Honestly if you buy swords online your parents should be proud of you too. Honestly they should be proud of you in general for not choking yourself on your life tether when coming out of the womb but also goalposts change sometimes and you gotta deal with that.
Ah, it used to be thinner, a more standard wash. And the bottle used to be bigger. Then they changed the formula, made it thicker and more of a panel lining tool than an actual wash in comparison IMO, smaller bottle to boot.
That's fair, I've been pretty happy with it so far but I can see how you would be frustrated if it's changed that much. I'm not actually using it for my current project which is the seraphon spearhead, I'm trying to keep my colours as vibrant as possible for the mighty lizards.
My partner and I both grew up pretty poor (relatively). Although I'm better at it than they are, we both still struggle spending money on "nice things". I've gotten better at getting the higher quality version of things I need, but so often I'll see something I love and immediately think "pff, we can't afford that!" Then I have to stop myself and think, no, actually we could easily afford it.
The question is not "do we have enough money for that" but " is that something we're willing to spend money on".
Like I said, I'm still learning this. It's hard. And we're also quite environmentally minded, so we hate buying useless crap. But sometimes it's ok to buy yourself something that you really like, even if it isn't strictly necessary! Add joy to your life!
Yeah. You’re stuck in a capitalist economy, might as well spend money at local buisnesses for food and pay artisans for swords, instead of buying KFC and mall ninja katanas.
Being depressed can waste money, too. You order delivery for food, groceries, whatever else so you don’t have to leave your home, and that takes up a lot of money.
That’s one of the things I teach in the classes at my job at a psych center- finances and how they affect and are affected by your mental health.
Some people blow their money on deliveries because they’re too depressed to cook or go get groceries. Some people just collect money because they have no appetite and don’t care about anything. It presents differently for everyone.
The common thing is financial stress in general. Whenever I start the finances group and ask who thinks that financial stress contributed to them being in the hospital, every single person raises their hand. It’s awful.
the semi-colon is being used to make a list of lists. a list of things you buy and enjoy, then a list of places you go and enjoy. then a list of activities you enjoy. all listed together as a list of expenditures in the name of leiusure
you're right, but they're saying the first list looks like it's using eat, drink, and buy as interchangeable actions all being performed on books instead of the intended eat [food], drink [beverages, and buy books
like, you know what he means to say, and it's not really worded wrong, but you could also read it another, funnier way if you so choose
The less you read and eat and drink, the more capital (which is ever growing and non-perishable) you acumulate.
The more capital you accumulate, the more alienated from your life (and humanity) you become.
So my interpretation is that the goal of accumulating capital seems logical because it is useful and does not diminish, like experiences and food, but it will naturally lead to distancing from what humans find fulfilling and meaningful.
Im also reading this out of context and only read some poorly translated Marx in school over a decade ago. Im hardly a leftist scholar at all.
Oh I also read that comment wrong. I thought Marx was suggesting you should stop engaging with anything that involves capitalism like buying books, eating, and drinking. And instead just fall into a depressive stupor.
Alternatively find entertainment in non-physical activity like reading and writing!
I've gone a whole day without feeling hungry a few times when I decide to just stay in bed the whole day and just read and write fanfiction and nap in between. Quite therapeutic to just give in to sloth once in a while.
I know this really isn't in the spirit of this post but:
Books and movies can be had for free at a library. Many clubs and pubs can be entered for free (not all of course, and the alcohol is expensive). Thinking, loving, theorising, singing are all free.
Money can limit you living your life in some ways but it absolutely won't stop you entirely.
I fully agree with the general sentiment, but using "neither moth nor rust will devour", a expression specifically for non material wealth is kinda stupid of Marx
Then again, that was probably the point of the irony, which means this comment was probably stupid of me.
It’s not about non material wealth, but about permanent wealth. It could be digital currency, but it could also be gold or jewels. Anything that can be trusted to not vanish if kept for long periods of time.
The idea of capital is its items that are permanent and can be applied to future economic activity. It’s a store of economic potential, if I understand correctly.
Nothing can be trusted to keep for long periods of time. If you believe you definitely found one specific thing (gold, jewels, etc), be prepared for this exact thing to suddenly devalue.
Fair, but some things can be trusted more than others. Such as things we know won't physically change much over long periods of time. Hence the line about not being devoured by moths or dust.
Yes if i put a bunch of gold in a box and buried it i can't be sure it will be the same value when i dig it up in 30 years. In fact as you said, it's almost certain it'll change somewhat. But it's value will definetely be preserved more than a box of baked goods.
The original text is saying that the treasure that neither moth nor rust will devour is the treasure stored on heaven, not earth - that is, use your money for Good, don't accumulate it.
Which is the exact point of Marx's text. What he is saying is that accumalating capital, while indeed long lasting and possibly permanent, will kill your soul.
And “original text” is a Bible verse that Marx is quoting, in case people didn’t have that bit of context.
Edit: here it is from the King James version
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth… But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
So the Bible (or Matthew) is using the phrase to refer to heavenly treasures (virtues) rather than earthly treasures (material wealth).
Whereas Marx is arguably using the phrase to refer to more material treasures (capital) rather than things that “feed the soul” (in a secular way).
With that context, he's essentially skewering capitalism by critiquing it as a False God. Substituting "heavenly treasures" as referenced in the Bible, with "Capital" or material wealth; both of which require a form of sacrifice and asceticism, and offer only the promise of benefit in the amorphous "future" (which may not even exist for you)
I’d be petrified to walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death,
I always interpreted that as as I walk through life because it is the valley of the shadow of death, not the Valley of Death.
The shadows are where Death can (might or might not) be found. But, as the passage continues, I fear no evil because you are with me (I'm not alone). It also goes on to say your rod and staff comfort me. (I know you're gonna beat the livin' shit out of anyone that tries to harm me.)
And frankly, you can traverse valleys in Wales on a daily basis. This one in the bible's got nothing on them.
In 1844, Prussian coinage was gold and silver. Silver tarnishes but much more slowly than iron will rust, and it won’t rust through, and gold is incredibly non-reactive.
This is a big factor in the "eccentric wealth" phenomenon. Past a certain point, someone can have enough capital that their happiness, health, and purpose begin to have diminishing returns (or even plateau) even as their ownership grows. It leaves them ripe for boredom, insecurity, egotism, megalomania, even sadism.
The Marx excerpt is literally Ebenezer Scrooge's philosophy: he eats the barest meals, lights a single candle at a time, and spends no money on entertainment, frivolity, or joy. His capital has grown, sure, but at the cost of becoming the miserable man he is.
I went through a bad breakup last year and got a good job that got me out of his house and I just really worked my ass off to try and make my life better.
I just took myself on a 12 day solo vacation to playa del Carmen and I didn’t feel guilt about a single peso spent. Every dumb purchase, all three pairs of sunglasses I lost in three different spots in the ocean, the dresses that will look good on me nowhere but at the waterfront, every gelato and mocha and way too expensive dinner and day “wasted” on Cozumel just for fun, I did it all because I worked for it and it was about damn time I got to enjoy the fruits of my labor.
One of Marx's issues is that he didn't have a concept for quality of time/effort spent in doing something, nor of marginal benefit, nor a method of accounting for public good.
So whilst he's correct that experiencing nothing makes you less of a person - it's not necessarily the case that all acts are equal value, or that simply living more hedonistically makes you a better person.
It can absolutely be the case in various situations that abstaining from a pleasurable experience can make you a better person, whilst simply following whims can reduce your meaning or worth.
I guess it's not surprising, all of his major predictions turned out to be false, but it's funny that he was wrong about relatively minor things like this too.
Me, going to the pub every night and buying swords online: "I'm a Marxist"
your peasant ancestors would be proud LOL
Honestly if you buy swords online your parents should be proud of you too. Honestly they should be proud of you in general for not choking yourself on your life tether when coming out of the womb but also goalposts change sometimes and you gotta deal with that.
By buying swords online.
Hell, I’m proud of you
I mean, buying stuff for your hobby is genuinely a step some people don't want to take even though they have the means and stability to
I love buying nuln oil as a little snack
me drinking an entire pot of nuln oil as a power move (I will die)
Fear not, it's safe to drink! Although it'll probably make you ill, but it won't end you!
no I die because I drank an entire pot of nuln oil and that shits expensive
it's a moral death
They ever fix the new formula? No? Sticking with army painter then.
Idk, I've only been painting for a few months
Ah, it used to be thinner, a more standard wash. And the bottle used to be bigger. Then they changed the formula, made it thicker and more of a panel lining tool than an actual wash in comparison IMO, smaller bottle to boot.
That's fair, I've been pretty happy with it so far but I can see how you would be frustrated if it's changed that much. I'm not actually using it for my current project which is the seraphon spearhead, I'm trying to keep my colours as vibrant as possible for the mighty lizards.
I'm still unlearning this.
My partner and I both grew up pretty poor (relatively). Although I'm better at it than they are, we both still struggle spending money on "nice things". I've gotten better at getting the higher quality version of things I need, but so often I'll see something I love and immediately think "pff, we can't afford that!" Then I have to stop myself and think, no, actually we could easily afford it.
The question is not "do we have enough money for that" but " is that something we're willing to spend money on".
Like I said, I'm still learning this. It's hard. And we're also quite environmentally minded, so we hate buying useless crap. But sometimes it's ok to buy yourself something that you really like, even if it isn't strictly necessary! Add joy to your life!
That’s the spirit!
"buying swords online" YEP, this is THE tumblr community ON reddit
As long as they’re buying actual swords online. Not just art of swords, online.
Yeah. You’re stuck in a capitalist economy, might as well spend money at local buisnesses for food and pay artisans for swords, instead of buying KFC and mall ninja katanas.
Socializing with your fellow man and indulging in a hobby?
I've got the swords, did that make me a triple Marxist?
for optimal budgeting one should alternate months spent in a depressive coma with ones spent in a hyperactive manic episode
I already have bipolar, and my budgeting is still shit
Yeah, manic episodes are famously shit for saving lol
"Yeah, I better buy all the state of the art supplies for this new hobby I'll totally be devoted to forever!"
Now I just don't earn money while I'm depressed and spend all I have when I'm excited lol
My favorite money saving method; Chronic Depression
Being depressed can waste money, too. You order delivery for food, groceries, whatever else so you don’t have to leave your home, and that takes up a lot of money.
That’s one of the things I teach in the classes at my job at a psych center- finances and how they affect and are affected by your mental health.
Some people blow their money on deliveries because they’re too depressed to cook or go get groceries. Some people just collect money because they have no appetite and don’t care about anything. It presents differently for everyone.
The common thing is financial stress in general. Whenever I start the finances group and ask who thinks that financial stress contributed to them being in the hospital, every single person raises their hand. It’s awful.
When I'm sad, and I see tasty food that I can technically afford, budgeting is not one of my priorities.
Same lol. It’s a terrible habit.
Oh neat new saving strategy
I’m not depressive, I’m just a devoted capitalist
A devoted capitalist would be consuming to fight the depression
The way this is worded makes it sound like Marx suggests you can eat and drink books but you should do less of that
The dangers of forgetting an Oxford Comma.
the semi-colon is being used to make a list of lists. a list of things you buy and enjoy, then a list of places you go and enjoy. then a list of activities you enjoy. all listed together as a list of expenditures in the name of leiusure
you're right, but they're saying the first list looks like it's using eat, drink, and buy as interchangeable actions all being performed on books instead of the intended eat [food], drink [beverages, and buy books
like, you know what he means to say, and it's not really worded wrong, but you could also read it another, funnier way if you so choose
Bro, I devour books
What do you mean, the wording was pretty clear? I mean he didn’t outright condemn anything, he was making a depressive picture
I'm trying to figure out how to interpret it any other way. But I think it would involve more context, and I'm not about to read The Literature.
In my words:
The less you read and eat and drink, the more capital (which is ever growing and non-perishable) you acumulate.
The more capital you accumulate, the more alienated from your life (and humanity) you become.
So my interpretation is that the goal of accumulating capital seems logical because it is useful and does not diminish, like experiences and food, but it will naturally lead to distancing from what humans find fulfilling and meaningful.
Im also reading this out of context and only read some poorly translated Marx in school over a decade ago. Im hardly a leftist scholar at all.
"the less you buy books, eat and drink"
Oh I also read that comment wrong. I thought Marx was suggesting you should stop engaging with anything that involves capitalism like buying books, eating, and drinking. And instead just fall into a depressive stupor.
Alternatively find entertainment in non-physical activity like reading and writing!
I've gone a whole day without feeling hungry a few times when I decide to just stay in bed the whole day and just read and write fanfiction and nap in between. Quite therapeutic to just give in to sloth once in a while.
I know this really isn't in the spirit of this post but:
Books and movies can be had for free at a library. Many clubs and pubs can be entered for free (not all of course, and the alcohol is expensive). Thinking, loving, theorising, singing are all free.
Money can limit you living your life in some ways but it absolutely won't stop you entirely.
I fully agree with the general sentiment, but using "neither moth nor rust will devour", a expression specifically for non material wealth is kinda stupid of Marx
Then again, that was probably the point of the irony, which means this comment was probably stupid of me.
It’s not about non material wealth, but about permanent wealth. It could be digital currency, but it could also be gold or jewels. Anything that can be trusted to not vanish if kept for long periods of time.
The idea of capital is its items that are permanent and can be applied to future economic activity. It’s a store of economic potential, if I understand correctly.
Nothing can be trusted to keep for long periods of time. If you believe you definitely found one specific thing (gold, jewels, etc), be prepared for this exact thing to suddenly devalue.
Fair, but some things can be trusted more than others. Such as things we know won't physically change much over long periods of time. Hence the line about not being devoured by moths or dust.
Yes if i put a bunch of gold in a box and buried it i can't be sure it will be the same value when i dig it up in 30 years. In fact as you said, it's almost certain it'll change somewhat. But it's value will definetely be preserved more than a box of baked goods.
I’m kinda stupid. Why is it ironic? I can only see it as capital doesn’t exist materially.
The original text is saying that the treasure that neither moth nor rust will devour is the treasure stored on heaven, not earth - that is, use your money for Good, don't accumulate it.
Which is the exact point of Marx's text. What he is saying is that accumalating capital, while indeed long lasting and possibly permanent, will kill your soul.
I think.
And “original text” is a Bible verse that Marx is quoting, in case people didn’t have that bit of context.
Edit: here it is from the King James version
So the Bible (or Matthew) is using the phrase to refer to heavenly treasures (virtues) rather than earthly treasures (material wealth).
Whereas Marx is arguably using the phrase to refer to more material treasures (capital) rather than things that “feed the soul” (in a secular way).
Marx is also funny as hell so he absolutely doing it deliberately.
Wow, thanks for that. Very cool.
With that context, he's essentially skewering capitalism by critiquing it as a False God. Substituting "heavenly treasures" as referenced in the Bible, with "Capital" or material wealth; both of which require a form of sacrifice and asceticism, and offer only the promise of benefit in the amorphous "future" (which may not even exist for you)
The KJV goes hard as fuck, modern translations kind of lobotomise the Bible as a work of English literature in my opinion.
I’d be petrified to walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, but ‘walking through a dark valley’ is a daily occurrence here in Wales.
I always interpreted that as as I walk through life because it is the valley of the shadow of death, not the Valley of Death.
The shadows are where Death can (might or might not) be found. But, as the passage continues, I fear no evil because you are with me (I'm not alone). It also goes on to say your rod and staff comfort me. (I know you're gonna beat the livin' shit out of anyone that tries to harm me.)
And frankly, you can traverse valleys in Wales on a daily basis. This one in the bible's got nothing on them.
In 1844, Prussian coinage was gold and silver. Silver tarnishes but much more slowly than iron will rust, and it won’t rust through, and gold is incredibly non-reactive.
This is a big factor in the "eccentric wealth" phenomenon. Past a certain point, someone can have enough capital that their happiness, health, and purpose begin to have diminishing returns (or even plateau) even as their ownership grows. It leaves them ripe for boredom, insecurity, egotism, megalomania, even sadism.
And the saddest of them all:
Paying people to boost your path of exile 2 account
Sadder than having to pay a woman to be the mother of your child?
Dude has earned several lifetime demerit badges. And he's not done yet.
Unfortunately, if given money, I will often switch to having a weekly periods of "fuck all consequences, I'm blowing money on fast food and alcohol"
I don’t drink so my reckless purchases of food and drink may be cheaper, follow for more financial advice such as this
Trying to budget and save money in any capacity has me thinking like a robot observing the human race sometimes:
“The human body is so…needy. Needlessly requiring so much sustenance and attention just to barely function.”
Thinking, loving, theorising, and singing are all free.
real, having to stop living to survive is my least favourite part of being poor
Marx never had a job
He lived with his inlaws and mooched of his rich friends
He had a real easy time saving
And here I thought I was good at saving
This is why I'm a broke bitch. I enjoy eating food I didn't cook and shopping for things I didn't make.
Don't like how relatable this is.
The Marx excerpt is literally Ebenezer Scrooge's philosophy: he eats the barest meals, lights a single candle at a time, and spends no money on entertainment, frivolity, or joy. His capital has grown, sure, but at the cost of becoming the miserable man he is.
Marxists discover that money buys goods and services
im 'budgeting' because im not earning, not because im hoarding
I've come to realise, maybe it's not true. The saving money by being at home and doing nothing part
"You will starve surrounded by gold"
I went through a bad breakup last year and got a good job that got me out of his house and I just really worked my ass off to try and make my life better.
I just took myself on a 12 day solo vacation to playa del Carmen and I didn’t feel guilt about a single peso spent. Every dumb purchase, all three pairs of sunglasses I lost in three different spots in the ocean, the dresses that will look good on me nowhere but at the waterfront, every gelato and mocha and way too expensive dinner and day “wasted” on Cozumel just for fun, I did it all because I worked for it and it was about damn time I got to enjoy the fruits of my labor.
what
One of Marx's issues is that he didn't have a concept for quality of time/effort spent in doing something, nor of marginal benefit, nor a method of accounting for public good.
So whilst he's correct that experiencing nothing makes you less of a person - it's not necessarily the case that all acts are equal value, or that simply living more hedonistically makes you a better person.
It can absolutely be the case in various situations that abstaining from a pleasurable experience can make you a better person, whilst simply following whims can reduce your meaning or worth.
I guess it's not surprising, all of his major predictions turned out to be false, but it's funny that he was wrong about relatively minor things like this too.