For people who still use the old reddit layout (old.reddit.com), this pinned thread replaces the second pinned announcement regarding WTT's protest list - for anyone looking for that, you can find it here:
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I have just donated a sizeable sum to GLP to support this action. A successful declaration of incompatibility under Article 8 in the High Court would be a significant step towards pushing for properly updated equalities legislation in the UK.
For those who have donated to GLP and are also looking to donate to trans charities that are providing day to day support to trans community, what are the best charities / places to donate to right now?
Yes, this is how fundraisers on that site work - it's designed to incentivise people to continue donating, particularly to projects (like this one) that have no set funding requirement.
GLP will likely burn through all of this desperately quickly, if it hires top-flight lawyers.
Is it possible to add the TransLucent funder as well? Both organisations are mounting separate legal actions and let's be absolutely clear, the community needs organisational support as much as the amazing marches, protests and actions.
It's also worth mentioning the crowdfunder for the legal case brought by Victoria McCloud to challenge the Supreme Court's refusal to hear her evidence.
At this point, the situation isn’t one that charities will be able to do anything about. The issue is fundamentally legal - there’s no choice but to fight it through the courts.
But the Good Law Project cannot get that legal recognition. Their legal challenges keep failing again and again. The only route to legal recognition is by persuading parliament to legislate for trans rights. Obviously that’s going to be really hard, but these legal cases are a dead end.
Parliament is also a dead end, under these conditions. Every major party is either fully in support of restrictions on trans rights, or has been cowed to a point where they refuse to put up a fight.
There's no other realistic option available in the short to medium term.
The Good Law Project is asking the High Court for a ‘declaration of incompatibility.’ This is just a statement from the court that the current law is incompatible with human rights.
This declaration does not change the law. The change still has to come from Parliament. The Government has ignored declarations of incompatibility before, like on prisoners voting rights.
So even if the Good Law Project wins this case, which they don’t have a good track record of doing, actual legal change would still need to come from Parliament.
In my opinion the Good Law Project aren’t being honest about what they can achieve with these legal challenges.
There is, unfortunately, not much else in the way of legal avenues available outside a long march through the courts to the ECHR - which they are also, simultaneously, aiming at making happen.
A declaration of incompatibility would provide political ammunition that we sorely need under these circumstances - it's ridiculous to imply that it's somehow deceptive to push for that, while simultaneously suggesting that the political route should be taken without it.
I don't think it's unreasonable to look at the biases against us in parliament and our legal system; compare (300k on possible political ammunition) against (300k on definite surgery, rent, and hrt); and conclude the latter is the better option.
I don't know what the better use of money is, but people donating to GLP are not spending that money on existing charities and mutual aid funds. When the GLP have a history of "we should have won, but didn't", putting so many eggs in that basket might not be the best move. I don't know...
I don't think it's unreasonable to look at the biases against us in parliament and our legal system; compare (300k on possible political ammunition) against (300k on definite surgery, rent, and hrt); and conclude the latter is the better option.
Given the choice between the costs of a few dozen trans people getting surgery and the only real shot that's available to do something about the structural and institutional issues causing the boot to slam down on all of our necks, I'd say the latter's a vastly more important route to pursue.
There's a bit of a tendency to romanticise the level of impact that mutual aid can actually have - I've done my fair share of mutual aid stuff myself, but I've also seen trans "mutual aid" organisations essentially piss donations up the wall at scale (or worse, take the money and do calamitously inadvisable things with it). Presenting this as a straight choice between an unreasonable non-starter (GLP) and some necessarily better (abstract, non-specified) mutual aid endeavour is a silly way of framing it - you're very much missing the forest for the trees here.
Except I'm very much not presenting it as a straight choice, given I said "I don't think it's unreasonable...", "I don't know what the better use...", "might not be", and "I don't know...".
I'm saying (x is an understandable point of view), not (x is absolutely right and LocutusOfBorges is a moron for thinking otherwise).
Maybe don't misrepresent what I'm saying? Thats a silly way of talking with someone - You're very much missing the actual conversation for the strawman here.
Donating to mermaids is not the one: they were founded by cis people as a support group for cis parents of trans kids, which is not inherently bad, but elevates cis voices above trans voices; they're a charity and the charity commission stops them handing out binders and mermaids won't switch to a CIC because they're afraid of loosing funding; being a charity also means they can't criticise the state - look at mermaid's statement about the cass report, which is shit. If you wanna support trans kids specifically then donate to trans kids deserve better.
For people who still use the old reddit layout (old.reddit.com), this pinned thread replaces the second pinned announcement regarding WTT's protest list - for anyone looking for that, you can find it here:
List of upcoming anti-supreme court ruling protest demos - feeling angry, scared or worried? Come along!
Everyone else (mobile app, new reddit/sh.reddit.com) will see the three pinned threads at the top of the subreddit's front page as Community Highlights - apologies for any confusion!
When I first checked this project earlier today it was at £13k - now it's over £55k!! Good job and keep going! <3
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Can't believe i have to pay for my rights 😒
Britain has always had the finest justice that money can buy. Up to now, the TERFs have had the deeper pockets.
We also have the finest politicians that money can buy, elsewise political donations wouldn't be a thing.
Any amount helps, and this will syphon were more money than possible to collect, it's just the reality of it.
Already donated to the other fundraiser, I'll make sure to donate once I get paid!!
If only we only had <person> levels of money we could use to support causes like this :(
Perhaps some of the many celebrities who publicly declare support for trans rights could be persuaded to dig deep?
I have just donated a sizeable sum to GLP to support this action. A successful declaration of incompatibility under Article 8 in the High Court would be a significant step towards pushing for properly updated equalities legislation in the UK.
Now at £91k. Let’s try and get it to £100k. Only 2,500 donations so far. Surely we can do better than that.
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Needs to be higher though
For those who have donated to GLP and are also looking to donate to trans charities that are providing day to day support to trans community, what are the best charities / places to donate to right now?
Five for Five donate directly to trans women and transfems.
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Yes, this is how fundraisers on that site work - it's designed to incentivise people to continue donating, particularly to projects (like this one) that have no set funding requirement.
GLP will likely burn through all of this desperately quickly, if it hires top-flight lawyers.
Is it possible to add the TransLucent funder as well? Both organisations are mounting separate legal actions and let's be absolutely clear, the community needs organisational support as much as the amazing marches, protests and actions.
Bin the EHRC Single Sex Guidance
It's also worth mentioning the crowdfunder for the legal case brought by Victoria McCloud to challenge the Supreme Court's refusal to hear her evidence.
https://www.translegalclinic.com/post/mccloud-v-uk-european-court-of-human-rights
The Good Law Project keep losing all their legal cases. Probably more useful to donate to a charity that help trans people
At this point, the situation isn’t one that charities will be able to do anything about. The issue is fundamentally legal - there’s no choice but to fight it through the courts.
There is no framework to ‘challenge’ a Supreme Court ruling, the ECHR farce is bound to fail like most of Jolyon’s challenges
Sorry, but the only way to secure our rights in this matter is with legal recognition.
But the Good Law Project cannot get that legal recognition. Their legal challenges keep failing again and again. The only route to legal recognition is by persuading parliament to legislate for trans rights. Obviously that’s going to be really hard, but these legal cases are a dead end.
Parliament is also a dead end, under these conditions. Every major party is either fully in support of restrictions on trans rights, or has been cowed to a point where they refuse to put up a fight.
There's no other realistic option available in the short to medium term.
The Good Law Project is asking the High Court for a ‘declaration of incompatibility.’ This is just a statement from the court that the current law is incompatible with human rights.
This declaration does not change the law. The change still has to come from Parliament. The Government has ignored declarations of incompatibility before, like on prisoners voting rights.
So even if the Good Law Project wins this case, which they don’t have a good track record of doing, actual legal change would still need to come from Parliament.
In my opinion the Good Law Project aren’t being honest about what they can achieve with these legal challenges.
There is, unfortunately, not much else in the way of legal avenues available outside a long march through the courts to the ECHR - which they are also, simultaneously, aiming at making happen.
A declaration of incompatibility would provide political ammunition that we sorely need under these circumstances - it's ridiculous to imply that it's somehow deceptive to push for that, while simultaneously suggesting that the political route should be taken without it.
Yeah, we know. The UK is set up to make it very hard to go against Westminster legally.
The Supreme Court is not the government and it’s independent
Not in the UK.
The judiciary is independent lol if it wasn’t there wouldn’t be so many deportations overturned for ridiculous reasons
They've currently raised £300,000.
I don't think it's unreasonable to look at the biases against us in parliament and our legal system; compare (300k on possible political ammunition) against (300k on definite surgery, rent, and hrt); and conclude the latter is the better option.
I don't know what the better use of money is, but people donating to GLP are not spending that money on existing charities and mutual aid funds. When the GLP have a history of "we should have won, but didn't", putting so many eggs in that basket might not be the best move. I don't know...
Given the choice between the costs of a few dozen trans people getting surgery and the only real shot that's available to do something about the structural and institutional issues causing the boot to slam down on all of our necks, I'd say the latter's a vastly more important route to pursue.
There's a bit of a tendency to romanticise the level of impact that mutual aid can actually have - I've done my fair share of mutual aid stuff myself, but I've also seen trans "mutual aid" organisations essentially piss donations up the wall at scale (or worse, take the money and do calamitously inadvisable things with it). Presenting this as a straight choice between an unreasonable non-starter (GLP) and some necessarily better (abstract, non-specified) mutual aid endeavour is a silly way of framing it - you're very much missing the forest for the trees here.
Except I'm very much not presenting it as a straight choice, given I said "I don't think it's unreasonable...", "I don't know what the better use...", "might not be", and "I don't know...".
I'm saying (x is an understandable point of view), not (x is absolutely right and LocutusOfBorges is a moron for thinking otherwise).
Maybe don't misrepresent what I'm saying? Thats a silly way of talking with someone - You're very much missing the actual conversation for the strawman here.
I'm open and interested to hear critiques of GLP.
Donating to mermaids is not the one: they were founded by cis people as a support group for cis parents of trans kids, which is not inherently bad, but elevates cis voices above trans voices; they're a charity and the charity commission stops them handing out binders and mermaids won't switch to a CIC because they're afraid of loosing funding; being a charity also means they can't criticise the state - look at mermaid's statement about the cass report, which is shit. If you wanna support trans kids specifically then donate to trans kids deserve better.
Thanks, I didn’t know that. Have removed my reference to them