letting us equate it to teleportation at 0 speed
JoJo has some pretty good balancing though. Some stands are outright stated to be FTL by the author, but stands have limited range from their user, so they can’t really speedblitz anyone like that. The users are also completely normal humans (except DIO) so anyone can technically beat anyone if they play their cards right.
Yeah fr, and all of the ones with crazy stats generally have really short ranges. If you just shoot a big ass fire attack at Jotaro odds are good he dies, doesn't matter if SP can take if it just envelops and also hits Jotaro.
To a degree, but a character like, say, Gojo, could still speed diff him despite SP being much faster, because if Jotaro tries to go at the speeds SP can move, the G forces will explode his body. He's one of the most maneuverable stand users, but his body still can't handle accelerating to hypersonic speeds and then slowing back down instantly, he's still gotta go at speeds his body can handle.
Stand size can be change, but it does drain them over time. He can make his stand *slightly larger (it seems like its larger to begin with) than him, the stand can protect him from the forces. Besides, tho not the strongest, these are the people who have all thier organs punchured or bone shattered and yet still move like its tuesday.
Have you not watched Jojo? This is a terrible example. You should know by now that fire does jack shit against Joestars. Pretty much every one of these motherfuckers have intentionally lit themselves on fire at some point. That would just piss Jotaro off and make him stronger.
Yeah, but what if Jotaro ragebaited his opponent? Powerscalers always assume their opponent is immune to ragebait. Vegeta has demonstrated weakness to ragebait.
Im pretty sure that the ghost gun counts as living thing(its from a stand, which were stated to count as living to mih), as it was able to be dodged by pucci.
Is the name of ghost gun and how ghost objects are explained to be created like that of the ghost room,the ghost alley in part 4, and Kira's dead man guestions hotel. No, it is not infact alive.
The only Stand that’s FTL is Hanged Man IMO. The common FTL arguments for other Stands are Silver Chariot/Star Platinum scaling to FTL, and others scaling to them, but if that were true MIH’s “moves at the speed of a bullet train” ass would have been instantly annihilated the moment it came close to Star Platinum.
Star platinum is stated to be FTL in a stand stats segment, Araki does not like stand stat segments, people pay way too much heed to shit forced in by the publisher. When he stops time, photons also stop, and he walks faster than them, simple as.
The words in the actual story put a speed to crazy diamond, if you believe authors statements over the actual story: Crazy Diamond is punching at roughly 83 metres per second, FTL Star Platinum is punching at minimum 299,792,458 metres per second, napkin maths calculate FTL Star as being 3611957x faster than Crazy, this is stupid and is obviously not true.
I love how the only argument is “Josuke’s dumb ass couldn’t even reliably ballpark his speed”
That poorly sketched Star Platinum is the bane of my existence, its wording has always been sketchy allowing one to interpret FTL being a result of timestop or even just an expression especially as it being literal has no bearing on the story.
Well, there is ONE stand that can speedblitz at the literal speed of God, but they are the only one of their kind and it works out oddly balanced since their durability and AP are average at best, you'll just NEVER be able to touch them.
Any true Jojo fan knows stand stats are complete bullshit and you can safely disregard pretty much all of them. Star Platinum is not FTL and I will die on that hill. (same goes for like 99% of stands and Jojo characters)
The users are also completely normal humans (except DIO)
and Joseph, and Vanilla Ice, and Forever. and Iggy. and Petshop. and Bug Eaten. and Not Bug Eaten, and Mikitaka, and Tama, and Coco Jumbo, and Polnareff, and FF, and Sports Maxx, and the Green Baby, and Gyro, and The Great Tree of Sugar Mountain, and Josuke8, and all of the rock humans, and shakedown road, and that one unnamed trio of cats in part 9.
If you catch them off guard, yeah. But otherwise, the ones with fast close-range stands could just catch or deflect it, Josuke managed that at point blank range, Jotaro managed that at even point-blanker range.
the stands are faster than light and the rats stand is massively faster than light, what beats a rat? a cat, stray cat! And who kills stray cat? Shinobu Kawajiri! She solos the verse fr fr
I'ma be real if I don't see the visual effects of moving at or near light speed, I don't believe that that shit was light speed with very very few exceptions.
Yeah basically, authors are stupid sometimes and write shit they don't understand, I remember one 40k book where they describe macro cannons as XYZ levels of joules, but actually the joules stated were about the same as a hefty punch. Now, do we assume the ships are throwing out slaps instead of shells, or the author got it wrong?? Hmmmm, tricky one
Talking to someone that has no clue on what author intend means is so annoying. They can see this and just write up a storm about how actually that projectiles is slow as hell because.... the actor can be seen breathing.
In a low budget movie.
Where the actor has to interact with another live actor so cgi or editing isn't possible.
That is more than just breathing, he moved his whole head on the time the attack was flying to him, not something editing would have leave on unless they sre really bad at it.
I heard people were glazing Jojo to Outerversal because "Wonder Of U is the concept of calamity" even though I don't think that automatically makes someone Outerversal
Several STANDS are FTL and can be very powerful, but almost none of the USERS scale to said stands. The majority of those same stands tend to have shorter range as well, becoming weaker the further away from the user they are.
Dio is basically the only Stand user that can physically compete with his own stand and he was already a superhuman before obtaining it
They do in the sense that in order to fight with their stands at the speed at which they do, they have to be able to perceive at that speed because otherwise how else could they use the stands effectively, but like oc yeah Josuke isnt as physically strong or fast as crazy diamond
Being able to see something doesn't mean you can move in time to avoid it. That's generally how Mista, Ratt, and Hol Horse sniped their victims. Jotaro's been caught by projectiles far slower than light several times because of this
I mean yeah that's what I meant, they can perceive the speed of their stands but that doesn't mean they have the same stats as them. When I say "Jotaro is FTL" I'm definitely not talking about the man himself lol
Granted star platinum broke the sound barrier with its punches during its first fight, but "subsonic bizarre adveture" sounds funnier than "supersonic bizarre adventure"
FTL Jojo is up there with lore circlejerk Doomguy with my most hated powerscaling out there. Like, it's so obviously false just from actually reading the source material that you'd have to be speedreading faster than light to get it so wrong.
Ultimate Kars by the in-setting logic should be one of if not THE most powerful character, had to put up some effort to pursue and engage a WWII-era plane. Hell, even Pucci with MiH could still be just barely seen by characters with no time or speed-related abilities. I love JJBA but it is not FTL LMAO.
JJBA is a terrible but also one of the most fun series to powerscale at the same time. Because like none of them are just based on being rly strong. Most of them have alot of weird and wacky powers that have so many unique usages to them, and different ways to use said power. And the Anime alone pertectly shows how JJBA focuses on HOW you use your powers, not what it does.
Like a stand thats just a fucking Overhead power line called Superfly. Would completely destroy a big chunk of powerscaled people because of how it works.
It doesn't even reach hypersonic, we know roughly how fast crazy diamond is and star plat didn't absurdly outmatch it in speed, even if it was 4 times as fast its not hypersonic, hypersonic is fast as fuck, people out here saying JJBA and demon slayer characters goin faster than a SR-71 at full tilt
There's at least two relativistic to SoL stands - Hanged Man and RHCP. MiH can also be considered that fast - but his abilities are more of a hax than speed, IMO. Anyway - those stands have specific condition that allow them to move that fast, and characters specifically use clever plans to deal with them instead of using "FTL calcs" powerscalers describe (they are just stupid trust fr fr).
MiH didnt even get to FTL until the peak of time acceleration either. For the entire actual fight it was essentially moving at the speed of a bullet train and it outsped everyone there.
I don’t even know what your point there is bruh. He never utilises deceleration ever other than the chart which basically just explains why the new universe is normal at first.
Pucci didn’t knock them out immediately upon unlocking MiH. His speed is tied to the universe, there’d be an obvious sign if he had jumped to MFTL+ or something then right back down to sub bullet train speeds.
Claiming Pucci can jump around randomly in speed is not textually supported. We get a play by play of the sun getting faster and are even explicitly told that they have a deadline to beat Pucci before he becomes too fast.
No but guys Polnareff beat the stand whose entire power is moving at lightspeed (by using some weird esoteric strat because the guy was too fast for him to hit normally) so that means he's FTL
Hitting at guy that's moving at lightspeed while they're moving makes them lightspeed yeah. He did use a strat to know where Hanged Man was but he was still reacting to Hanged Man. Like if im shot with a bullet, even if I know its coming I have to be bulletspeed to catch it after its shot.
If he could move at and perceive lightspeed, why did he even go through all that trouble instead of just hitting the guy??
If you know the bullet is coming, and you get to control when the gun is fired, you do not need to move at bulletspeed to put a sword in front of the barrel
Part of the issue in the Hanged Man fight was that they were surrounded by a bunch of people and he was going between each of their eyes, and they didnt want to hurt anybody. The solution of getting him in the coin in the air wasn't rly because he was too fast exactly, but to get him in an easy spot to attack the stand. Plus its literally shown Polnareff brings out Silver Chariot in the middle of Hanged Man moving so it's not just preaim.
I don’t know how speed is measured in powerscaling because I genuinely don’t understand the rules of it but I’m pretty sure SOME stands are capable of destroying more than one building at a time.
But the only example I can think of is POTENTIALLY weather report so.. uhhhh
I don’t know how speed is measured in powerscaling
Simple, really, here's a simple step-by-step algorithm:
Find a guy who dodged shiny projectile. This guy is FTL. If you cant find this guy - find a guy who was hit by said shiny projectile, but "reacted" to it (no one cares that "reacted" means, just use your imagination).
Now find a guy who beat this guy. This guy is FTL+
Now find a guy who beat the guy above. This guy is MFTL.
Continue until you reach your favourite character. They would probably be at least MFTL+ at this point, but maybe they're in Immesurable Speed tier, if you're lucky enough.
It definitely goes above building level (Case in point: one stand was a freakin' giant ship. It could definitely demolish an entire street if summoned there), but not a single stand extends to island level, and in terms of speed you're spot on.
People say star platinum is lightspeed+ because he could react to The Sun's rays, but it is way more plausible to say that the suns attacks arent actually lightbeams (as in they dont go at the speed of light)
He’s ftl in the same way an alcubierre drive is considered ftl. As in, neither go faster than light but technically bend some other property to get the same result. Dio stops time, alcubierre drive bends space to make distances shorter.
Jojo stands don’t need to be FTL to be reality warpers. Generally, speed and strength stands are considered not only rare, but also not that useful. Anubis was considered strange to be a “direct attack stand”.
Silver Chariot had feats reacting to the speed of light without much trouble even before setting foot in Egypt. And he got much stronger after facing Vanilla Ice.
If Silver Chariot reacted to the speed of light, Dio would react to it easily.
A few of the stands are faster than light but gets limited by range and one annoying thing I see is that people scale a bunch of the human jojo characters using what Jonathan who used hamon and Dio who is a vampire did.
Maybe not DIO himself (Though I personally have no problems with that stance), but it's fairly obvious his stand is (Unless you lack basic reading comprehension, of course):
True. Dio has a reaction and combat speed FTL, as proven when he outsped Star Platinums punches without his Stan. But speed wise? Not quite. Maybe hypersonic.
Of course he isn't FTL, speed is distance/time so in timestop he has infinite speed
If Dio moved say 5m in time stop, that would mean his speed would be 5/0. How does the universe not explode?
Timestop in real life WILL destroy the entire universe. Because when something will mass goes over the speed of light they must have infinite energy and therefore infinite mass and it will just destroy everything
Infinite mass? Like your mom?
go beyond
Heaven's Door, remove his ability to cum.
Your wildest dreams
Plus ultra
Well that’s just unnecessary
Unless for the duration of timestop the person doing the time stopping becomes massless because magic
I personally do think that timestop isn’t time actually freezing, but everything in the universe but DIO being frozen in place, with few exceptions- for one, we know things can move, and while most movements are caused by DIO interacting with them, one movement was caused by a magnet, which shows two things:
Magnetic fields are not frozen during timestop, at least not those that DIO himself physically affects
Light is not frozen during timestop because DIO perceives Jotaro’s hand moving.
From this, I have to assume that the motion of all mass in the universe ceases; this is also why the timestop only functions for a limited time, because if Δt=0, then not only does DIO have infinite mass, velocity, acceleration, but also there’s no “depleting” resource, whereas if he’s stopping the motion of all mass in the universe, it allows for him to move without breaking the universe and it allows for the continuation of some fundamental fields, and makes sense that the World can only pause time for 2-11 seconds (depending on user’s experience doing so).
This is my solution that permits the best balance between explanation, suspension of disbelief, and that “it’s a story” conceit. That said, I’m sure that anyone who’s studied physics to any extent past high school would be able to poke holes in my explanation.
Characters moving outside of time IS one of the biggest things that people get crazy over in Powerscaling. Sometimes its supposed to have an impact, and ''wtf how are you moving outside of time itself?'', but 90% of the time is a designated power. Hell, some stories have layers of time stop that certain characters can or cannot go through
Things that come in contact with him are briefly unfrozen, we see this when he throws some knives just for them to freeze and with dust that's kicked up when he lands and goes still in the air. Pretty sure whatever he punched with his own hands moved a bit too.
His stand is intangible to begin with so it doesn't really have the same property
That's also why he got tricked by Jotaro's magnet trick. He was just following the logic of, "things I touch can be moved in stopped time so of course this magnet Jotaro put on me would thus be able to effect the magnet he had on himself because of my influence and his pathetic trick to make me think he also could move in the world of stopped time failed",
it does explode but crazy diamond fixes it
Because it’s a different number system where x/0 is defined.
Because in reality he’s not stopping time, he’s freezing everything in place for a finite amount of time. Time is clearly still passing since he can count how long timestop is
Because it's fiction lol. This may sound like a cop out answer but it's generally because authors don't care too much about physics as long as it makes sense enough.
The movement occurs normally, at clearly finite speeds, but in an "extra" time window which is forcibly created in a limited area. Meaning if we disregard this time window then we have to disregard the distance/movement within it too and cannot apply the formula. Letting us equate it to teleportation at 0 speed
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JoJo has some pretty good balancing though. Some stands are outright stated to be FTL by the author, but stands have limited range from their user, so they can’t really speedblitz anyone like that. The users are also completely normal humans (except DIO) so anyone can technically beat anyone if they play their cards right.
I wish more people realized this. The range limit on stands is always a problem in jojo’s yet people disregard it when it comes to crossverse battles.
Yeah fr, and all of the ones with crazy stats generally have really short ranges. If you just shoot a big ass fire attack at Jotaro odds are good he dies, doesn't matter if SP can take if it just envelops and also hits Jotaro.
Jotaro is a bad example to an extent. He is very manuverable in his dio fight by manifesting either star platinums legs or arms to punch something in which propel him. https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9d0Iq6B2zLq0PHCZGEaL3TA4EfvOyRgC?si=C5DZ4LgDcD0QarXZ
To a degree, but a character like, say, Gojo, could still speed diff him despite SP being much faster, because if Jotaro tries to go at the speeds SP can move, the G forces will explode his body. He's one of the most maneuverable stand users, but his body still can't handle accelerating to hypersonic speeds and then slowing back down instantly, he's still gotta go at speeds his body can handle.
Gojo is a Star Finger victim
Why is Gojo letting Jotaro Star Finger him? Doesn't he know Jotaro is 17? Is Gojo a pedophile?
Stand size can be change, but it does drain them over time. He can make his stand *slightly larger (it seems like its larger to begin with) than him, the stand can protect him from the forces. Besides, tho not the strongest, these are the people who have all thier organs punchured or bone shattered and yet still move like its tuesday.
I hate to say but that ain't how g forces work, it's purely tied to speed, moving that fast just does that to you.
With protections humans can survive, he have manned SR77 and have reach space.
And stands users are stand users, humans but has superhuman feats. So you cant really say for sure.
why is he slowly gliding about? doesn't he know his stand is FTL
The stand is FTL, Jotaro is not a stand.
I dont care if Usain Bolt is the fastest man alive, he aint winnin the Olympics if hes 3 meter chained with you.
This is Ironically one of the few intances where the show made "combat speed" actually true.
The only exceptions would be Made in Heaven, that can actually carry Pucci with him.
Because if Star Platinum tried to move Jotaros normal human body at speeds like that the g forces would explode Jotaro. He's just a guy
Jotaro would just use Star Platinum to burrow underground and avoid the fire like he did against ZZ's Wheel of Fortune.
Have you not watched Jojo? This is a terrible example. You should know by now that fire does jack shit against Joestars. Pretty much every one of these motherfuckers have intentionally lit themselves on fire at some point. That would just piss Jotaro off and make him stronger.
Okay fair. If you shoot a giant condensed ball of rats,
Jogo upscale?
Stand jump go brrrr
Well most people are using stands that don't give a fuck about how far away you are like WOU in vs battles.
Yeah, but what if Jotaro ragebaited his opponent? Powerscalers always assume their opponent is immune to ragebait. Vegeta has demonstrated weakness to ragebait.
Speedblitz in jojo would be pucci with caviates
Even then, if you shoot at Pucci with a gun, the bullets will move as fast as he does. This happened with Emporio
Im pretty sure that the ghost gun counts as living thing(its from a stand, which were stated to count as living to mih), as it was able to be dodged by pucci.
Is the name of ghost gun and how ghost objects are explained to be created like that of the ghost room,the ghost alley in part 4, and Kira's dead man guestions hotel. No, it is not infact alive.
Yeah the only really like somewhat approaching broken Status is GER but even then its full power isn’t really explained
The only Stand that’s FTL is Hanged Man IMO. The common FTL arguments for other Stands are Silver Chariot/Star Platinum scaling to FTL, and others scaling to them, but if that were true MIH’s “moves at the speed of a bullet train” ass would have been instantly annihilated the moment it came close to Star Platinum.
Hanged man would just be SOL since it's light.
And RHCP in an ideal conductor could also get to that speed, but good luck getting one.
Notorious BIG could get to that speed, but he needs to chase something that was already that fast.
MIH is ftl, but only for like half a second and after the universe ends.
Star platinum is stated to be FTL in a stand stats segment, Araki does not like stand stat segments, people pay way too much heed to shit forced in by the publisher. When he stops time, photons also stop, and he walks faster than them, simple as.
Also "authors statement" don't mean shit, Roland Barthes killed all authors in 1967, they're fucking dead, all of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author
The words in the actual story put a speed to crazy diamond, if you believe authors statements over the actual story: Crazy Diamond is punching at roughly 83 metres per second, FTL Star Platinum is punching at minimum 299,792,458 metres per second, napkin maths calculate FTL Star as being 3611957x faster than Crazy, this is stupid and is obviously not true.
Why would Roland Barthes kill all authors? Is he evil?
He's French that goes without saying
Awww Roland killed Authors? Is that Outerveral feat!?!?
What did the authors do to deserve that from Roland??
Source?
He is ftl though sheer speed https://imgur.com/a/SwoO740
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/6eDlWQo2GI
I love how the only argument is “Josuke’s dumb ass couldn’t even reliably ballpark his speed”
That poorly sketched Star Platinum is the bane of my existence, its wording has always been sketchy allowing one to interpret FTL being a result of timestop or even just an expression especially as it being literal has no bearing on the story.
I love how the direct statements from characters is just them lying but the databooks are super real hardkore kanon.
Well, there is ONE stand that can speedblitz at the literal speed of God, but they are the only one of their kind and it works out oddly balanced since their durability and AP are average at best, you'll just NEVER be able to touch them.
Any true Jojo fan knows stand stats are complete bullshit and you can safely disregard pretty much all of them. Star Platinum is not FTL and I will die on that hill. (same goes for like 99% of stands and Jojo characters)
Some guy capable of running 15 metres per second solos the verse by running laps around the users just out of their stands’ range
and Joseph, and Vanilla Ice, and Forever. and Iggy. and Petshop. and Bug Eaten. and Not Bug Eaten, and Mikitaka, and Tama, and Coco Jumbo, and Polnareff, and FF, and Sports Maxx, and the Green Baby, and Gyro, and The Great Tree of Sugar Mountain, and Josuke8, and all of the rock humans, and shakedown road, and that one unnamed trio of cats in part 9.
and probably a few others I'm forgetting.
Wait so I could just gun down a stand user (except Dio, he’s immune) and they’d die, no catch.
If you catch them off guard, yeah. But otherwise, the ones with fast close-range stands could just catch or deflect it, Josuke managed that at point blank range, Jotaro managed that at even point-blanker range.
Unless I see your character run 7.6 laps around the planet in a second they arent ftl.
They should be jumping to the moon in about 1.3 seconds or they a fraud
Gotta be honest, I don't think that even writers pass this test
Because almost no writer is going to write this shit without it being weird for the story
The stands are faster than light the character isnt. The stands have a range limit and the humans have durability issues
the stands are faster than light and the rats stand is massively faster than light, what beats a rat? a cat, stray cat! And who kills stray cat? Shinobu Kawajiri! She solos the verse fr fr
Damn you're right. Honestly ratt fires bullets around light to ftl and star platinum just can't see them.
I'm going to be honest the vast majority of characters people hype and glaze aren't as strong as people make them out to be lmfao.
Except of course the characters I like more, those are underrated.
The terrarian obviously does not get lower than Uni+ !!!11
To be fair the terrarian defeats multiple eldritch gods. Plus, if Minecraft Steve is universal the terrarian is multiversal lol
As much as I want to glaze him, Uni+ feels too much of a stretch, capping at galactic with statements!!!
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Or statement versal.
Yeah no wank it’s not a stretch to put him in galactic.
I'ma be real if I don't see the visual effects of moving at or near light speed, I don't believe that that shit was light speed with very very few exceptions.
Yeah basically, authors are stupid sometimes and write shit they don't understand, I remember one 40k book where they describe macro cannons as XYZ levels of joules, but actually the joules stated were about the same as a hefty punch. Now, do we assume the ships are throwing out slaps instead of shells, or the author got it wrong?? Hmmmm, tricky one
Talking to someone that has no clue on what author intend means is so annoying. They can see this and just write up a storm about how actually that projectiles is slow as hell because.... the actor can be seen breathing.
In a low budget movie.
Where the actor has to interact with another live actor so cgi or editing isn't possible.
That is more than just breathing, he moved his whole head on the time the attack was flying to him, not something editing would have leave on unless they sre really bad at it.
Powerscalers have gaslit themselves into believing absolute nonsense
[gestures at Kratos]
Not my goat tho
Hey Ya negs fiction btw
Nah he dodged lasers so yes he is actually FTL/s
What lasers?
I'm seeing a guy state The Sun's visibly slow attacks are either SoL or FTL because a guidebook said so.
I heard people were glazing Jojo to Outerversal because "Wonder Of U is the concept of calamity" even though I don't think that automatically makes someone Outerversal
That is the thing, nothing makes nobody outerversal, it doesn't exists.
Based.
Well Soft and Wet Go Beyond can ignore the rules of the universe meaning Gappy is outerversal
/j
Several STANDS are FTL and can be very powerful, but almost none of the USERS scale to said stands. The majority of those same stands tend to have shorter range as well, becoming weaker the further away from the user they are.
Dio is basically the only Stand user that can physically compete with his own stand and he was already a superhuman before obtaining it
In many jojo fights, fighting the stand is impossible cuz its so strong, and they have to find and beat up the user, cuz theyre a mostly normal human
Pretty much.
They do in the sense that in order to fight with their stands at the speed at which they do, they have to be able to perceive at that speed because otherwise how else could they use the stands effectively, but like oc yeah Josuke isnt as physically strong or fast as crazy diamond
Being able to see something doesn't mean you can move in time to avoid it. That's generally how Mista, Ratt, and Hol Horse sniped their victims. Jotaro's been caught by projectiles far slower than light several times because of this
I mean yeah that's what I meant, they can perceive the speed of their stands but that doesn't mean they have the same stats as them. When I say "Jotaro is FTL" I'm definitely not talking about the man himself lol
Me when I'm in a "Getting outsped by a 300kmh stand" competition and my opponent is Jotaro:
https://i.redd.it/0urwk7x2lk7g1.gif
But well you see, this databook said he's quadrupleMFTL+. So whole story doesnt matter now! Upscale everyone to FTL or BUST!
I don't even read manga the stupid pictures slow me down, I just read the databooks, its way more efficient.
They have also shown light speed feats with the hanged man and the sun.
Pucci or josuke
Josuke
Both actually
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Yooo I forgot about this, I was just going off of the Crazy Diamond 300 kmh statement
This is truly our subsonic bizarre adventure
"Speed blitz me once, shame on you, speed blitz me twice, shame on me" ahh
Granted star platinum broke the sound barrier with its punches during its first fight, but "subsonic bizarre adveture" sounds funnier than "supersonic bizarre adventure"
Pucci can run faster than 10 kilometers when he uses his stand to jump. So pucci is faster than a bullet train by far.
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Counterpoint:
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This guy solos fiction
This guy literally solos himself
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Powerscalers trying to convince me muzan gets above large building - city block level
Get him past a paper building first
Sunburn fodder
FTL Jojo is up there with lore circlejerk Doomguy with my most hated powerscaling out there. Like, it's so obviously false just from actually reading the source material that you'd have to be speedreading faster than light to get it so wrong.
Ultimate Kars by the in-setting logic should be one of if not THE most powerful character, had to put up some effort to pursue and engage a WWII-era plane. Hell, even Pucci with MiH could still be just barely seen by characters with no time or speed-related abilities. I love JJBA but it is not FTL LMAO.
The only time i use FTL scaling for jjba is agenda posting about them beating someone who like really shouldn’t be compared to them.
You’re speaking my language, Kratos and Link are also circlejerked to nonsensical levels
JJBA is a terrible but also one of the most fun series to powerscale at the same time. Because like none of them are just based on being rly strong. Most of them have alot of weird and wacky powers that have so many unique usages to them, and different ways to use said power. And the Anime alone pertectly shows how JJBA focuses on HOW you use your powers, not what it does.
Like a stand thats just a fucking Overhead power line called Superfly. Would completely destroy a big chunk of powerscaled people because of how it works.
People always focus on GER or WoU, but the fun matchups are the really specific stands
There are so many stands that if you take how they work at face value could easily oneshot so many opponents.
/J Yeah guys. The dude who stops time isn’t faster than light…wait a minute?
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/UJ just watch Jojo for the memes dude. It has a
Jojo’sBizzareadventurepower system, accept the series solos your goat and move on😭Rimuru after fighting part 2 joseph
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(Joseph would be the one strapped to the nuke and it would somehow give him the upper hand, and then he would win after stalling for 2 minutes)
Part 2 prime joseph solos your goat people sorry its just how it is i dont make the rules
Oh yeah that's 100% true, they might not be FTL but Joseph would simply outsmart the photons
If Baki Narrator is active, then Yujiro will use Bullshido to beat the opponent, no matter whom it is.
😭 brother knows ball. Part 2 Joseph was an absolute fucking ride (might be my favourite jojo).
Pea-NANI!
Accept the series
solosloses toyour goatCharmander and move on😭Aight sure gang. Let’s jerkscale charmander, Pokémon fans need a win after the last series entry.
I have come from the secret Pokécouncil. Charmander and his whole line has been washed since day 1.
Now any member of the squirtle line on the other hand
Fella's soloing fiction
It doesn't even reach hypersonic, we know roughly how fast crazy diamond is and star plat didn't absurdly outmatch it in speed, even if it was 4 times as fast its not hypersonic, hypersonic is fast as fuck, people out here saying JJBA and demon slayer characters goin faster than a SR-71 at full tilt
There's at least two relativistic to SoL stands - Hanged Man and RHCP. MiH can also be considered that fast - but his abilities are more of a hax than speed, IMO. Anyway - those stands have specific condition that allow them to move that fast, and characters specifically use clever plans to deal with them instead of using "FTL calcs" powerscalers describe (they are just stupid trust fr fr).
MiH didnt even get to FTL until the peak of time acceleration either. For the entire actual fight it was essentially moving at the speed of a bullet train and it outsped everyone there.
Technically its more like MiH decelerated other people to the point that Pucci was FTL in comparison.
Gojo seeing Tusk Act 4 with Infinite Rotation prying open his Infinity like a soda can (his asshole is next):
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I don’t even know what your point there is bruh. He never utilises deceleration ever other than the chart which basically just explains why the new universe is normal at first.
Pucci didn’t knock them out immediately upon unlocking MiH. His speed is tied to the universe, there’d be an obvious sign if he had jumped to MFTL+ or something then right back down to sub bullet train speeds.
Claiming Pucci can jump around randomly in speed is not textually supported. We get a play by play of the sun getting faster and are even explicitly told that they have a deadline to beat Pucci before he becomes too fast.
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Finally someone who knows ball
dio isn't ftl the world is though
No but guys Polnareff beat the stand whose entire power is moving at lightspeed (by using some weird esoteric strat because the guy was too fast for him to hit normally) so that means he's FTL
Hitting at guy that's moving at lightspeed while they're moving makes them lightspeed yeah. He did use a strat to know where Hanged Man was but he was still reacting to Hanged Man. Like if im shot with a bullet, even if I know its coming I have to be bulletspeed to catch it after its shot.
If he could move at and perceive lightspeed, why did he even go through all that trouble instead of just hitting the guy??
If you know the bullet is coming, and you get to control when the gun is fired, you do not need to move at bulletspeed to put a sword in front of the barrel
Part of the issue in the Hanged Man fight was that they were surrounded by a bunch of people and he was going between each of their eyes, and they didnt want to hurt anybody. The solution of getting him in the coin in the air wasn't rly because he was too fast exactly, but to get him in an easy spot to attack the stand. Plus its literally shown Polnareff brings out Silver Chariot in the middle of Hanged Man moving so it's not just preaim.
If Star Platinum was FTL why couldn't Jotaro just piggy back ride on his stand and travel to egypt in 0.2 seconds? Riddle me that, jjba powerscalers
Is this a real question, i don't wanna look stupid
Because that would ruin his cool guy persona and he doesn’t want to ruin it
Jojo scalers always end up pulling the stand from the user because otherwise they are always slimed by random character that's above building level.
Why isn't he FTL? We have direct author confirmation that Star Platinum is
What? Star platinum can move FTL????? I didn't know that you can move FTL if you stop everything around!!!
Now i must scale every non time stopping stand to FTL.
Why is it logical to gain ftl in time stop? Should that be infinite speed.
Well, you gotta upscale then. Because they are FTL + bonus speed (Idk how much, but anything for an upscale).
Ok, maybe not anything.
Where can I find this statement
Part 6's stand description for Star Platinum
Star platinum can, jotaro cant
Yea, but Jotaro is capable of reacting at those speeds
Nonproof it travels at REAL light speed
I agree with what I’ve seen said recently, this sub is just turning into a way for power scalers to dunk on each other
Dio and Jotaro have very blatantly FTL attack speed
You're right. But THE WORLD is.
dont mess with jojo powers scalers NLF is their best argument.
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I don’t know how speed is measured in powerscaling because I genuinely don’t understand the rules of it but I’m pretty sure SOME stands are capable of destroying more than one building at a time.
But the only example I can think of is POTENTIALLY weather report so.. uhhhh
Simple, really, here's a simple step-by-step algorithm:
Hax bro… hax…
Dio no, MIH pucci tho...
I mean hangend man is right there for the hypersonic thing
I read "JJBA" as "JSAB" which is silly because the JSAB main character starts the game by literally creating the world.
Counterpoint: Pucci
It definitely goes above building level (Case in point: one stand was a freakin' giant ship. It could definitely demolish an entire street if summoned there), but not a single stand extends to island level, and in terms of speed you're spot on.
People say star platinum is lightspeed+ because he could react to The Sun's rays, but it is way more plausible to say that the suns attacks arent actually lightbeams (as in they dont go at the speed of light)
people are arguing DIO is ftl? wtf?
He’s ftl in the same way an alcubierre drive is considered ftl. As in, neither go faster than light but technically bend some other property to get the same result. Dio stops time, alcubierre drive bends space to make distances shorter.
Uh, looks at bohemian rhapsody about that
This is literally just powerscaling in general. A vast majority of characters are NOT as strong as they're "scaled" to be.
Probably because the relevant feats only happen a few times per part, so its easy to miss them out.
I have them at City Block Level
Also when I say City Block Level, its only applicable obviously to the real top tiers like Star Platinum, The World, etc
Meawhile we Lookism fans who barely got to Building lvl AP and durability and hypersonic speed through sheer top tiers:
i mean yes its at part 3 that he is FTL not in part 1 so keep watching
Jojo stands don’t need to be FTL to be reality warpers. Generally, speed and strength stands are considered not only rare, but also not that useful. Anubis was considered strange to be a “direct attack stand”.
Joseph tanked a hamon by kars which according to Stroheim was as hot as the sun, which means he has solar level durability
Silver Chariot had feats reacting to the speed of light without much trouble even before setting foot in Egypt. And he got much stronger after facing Vanilla Ice.
If Silver Chariot reacted to the speed of light, Dio would react to it easily.
Johnny casually opening infinite
I mean he technically can with time stop, like by himself he can’t, but to an outside perspective it looks like he teleports.
Jojo character explaining their stand to a DBZ character
A few of the stands are faster than light but gets limited by range and one annoying thing I see is that people scale a bunch of the human jojo characters using what Jonathan who used hamon and Dio who is a vampire did.
"cant go above building level" didnt jotaro throw a whole building i think thats building level
Maybe not DIO himself (Though I personally have no problems with that stance), but it's fairly obvious his stand is (Unless you lack basic reading comprehension, of course):
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Didn't Polnareff literally tag a guy who moves through light reflections
After a precise plan to trap him in a particular spot, yeah.
and he still moved the sword while HM was travelling mid air, which takes light speed to do
Having himself thrown the coin, wouldn't Silver Chariot have had a head start while everyone turned to look at it?
At least city to state level, come on.
True. Dio has a reaction and combat speed FTL, as proven when he outsped Star Platinums punches without his Stan. But speed wise? Not quite. Maybe hypersonic.
motherfuckers will see the author himself say that stand x has FTL speed and still say that jojo "caps at hypersonic"
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The ftl+ feats has been proven to be true, but the higher than building level is just straight up delusional coming from the jjba community