Hello. I am from Russia snd I remember straight old mens were kissing like that. That was some old rare tradion. We can see it in movies.
Some article from some internet:
...But if we turn to history, even Stalin and then Khrushchev "kissed men." They, like Brezhnev, followed an old tradition that originated in the depths of the centuries. The meaning of this is a manifestation of sincere joy and respect.
And this kiss is called a triple, as it is symbolically kissed on both cheeks, and then on the lips. However, before Brezhnev, no one kissed with such enthusiasm: Stalin tried so hard to avoid such customs, and others did not reach out to everyone.
Not only in Russia, even in England “kiss me Hardy” comes to mind as Lord Nelson’s final words, and no he wasn’t banging Hardy as he was fully into lady Hamilton!
I'm not saying every guy who kisses another guy is gay but of it became socially acceptable to kiss other men in public then a lot of the guys doing it were likely gay. The secret police can't get mad at you for being good comrades who are just roommates.
I mean there's a difference between 2 guys kissing on the lips when greeting each other after long time or at some special event and two guys sitting on a park bench for hours and kissing with tongues.
jajajajaja acá en argentina a algunos les da asco saludar con un beso en la mejilla, no me imagino lo que habrá sido para Stalin en esa época jajajaja.
I read an article about this and this is an old tradition in ussr to show respect. Also the same thing applies for the Italian mafia but they call it death kiss.
I like how people pointed out the fact that Stalin recriminalized homosexuality, as if around the same time UK wasn't administering chemical castration to gay men, and there was no penalty for it in the bible Belt of the US... If you can use homophobia to make anti-communist arguments, then naturally, it can be used to make anti-capitalist arguments as the conversation goes no where when both ideologies can operate outside of homophobia, you absolute butt-brains.
Bolsheviks were too progressive for the society they were in. They made marrying up to five people legal, divorce instant, etc. That created chaos, at 19 years people married to have sex and divorce after, parents felt betrayed, and this had to stop. So the Soviets, not Stalin, went back to the model of "holy Russian family" for all. It was necessary to keep society together. Homosexuals were the victim of this policy, and Soviet society stayed very conservative, as Philby later would discover. To this, the Russian Orthodox church played a role, of course
Pointing out what Stalin or the Soviet Union did wrong is not anti-communism. One of the important principles of Marxism is the ability criticise others and yourself. MAGA communism is a prime example of what happens when criticism means anti-communism. They refer to this and say "being a homo-/transphobe is okay, even advisable (because the Soviet Union criminlaised homosexuality) ,as long as you are involved in class struggle".
You stalinists really need to read. Lenin criticised many of his comrades, even with harsh words. And others criticised Lenin. He was many times in the minority within the party decisions.
Not a Stalinist, and I agree with some of what you said. It's just that criticism of Stalin's policies melt down as criticism towards the state as a whole which then melt down as criticism towards socialism, which bugs me when it's being used that way. Would that look like selective outrage to you, especially when cold War comes to mind?
Usually it's a big tell when someone is a Stalinist, they make all criticism towards factually bad things the USSR did as anti-communist propaganda. I was mistaken, sorry.
Your explanation makes your meaning clear, and I agree. But everyone does it. The USSR famously countered with "and you lynch black people" or something against USA's criticism of USSR's human rights. That doesn't mean the USA was lying, or that they didn't know they were being hypicritical. They knew. Rhetorical attacks are usually based on truth, often distorted, and then it's shown how much "better" the other side is because of these distorted truths. They don't ever have those, of course.
I understand the logical fallacy behind whataboutism, yet focusing on the errors of USSR as if USA hasn't done terrible things seems to be the sentiment predominant within the liberal left. USA was lying, factually, in the Black Book of Communism. In which, the writer came forward about fabricating the numbers. Even, if USA wasn't "lying" on certain data that was hidden by the USSR, it's facts like these that make number estimates sound less reliable.
Yes, of course there was absolutely lies too, but I am saying they are not always lies. The Black Book of Communism was and is absolutely egregious book of lies, and an extreme example. I think people are focusing too much on numbers. I for example brought up Stalin's forced resettlements and the great purge, and someone immediately assumed I was talking about the Black Book of Communism and said "yeah, yeah, Stalin killed a trillion people and personally stole all their grain". Thinking like that is dangerous, and only creates a more distorted and extreme view of what happened. Those being that if I criticise the USSR, i must think Black Book of Communism is the truth or I think that Stalin and the USSR were perfect and did nothing wrong ever.
This was horrible and should be criticized. Nobody can expect that an experiment of this nature could have been perfect within the societies and cultures of the early 20th century.
We can appreciate what the USSR, and other socialist experiments, accomplished while criticizing them for their shortcomings and poor decisions. A communist who dogmatically tries to "cover" for these shortcomings is both denying reality and failing to learn from mistakes. That's not to say we shouldn't understand the context within which difficult decisions were made.
The USSR accomplished a great many things and drastically improved the quality of the lives of many people who lived there. Many unfortunate things came from difficult decisions made within the context of the early 20th century. Some of those unfortunate consequences came from backwards thinking and were simply terrible. Both of those things can be true.
The USSR accomplished a great many things and drastically improved the quality of the lives of many people who lived there.
50/50, The early USSR was absolutely better than the Tsarist Russia that ruled before it but under Stalin it was absolutely brutal again for many people.
In the 50s, under Khrushchev there was a glimmer of hope again but by 1965, it started lagging behind and stumbling in the 1980s.
We can take lessons from the USSR, for example Khrushchev's house projects but overall I don't think we should have a system rehaul to a Soviet model
There seems to be a denial of historical record and group wrong-think within this subreddit
There seems to be a denial of historical record and group wrong-think within this subreddit
Unfortunately, this is my experience with many Communist subreddits. Too many socialists, myself included in the past, are falling for the same propaganda that older generations fell for. The same can very much equally be said of anti-communist rhetoric, of course. The same tired, debunked garbage is used to "discredit" valid communist talking points. Canned responses that discourage engagement and promote campism and so on.
People who want to interact with socialist thought and materially improve their communities' well-being need to GTFO of Reddit. Go outside and do shit. Read theory. Interact with people outside of Reddit. Arguing on Reddit does absolutely nothing to further socialist goals, and ultimately hurts your mental health.
Rightly or wrongly, communist is a label that has a lot of baggage associated with it.
An example I can give is around public transport. France has arguably one of the strongest public transport systems in Europe, if not the world. It is seen as a part of national infrastructure. It is centrally planned, state owned. Profit (if there is profit) serves as a secondary motive. Compare that with the UK where it is mostly seen as a market or an alternative to cars.
When I'm at a local party meeting, chatting with friends or family. I'd never call it socialist, as arguably it is, or even a french model. Those labels just fill whoever listens with either good or bad ideas of what it is.
Most people here probably use communist as a personality trait more than an ideological position
Where did you check? In the Soviet Union? Maybe it's in your cultural circle, but not necessarily in theirs, and regardless of your cultural circle, it's not sex, even though it might be part of it. It's a five-comment exchange, how on earth did you get lost in it? It's a bit like holding hands. It might be something you do with a partner in your country, while in India it's something you might do with a friend. It's really not that complicated.
Because most of horrible things they considered as cia propaganda is truth. Red terror, involuntary mass relocations, collectivisation, GULag, "troyki"(an instant court's that lead to death penalties), tortures, countless war crimes, include war crimes against own military like "заградотряды"(a dedicated units that executed retreats), many more.
And, by the way... Wait for it. Holodimor.
A typical old tradition of Eastern Europe, an innocent kiss. Only the narrow-minded and deeply infantile see this tradition as a manifestation of homosexuality.
Well, communist country wasn't that tolerant modern leftist want it to see. That was common in that time in their culture to do this as symbol of friendship
It was quite normal in Russia and much of Europe for men to kiss without being homosexual.
Especially after winning the most catastrophic war that has ever existed on the face of the earth.
At that moment, I would have started kissing absolutely everything out of pure excitement.
Without going any further, there are people who say goodbye to a dead person with a kiss and they are not necrophiles, parents who kiss their children and they are not pedophiles, people who kiss their animals are not zoophiles
Back in those days there wasnt even a movie with kissing in it, most people had never seen porn, kissing was not sexualized. It could have been a simple hello or goodbye
A traditional Orthodox greeting, largely forgotten during the 20th century—for instance, clasping hands as usual with the right hands, while each person simultaneously grips the other’s forearm near the elbow with their left hand—and accompanied by a triple kiss on the lips. Imagine the profound sense of relief experienced by people who have just completed a military campaign. It’s no wonder they were ready to literally kiss one another in joy—relieved that the mission was accomplished, the campaign concluded, the war over, and evil halted.
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they don't have to be gay to do that in the USSR there was a thing called a brother kiss or they also call it the socialist kiss in the West where two men just kiss in the mouth it's seen as a sign of brotherhood
1934, Harry Whyte, who was a gay man living with a Russian gay partner, wrote Stalin a letter Can a homosexual be a communist? Stalin had Whyte’s letter archived, but first added his own note, “An idiot and a degenerate”, a clear reference to the author of the letter.
Although he had the letter archived, such protests from gay Communists alerted Stalin to the need for a propaganda campaign to sway public opinion. Here he called on the help of someone who was more able than himself as a writer, Maksim Gorky, who hurriedly wrote an article, ‘Proletarian Humanism’, published in both Pravda and Izvestia in May 1934. The article was a rabidly homophobic text which positioned homosexuality as a western bourgeois disease, even an expression of the “demoralising influence of Fascism.” And the slogan he raised was, “Destroy the homosexuals – Fascism will disappear.”
Hello. I am from Russia snd I remember straight old mens were kissing like that. That was some old rare tradion. We can see it in movies.
Some article from some internet: ...But if we turn to history, even Stalin and then Khrushchev "kissed men." They, like Brezhnev, followed an old tradition that originated in the depths of the centuries. The meaning of this is a manifestation of sincere joy and respect. And this kiss is called a triple, as it is symbolically kissed on both cheeks, and then on the lips. However, before Brezhnev, no one kissed with such enthusiasm: Stalin tried so hard to avoid such customs, and others did not reach out to everyone.
Also called the “Bruderkuss”(Brotherkiss) in Germany.
https://preview.redd.it/jz5a6tdpdf8g1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0590008026383cc9de2c60a1b2bfdff795b2152
This might sound fucked up but this def an image of two straight men kissing
Guy in the background clearly doesn’t want to be next.
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Lifehack from Castro
Ha ha ha
Seems pretty gay to me 😂
Zadornov once called it something like the triple party kiss when describing how bishops do the same thing.
Not only in Russia, even in England “kiss me Hardy” comes to mind as Lord Nelson’s final words, and no he wasn’t banging Hardy as he was fully into lady Hamilton!
I'm not saying every guy who kisses another guy is gay but of it became socially acceptable to kiss other men in public then a lot of the guys doing it were likely gay. The secret police can't get mad at you for being good comrades who are just roommates.
Shaking hands =/= holding hands
Kiss on the cheek may or may not be romantic.
I mean there's a difference between 2 guys kissing on the lips when greeting each other after long time or at some special event and two guys sitting on a park bench for hours and kissing with tongues.
jajajajaja acá en argentina a algunos les da asco saludar con un beso en la mejilla, no me imagino lo que habrá sido para Stalin en esa época jajajaja.
See no difference🙃😁😆😅🤣😂
Its true. Me and my bro volodya do it too
Sounds like homosexuality with extra steps.
It's not gay as long as you say "glory to the people"
Poly?/j
To do this you need to be a subscriber of r/europe
A straight man can kiss another straight man while maintaining their heterosexuality
Kisses like that were common in Soviet/Eastern European culture. Doesn’t necessarily mean they were gay
I think op knows it, he's just trying to rage bait
bela foto de perfil rapaz.
O homem vai trazer o hexa, eu confio
Vai nada.
The socialist fraternity kiss
The hand of one of the soldiers is already moving downwards for the classic socialist fraternity ass grab.
Nah, they gay, Wokesef Stalthem told me so
and being gay was illegalized under Stalin. OP just trolling
Feels like a historians said they were just roommates moment 😅
https://preview.redd.it/itph09ma7f8g1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7307815949da921ec269d4c6ace574eafad82055
What’s this meme? Did Nasser has horrible opinions? I thought he was well liked among the pros except for Dorian
They're not gays. Just in USSR this was not gayish.
I read an article about this and this is an old tradition in ussr to show respect. Also the same thing applies for the Italian mafia but they call it death kiss.
We can kiss fraternally 🥺🥺🥺
I like how people pointed out the fact that Stalin recriminalized homosexuality, as if around the same time UK wasn't administering chemical castration to gay men, and there was no penalty for it in the bible Belt of the US... If you can use homophobia to make anti-communist arguments, then naturally, it can be used to make anti-capitalist arguments as the conversation goes no where when both ideologies can operate outside of homophobia, you absolute butt-brains.
Bolsheviks were too progressive for the society they were in. They made marrying up to five people legal, divorce instant, etc. That created chaos, at 19 years people married to have sex and divorce after, parents felt betrayed, and this had to stop. So the Soviets, not Stalin, went back to the model of "holy Russian family" for all. It was necessary to keep society together. Homosexuals were the victim of this policy, and Soviet society stayed very conservative, as Philby later would discover. To this, the Russian Orthodox church played a role, of course
Of course, the church plays a role. The holy boyfriends of Christ who wants everyone to be prudes.
Pointing out what Stalin or the Soviet Union did wrong is not anti-communism. One of the important principles of Marxism is the ability criticise others and yourself. MAGA communism is a prime example of what happens when criticism means anti-communism. They refer to this and say "being a homo-/transphobe is okay, even advisable (because the Soviet Union criminlaised homosexuality) ,as long as you are involved in class struggle".
You stalinists really need to read. Lenin criticised many of his comrades, even with harsh words. And others criticised Lenin. He was many times in the minority within the party decisions.
Not a Stalinist, and I agree with some of what you said. It's just that criticism of Stalin's policies melt down as criticism towards the state as a whole which then melt down as criticism towards socialism, which bugs me when it's being used that way. Would that look like selective outrage to you, especially when cold War comes to mind?
Usually it's a big tell when someone is a Stalinist, they make all criticism towards factually bad things the USSR did as anti-communist propaganda. I was mistaken, sorry.
Your explanation makes your meaning clear, and I agree. But everyone does it. The USSR famously countered with "and you lynch black people" or something against USA's criticism of USSR's human rights. That doesn't mean the USA was lying, or that they didn't know they were being hypicritical. They knew. Rhetorical attacks are usually based on truth, often distorted, and then it's shown how much "better" the other side is because of these distorted truths. They don't ever have those, of course.
I understand the logical fallacy behind whataboutism, yet focusing on the errors of USSR as if USA hasn't done terrible things seems to be the sentiment predominant within the liberal left. USA was lying, factually, in the Black Book of Communism. In which, the writer came forward about fabricating the numbers. Even, if USA wasn't "lying" on certain data that was hidden by the USSR, it's facts like these that make number estimates sound less reliable.
Yes, of course there was absolutely lies too, but I am saying they are not always lies. The Black Book of Communism was and is absolutely egregious book of lies, and an extreme example. I think people are focusing too much on numbers. I for example brought up Stalin's forced resettlements and the great purge, and someone immediately assumed I was talking about the Black Book of Communism and said "yeah, yeah, Stalin killed a trillion people and personally stole all their grain". Thinking like that is dangerous, and only creates a more distorted and extreme view of what happened. Those being that if I criticise the USSR, i must think Black Book of Communism is the truth or I think that Stalin and the USSR were perfect and did nothing wrong ever.
Uuuuh they’re not gay. That’s a typical Soviet greeting. Even Soviet leaders would do it.
I am gay. They were not gay.
They were roommates?
No, they were comrades
*cumrades
Aww that's so cute. Who are they?
Future prisoners for "мужеложство" because male gay sex was a crime in ussr.
You got down voted but Stalin literally recriminalised homosexual relationships, it was also called a disease and mental disorder.
Later on, homosexuality was later depicted as a sign of fascism.
"There is already a sarcastic saying: Destroy homosexuality and fascism will disappear." - Maxim Gorky 1934
This was horrible and should be criticized. Nobody can expect that an experiment of this nature could have been perfect within the societies and cultures of the early 20th century.
We can appreciate what the USSR, and other socialist experiments, accomplished while criticizing them for their shortcomings and poor decisions. A communist who dogmatically tries to "cover" for these shortcomings is both denying reality and failing to learn from mistakes. That's not to say we shouldn't understand the context within which difficult decisions were made.
The USSR accomplished a great many things and drastically improved the quality of the lives of many people who lived there. Many unfortunate things came from difficult decisions made within the context of the early 20th century. Some of those unfortunate consequences came from backwards thinking and were simply terrible. Both of those things can be true.
50/50, The early USSR was absolutely better than the Tsarist Russia that ruled before it but under Stalin it was absolutely brutal again for many people.
In the 50s, under Khrushchev there was a glimmer of hope again but by 1965, it started lagging behind and stumbling in the 1980s.
We can take lessons from the USSR, for example Khrushchev's house projects but overall I don't think we should have a system rehaul to a Soviet model
There seems to be a denial of historical record and group wrong-think within this subreddit
Unfortunately, this is my experience with many Communist subreddits. Too many socialists, myself included in the past, are falling for the same propaganda that older generations fell for. The same can very much equally be said of anti-communist rhetoric, of course. The same tired, debunked garbage is used to "discredit" valid communist talking points. Canned responses that discourage engagement and promote campism and so on.
People who want to interact with socialist thought and materially improve their communities' well-being need to GTFO of Reddit. Go outside and do shit. Read theory. Interact with people outside of Reddit. Arguing on Reddit does absolutely nothing to further socialist goals, and ultimately hurts your mental health.
Rightly or wrongly, communist is a label that has a lot of baggage associated with it.
An example I can give is around public transport. France has arguably one of the strongest public transport systems in Europe, if not the world. It is seen as a part of national infrastructure. It is centrally planned, state owned. Profit (if there is profit) serves as a secondary motive. Compare that with the UK where it is mostly seen as a market or an alternative to cars.
When I'm at a local party meeting, chatting with friends or family. I'd never call it socialist, as arguably it is, or even a french model. Those labels just fill whoever listens with either good or bad ideas of what it is.
Most people here probably use communist as a personality trait more than an ideological position
Yes, as is common knowledge, capitalism is when gay sex. Pretty sure there's a telling Guevara quote on that.
im pretty sure only because stalin abolished tsarist law, and tsarist law included criminalisation of homosexuality
No, it was decriminalized under Lenin. Stalin them recriminalised it in 1934
Yep i know. Commies hate reality because reality is natural enemy to them.
More because that's not what sex looks like. Try it sometime, it doesn't have to be gay if you don't want to.
Last I checked making out with a dude is pretty gay
Where did you check? In the Soviet Union? Maybe it's in your cultural circle, but not necessarily in theirs, and regardless of your cultural circle, it's not sex, even though it might be part of it. It's a five-comment exchange, how on earth did you get lost in it? It's a bit like holding hands. It might be something you do with a partner in your country, while in India it's something you might do with a friend. It's really not that complicated.
Communism is when you support everything a leader does and you have no nuance apparently
What is that even supposed to mean?
Because most of horrible things they considered as cia propaganda is truth. Red terror, involuntary mass relocations, collectivisation, GULag, "troyki"(an instant court's that lead to death penalties), tortures, countless war crimes, include war crimes against own military like "заградотряды"(a dedicated units that executed retreats), many more. And, by the way... Wait for it. Holodimor.
Commies are mentally unable to process information correctly and use common sense, unfortunately it's spreading like disease 😬
Oh that's sad to be fair
A typical old tradition of Eastern Europe, an innocent kiss. Only the narrow-minded and deeply infantile see this tradition as a manifestation of homosexuality.
Awesome Proletarian Couple >w<
Evil and intimidating Stalin
Well, communist country wasn't that tolerant modern leftist want it to see. That was common in that time in their culture to do this as symbol of friendship
Or is this just the brotherly embrace?
Lol sooo many people being confused by the idea that 2 men can kiss without necessarily being homosexual.
Finally, a photo of the future the left wants
I'm pretty sure they're just so straight that even when they kiss boys they're not gay.
not gay
not gay, quite normal from many years ago
They are being watched.....
Someone: "Do you think one can find love in war?"
Me: "I dunno, but I'm sure as hell; one can definitely find ways to fuck in war."
It was quite normal in Russia and much of Europe for men to kiss without being homosexual. Especially after winning the most catastrophic war that has ever existed on the face of the earth. At that moment, I would have started kissing absolutely everything out of pure excitement. Without going any further, there are people who say goodbye to a dead person with a kiss and they are not necrophiles, parents who kiss their children and they are not pedophiles, people who kiss their animals are not zoophiles
Homosexuality was WAY illegal by the time of Stalin this is a Brotherly/Socialist kiss they are most likely straight men. Still gay tho.
This is the fraternal kiss. Westoid radlibs stop sexualizing everything challenge: impossible.
They are not gay... Almost nobody knew this a word and even the possibility of being gay...
Back in those days there wasnt even a movie with kissing in it, most people had never seen porn, kissing was not sexualized. It could have been a simple hello or goodbye
Either dumb or malicious.
Which is it, OP?
I think Joe approve,because he was a bisexual
From the year 1934 all the way to the collapse male homosexuality was punishable by up to 5 years in prison work camps.
so that's why they said it was just a greeting? xD
They should be happy then. The work camps were the hight of comfort and relaxation.
So this is Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, he could even kiss men in the Politburo)))
lmao
A traditional Orthodox greeting, largely forgotten during the 20th century—for instance, clasping hands as usual with the right hands, while each person simultaneously grips the other’s forearm near the elbow with their left hand—and accompanied by a triple kiss on the lips. Imagine the profound sense of relief experienced by people who have just completed a military campaign. It’s no wonder they were ready to literally kiss one another in joy—relieved that the mission was accomplished, the campaign concluded, the war over, and evil halted.
Mmmm men
What happened to them afterwards?
Wrong. Try again for your internet points.
Idiot
https://preview.redd.it/muv7yjkrrj8g1.png?width=1344&format=png&auto=webp&s=8d31cbfbac6caedcf584de55b236f4967f155640
They were probably not gay
https://preview.redd.it/ca35rbv6ak8g1.jpeg?width=1020&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=242cee24e4ea99c6edc44a1446642cd662a080a1
well well well
Misinformation
Its a tradition you idiot,gay men were sent to gulags, everyone kissed each other on the cheeks
Damn
Eh
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Even if my post was removed it ridn't change the fsct that op is an IDIOT
Aaaww good for them
You make me laugh go to gulag
I actually love this.. Soviet Union yaoi
You know BS because they are not in a gulag
Propaganda bullsh!t from the west
they don't have to be gay to do that in the USSR there was a thing called a brother kiss or they also call it the socialist kiss in the West where two men just kiss in the mouth it's seen as a sign of brotherhood
Who doesn't love Soviet yaoi?
From emancipation to criminalisation: Stalinist persecution of homosexuals from 1934
1934, Harry Whyte, who was a gay man living with a Russian gay partner, wrote Stalin a letter Can a homosexual be a communist? Stalin had Whyte’s letter archived, but first added his own note, “An idiot and a degenerate”, a clear reference to the author of the letter.
Although he had the letter archived, such protests from gay Communists alerted Stalin to the need for a propaganda campaign to sway public opinion. Here he called on the help of someone who was more able than himself as a writer, Maksim Gorky, who hurriedly wrote an article, ‘Proletarian Humanism’, published in both Pravda and Izvestia in May 1934. The article was a rabidly homophobic text which positioned homosexuality as a western bourgeois disease, even an expression of the “demoralising influence of Fascism.” And the slogan he raised was, “Destroy the homosexuals – Fascism will disappear.”
Where are their other hands?
Why is this in my feed
The algorithm knows what you've been browsing. Don't try to deny it.
Not allowed under Modern Furher Putin
Right before being thrown in jail
Soviet army was always packed with gay af butt sex, is that news to some historians?? 🫣
This is not gay, it's cultural. Commies were extremely anti LGBT and conservative.
I don't know what's up with lefties and this idea of the USSR and communist countries being really progressive; spoiler alert, they weren't lmao.
Yea read some books.
I did, that's my point. And no need for it, I have friends in ex-eastern block countries.
Пиздець полной
Off to the gulags for them!
Ewww blyad'