On a slide titled "Understanding the patient cohort (3)" there's a triangle split into 4 triangles. Top says "It's ACEs, trauma, confusion about sexual orientation." Bottom-left says "It's all social contagion," bottom right says "they are all born trans," middle says "DON'T OVER SIMPLIFY IT'S COMPLICATED" (I matched their capitalisation) Cass is screensharing.
And Cass's 's username is literally "CASS, Baroness" Geez she's pathetic.
It's actually because Imgur was found to be exploiting under-13s' data by allowing them to sign up for accounts and, instead of preventing them from doing this, they decided to block all UK access to Imgur. I'll agree there's lots of shitty legislation, but this one is purely Imgur being shite.
it should work with a VPN browsing from elsewhere.
Imgur also block a lot of VPN endpoints, but do some juggling around and you should quickly find one that works. Using NordVPN, I've found American endpoints tend to have the most success (likely simply because of just how many there are of them), but my preferred Irish endpoints still have some good ones that haven't been caught.
what the heck is that bar chart at the bottom meant to represent? going by the colours, it starts on 50% born trans 50% complicated, and ends on “it’s all ACEs”… like what
Why is a retired doctor with specialist knowledge in paediatrics and autism but no clinical experience with gender care involved as an advisor for gender services?
I know ... After all, frankly this country has had enough of experts, but not enough of genocidal maniacs.
For the same reason in Ireland, the lead doctors in charge of the Irish national gender service, is an endocrinologist with no past certification in trans healthcare, and a doctor that treats childhood obesity from a private catholic hospital. Basically in the UK and Ireland the whole gender services were never taken back from the church so all the shit doctors running these clinics have direct ties to either the catholic or protestant church and have been at this job for over 50 years completely unopposed.
I am at the 49:18 mark. I skipped most of her review of her report. The service model appears agnostic to the child's path. I seriously wonder. Only time will tell as people participate and report their experiences.
She wrote the whole report. Meaning, her mental framing of this trans health was fundamental. She clearly uncomfortable speaking about full medical transition. However, she almost described the thought of banning trans women, who have used these facilities unnoticed for years, from female bathrooms as unconscionable.
In the middle of all this she goes off on a rant about adolescents and the internet while speaking about trans kids. This is so fucked. It's the same story from the 1970's. WoW, aren't these times crazy! Just look, kids are deciding they are transgender. She just can't feel comfortable with trans kids..
She is a boomer liberal with all of that baggage. Her report is a result of her own biases. I am happy that most other medical organizations decided not to follow her recommendations.
Finished the remainder.
I am an in my 50's. I knew I was possibly a trans woman since age 3ish. I have been consuming trans culture in some form ever since, The knowledge often served to build my own egg. Back before WPATH, doctors had to prove we exist with sound medicine. They gatekept access. Fear of this helped build my own egg.
Her report and the political climate in the UK is scaring trans kids for a generation. The protests are giving them hope.
She wants to collect the highest quality of data to improve health care for trans and trans questioning children. She says.
My old bone fears tells me the data will be used against us! The service model will be used against us. The UK political climate will use the data against us. That her report is only window dressing to the UK's gender critical goal of a gendered apartheid leading to a quite genocide,
She is so reductive about the perspective of young trans people and their families. I don't see how she can act so indignant about people saying she didn't speak to trans people when she hasn't demonstrated the ability to actually listen to the nuances of the answers.
It was specifically the anonymous viewer who recorded this video (TKDB themselves) who wrote in the chat that TKDB was an extremist group. The host just read out the question.
To note - Cass did not refute this, but instead described TKDB as scaring young people with their 'die-in' at in front of Streeting's office. One staff member in chat also specifically criticised TKDB for referring to themselves as 'extremist', lol.
It’s political football a distraction technique which has been done on purpose she’s been brought and paid for by the state to carry out this act just like the current Prime Minister has been brought and paid for by the state to shoulder the blame to give the illusion of democracy lololol
It's so wild how an entire field of medicine is close to being essentially abolished on a pretence about as flimsy as "but what if they are just doing it for attention?".
Like ofc deep down I knew it was like that, but hearing them just deliver the standard assortment of "dumb cis person who reckons they have some ground breaking ideas about how those strange trans people work" opinions ....as the official reasons to not let actual specialists and patients make decisions about their healthcare is..... wild.
I'm so fucking angry?
It would be like abolishing all mental health support- all of it- for depression, because you reckon depressed people are making it up, and they could all be sorted out quick sharp with a simple "cheer up mate, it's not so bad".
This approach should be mandated to be applied to all forms of depress, from Postpartum depression to Bipolar disorder- and we shouldn't get a specialist's opinion before doing it.
"What do you say about suicidality amongst trans kids?"
"Well uhm yeah but uhm you see, so, well there's these tech bros on X.com with Elon musk and you see, they post videos of (Muslims) beheading people thats pretty bad, young people are getting depressed seeing that wity too much screen time... and oh I chatted to a person from new York and they said im really good at my job and are impressed with my work, oh and my coworkers all like me, we get on really well. "
"But do you think more funding should be given towards suicide watch and care?"
"Well uhm this is the thing you know, these young kids are worried about getting surgeries they will regret later in life. They want to go slow, like really slow. Like really really slow, so the waitlist of 10 years is actually a good thing probably".
What an absolute Crone, a leather handbag and a vile witch. Just everything she spews is riddled in dog whistles, fallacies and so much hearsay.
Not verbatim but a lot of vague answers devoid of any substance presented as plausible or likely, like it's probably social media and mental health making people trans, and covid might be to blame too. The subtext throughout was that being transgender or having gender dysphoria as children is more likely than not conditioned one way or another and that people should be delayed for as long as possible, ..."because there are ways of being trans without taking medical treatments too!". Completely tone deaf. This woman is hardly even a paediatrician. She's a fucking politician.
Do we know who the person recording this called "Anne Smith" is? They asked an awful question about TKDB which suggests they are either a transphobe or are giving Cass a leading question to expose her.
They have provided the full meeting recording over on Bsky. Does anybody have a breakdown of it?
https://bsky.app/profile/whatthetrans.com/post/3mah2qw7ozk2f
💜🖤 thanks
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Did you see the horrific graphic she featured at 14:20 of the full interview? Literally r/transgendercirclejerk material.
https://imgur.com/a/dJ7BJm8
The graphic in question for those who are struggling to watch the vid
UK sub, without VPNs imgur isn't accessible here.
For everyone not wanting to deal with the vid:
On a slide titled "Understanding the patient cohort (3)" there's a triangle split into 4 triangles. Top says "It's ACEs, trauma, confusion about sexual orientation." Bottom-left says "It's all social contagion," bottom right says "they are all born trans," middle says "DON'T OVER SIMPLIFY IT'S COMPLICATED" (I matched their capitalisation) Cass is screensharing.
And Cass's 's username is literally "CASS, Baroness" Geez she's pathetic.
Very complicated system they've set up there. The Baroness needs prison.
yet more genius legislation from the government of this shithole country.
It's actually because Imgur was found to be exploiting under-13s' data by allowing them to sign up for accounts and, instead of preventing them from doing this, they decided to block all UK access to Imgur. I'll agree there's lots of shitty legislation, but this one is purely Imgur being shite.
the people who used to run Imgur sold up to a horrible AI data-scraping company a couple years ago. It isn't the same company it used to be.
They chose to abuse the data and used the Online Safety Act as an excuse to deflect the blame onto the Government. And it worked.
Can't post images in the comments however.
If you want to see the image without using a VPN, the timestamp is 14:20, the video is here
actually even more annoying cause imgur blocks most vpn nodes too
Still seems to work through the Opera Mobile VPNs, cross fingers.
Goodness. Is Cass a 4trans poster or something?
Mumsnet addict. May such cases 😔
(Typed this out as a joke, but honestly I'd be more surprised if she didn't have an account than if she did)
Her rhetoric is way too specific for her not to be a proper Mumsnet devotee.
This image is broken for me even on a vpn, and now the Proton video won't load 💀
imgur started blocking access to the UK from September 30th. it should work with a VPN browsing from elsewhere. this should work though hopefully
Imgur also block a lot of VPN endpoints, but do some juggling around and you should quickly find one that works. Using NordVPN, I've found American endpoints tend to have the most success (likely simply because of just how many there are of them), but my preferred Irish endpoints still have some good ones that haven't been caught.
ProtonVPN user here, I pretty much exclusively use endpoints in Switzerland (where Proton is based) and have no problems accessing content on Imgur.
what the heck is that bar chart at the bottom meant to represent? going by the colours, it starts on 50% born trans 50% complicated, and ends on “it’s all ACEs”… like what
I think that might just be a decorative border from the slide theme, very professional and scientific as it is
I think it's just part of the slide "prettiness" and whoever put the slides together was working with a limited colour pallete.
Proton drive often has issues on mobile. Are you on desktop?
May be due to mobile, yeah. I'll try on desktop later
“Don’t oversimplify”, said the oversimplify everything graph
Christ this is incriminating. Cass needs to be held to account for her crimes
Prison time. For every trans kid that has died because of that disgusting vermin's lies.
I don't see how this is incriminating? I don't think she says all that much she hasn't already said publicly
Why is a retired doctor with specialist knowledge in paediatrics and autism but no clinical experience with gender care involved as an advisor for gender services?
I know ... After all, frankly this country has had enough of experts, but not enough of genocidal maniacs.
For the same reason in Ireland, the lead doctors in charge of the Irish national gender service, is an endocrinologist with no past certification in trans healthcare, and a doctor that treats childhood obesity from a private catholic hospital. Basically in the UK and Ireland the whole gender services were never taken back from the church so all the shit doctors running these clinics have direct ties to either the catholic or protestant church and have been at this job for over 50 years completely unopposed.
Conversion therapy survivor here. I'm with this person. Doctors who believe in God do horrible things in Her name.
Secretaries of State for Health too.
dontcha know, being trans is just being autistic and confused! /s lolsob
I am at the 49:18 mark. I skipped most of her review of her report. The service model appears agnostic to the child's path. I seriously wonder. Only time will tell as people participate and report their experiences.
She wrote the whole report. Meaning, her mental framing of this trans health was fundamental. She clearly uncomfortable speaking about full medical transition. However, she almost described the thought of banning trans women, who have used these facilities unnoticed for years, from female bathrooms as unconscionable.
In the middle of all this she goes off on a rant about adolescents and the internet while speaking about trans kids. This is so fucked. It's the same story from the 1970's. WoW, aren't these times crazy! Just look, kids are deciding they are transgender. She just can't feel comfortable with trans kids..
She is a boomer liberal with all of that baggage. Her report is a result of her own biases. I am happy that most other medical organizations decided not to follow her recommendations.
Finished the remainder.
I am an in my 50's. I knew I was possibly a trans woman since age 3ish. I have been consuming trans culture in some form ever since, The knowledge often served to build my own egg. Back before WPATH, doctors had to prove we exist with sound medicine. They gatekept access. Fear of this helped build my own egg.
Her report and the political climate in the UK is scaring trans kids for a generation. The protests are giving them hope.
She wants to collect the highest quality of data to improve health care for trans and trans questioning children. She says.
My old bone fears tells me the data will be used against us! The service model will be used against us. The UK political climate will use the data against us. That her report is only window dressing to the UK's gender critical goal of a gendered apartheid leading to a quite genocide,
hear hear. “the internet is turning kids trans!” certainly does remind me of “dnd is turning kids into satanists” in a way
Same people saying both.
She is so reductive about the perspective of young trans people and their families. I don't see how she can act so indignant about people saying she didn't speak to trans people when she hasn't demonstrated the ability to actually listen to the nuances of the answers.
i wonder if she thinks she knows what they’d say and thus “doesn’t need to talk to any” :(
I went to the link in chat.
there is a critique of the Cass review in chat the whole video 😂 Is it ever commented on.
Sent at 11 minutes.
A second critique is posted in chat later at 29:42.
I didn't find either being commented on- at least in detail. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I couldn't watch the whole thing.
38:51 The host of the call calls TKDB an "Extremist Group" in chat that is awful language
It was specifically the anonymous viewer who recorded this video (TKDB themselves) who wrote in the chat that TKDB was an extremist group. The host just read out the question.
To note - Cass did not refute this, but instead described TKDB as scaring young people with their 'die-in' at in front of Streeting's office. One staff member in chat also specifically criticised TKDB for referring to themselves as 'extremist', lol.
So that suggests it was leaked by a transphobe and downloaded by a trans advocacy person. Wild!
the video was taken directly by us 🤭
TKDB are doing the Lord's work. Courageous people.
We're always looking for more help. If you have the time to join as an adult supporter, please do ❤
https://transkidsdeservebetter.org
Genuine heroes.
It’s political football a distraction technique which has been done on purpose she’s been brought and paid for by the state to carry out this act just like the current Prime Minister has been brought and paid for by the state to shoulder the blame to give the illusion of democracy lololol
Everything about this is extremely creepy.
First off, a creepy woman rationalising withholding life saving treatment using blatant lies.
good job to those involved for documenting this... shite. (politely).
i have no words for how horrific what 'baron' cass is trying to portray
even her speaking ability on the 'expert' matter is utterly subpar.
I'm not sure how to myself right now but I hope people are making copies of this in the event it gets taken down
Anyone who's watched the full vid will have a local copy, because it's on a file host not a streaming service.
I put my copy next to my clip of Charlie Kirk getting exactly what he said he wanted.
In a just world and country, this would be enough to discredit and scrap the entire review, and would be headline news.
Of course, since we don't live in either of those, I'm going to assume no one is going to give a shit.
Can someone re-mirror this? The Proton link suddenly stopped working for me, download just hangs at 0%
Did they actually spend any time about the service model or was this all about Hillary Cass defending herself and her study?
I've seen a slide of 5 "possible pathways" posted here.
https://bsky.app/profile/nightkristina.bsky.social/post/3mahhw7w7oc2z
I saw that in the video, but it just seems to be her ideas of potential outcomes rather than an actual service model.
It's so wild how an entire field of medicine is close to being essentially abolished on a pretence about as flimsy as "but what if they are just doing it for attention?".
Like ofc deep down I knew it was like that, but hearing them just deliver the standard assortment of "dumb cis person who reckons they have some ground breaking ideas about how those strange trans people work" opinions ....as the official reasons to not let actual specialists and patients make decisions about their healthcare is..... wild.
I'm so fucking angry?
It would be like abolishing all mental health support- all of it- for depression, because you reckon depressed people are making it up, and they could all be sorted out quick sharp with a simple "cheer up mate, it's not so bad".
This approach should be mandated to be applied to all forms of depress, from Postpartum depression to Bipolar disorder- and we shouldn't get a specialist's opinion before doing it.
tbh it really, really, REALLY reminds me of the ways research into chronic fatigue was messed up.
for a long time they were insisting it was just in people’s heads and can be cured with a positive attitude and a bit of exercise :(
we’re only just beginning to get out of 50 years of that orthodoxy.
"What do you say about suicidality amongst trans kids?"
"Well uhm yeah but uhm you see, so, well there's these tech bros on X.com with Elon musk and you see, they post videos of (Muslims) beheading people thats pretty bad, young people are getting depressed seeing that wity too much screen time... and oh I chatted to a person from new York and they said im really good at my job and are impressed with my work, oh and my coworkers all like me, we get on really well. "
"But do you think more funding should be given towards suicide watch and care?"
"Well uhm this is the thing you know, these young kids are worried about getting surgeries they will regret later in life. They want to go slow, like really slow. Like really really slow, so the waitlist of 10 years is actually a good thing probably".
What an absolute Crone, a leather handbag and a vile witch. Just everything she spews is riddled in dog whistles, fallacies and so much hearsay.
Is that verbatim?
Not verbatim but a lot of vague answers devoid of any substance presented as plausible or likely, like it's probably social media and mental health making people trans, and covid might be to blame too. The subtext throughout was that being transgender or having gender dysphoria as children is more likely than not conditioned one way or another and that people should be delayed for as long as possible, ..."because there are ways of being trans without taking medical treatments too!". Completely tone deaf. This woman is hardly even a paediatrician. She's a fucking politician.
as if someone nonbinary who was happy socially transitioning without HRT would even bother with a referral
Remember the week they were blaming Mengele?
Also curious, because if it is that's more mask-off than I expected.
This is extremely incriminating towards Cass and her clear ideological way of thinking; She’s part of the cult.
Do we know who the person recording this called "Anne Smith" is? They asked an awful question about TKDB which suggests they are either a transphobe or are giving Cass a leading question to expose her.