Besides, "gender dysphoria" cannot be properly defined for a person who has not yet fully defined a gender role (be it gay, straight, bisexual or whatever) for themselves -- and such definition cannot properly begin until puberty -- and those "raging hormones" -- begin to do their thing inside each individual....
I support RFK because I dont hate trans people. I hope they get the actual help and support they need.
For example Im fully convinced that working in soup kitchen or bombing the crap out of narco speedboats can given them a sense of purpose and identity they so desperately need.
Allowing it for adults is exactly how we got to the point of them pushing it on children. You don’t get to draw a line in the sand arbitrarily and hope that your enemy respects it; he won’t. Ban it all.
Exactly. They’re transitioning kids who have no grasp of what it means to be male or female, which is insane. My neighbor’s kid ‘came out as trans’ at age 4, which is fucking retarded. When my oldest was 4, he said he was an owl. He’d flap around the house, hooting in conversation & build nests all over the place. Then up the street, they’re permanently altering all biological functions of their child’s endocrine system based on his 4 year old games.
My oldest thought he was a dog and youngest thought he was a garbage truck! Now they are ten and eight. I’m sorry to inform you all but the 10 year old is not a dog and the eight year old is not a garbage truck and the biggest part- they don’t want to be those things anymore.
Think of all the dumb ideas and things you did when you were a child. Imagine if a responsible adult with a fully developed prefrontal cortex wasn’t there to stop you.
Yes. Minors can't drink, smoke, drive, vote, rent a car or even get a tattoo because their minds are not fully developed. Why should they be able to make a life changing unreversable decision like that?
Exactly! Doctors won’t even tie the tubes of a young woman who has given birth, even if she has multiple children, because she could regret it later. Why would you drastically alter a child’s body.
“If you don’t give me what I want, I am going to kill myself…and it is your fault.” is a manipulation and sure sign of mental illness. Even if you don’t think transgenderism is a mental illness, suicidal ideation/extortion is.
The facts that this is even a discussion in our society proves how mentally ill some liberals are. There is no way a CHILD should have the power to say they want their parts removed.
“Can’t drive, drink, or vote, but sure, they can get life changing surgery.”
It’s crazy and scary how that is a normal, rational thought that some liberals have
I grew up with older brothers in a rural setting. They had so much delicious outdoor freedom that I begged my mom to let me be a boy. I was about 6-7-8. Thank goodness for parents who knew I was simply going through a phase.
Absofuckingluly! Transgender surgery for minors is perverted as far as I'm concerned, especially for children whom haven't hit puberty even. What the absolute fuck has society come to? No I don't live in a bubble, I just think this topic is weird 🤯😭
Yes. Their frontal lobe isn’t even developed yet. I have nothing against trans people. But how do you let a child change their gender. My guess is that most of them regret it a few years after
1000% YES!! Personally I don’t think you should be able to have anything like that done including puberty blockers and hormones till you’re at least 21 and have been thru intense therapy
Yes, I completely agree with RFK because I don't hate trans people. Minors are too young to consent to that major of a decision that has drastic consequences. Wait it out, take the necessary therapy if needed, let them go through the natural puberty cycle to see if it does or doesn't resolve their gender dysphoria, which the vast majority of the time per studies it does resolve the issue. And at 18 years old, there on their own to make their own responsible decisions.
It should not have to be banned ! It should never be done! But yes I totally support him on this !! Surgery should be their choice when their brain has fully developed !!!
I can't even believe this is a thing - yes - of course, but it's a shame he has to do this in the first place.
next is arrest the doctors and parents who abuse these children.
Sorry, but kids shouldn't be getting ANYTHING permanent done to their bodies, also there is not such thing as a "puberty blocker". That infers that you can just turn said puberty back on like a light switch, which is not the case.
I wish that the administration was fighting inflation that's screwing us all instead of pandering to the base on red meat culture war issues that affect almost no one.
Two parents who, agree, have the best interest of their child in mind, should have authority for medical decisions. Though The system should assure informed consent at times.
Doctors should be allowed to refuse dangerous or unethical services. Insurance companies should be allowed to refuse non contracted procedures.
Until medical professionals start doing MRI scans to confirm gender dysphoria in minors, they should wait until they’re adults to make a life altering decision. There’s been studies on gender dysphoria since the 60s which has found that you can see on a scan whether someone’s brain is wired for the opposite sex.
Minors are vulnerable to influence and also experiment with gender expression often so it’s not wise to allow them to make these decisions. Especially when they’re exposed to content regarding transitioning. Adults can transition, children should not
This sub has been completely bogarted by shills. Lots of top users with maga flair are obvious plants: online 24/7, hidden profile, no intelligent posts, all activity is spam or blatant disinformation.
Agreed. Children do not have the same rights. That means medical decisions need to be made by the parents or the state. Are you in favor of eliminating parent rights so the state decides?
If parents are going to be taking in the same propaganda convincing them that it’s okay for children to permanently alter their bodies before their brain finishes developing then that means the parent isn’t informed enough to assist with that decision and it should be the state to step in and educate the parents on what’s right. The same way they had to step in and say “children can’t drink. Children can’t work. Children can’t have tattoos. Children can’t XYZ”
Children can’t have medical transition. Hormones have a purpose in developing youth and that needs to be protected. You can transition as an adult when your brain finishes developing so you can have a healthy transition and well-informed decision. And it would also fall on that person if they decide they regret it, versus it falling on the parent/medical professional if that child grows up to regret it.
A significant number of people think it’s a medical treatment to correct a mismatch between a person’s perception of themeself and their body.
And clearly this has been abused in recent years.
If a person has exhausted all other treatments why should the government decide that certain treatments are ok and others are not?
Obesity is a huge problem in our country. Government suggestions on how people should eat have only made it worse. So should the gov decide which treatments are acceptable for weight loss? Or should individuals and their doctors?
As much as possible, with safeguards, and limits on government, almost all healthcare should be between patient and doctor.
Our congress should discuss those safeguards to protect children. It should not make a blanket ban on transgender surgery. This gives gov too much power in many other areas too.
What commonsense protections could we put in place short of a complete ban? Required mental health counseling with an independent counselor before genitals are cut off? Restricting surgeries for children who’s transgender wishes may be due to depression?
Our legislators should consider everything but not make blanket bans.
I vote Affordability. Why the hell you want this issue to become a federal one just for the next dem administration to impose on red states? The strategy is terrible leave it to the states idiots!
Yes, I don’t hate trans people, but hormonal change is dangerous for a young persons body which is going through a lot of development
And many people changes their minds too. If you’re over 18. it’s on you.
But if you’re under and do it you might regret sometimes. Knew a guy who became trans as a manar or regretted it when I grew older.
Yes, gender dysphoria and that whole thing is too complicated for a child to simply decide
Besides, "gender dysphoria" cannot be properly defined for a person who has not yet fully defined a gender role (be it gay, straight, bisexual or whatever) for themselves -- and such definition cannot properly begin until puberty -- and those "raging hormones" -- begin to do their thing inside each individual....
I support RFK because I dont hate trans people. I hope they get the actual help and support they need.
For example Im fully convinced that working in soup kitchen or bombing the crap out of narco speedboats can given them a sense of purpose and identity they so desperately need.
I think the narco speed boat bombing would be more fun, but the soup kitchen could be a boring little side quest for 2XP
great response i wish people could be this rational on other subs
Are hormone drugs now also banned? The meme (and other reporting I've seen) just says surgery.
Absolutely. This is child abuse.
I came here to say this.
Agreed. I wish there were also limitations for adults, not a full ban, but a mental health check requirement.
Absolutely
Allowing it for adults is exactly how we got to the point of them pushing it on children. You don’t get to draw a line in the sand arbitrarily and hope that your enemy respects it; he won’t. Ban it all.
F yeah.
HECK YES X 1,000,000!
Yes completely and if you don't you're a sick person.
Yes
Without question… yes!
Who the fuck is gonna say no here ? Peak karma farming
This is Reddit, I couldn’t care less what you or anyone who responds like you thinks… does that make you feel better?
My dude ... We're all out here cheering for Trump and someone asks the least controversial question in our community.
Don't you feel like your intelligence is insulted when seeing that kind of question ?
Man walks into a concert hall. "Do you guys like music ?"
Duhh ...
I’m not anyone’s dude… finish school, grow up, and respond like an adult.
Will do my dude, have a good one.
Exactly what I’d expect from a person with your mental awareness.
Wow not even a single lib lurker here to disagree
If you’re too young to give consent to have sex, you’re too young to give consent to change your sex
Exactly. They’re transitioning kids who have no grasp of what it means to be male or female, which is insane. My neighbor’s kid ‘came out as trans’ at age 4, which is fucking retarded. When my oldest was 4, he said he was an owl. He’d flap around the house, hooting in conversation & build nests all over the place. Then up the street, they’re permanently altering all biological functions of their child’s endocrine system based on his 4 year old games.
Your oldest sounds adorable.
My oldest thought he was a dog and youngest thought he was a garbage truck! Now they are ten and eight. I’m sorry to inform you all but the 10 year old is not a dog and the eight year old is not a garbage truck and the biggest part- they don’t want to be those things anymore.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
YES
Yes
In 100 years this shit will be looked back on the same way we view lobotomies there’s no doubt about it.
This.
Think of all the dumb ideas and things you did when you were a child. Imagine if a responsible adult with a fully developed prefrontal cortex wasn’t there to stop you.
Yes. Minors can't drink, smoke, drive, vote, rent a car or even get a tattoo because their minds are not fully developed. Why should they be able to make a life changing unreversable decision like that?
They can’t have a gun, get married or even rent a fucking hotel room but they can permanently alter their biology? Sure, why not? /s
Exactly! Doctors won’t even tie the tubes of a young woman who has given birth, even if she has multiple children, because she could regret it later. Why would you drastically alter a child’s body.
Money!
💯
We don't allow minors to get tattoos.
Or buy alcohol
Yes, minors are not mentally mature enough to make decisionns like this that have long term consequences that are irreversable
Hell Yes. Anything else is criminal neglect ...or child abuse,as a previous comment accurately put it
Yes! Minors can’t smoke, drink or vote so they shouldn’t be allowed to make adult choices about their bodies.
Trans people are mentally ill. I do feel bad for them, but don’t force me to think you are normal and quit mutilating our youth!
“If you don’t give me what I want, I am going to kill myself…and it is your fault.” is a manipulation and sure sign of mental illness. Even if you don’t think transgenderism is a mental illness, suicidal ideation/extortion is.
The facts that this is even a discussion in our society proves how mentally ill some liberals are. There is no way a CHILD should have the power to say they want their parts removed. “Can’t drive, drink, or vote, but sure, they can get life changing surgery.” It’s crazy and scary how that is a normal, rational thought that some liberals have
Yes
Doctors should not perform elective life altering surgery on minors. Period. Any medical professional that does so belongs in prison.
Completely totally entirely
Yes
Hell to the yes, to the yes yes, yes
Yes. They can't consent to underage sex or milktary or gambling. How can they consent to this?
What kind of numb nuts would want trans surgery for minors ? - oh yeah swamp brain so called leaders 🤪
Yes
Absolutely! I have serious concerns about the people who think this is ok.
Wait, the Left said it's not happening. Why are they protesting the ban if it's not happening?
Of course!!!
Yes.
10000% this is child abuse and literally munchausen by proxy
Yes
It should be banned for everyone
Yes!
Yes
Absolutely.
Yes*
Yep
100% YES...it's child abuse
💯
Absolutely support this!
Yes. 1000%
Yes.
I grew up with older brothers in a rural setting. They had so much delicious outdoor freedom that I begged my mom to let me be a boy. I was about 6-7-8. Thank goodness for parents who knew I was simply going through a phase.
Absofuckingluly! Transgender surgery for minors is perverted as far as I'm concerned, especially for children whom haven't hit puberty even. What the absolute fuck has society come to? No I don't live in a bubble, I just think this topic is weird 🤯😭
The trans b.s. needs to end. It's just the next extreme behavior for attention, which has now moved into mutilating children.
Of course I'm against minors being allowed to destroy their lives on a phase. Why is this a question?
Plz!
Yes. Their frontal lobe isn’t even developed yet. I have nothing against trans people. But how do you let a child change their gender. My guess is that most of them regret it a few years after
Yes
Yes
Should this even be a question? Hell yes
Absolutely
easiest thing to get behind. if you oppose... then seriously, seek help.
Yes!!!!!
Should be banned period.
That's child abuse in my opinion
Yes
Yes and I’m not a republican
yep
Yes. If at 18 they want to do it, then go ahead. But keep psycho parents from making that decision for them.
YES YES YES!
It’s not a right vs left thing. Anyone who thinks no is genuinely mentally ill.
Trump should make trans surgery illegal federally.
But that’s just my opinion
YES. 110%.
Probably one of the only points I'll agree with him on.
Yes, I completely support this with minimal question. Children should not be trans considering how these surgeries are literally irreversible.
Yes of course. Only the deranged lemmings of the left could possibly twist their minds into a pretzel to justify what they been doing to children.
Yes. This is a permanent choice. Minors need to wait until they are an adult. People can live however they want too, after they are an adult.
A minor is not old enough to consent. End of story.
I think they should wait until they’re 18
Yes! Now ban it for adults!
Yes!!
Absolutely.
Seems like a no brainer.
YES
Yep
Well duh!
yes
Yes
Absolutely. Should have been illegal in the first place.
YES!
Yes
YES. WHOEVER SAYS NO IS SICK IN THE HEAD
Absolutely! Yes, the same can also be said about puberty blockers
Of course. Someone that young should not be making life-altering decisions that will be with them the rest of their life.
Absolutely, we need to protect kids, not mutilate them.
Yes. It’s grooming.
1000% YES!! Personally I don’t think you should be able to have anything like that done including puberty blockers and hormones till you’re at least 21 and have been thru intense therapy
YES.
Yes, I completely agree with RFK because I don't hate trans people. Minors are too young to consent to that major of a decision that has drastic consequences. Wait it out, take the necessary therapy if needed, let them go through the natural puberty cycle to see if it does or doesn't resolve their gender dysphoria, which the vast majority of the time per studies it does resolve the issue. And at 18 years old, there on their own to make their own responsible decisions.
Absolutely. When people become adults, then they can do whatever they want.
Yes
100%
Yes
Of course, no reasonable person would disagree with it.
Yes. I hate trans. Im sick of this mental delusion. Its an abomination. God hates them... so im good
Yes, it's child abuse.
Yes! Common sense.
Yes
It should not have to be banned ! It should never be done! But yes I totally support him on this !! Surgery should be their choice when their brain has fully developed !!!
I can't even believe this is a thing - yes - of course, but it's a shame he has to do this in the first place. next is arrest the doctors and parents who abuse these children.
Yes
Yes. It's child abuse.
Yes
Yes
Absolute yes. I can’t believe it’s taken this long
Of course. You can't even get a tattoo until 18 or put alcohol into your body until you're 21. This is so ridiculous that it's come this far.
YESSS 100%
parents foisting it are criminal
state/gov/institution foisting it are criminal
destruction of children fits right well with leftist little red book goals and agenda
,
Yes!
100% AGREE!
Abso-fuckin-lutely
They say it's health care...No it's not
It's permanently destroying vocal cords (watch detransition videos and see those horrors)
And messing with puberty.
They try to say it's reversible when it's not.
Kids should be kids
Yes, they can’t even get a drink. This is a no-brainer. But Democrats have no brain and that’s the root of every problem in this country right now.
i support banning so-called "transgender surgery" for everyone
Yes
Sorry, but kids shouldn't be getting ANYTHING permanent done to their bodies, also there is not such thing as a "puberty blocker". That infers that you can just turn said puberty back on like a light switch, which is not the case.
Yes. I don't feel like explaining why banning sex-change surgery for minors is good.
Ban all that shit.
Why the hell would you want minors to be operated on in any capacity other than to save their life. M
This is some sick and twisted sexual experimentation dr Mengele type stuff here.
Yes
Absolutely.... no hate but seriously, 48f here and I didn't truly understand life until I was 20 lol
Yes
Of course I do
Hell yeah!
Absolutely
FUCKING ABSOLUTELY
Absolutely. "Phuck!" The Left Wing Anti America Movement!
Buck Angel and Blaire White talked about this and the agree
Yes I agree with the ban. .. what kind of people mutilate children mostly for profit .. that is not civilization.\nIs not so
Yes
Absolutely YES!!!!
I wish that the administration was fighting inflation that's screwing us all instead of pandering to the base on red meat culture war issues that affect almost no one.
The administration can do more than one thing at a time.
No.
Two parents who, agree, have the best interest of their child in mind, should have authority for medical decisions. Though The system should assure informed consent at times.
Doctors should be allowed to refuse dangerous or unethical services. Insurance companies should be allowed to refuse non contracted procedures.
Parents should be suable for negligence or abuse.
Until medical professionals start doing MRI scans to confirm gender dysphoria in minors, they should wait until they’re adults to make a life altering decision. There’s been studies on gender dysphoria since the 60s which has found that you can see on a scan whether someone’s brain is wired for the opposite sex.
Minors are vulnerable to influence and also experiment with gender expression often so it’s not wise to allow them to make these decisions. Especially when they’re exposed to content regarding transitioning. Adults can transition, children should not
Got the wrong flair.
This sub has been completely bogarted by shills. Lots of top users with maga flair are obvious plants: online 24/7, hidden profile, no intelligent posts, all activity is spam or blatant disinformation.
Parental rights has always been a conservative issue.
Transitioning is stupid but I’m more in favor of rights.
Children don’t have the same rights as adults until they turn 18. And that should be protected
Agreed. Children do not have the same rights. That means medical decisions need to be made by the parents or the state. Are you in favor of eliminating parent rights so the state decides?
If parents are going to be taking in the same propaganda convincing them that it’s okay for children to permanently alter their bodies before their brain finishes developing then that means the parent isn’t informed enough to assist with that decision and it should be the state to step in and educate the parents on what’s right. The same way they had to step in and say “children can’t drink. Children can’t work. Children can’t have tattoos. Children can’t XYZ”
Children can’t have medical transition. Hormones have a purpose in developing youth and that needs to be protected. You can transition as an adult when your brain finishes developing so you can have a healthy transition and well-informed decision. And it would also fall on that person if they decide they regret it, versus it falling on the parent/medical professional if that child grows up to regret it.
Should two parents be able to let a minor get a tattoo?
As a medical treatment. Yes.
In fact, people getting radiation therapy get tattoos to guide the radiation.
But when it's purely cosmetic?
If the legislature has a good reason to ban it then yes.
I'm agreeing it should be illegal. Because those surgeries are purely cosmetic
I think they probably are most of the time.
A significant number of people think it’s a medical treatment to correct a mismatch between a person’s perception of themeself and their body.
And clearly this has been abused in recent years.
If a person has exhausted all other treatments why should the government decide that certain treatments are ok and others are not?
Obesity is a huge problem in our country. Government suggestions on how people should eat have only made it worse. So should the gov decide which treatments are acceptable for weight loss? Or should individuals and their doctors?
As much as possible, with safeguards, and limits on government, almost all healthcare should be between patient and doctor.
Our congress should discuss those safeguards to protect children. It should not make a blanket ban on transgender surgery. This gives gov too much power in many other areas too.
What commonsense protections could we put in place short of a complete ban? Required mental health counseling with an independent counselor before genitals are cut off? Restricting surgeries for children who’s transgender wishes may be due to depression?
Our legislators should consider everything but not make blanket bans.
Because you don't let minors make permanent life altering changes.
You wouldn't let a 5 year old get breast implants, or smoke, or vote, or get a tattoo, or drive, or drink, or join the military.
Anybody who would allow a minor to make a decision like that is a child abuser
Which is why from the beginning I said it was the parents who make the decision!
Parents shouldn't be making decisions to physically or chemically change their child for life either.
If I decided I wanted my 8 year old child to have face tattoos and gauged ears would you be ok with that?
What if I decided I don't want my son or daughter to have kids when they get older and I wanted them to be castrated. Would that be ok?
That's really bizarre
Dude you are a troll
I vote Affordability. Why the hell you want this issue to become a federal one just for the next dem administration to impose on red states? The strategy is terrible leave it to the states idiots!