So when I see people talking about John on the topic of killing, they seem convinced that John has not killed anyone yet in the webcomic. However, during the raid on Wellston, and when John attempts to perform suicide by cop, personally I remember him copying Blake's ability, and shooting right through some of those cops's heads. Admittedly the narrative doesn't really mention what happened as being kills (though in the scene with John and Seraphina after this it's not as if the details are mentioned.)
When I read the scene originally, I interpreted it as John killing cops in revenge for the state's murder of his dad, as well as his generally depressive episode around then. Am I interpreting it wrong? Is there no confirmation on this topic? Did John kill multiple cops without much narrative consequence?
Unordinary seems to run on the logic that death doesnt happen unless EXPLICITLY stated. Not saying its not possible, but most of the deaths happen outside of the governments control (ex: spectre) or are caused by the government (ex: EMBER) so its likely that the hospitals and other medical stuff they have is stronger than ours today and can basically heal anyone who is barely alive
I think it’s implied that Keene killed people while he was rescuing Vaughn
Very heavily implied. Vaughn outright says afterwards “Condolences to anyone you may have lost today” which suggests Vaughn finds it very likely that some of those officers are dead.
Fair enough. Crazy medical skill to heal through what are effectively bullets going through someone's brain
True but keep in mind what John has done in previous battles, like turning Blyke into Swiss cheese with his own lasers. It very well could be true that those cops died but most deaths always seem to happen when going to a hospital isnt possible but those cops would have been sent to one
I feel like a shot straight to the head is a bit...different from that.
Like, sure, I can believe that some of the officers survived, but at least some of those guys are definitely dead. Not even in UnO, can you survive getting shot through the skull.
It definitely is different, I just think it would have been stated if John ever fully murdered someone. He already has so much guilt about hurting people that murdering someone would make worse, even in self defense
I feel like this goes beyond a statement. Like, unless it's directly shown, I just can't bring myself to believe that man survived getting a hole put in his skull.
They killed his father, he was suicidal and aiming to bring down as many as he could with him. He nearly died, and thought he would. There is literally no reason for him not to kill those people and plenty evidence otherwise.
I just reread through that chapter. Right before the headshot occurs he does say something to the extent of "I'm bringing you down to hell with me." He was clearly both not planning to survive and planning on taking down some cops with him. I wish the narrative focused more on this because this feels like a major character moment for John to have killed someone?
I feel like this isn't his first kill though. Most of the cops he brought down are likely dead.
As for the narrative, it was likely focused on the fact that John is suicidal, revenge driven and willing to kill, not just the latter.
Who would he have killed before the raid? I could just be misremembering stuff here
Not before the raid. The people that he hit with that energy blast probably died.
Yeah.. also considering that things like severed limbs and Tarik’s eye are pretty explicitly shown to not be healable, And having a hole blasted through your head would almost certainly result in instant death.. I don’t think theres any reason to believe it would be possible to heal that, or possible for a person to survive that.. I mean we also see a blood panel explicitly emphasized to spray a large amount out from the back of their heads.. I don’t think thats something that can be survived..
It certainly doesn’t seem like John has any hesitation to kill those he hates. I mean in the Rowden Hill battle John literally aimed energy beams at the heads of two Spectre agents that were already down, saying “burn in hell, fuckers”. I think it’s quite clear he was trying to kill them
That's true, and if anybody would have priority access to hospitals in this setting, it certainly would be cops / state officials
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Going by what Silvia says here, there’s a good chance he did
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Yep, I think this guy is one of them they couldn’t salvage lol
Yep.
I know I am crowding the post a bit, but I just have trouble understanding how some people think he couldn't have killed anyone with stuff like this.
Like, he is literally says so himself, his objective is to kill as many as he can before he dies.
No mercy + beams Blyke says himself are very dangerous = some people not making it back home for sure
Don’t worry about “crowding posts” like that. It’s all good! (As long as it’s not like intentional spam or rule breaking you’re good dw!)
I imagine it’s more John’s done some crazy stuff prior like kicking a guy’s head so hard it got buried in a wall without that killing them.
TBF there is a difference between that and shooting someone in the head point blank after saying "yeah, I am going to hell and dragging y'all down with me"
Oh I missed that! That's pretty close to a confirmation
I thought she meant bring the medics for John to salvage him so they could trap him like they did to Jane
I think if John killed someone, we would probably get explicit confirmation of that. Seeing as multiple casualties weren’t mentioned on the broadcast out for their arrest, I doubt any of those officers died.
I mean, the Bureau is likely covering up their own failure.
Besides, he was literally trying to bring as many as he could down with him before he died, to avenge his dad. Even said "I'm bringing you down to hell with me." before shotting someone straight through the skull.
I feel like it's just...unlikely that he failed to kill anyone when it was literally his objective...and he literally headshot someone point-blank.
I agree it’s just that I think moreso killing officers during his breakdown at the Wellston Ambush would be another instance of being uncontrolled/a monster that John would have to get through and deal with, and I’m not sure that the story is prepared to do that.
I feel like that doesn't really...count, persay.
Like, he is at his literal lowest point here, he doesn't think he has anything worth living for, that he is entirely alone, being a "monster" is the last thing on his mind.
He fears hurting innocent people, those people weren't innocent. As far as he is concerned, every officer there is responsible for his dad's death, so he prepares to go down avenging him, and make himself useful, save people. He saved Blysemi, used his powers to protect them. That's good enough for him.
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I'm not so sure this guy can be salvaged.
So people think he didn't? I was reading and thought "oh, guess we killing now. This ain't batman ig" then moved on. Pretty sure he was offing those guys
1000% offed a few. Charged a beam through an officers face, broke one's spine with brute force which had the other officers backing up scared before he wipes them out too. John said "Today... You're all coming to hell with me!" Before he almost dies. He didn't say "You're all getting a hospital trip haha!"
I doubt he killed all of them, but I remember seeing some of the panels and thinking "oh yeah, they're definitely dead." He definitely killed at least a few, but not all of them.
He definitely did. The story can be vague, but I don't think it at all was. He said he wanted to kill them, ok he does often, but he doesn't often grab heads and blast through them. They died
There is no way he didn't, like few people have to have died there
John murdering people without any internal conflict is not very like him; I would prefer those people not to be dead, or to have John not been thinking about it at that moment and then I have to deal with that, Like everyone else, if history pushes them to commit those acts, people think he could do it without problems, but I don't think that would be the case, and I would like him, like everyone else, to be terrified of killing someone.
He might reflect down the line but it’s been made pretty clear he was knowingly killing everyone he could. He wanted them dead and had the power to do so.
Hmmmm I need to reread, cause I dont remember any beams going THROUGH the head specifically.
Example:
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Example (continued)
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Oh yeah..... thanks chief. :)
yeah they probably big dead. Who knows
lmao i was just about to comment this damn you lol
i think he did kill someone but i dont think it was rlly stated