Poles: Starting in the mid-1930s and continuing after the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939, hundreds of thousands were deported, and tens of thousands were executed in the "Polish Operation" and other purges. Soviet Germans: The entire population of Volga Germans (over 400,000 people) was deported in 1941, along with other German populations from across the western USSR, due to fears of collaboration with the Nazis. Koreans: The first mass transfer of an entire nationality occurred in 1937 when almost the entire Soviet Korean population (nearly 175,000 people) was forcefully moved from the Far East to Central Asia, accused of being Japanese spies. Finns: Ingrian Finns and others from the Leningrad region and Karelia were subject to arrests and deportations in the 1930s and 1940s. Baltic Peoples: Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians were victims of mass arrests and deportations, particularly in 1941 and then after World War II, as part of the re-Sovietization of the annexed territories. North Caucasus Peoples: Entire populations from the North Caucasus were deported during the war, including the Chechens, Ingush, Karachays, and Balkars, accused of collaboration with the German army (even in regions the Germans never occupied). Crimean Peoples: The entire Crimean Tatar population was deported in May 1944, as were other ethnic minorities in Crimea, including Greeks, Bulgarians, and Armenians. Meskhetian Turks: Along with Kurds and Hemshils, this group was deported from the Georgian border region to Central Asia in November 1944
You seem to think historical context isn't real. Nazis were an existential threat, the capitalist powers were an existential threat, it led to harsh actions. Some which are not justified. But if you don't consider for a second the historical conditions the USSR existed under , you aren't offering any serious debate.
just ignores the Crimean Tatars and Chechens- quote from the Wikipedia page on the "On orders from Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the NKVD, the entire Chechen and Ingush population of the Checheno-Ingush ASSR were to be deported by freight trains to remote areas of the Soviet Union."
Ah yes, because of external threats, we need to specifically target minorities and expel them. He wasn't expelling many Georgians though, how weird
Yes same thing the Americans did to the Japanese.
Two wrongs don't make a right. There is a reason whataboutism is a fallacy
Screeching whataboutism doesn't acknowledge historical context the USSR lived under, it's not a rebuttal to anything.
That same argument can be applies to the USA at the time, it doesn't mean minorities should be expelled
No it doesn't. Japan did not pose the existential threat to the USA that Nazis posed for the USSR.
My brother in Christ, they flew planes into thier harbour. I think they were a bit of a threat
You think Japan had the capability of overthrowing the u.s government and invading the country as the Nazis had the potential with the USSR?
It was sadly seen as a normal way of resolving conflicts after the Greeko-Turkish population exchange set precedent.
many of these were done to protect those peoples, not to target them
Вот даже лень на такое отвечать в сотый раз, одно и тоже.
Damn, it's almost like the USSR shouldn't be deified and treates as a successful state
No, the USSR does not need to be deified, there was a lot of bad things in the USSR, it was the first experiment, in the harshest possible conditions. It's like playing on a super challenging level with only one life, and this is the first time you're playing this one. Therefore, the locals have already read about these horrors of Stalinism thousands of times and know much more about them than you do. Every second post here is about this.
During World War II, all states acted harshly against potential dangers, like the United States and the Japanese, and not only that, too lazy to list
Life isn't a videogame - it's really simple not to remove minorities from your country. If you need to start systemically killing your own population to keep them in line, maybe your country should be classed as a failed state
Yeah so if we go by this logic almost every single western nation is a failed state as they have participated in crimes just as bad during the colonial era.
To recognize the country as not having taken place and what to do? Destroy the people by the forces of the good elves?
Hitler also recognized the USSR as a failed state and came to punish us for it.
How old are you? What planet are you from?
What Hitler did was awful - im talking about nowadays. The fact that there is a subreddit with 90k followers about a country that commited atrocities is pretty terrible.
I like the Russian people, they havent done anything wrong - but the leaders if the USSR deserve to be put in the same catagory as Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and King Leopold II
... and George Washington, Winston Churchill, Every American President Ever, French, Polish, etc etc. Agree ?
If they have comitted crimes, then yes.
Yes but funny how you exclude them from your list of criminals.
Did you post the same thing on r/USA or r/UK ? Why not, they are much worse than USSR.
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"If" lol, lmao even
OK, and what do you want to do with a fairly large part of the world, including China and part of the global south, perhaps a third of the world's population, who perhaps support what the USSR did? Are you going to put us in jail or just fine us, or maybe put us in concentration camps?
No, that woule make me a hypocrit. Just want the worship of Communism to end, and slowly transition to a democratic system 😊
Just whining won't get you anywhere. Act in harsh conditions like Stalin, Mao and all the other bloody dictators. Seize power, create an army, find resources and move forward to your dream!
Personally, I just wouldn't allow so many to ethnicities to be purged 🤷♂️
They were enemies of the people
Yeah, those ethnic minorities that were specifically relocated, including children, were definitly enemies if the state! Can't have those filthly children capitalists running around