Never heard of laser bulbs wtf world we live in where someone needs to see 12 miles ahead? High SUVs with LED bulbs are already bad enough and should be outlawed.
Nahh the laser ones like Audi, Mercedes⌠will cut out only the part of the light where is something like car house or person. Itâs so much better to just see very well in dark. When I am driving my shitbox and one of these are behind me I basically turn off my headlights and see well while not being blinded by their highs from back.
This is legit super awesome. I really really really would love to see a technology like this come to the aftermarket. Like, a Mishimoto version, not a Spec D version.
Properly aimed led lights wonât blind you any more than regular bulbs. The problems are that people donât aim their lights correctly or use led bulbs in housings that arenât made for led. My jcgl has leds and I decided to do a test I turned the headlights on and parked it on the street. Then drove my lowered 987s towards it. Shocking but it didnât blind me, and I have extreme light sensitivity (have to wear sunglasses even on overcast days and even in some buildings or my eyes and head hurt). But I also took the time to re-aim them even tho the car is brand new.
If your headlights can blind people at any angle, they are too bright. Full stop.
When we live in a world without hills, speed bumps, or road crowns, then alignment will be the solution. Until then, stop using alignment as an excuse for blinding drivers because you went over a speed bump, or you're waiting on the other side of the intersection pointed slightly up due the road's crown.
Any headlight even a halogen blinds me if itâs not aimed right, itâs hardly a problem that is unique to leds. So you suggest we just donât drive at night? Or no headlights? Yes at certain angles the lights will be a problem. But unless we go back to 1970s-1980s tech (or realistically even older) and headlights that were barely enough to see by itâs going to be a problem. Itâs impossible to design a system that under no circumstances will potentially blind an oncoming driver unless the lights are so weak that they are bordering on useless. Then you will have the problem of more people hitting deer, pedestrians, etc because they canât see as well or as far.
Hey now! I'm just pointing out a problem! I just want to bitch and moan and not suggest solutions! (/s)
My point is, it's just worse when headlights are too bright, and people use the alignment solution as an excuse too much. Yeah, it's always been an issue, but it's so, so much worse now with brighter headlights.
On lit roads, your headlights aren't there for you to see other things. That's what the streetlights are for. Low beams are so other things can see you. Deer are a problem solved with high beams, which should never be used on city streets in the first place.
Low beams were never designed to rely on streetlights, the standards for them were created before widespread street lighting. If low beams were only meant for âso others can see youâ they wouldnât need hundreds to thousands of lumens, complex optics, or legally mandated aiming. Their primary purpose has always been for the driver to see the road while minimizing glare to other traffic, not just for other drivers to see the car.
While high beams exist solely to maximize the driverâs forward visibility when no other traffic would be blinded and are therefore restricted to use when alone or with no oncoming traffic
The problem quite literally stems from factories not properly aiming headlights, combined with increased vehicle ride height and poorly tuned/aimed LED optics, which in turn makes people seek out brighter ones because the aiming of the lower lumen bulbs makes for horrible low light driving conditions.
Actually I hadn't thought about it that way before, and you have a point there. Otherwise I suppose, what are daytime running lights for lol.
The problem quite literally stems from factories not properly aiming headlights, combined with increased vehicle ride height and poorly tuned/aimed LED optics, which in turn makes people seek out brighter ones because the aiming of the lower lumen bulbs makes for horrible low light driving conditions.
I agree mostly, except that aiming isn't the main problem. Again, this would only hold true if there were no hills or road crowns or speed bumps. Old cars have been driving for decades with sagging rear suspension and poorly aimed lights, and the problem is far, far worse than it ever was. It's sheer luminosity that's the problem.
Not everyone lives in a city. My commute has streetlights for a grand total of 1-2 miles of my 19 mile commute. Iâm commuting at a time when there are other people out but still in the dark. So I rarely have an opportunity to use my high beams as I would blind other drivers.
Your low beam headlights not being there for you to be able to see my be the stupidest thing i have ever read in my life. They are absolutely there so you can see. Like I said I have street lights for a tiny portion of my commute. By your logic I should use my high beams so I can see. But then I would be really blinding other drivers. Your low beams are so you can see without blinding another driver (with the understanding you wonât be able to see as far), high beams for when there is no one around so you can see further. The side markers are there so other people can see where the corners of the car are. Not the low beams. Yes in a city setting with well lit street you donât need powerful headlights as there is plenty of light pollution to let you see. However you can still see BETTER with bright headlights even in that setting. There are always areas that will be shadowed by overhead lights and your low beams can potentially light those areas up so you can see whatâs happening better. Then there the issue of burnt out bulbs on streetlights, and power outages. Not to mention many many people donât live in an area where there are a lot of street lights. Just cuz you do doesnât mean everyone does. On my commute good headlights are the difference between hitting a deer and not.
No your point was âif your headlights lights blind drivers at any angle then they are too brightâŚfull stopâ. Thatâs just plain wrong. Even old school sealed beam halogens would blind drivers. Are brighter lights worse - no. If your blinded your blinded. It may âhurtâ your eyes more if they are brighter but you still canât see. So itâs no worse from a safety point of view. Blinded is blinded. Arguably led and projector technology has actually improved safety (if properly aimed) because they allow a sharper cut off. With old school lights there was a lot of light that bled out from the main pattern which would make the light more likely to blind someone or at least make it more difficult to see. With modern headlight design there is a sharp cutoff that prevents that bleeding of light. Again if the lights are properly designed and they are properly aimed brightness is a positive and will help prevent accidents. Like I said in my first response the biggest issue is with people putting high power or led bulbs in standard reflector housings or improperly aimed lights. The light bleed that was a moderate problem with stock halogens becomes much more significant with brighter bulbs (regardless of the technology used to produce the light). Improperly aimed lights will blind oncoming traffic no matter what kind of bulb is used.
You do have a point. I do drive on unlit roads frequently, and perhaps that statement was a bit too obtuse (that low beams aren't there for you to see but for others to see you). Realistically, it's the daytime running lights that are there for this purpose, not low beams.
The projector technology though, that's just stupid. It's an excuse to make it far too bright below the cutoff. Every time a car waits across an intersection from me, crests a hill in front of me, or drives over a speed bump, I fall below the cutoff line. Yes, this was a problem before fancypants lights were put on cars, but it's so, so much worse now, because the headlights are just so, so much brighter. The projector technology also does jack shit to stop reflections from wet roads from blinding other drivers with glare.
This is actually a point I'm really passionate about. I used to love driving at night, and now it's hell. It's not that I'm getting older (asked my optometrist about that, my eyes are actually better than most people half my age). It's because headlights are too bright. Thank you for your points, you made some very good ones.
The reality is it doesnât matter if itâs a halogen or a led, if the lights are in your eyes you are blind. Iâll give you that the led/hid may hurt more, but youâre still not gonna be able to see (and I regularly get blinded by non led/hid headlights). So from a safety point of view itâs not like the led is more dangerous, just more uncomfortable. There is no hard data (Iâve been able to find) saying the led is more dangerous for oncoming drivers. Iâve said it once and Iâll say it again (and itâs something Iâm passionate about as well because my led lights have let me see things I would have absolutely missed with dimmer headlights as I barely saw them with the brighter light) itâs all about how the lights are aimed and how (and for what) the housings are designed for. I would be willing to bet the majority of the time you have been blinded by leds it has been because of poorly aimed headlights or people using leds in headlights not designed for them. Which is technically illegal anyway as it doesnât meet dot codeâŚso outlawing properly designed led headlights will do nothing to help the problem.
At the end of the day they do serve an important purpose, to allow you to see better, which is the only purpose of headlights. I remember when HIDS came out people said the same thing that they are saying about leds now. And yet years down the road suddenly they arenât a problem. When the next technology comes out suddenly people will be ok with led and hate the new one. This can be extended to pretty much ANY new technology that has ever been put in cars. From seat belts, to airbags, to hids, gps screens (people were convinced that drivers wouldnât look at the road) etc. LED headlights are just the current one. đ¤ˇââď¸
Properly aimed led lights wonât blind you any more than regular bulbs.
Thatâs actually true, people are quick to hate. You can have a 5000 lumen flashlight pointed AWAY from you and that wonât blind you. Same concept with vehicles. If the housing isnât build for that kind of bulb, donât put it in there. If itâs blocked, or the lens is designed for it, LEDâs are perfect. They last longer, they use less power, generate less heat (typically) and you can control their brightness much easier.
The problem isnât usually with new cars with LED downlights, surprisingly. Itâs the old cars retrofitted with LEDâs. The lenses in old bulbs arenât designed for the ANGLE at which most LED bulbs shine, which leads to that larger range. You can ABSOLUTELY (with proper manufacturing) control WHERE and HOW BRIGHT an LED shines.
People donât seem to understand, itâs not about the brightness itâs the angle.
Yup they just wanna hate on Leds just like they did hid before, and halogen non sealed beams before that. People get in their little head that the light source is the problem and donât want to look at a nuanced take of the situation. đ¤ˇââď¸
Husband had to flick some idiot off the other day, white lifted truck that probably takes the cake with the brightest headlights to ever exist. The entire time he was behind us following us.
I normally like bright lights like that (im a flashlight enthusiasts) and driving with them is nice because you can see for what feels like miles, but I absolutely hate them because I'm sensitive to lights and being blinded is the worst. I drove my sisters little convertible at night once, never again. Every car no matter what it was would blind me, and id have a good few seconds of not being able to see anything with them leds.
Laser lights are actually the best lights due to their ability to turn off certain lights when it detects an oncoming driver. They are the solution to blinding oncoming drivers.
LEDs are fine too. The issue is mouth breathers driving with their high beams on.
Halogens are completely worthless, then add jackassess who install HIDs on reflector housings and you get the worst offenders of blindness while proving shit improvement in visibility.
i would argue that LEDs are certainly not fine. i run an experiment in my head every night on the drive home, and the conclusion is that i would rather be high beamed with halogens/warm LEDs than have to stare at a line of oncoming white LED low beams.
even at low beam, intense white LEDs (anything above ~5000k) can be completely blinding on dark roads at night, especially if your vehicle sits lower or if the oncoming vehicle is a higher sitting vehicle. the more blue the light, the more my eyes struggle to re-adjust to the darkness.
warm halogens were perfectly fine for decades of mass market usage. LEDs are implemented because they are more reliable, last far longer (nobody wants to change their headlight bulbs), and simply because they look more modern.
I disagree that halogens were âfineâ. They were definitely weak imo and visibility from a drivers perspective is very lacking.
And indeed there are situations where even properly aligned LEDs still become a blinding problem as well.
While lasers are expensive, a properly tuned laser headlights can fix the alignment issue by being adaptive at all times. Indeed some LEDs are already adaptive, moving downwards when theres bumps on the road and preventing blinding oncoming drivers.
I genuinely believe however, the biggest offenders are the people who install HID/LEDs on housings not designed for them such as reflector housings meant for halogens.
Weirdly I find the pure white/bluish tint of most LEDs too difficult to see with. Its like im trading sheer brightness for a loss in clarity. Probably has to do with how most LEDs only emit specific wavelengths rather than a wide spectrum like halogens
Now add to that a height difference between SUVs and regular cars. Makes you want to switch to helicopter, just to not be blinded.
Heck even cyclists want to shine to infinity and beyond. So annoying these days
I can understand laser or led for highbeams, but normal headlights dont need to be super bright, just bright enough to see the dark sections streetlights cant illuminate
God i hate how most cars default lights are these effing spotlights now. Mothher effers are blinding people on the road at night. Gonna need to make a low beam setting for effs sake >.<
I still remember buying a HID upgrade kit for my first car, but chickening out when it came to actually installing them because I didn't want to get yellow stickered :O
What about having the entire power of the sun as your headlights
Well, apparently there's a difference. Somewhere between a nice summer's day and the full concentrated power OF THE SUN
FIRE!!!!
Watch your headlights darling
Mercedes got your back with headlights bright enough to shine through a cow.
That guy was driving behind me last night!
It's enlightening
That pun was not light work.
Yeah I called the creation of that pun photosynthesis
You'd think UVe seen everything...
Damn... My hUVris, I didn't see that... I was blinded by the lights
Surely you mean hUVBris?
Thanks for shining my wrongs I couldn't see it before.. My room is dimly lit
Im glad I could light up your day.
You really brighten up my day bro. You're brightest bulbs in the room
Thanks. (I've lost the plot i can't continue this. There is no way you could make fun light puns đ)
Never heard of laser bulbs wtf world we live in where someone needs to see 12 miles ahead? High SUVs with LED bulbs are already bad enough and should be outlawed.
They're actually making laws against them, but I doubt that will change anything.
Nahh the laser ones like Audi, Mercedes⌠will cut out only the part of the light where is something like car house or person. Itâs so much better to just see very well in dark. When I am driving my shitbox and one of these are behind me I basically turn off my headlights and see well while not being blinded by their highs from back.
This is legit super awesome. I really really really would love to see a technology like this come to the aftermarket. Like, a Mishimoto version, not a Spec D version.
Properly aimed led lights wonât blind you any more than regular bulbs. The problems are that people donât aim their lights correctly or use led bulbs in housings that arenât made for led. My jcgl has leds and I decided to do a test I turned the headlights on and parked it on the street. Then drove my lowered 987s towards it. Shocking but it didnât blind me, and I have extreme light sensitivity (have to wear sunglasses even on overcast days and even in some buildings or my eyes and head hurt). But I also took the time to re-aim them even tho the car is brand new.
No.
If your headlights can blind people at any angle, they are too bright. Full stop.
When we live in a world without hills, speed bumps, or road crowns, then alignment will be the solution. Until then, stop using alignment as an excuse for blinding drivers because you went over a speed bump, or you're waiting on the other side of the intersection pointed slightly up due the road's crown.
Any headlight even a halogen blinds me if itâs not aimed right, itâs hardly a problem that is unique to leds. So you suggest we just donât drive at night? Or no headlights? Yes at certain angles the lights will be a problem. But unless we go back to 1970s-1980s tech (or realistically even older) and headlights that were barely enough to see by itâs going to be a problem. Itâs impossible to design a system that under no circumstances will potentially blind an oncoming driver unless the lights are so weak that they are bordering on useless. Then you will have the problem of more people hitting deer, pedestrians, etc because they canât see as well or as far.
Hey now! I'm just pointing out a problem! I just want to bitch and moan and not suggest solutions! (/s)
My point is, it's just worse when headlights are too bright, and people use the alignment solution as an excuse too much. Yeah, it's always been an issue, but it's so, so much worse now with brighter headlights.
On lit roads, your headlights aren't there for you to see other things. That's what the streetlights are for. Low beams are so other things can see you. Deer are a problem solved with high beams, which should never be used on city streets in the first place.
Low beams were never designed to rely on streetlights, the standards for them were created before widespread street lighting. If low beams were only meant for âso others can see youâ they wouldnât need hundreds to thousands of lumens, complex optics, or legally mandated aiming. Their primary purpose has always been for the driver to see the road while minimizing glare to other traffic, not just for other drivers to see the car.
While high beams exist solely to maximize the driverâs forward visibility when no other traffic would be blinded and are therefore restricted to use when alone or with no oncoming traffic
The problem quite literally stems from factories not properly aiming headlights, combined with increased vehicle ride height and poorly tuned/aimed LED optics, which in turn makes people seek out brighter ones because the aiming of the lower lumen bulbs makes for horrible low light driving conditions.
Actually I hadn't thought about it that way before, and you have a point there. Otherwise I suppose, what are daytime running lights for lol.
I agree mostly, except that aiming isn't the main problem. Again, this would only hold true if there were no hills or road crowns or speed bumps. Old cars have been driving for decades with sagging rear suspension and poorly aimed lights, and the problem is far, far worse than it ever was. It's sheer luminosity that's the problem.
Not everyone lives in a city. My commute has streetlights for a grand total of 1-2 miles of my 19 mile commute. Iâm commuting at a time when there are other people out but still in the dark. So I rarely have an opportunity to use my high beams as I would blind other drivers.
Your low beam headlights not being there for you to be able to see my be the stupidest thing i have ever read in my life. They are absolutely there so you can see. Like I said I have street lights for a tiny portion of my commute. By your logic I should use my high beams so I can see. But then I would be really blinding other drivers. Your low beams are so you can see without blinding another driver (with the understanding you wonât be able to see as far), high beams for when there is no one around so you can see further. The side markers are there so other people can see where the corners of the car are. Not the low beams. Yes in a city setting with well lit street you donât need powerful headlights as there is plenty of light pollution to let you see. However you can still see BETTER with bright headlights even in that setting. There are always areas that will be shadowed by overhead lights and your low beams can potentially light those areas up so you can see whatâs happening better. Then there the issue of burnt out bulbs on streetlights, and power outages. Not to mention many many people donât live in an area where there are a lot of street lights. Just cuz you do doesnât mean everyone does. On my commute good headlights are the difference between hitting a deer and not.
No your point was âif your headlights lights blind drivers at any angle then they are too brightâŚfull stopâ. Thatâs just plain wrong. Even old school sealed beam halogens would blind drivers. Are brighter lights worse - no. If your blinded your blinded. It may âhurtâ your eyes more if they are brighter but you still canât see. So itâs no worse from a safety point of view. Blinded is blinded. Arguably led and projector technology has actually improved safety (if properly aimed) because they allow a sharper cut off. With old school lights there was a lot of light that bled out from the main pattern which would make the light more likely to blind someone or at least make it more difficult to see. With modern headlight design there is a sharp cutoff that prevents that bleeding of light. Again if the lights are properly designed and they are properly aimed brightness is a positive and will help prevent accidents. Like I said in my first response the biggest issue is with people putting high power or led bulbs in standard reflector housings or improperly aimed lights. The light bleed that was a moderate problem with stock halogens becomes much more significant with brighter bulbs (regardless of the technology used to produce the light). Improperly aimed lights will blind oncoming traffic no matter what kind of bulb is used.
You do have a point. I do drive on unlit roads frequently, and perhaps that statement was a bit too obtuse (that low beams aren't there for you to see but for others to see you). Realistically, it's the daytime running lights that are there for this purpose, not low beams.
The projector technology though, that's just stupid. It's an excuse to make it far too bright below the cutoff. Every time a car waits across an intersection from me, crests a hill in front of me, or drives over a speed bump, I fall below the cutoff line. Yes, this was a problem before fancypants lights were put on cars, but it's so, so much worse now, because the headlights are just so, so much brighter. The projector technology also does jack shit to stop reflections from wet roads from blinding other drivers with glare.
This is actually a point I'm really passionate about. I used to love driving at night, and now it's hell. It's not that I'm getting older (asked my optometrist about that, my eyes are actually better than most people half my age). It's because headlights are too bright. Thank you for your points, you made some very good ones.
The reality is it doesnât matter if itâs a halogen or a led, if the lights are in your eyes you are blind. Iâll give you that the led/hid may hurt more, but youâre still not gonna be able to see (and I regularly get blinded by non led/hid headlights). So from a safety point of view itâs not like the led is more dangerous, just more uncomfortable. There is no hard data (Iâve been able to find) saying the led is more dangerous for oncoming drivers. Iâve said it once and Iâll say it again (and itâs something Iâm passionate about as well because my led lights have let me see things I would have absolutely missed with dimmer headlights as I barely saw them with the brighter light) itâs all about how the lights are aimed and how (and for what) the housings are designed for. I would be willing to bet the majority of the time you have been blinded by leds it has been because of poorly aimed headlights or people using leds in headlights not designed for them. Which is technically illegal anyway as it doesnât meet dot codeâŚso outlawing properly designed led headlights will do nothing to help the problem.
At the end of the day they do serve an important purpose, to allow you to see better, which is the only purpose of headlights. I remember when HIDS came out people said the same thing that they are saying about leds now. And yet years down the road suddenly they arenât a problem. When the next technology comes out suddenly people will be ok with led and hate the new one. This can be extended to pretty much ANY new technology that has ever been put in cars. From seat belts, to airbags, to hids, gps screens (people were convinced that drivers wouldnât look at the road) etc. LED headlights are just the current one. đ¤ˇââď¸
This may just be an agree to disagree situation lol.
Thatâs actually true, people are quick to hate. You can have a 5000 lumen flashlight pointed AWAY from you and that wonât blind you. Same concept with vehicles. If the housing isnât build for that kind of bulb, donât put it in there. If itâs blocked, or the lens is designed for it, LEDâs are perfect. They last longer, they use less power, generate less heat (typically) and you can control their brightness much easier.
The problem isnât usually with new cars with LED downlights, surprisingly. Itâs the old cars retrofitted with LEDâs. The lenses in old bulbs arenât designed for the ANGLE at which most LED bulbs shine, which leads to that larger range. You can ABSOLUTELY (with proper manufacturing) control WHERE and HOW BRIGHT an LED shines.
People donât seem to understand, itâs not about the brightness itâs the angle.
I agree 100% but gotta love the hate downvoting me when I say it lol
Thatâs reddit for ya. Hivemind
Yup they just wanna hate on Leds just like they did hid before, and halogen non sealed beams before that. People get in their little head that the light source is the problem and donât want to look at a nuanced take of the situation. đ¤ˇââď¸
Wait stop, you are being too reasonable! Be angry đ
this is an actually useful red circle, theyâre saying the types of light inside the circle are mental illnesses
Except its not accurate.
Issue isnt the light tech. Its either jackassess who install HIDs on reflector housings, or lifted trucks or badly aligned lights.
theyâre not trying to be accurate though, itâs satire https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/real-x-vs-mental-disorders
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Okay it's super off topic but I'm actually pissed they put robertson screws in mental illness. It's far better than Phillips could ever hope to be.
Husband had to flick some idiot off the other day, white lifted truck that probably takes the cake with the brightest headlights to ever exist. The entire time he was behind us following us.
What I do when someone is tailgating with bright headlights is a flip all my mirrors towards them.
They usually pass me after they get a taste of their own headlights
This meme points back to the transphobic "real genders" "mental illness" infographic, which was then parodied many times keeping the same structure:
2 things selected in green are the "real x", everything else is circled in red and the "mental illnesses"
The red circle is therefore fundamental for the meme
I normally like bright lights like that (im a flashlight enthusiasts) and driving with them is nice because you can see for what feels like miles, but I absolutely hate them because I'm sensitive to lights and being blinded is the worst. I drove my sisters little convertible at night once, never again. Every car no matter what it was would blind me, and id have a good few seconds of not being able to see anything with them leds.
Laser lights are actually the best lights due to their ability to turn off certain lights when it detects an oncoming driver. They are the solution to blinding oncoming drivers.
LEDs are fine too. The issue is mouth breathers driving with their high beams on.
Halogens are completely worthless, then add jackassess who install HIDs on reflector housings and you get the worst offenders of blindness while proving shit improvement in visibility.
i would argue that LEDs are certainly not fine. i run an experiment in my head every night on the drive home, and the conclusion is that i would rather be high beamed with halogens/warm LEDs than have to stare at a line of oncoming white LED low beams.
even at low beam, intense white LEDs (anything above ~5000k) can be completely blinding on dark roads at night, especially if your vehicle sits lower or if the oncoming vehicle is a higher sitting vehicle. the more blue the light, the more my eyes struggle to re-adjust to the darkness.
warm halogens were perfectly fine for decades of mass market usage. LEDs are implemented because they are more reliable, last far longer (nobody wants to change their headlight bulbs), and simply because they look more modern.
These are all well thought out points.
I disagree that halogens were âfineâ. They were definitely weak imo and visibility from a drivers perspective is very lacking.
And indeed there are situations where even properly aligned LEDs still become a blinding problem as well.
While lasers are expensive, a properly tuned laser headlights can fix the alignment issue by being adaptive at all times. Indeed some LEDs are already adaptive, moving downwards when theres bumps on the road and preventing blinding oncoming drivers.
I genuinely believe however, the biggest offenders are the people who install HID/LEDs on housings not designed for them such as reflector housings meant for halogens.
Yes, the red circle is part of the joke, its useful in this case
I kinda like the warm look of Halogens
Weirdly I find the pure white/bluish tint of most LEDs too difficult to see with. Its like im trading sheer brightness for a loss in clarity. Probably has to do with how most LEDs only emit specific wavelengths rather than a wide spectrum like halogens
Well, LED is awesome if it's aimed correctly. Most people have them aimed at the sky or smthn.
Now add to that a height difference between SUVs and regular cars. Makes you want to switch to helicopter, just to not be blinded. Heck even cyclists want to shine to infinity and beyond. So annoying these days
I can understand laser or led for highbeams, but normal headlights dont need to be super bright, just bright enough to see the dark sections streetlights cant illuminate
Wait you're complaining about LED's as well? Don't most new cars come with those by default? Not much most people can do about them at this point.
God i hate how most cars default lights are these effing spotlights now. Mothher effers are blinding people on the road at night. Gonna need to make a low beam setting for effs sake >.<
The problem isn't how bright they are, it's that they're not aimed correctly. It's especially bad with aftermarket kits.
I still remember buying a HID upgrade kit for my first car, but chickening out when it came to actually installing them because I didn't want to get yellow stickered :O
These lights can be good, if people just properly adjust the angle to show the road and not the backs of people's throats
And I thought led was too bright
Laser? Yeah, because now I understand how a pilot feels getting a laser pointer in the eye.