a type of shuttleless loom in which a high-velocity jet of water is used as the propulsion medium to carry the weft yarn across the warp shed during each pick
In the second scene, looking down on the machine with the pink separators, you can see it pushing the weft into a little scissor mechanism on the right. Easier to see if you slow down the video.
according to the wiki these type of looms are notably quiet. still, with that many running at once, the noise has to be substantial, but i’ll bet it’s not deafening
Los Angeles smog or brown smog, is a type of air pollution that forms when ultraviolet (UV) light from the sun reacts with nitrogen oxides (and volatile organic compounds (VOCs) in the atmosphere. It is a complex mixture of primary and secondary pollutants that appears as a brownish haze over urban areas with warm, sunny, and dry climates.
0The primary ingredients for photochemical smog come mainly from the combustion of fossil fuels in vehicles, power plants, and industrial processes.
Primary Pollutants: The main precursors are nitrogen oxides and VOCs
Energy Source: Intense sunlight provides the energy to drive the chemical reactions.
Secondary Pollutants: The reactions produce harmful secondary pollutants, including ground-level ozone
These are jet looms and they are notable quiet. The old shuttle looms could be very pound and standing in a factory of those running was loud. Hearing protection loud.
I've never been in a factory with this type of loom, but I've been in rooms with dozens of needle/rapier/air jet looms running at incredibly high speeds and it's very loud. So many moving parts clanking around. Awesome visual for anyone mechanically inclined though.
We visited the Toyota technology museum a couple years ago and they ran a bunch of the looms for us. They are surprisingly quiet considering the speed at which parts are accelerating and decelerating.
I'm also concerned about the visible particulate in the air. Sure a lot of that is probably humidity, but at least some of it is probably stuff you don't want to breathe.
making a living will slowly kill you, but this factory looks cleaner then most I've been in, cutting-oil smog and grinder dust are far nastier on your lungs
this post is giving me low-key existential shock this morning. like…the scale is awesome and overwhelming. nobody who’s never had exposure to large-scale manufacturing would ever imagine a weaving facility this massive. then you think about how this is just a small portion of the fabric manufactured every year around the world. real fuckin mind glitcher shit.
the scale of everything is like this, even social dynamics; the world is too vast and complex to understand as a whole
mushrooms what opened the door for me to recognize how much greater the world i exist in is than i can fully comprehend. without them i might still live under the assumption that the world should care about my opinions
This! I have a sign on my office wall “Nobody Cares About Your Feelings” - it’s saved me from making an ass of myself many times. Mushrooms taught me this, put plainly to me during a trip. It reads like pitiful, but it is quite a relief once it settles in.
Mushrooms make it more fun lol, but if you plopped me down on mushrooms and showed me this video I'm not sure i'd have any unique insights into the unfathomable scale of global manufacturing lol.
Mushrooms dissolve the ego and that gives you time to think without the usual constraints that your identity and sense of self impose. It's no guarantee that you'll get a broader perspective, but it definitely helps - and if you have some kind of philosophical epiphany from it, I find it lasts and retains it's meaning afterwards even when the rest of the brain comes back online.
I think this is one of the reasons it's seeing effective use in treating depression and some other psych issues, a break from self-identifying is a break from self-identified problems, and that perspective shift can give you new philosophical tools to re-use when you're sober.
Obligatory disclaimer: I am not a doctor and I am not telling you its safe to use mushrooms.
You'd think we have enough clothing. What happened to long lasting clothes. As a man I've purchased a few new items of clothing in the past 5 years. My girlfriend on the other hand buys new shit every week.
To be fair I’ve heard that there are normally people observing and fixing the looms. That were asked to step away for the zoomed out clips, if they’re even real and not ai.
With all that water and fog, I guess the threat of fire is greatly reduced. When I was a kid in the 1990s (SEA), I used to play with my aunt's loom (also owned by my grandmother before her) (fills a small dedicated room in her house, wooden frame and parts, operates with either foot pedals or electric motor, the smooth little wooden shuttle has its two tips reinforced with steel cones and it gets punted left and right by small wooden hammer mechanism), and the amount of fibre dust and lint was quite significant. My aunt let me gather some of them to try out spinning them back into threads and strings with her other tools, or make tinder for a fire starting kit. I later learned that all that fibre dust in the air could explode whole factory with some electrostatic sparks.
Even more mindboggling: These water jet looms can shoot the thread at 1200 RPM, ie. 20 times per second. This results in weft insertion rates of over 2200 m / min. 🤯
IIRC the correct term would be PPM i.e. picks per minute (not the ppm unit that is parts per million), with "picking" being the action of passing the weft (i.e. the side-to-side thread) through the shed (i.e. the space between the warp threads when they are pulled up and down, that pulling action is called "shedding"), each crossing of the weft thread from one side to the other is called a "pick".
The machines in the textile industry are the craziest. I have seen many-many factories with automated lines but you can always wrap your head around it and they are always simple processes if you break it down. Some stuff you see in textile are straight wichcraft. A machine is shooting multiple colored yarn into a stack of needles and a stretchy textured material comes out. It is actually crazy.
Fibres, fabrics and textiles techs have been in human hands for so long (arguably one of the drives for the creation of agriculture, even) that they become simultaneously indistinguishable from nature on consumers side and indistinguishable from magic on production side. Really crazy.
The idea of passing the thread from one side to the other by using air/water is amazing honestly. The not-that-simple-nor-obvious response to "how do we remove yet another piston/arm from going through the middle of the loom"
I grew up in a small town in Massachusetts that was home to Draper Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draper\_Corporation). They manufactured shuttle looms, shuttleless looms and water-jet looms. I remember going to open houses they had so the community could see what they did and see the machines operating. It was fascinating, I even worked there one summer in a R&D department that was working on an electrostatic spinning machine that used static electricity to attract fibers to a core thread and then spun them onto the core.
Well, once shot out of high pressure nozzle, water inevitably forms droplets and vapour aside from the most that stayed and collected in the machine, but those droplets can also help manage the fibre dust, temperature and electric sparks and with that reduce fire risk and respiratory problems for workers. Also, said droplets will later be collected in the ventilation system, so not all is lost.
I'd imagine a lot of water is recycled. You can't play the what-about-ism card and expect everyone to go along with you. This at least has value for human life. Generic use of AI does not have such value, and arguably is detrimental to critical thinking, learning, and social cohesion.
Source: Upward Industry
what i’m looking at?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-jet_loom
Thanks for your deecription there. Now it sounds like something out of Star Trek fan fiction 🤣🤘
https://preview.redd.it/24h331cmoj9g1.png?width=850&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c23d98623c535f2401af3812968a057bbcb4757
Is there a cutter in the machine in this post, cutting the thread during the battening step?
yes
In the second scene, looking down on the machine with the pink separators, you can see it pushing the weft into a little scissor mechanism on the right. Easier to see if you slow down the video.
In the first scene you can see it too! Middle of the screen on the right side. Beater slams the weft right into it.
First you squeeze the fleem and collect the fleem juice.
There are several hizzards in the way.
Thank you. Now it looks like something out of Star Trek fan fiction.
But did you reverse the polarity?
ADJUST THE FLUX CAPACITOR, QUICK!
It must run on Dilithium crystals
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Wow. Didnt know water could be used this way. Although, it makes a lot of sense after seeing it. Creative 👏🏻
The other common kinds are air-jet looms and rapier looms. AFAIK all modern industrial looms don't use shuttles.
And why the recent hype for Selvedge Denim involved sourcing fabric from places that got a bunch of second hand looms many years ago.
The part I'm having trouble with is how the selvage is created. It seems like - on the jet side at least - that we just have a hanging weave.
Do they have synchronized cardinal gram meters?
This guy looms.
The guy wikipedias'.
I would have bet the house and lost that you meant “wet yarn”, not “weft yarn”.
Sounds made up lol.
I know it's not, but that word combination is something else
Spider-Man web shooters!
Rope skeet
The noise in that factory must be mental
according to the wiki these type of looms are notably quiet. still, with that many running at once, the noise has to be substantial, but i’ll bet it’s not deafening
Noise maybe fine but look at the smog in that building
Couldn't it be moisture ?
it is humidity
Sure. Smog can be described as moisture
Your pedantry is obnoxious.
Just take the L and move on. It's not that big of a deal. I'm wrong on the internet all the time.
I dunno, when was the last time you got 45 downvotes?
Been a while since I was that wrong but had a -30 about a week ago.
I admire you for sticking with it. You're a good dude.
It's just humidity from the thousands of aerosolised water jets. No smoke, no fog.
i mean, fog is moisture in the air, still no smoke for the smog tho
Fog is moisture that condensed out if the air through a temperature drops. This is just humidity and spray
Look up photochemical smog. No smoke required!
one could argue that UV dissociated anthropogenic stuff is "smoke"....
:D
also hard to get indoors
We could test the air quality indoors though right?
No smoke is required, but you do need sunlight to create photochemical smog.
Axchually..no
Photochemical smog, also known as
Los Angeles smog or brown smog, is a type of air pollution that forms when ultraviolet (UV) light from the sun reacts with nitrogen oxides (and volatile organic compounds (VOCs) in the atmosphere. It is a complex mixture of primary and secondary pollutants that appears as a brownish haze over urban areas with warm, sunny, and dry climates.
0The primary ingredients for photochemical smog come mainly from the combustion of fossil fuels in vehicles, power plants, and industrial processes.
Primary Pollutants: The main precursors are nitrogen oxides and VOCs
Energy Source: Intense sunlight provides the energy to drive the chemical reactions.
Secondary Pollutants: The reactions produce harmful secondary pollutants, including ground-level ozone
I work in 50% humidity around 72 degrees and it’s uncomfortable 90% of the time. I bet that place sucks too.
Smog is the contraption of smoke+fog. So no, smog can't be described as moisture
Get off the internet Timmy.
FFS.
Let's test the air quality? Those tests have to be pretty cheap by now
What are you wearing? Where was it made?
Behold, the double down!
Mixture of water droplets and dust from the thread I guess, mmh tasty
I think it's water mist hovering in the air, OP said it's a bunch of water looms ( which I know absolutely nothing about)
It's from their diesel jet engines for the water.
I get the disagreement here but why downvote?
These are jet looms and they are notable quiet. The old shuttle looms could be very pound and standing in a factory of those running was loud. Hearing protection loud.
air jet looms are pretty loud too
Ear protection is a must. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't worked in a factory.
Probably less than the infamous noise of shuttle looms.
https://youtu.be/l9G9hW5Ds1Q?si=ApF8eVsq2zqdl_IP
I've never been in a factory with this type of loom, but I've been in rooms with dozens of needle/rapier/air jet looms running at incredibly high speeds and it's very loud. So many moving parts clanking around. Awesome visual for anyone mechanically inclined though.
We visited the Toyota technology museum a couple years ago and they ran a bunch of the looms for us. They are surprisingly quiet considering the speed at which parts are accelerating and decelerating.
I'm also concerned about the visible particulate in the air. Sure a lot of that is probably humidity, but at least some of it is probably stuff you don't want to breathe.
making a living will slowly kill you, but this factory looks cleaner then most I've been in, cutting-oil smog and grinder dust are far nastier on your lungs
In the fifth video on their TikTok, you get a better feel for both the noise and the mist.
this post is giving me low-key existential shock this morning. like…the scale is awesome and overwhelming. nobody who’s never had exposure to large-scale manufacturing would ever imagine a weaving facility this massive. then you think about how this is just a small portion of the fabric manufactured every year around the world. real fuckin mind glitcher shit.
the scale of everything is like this, even social dynamics; the world is too vast and complex to understand as a whole
Mushrooms help…
mushrooms what opened the door for me to recognize how much greater the world i exist in is than i can fully comprehend. without them i might still live under the assumption that the world should care about my opinions
This! I have a sign on my office wall “Nobody Cares About Your Feelings” - it’s saved me from making an ass of myself many times. Mushrooms taught me this, put plainly to me during a trip. It reads like pitiful, but it is quite a relief once it settles in.
Glad it's saving you! If other people read it on your wall they may take it another way.
Source.
- am other people
Mushrooms make it more fun lol, but if you plopped me down on mushrooms and showed me this video I'm not sure i'd have any unique insights into the unfathomable scale of global manufacturing lol.
Mushrooms dissolve the ego and that gives you time to think without the usual constraints that your identity and sense of self impose. It's no guarantee that you'll get a broader perspective, but it definitely helps - and if you have some kind of philosophical epiphany from it, I find it lasts and retains it's meaning afterwards even when the rest of the brain comes back online.
I think this is one of the reasons it's seeing effective use in treating depression and some other psych issues, a break from self-identifying is a break from self-identified problems, and that perspective shift can give you new philosophical tools to re-use when you're sober.
Obligatory disclaimer: I am not a doctor and I am not telling you its safe to use mushrooms.
Disclaimer unclear: now trying all psychoactive compounds
You'd think we have enough clothing. What happened to long lasting clothes. As a man I've purchased a few new items of clothing in the past 5 years. My girlfriend on the other hand buys new shit every week.
Agreed.
Reminds me of the opening scene of Manufactured Landscapes. Highly recommend the film if the pan across the floor here interests you.
And all of that manufacturing going on, and no workers on the floor. Automation just automating.
To be fair I’ve heard that there are normally people observing and fixing the looms. That were asked to step away for the zoomed out clips, if they’re even real and not ai.
Industrial web shooters
Haha, that was exactly the comment I was looking for, I wanted to see if anyone else had noticed it.
With all that water and fog, I guess the threat of fire is greatly reduced. When I was a kid in the 1990s (SEA), I used to play with my aunt's loom (also owned by my grandmother before her) (fills a small dedicated room in her house, wooden frame and parts, operates with either foot pedals or electric motor, the smooth little wooden shuttle has its two tips reinforced with steel cones and it gets punted left and right by small wooden hammer mechanism), and the amount of fibre dust and lint was quite significant. My aunt let me gather some of them to try out spinning them back into threads and strings with her other tools, or make tinder for a fire starting kit. I later learned that all that fibre dust in the air could explode whole factory with some electrostatic sparks.
see also: the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire
I've seen people smoke around wet jets. It's the air jets that are extremely flammable.
00:10 and 00:20
nice finds! Those were tricky to spot.
can you explain why they're there
Running in-joke of this sub. OP adds those to the clips they post.
So that bit foggy above the machines is water vapour i take it?
And it looks lik the they can open the top part of the roof to vent it.
100% humidity in that factory
I like your inventive watermark on the brass.
And at 17s in to the clip / print on the machine… those bots are working hard to make it fit the sub
Even more mindboggling: These water jet looms can shoot the thread at 1200 RPM, ie. 20 times per second. This results in weft insertion rates of over 2200 m / min. 🤯
Is RPM (revolutions per minute) the proper terminology for what is happening?
IIRC the correct term would be PPM i.e. picks per minute (not the ppm unit that is parts per million), with "picking" being the action of passing the weft (i.e. the side-to-side thread) through the shed (i.e. the space between the warp threads when they are pulled up and down, that pulling action is called "shedding"), each crossing of the weft thread from one side to the other is called a "pick".
The machines in the textile industry are the craziest. I have seen many-many factories with automated lines but you can always wrap your head around it and they are always simple processes if you break it down. Some stuff you see in textile are straight wichcraft. A machine is shooting multiple colored yarn into a stack of needles and a stretchy textured material comes out. It is actually crazy.
Fibres, fabrics and textiles techs have been in human hands for so long (arguably one of the drives for the creation of agriculture, even) that they become simultaneously indistinguishable from nature on consumers side and indistinguishable from magic on production side. Really crazy.
Biggeringand biggering and biggering
The idea of passing the thread from one side to the other by using air/water is amazing honestly. The not-that-simple-nor-obvious response to "how do we remove yet another piston/arm from going through the middle of the loom"
But where does all the wet go?
Part of it in the air, most of it back into the machine where it gets filtered and recirculated.
They drain elsewhere. Some places use piping others have trenches that go to a main filtration system for the entire plant.
moist
Impressive
Why am I so turned on
I grew up in a small town in Massachusetts that was home to Draper Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draper\_Corporation). They manufactured shuttle looms, shuttleless looms and water-jet looms. I remember going to open houses they had so the community could see what they did and see the machines operating. It was fascinating, I even worked there one summer in a R&D department that was working on an electrostatic spinning machine that used static electricity to attract fibers to a core thread and then spun them onto the core.
I do this for work. God I need that lighting at my plant lmao.
This is so surreal to water. Almost feels dystopian.
The loom room
Damn thats fucking cool.
Amazing! Never thought it was done this way. That is precision mechanism. What’s the typical life of these? Is this in China?
Seems to be China, based on the characters on the fire hydrant box.
Remember the warp goes from away from you into space. The other goes weft and wight.
Learn something new daily!
I've used waterjet services for 25+ years without ever considering using similar technology for something like this.
Why are the lights on?
For the humans that have to monitor, maintain, and load/unload the machines.
Besides taking the video, there are people working the rows of machines. Looks like about one person per every couple of rows.
cool AF
You can tell that the designers of this shop never played Satisfactory
That’s a lot of loom
the most impressive part is that floor is mostly dry.
Lol... watermark
Why does it say tool gifs on the machine?
OP adds them to their contributions here. It’s like hunting for Easter eggs. It’s fun.
Ooohhh ok. It threw me off because ai exists
Watermark on posts to this sub. Its kinda like “wheres Wally”.
I didn't look at which sub this was on, I figured it was r/weaving
(it is now, of course)
To think ppl operated these machines a 100 years ago. Having read books from that time iam not sure how to feel about it
Those last pictures: "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Loom".
How much water would this factory use in a year?
r/theydidthemath
That seems incredibly moist
https://preview.redd.it/y1c177u9po9g1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b189232a06c0f594afed3667177f5d812d3c4bcf
That is so freaking cool and smart! Thank you for sharing
But what is McAvoy going to grab to prove he has super reflexes?
Hmmm, 50-100 liters of water consumed per square meter woven. 5000-10000 liters per loom per day. But the water isn't used for AI. Acceptable.
There appears to be drainage running under the machines, so they probably collect filter and reuse a large percentage of the water.
Source? Is that the amount of water consumed or simply passed through the nozzle?
They probably just filter and reuse the water. It doesn't magically disappear or anything.
It does evaporate, just look at the haze in the factory.
Well, once shot out of high pressure nozzle, water inevitably forms droplets and vapour aside from the most that stayed and collected in the machine, but those droplets can also help manage the fibre dust, temperature and electric sparks and with that reduce fire risk and respiratory problems for workers. Also, said droplets will later be collected in the ventilation system, so not all is lost.
I'd imagine a lot of water is recycled. You can't play the what-about-ism card and expect everyone to go along with you. This at least has value for human life. Generic use of AI does not have such value, and arguably is detrimental to critical thinking, learning, and social cohesion.
Plus everyone is saying it's a bubble ready to pop so all of these data centers are just going to be wasted investments in a few years.
That much moisture cant be good for the machines right?
I'm sure they're engineered against that.
Stainless, aluminum, brass, paint and grease!