Met an international student who is doing a fellowship. They were a MD/Rads back in their country. Came to the US, apparently they just have to do fellowship/residency and they become an MD. I know its not easy to go this route but its awesome for them as he'll be a radiologist after just doing a couple fellowships by the age of 34 but benefit is they have no debt. They never had to go through med school. Its great for them.
dude you have no idea what you're talking about
The pathway for international rads is:
1 - go to medical school abroad and pass all the same BS tests that we pass (USMLE 1,2,3)
2 - do a radiology residency abroad (min 1 year clinical and 3 years in rads)
3 - many of them are attendings abroad before coming here
4 - do FOUR years of radiology fellowships in the US (same about of time in radiology training as a US rad)
5 - hope the ABR doesn't close down this pathway at some point during your training
6 - reap rewards
I personally think they should shutter this pathway but it ain't short or easy, thats for damn sure
https://www.theabr.org/get-certified/alternate-pathways-to-certification/#dr-img-alternate-pathway
While that is true the quality of abroad radiologists varies tremendously. Some are great and even better than the staff at the institutions I trained at while others I would honestly put below a R2 or even a R1 a few months into their residency.
Agree completely. I really think they should close the pathway. it reeks of indian nepotism to me. but I stand by what I said earlier, it's definitely not shorter than US training.
The person I spoke to was telling me its much easier to be a radiologist overseas. They also have like a buy in system where you can buy your way into med school which seems a bit unfair. It just doesnt make sense that they would allow this. They should have to do med school here too in order to comply with the ethical standards that exist here.
I didn't realize having ethics was a US only thing?
Also - if you think people aren't donating their way into getting kids into medical school here, think again
Edit: I will add I know less than nothing about getting into indian med school, and nothing about the cost. I am 100 percent positive that having rich parents is beneficial in the US and India, no doubt about that. I don't have rich parents but it would have been nice I'm sure. I also know that at least one of my med school classmates was completely braindead and his dad gave a huge donation and voila the kid finally got in after many years of failed apps. And there were so many "anonymous" donors on the donor wall that you have to imagine a lot of those were related to getting their kid into the school
Who exactly are all these people donating in the US to get into medical school? Id like to know who can donate here without qualifying through entrance exams or other test scores. It doesnt exist here and for good reason. Yes the US does have higher ethical standards than many foreign countries. Not saying every country but theres more checks and balances. Seems like youre an international trained doctor and what I said upsets you.
You can’t be anchoring on one-two things that an individual tells you about their own personal experience and ignore all the facts out there… at that point, it isn’t logical thinking just pure emotion
They were “MD/Rads back in their country” and they “never had to go to medical school” makes no sense whatsoever.
they never had to go through med school? do you actually believe that?
I was referring to in the US. Of course they do med school there but its significantly cheaper
You will make more as a radiologist in the those extra years of they have to spend repeating residency/fellowship training than whatever debt you may have
No.
Ya I feel you. I've met many IMGs who are completing their training in the US, as well as some US-IMGs who opted to go to med school in Europe or South Asia for the cheaper tuition. Sure, getting residency placement as an IMG is difficult, but for those who make it, they pretty much won the lottery. They'll never have to worry about loans during and after residency.