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Left communism has its origins in the Leninist left wing of the Communist International. As such, Trotskyism can be considered a split from left communism.
That's not entirely accurate I think. Russian Left Communism was mostly the Vpered faction in the RSDLP Bolsheviks who disappeared after 1918. Trotsky was never affiliated with them, since he was with the middle faction (whose name I forgor). The dutch/german left communism is also openly non-leninist. Italian left communism is Leninist but it's a development that iirc came quite a bit after the Soviet power struggle. Trotskyism considers itself Leninism (like how Stalinism does) and is still quite different to Italian left communism.
The Russian communist left consisted of several factions that at times were against each other, but generally most existed at different periods of the Russian revolution, with the earliest proponents around the publication of Kommunist such as Bukharin (before his rightward shift), and then ofc Bogdanov with Vpered, and then later evolutions such as the worker’s opposition and the democratic centralists, and lastly the Worker’s Group faction surrounding Miasnikov being imo the best iteration of the Russian communist left
Left communism means the left wing of communism, which is by definition Marxist. The Vpered faction in the RSDLP may be described as "ultra-leftist", though even that would be an anachronistic definition. In any case, though, they clearly deviated from Marxism by adopting Machist emprio-criticism and the idea of god-building.
The so-called "Dutch/German left communism" has a more accurate name that is councilism or council communism. An exclusively Western and particularly European phenomenon which split from the Communist International very early on, they soon deserted Marxism by abandoning its core concepts, such as the role of the Communist Party and the importance of trade union struggle.
As for the Italian left, it was merely the best and most important representative of the communist left in Europe, though not the only one even there (think of the Leninbund in Germany, the Marx-Lenin-Luxemburg Front in the Netherlands etc). Yet the same Leninist left current of the Communist International existed in vast parts of the world: the Middle East, the Caucasus, Central Asia, East Asia, South Asia, North and South America and even parts of Africa, though this history is rarely studied.
Trotsky was certainly a comrade of the left of the Communist Party of Russia (Bolshevik) but his supporters were not the only ones in the left opposition to the Stalinist counter-revolution, either in Russia, where they were joined by others, such as the Group of 15 lead by Sapranov on the left and the Zinoviev-Kamanev group on the right, or elsewhere. In Italy, initially it was Italian left who came out for Trotsky, and later a small group of former Stalinists formed the New Opposition against the Italian left which went on to became the official Trotskyists in the country. In Germany the Trotskyist tendency was a minority in the Leninbund, and similarly in the Netherlands in the MLL Front. In certain other countries, particularly in the Far East, the left initially affiliated with the tendency lead by Trotsky, only for its best representatives to leave official Trotskyism over issues such as rejecting the support of the fatherland, establishing a united front with the Stalinists and the description of the USSR as capitalist as opposed to a "degenerated workers' state".
I say who cares? I don't buy their newspapers, but if they're legitimately leftist (as in anti-capitalist, anti-patriarchy, anti-racist, anti-zionist and pro-LGBT+), I'll work with them. We all have more important shit to do than quibble about hundred year old Soviet ideological bullshit.
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We are Leninists, Leninists who took a stand against the corruption, degeneration, and betrayal of Stalin’s bureaucratic caste. Nothing more, nothing less. Next question?
I think they’re just confused and not read up is all
Ofc certain more left-wing iterations of Trotskyism come close to the communist left, but still, Trotskyism is something seperate from the communist left, the only thing that might confuse people is that the Italian communist left in exile supported Trotsky and the international fraction of the communist left was a part of the international left opposition for a period of time before getting kicked out… but overall no Trotskyism is seperate from left communism, all forms of left communism are to the left of Trotskyism
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Left communism has its origins in the Leninist left wing of the Communist International. As such, Trotskyism can be considered a split from left communism.
That's not entirely accurate I think. Russian Left Communism was mostly the Vpered faction in the RSDLP Bolsheviks who disappeared after 1918. Trotsky was never affiliated with them, since he was with the middle faction (whose name I forgor). The dutch/german left communism is also openly non-leninist. Italian left communism is Leninist but it's a development that iirc came quite a bit after the Soviet power struggle. Trotskyism considers itself Leninism (like how Stalinism does) and is still quite different to Italian left communism.
The Russian communist left consisted of several factions that at times were against each other, but generally most existed at different periods of the Russian revolution, with the earliest proponents around the publication of Kommunist such as Bukharin (before his rightward shift), and then ofc Bogdanov with Vpered, and then later evolutions such as the worker’s opposition and the democratic centralists, and lastly the Worker’s Group faction surrounding Miasnikov being imo the best iteration of the Russian communist left
Left communism means the left wing of communism, which is by definition Marxist. The Vpered faction in the RSDLP may be described as "ultra-leftist", though even that would be an anachronistic definition. In any case, though, they clearly deviated from Marxism by adopting Machist emprio-criticism and the idea of god-building.
The so-called "Dutch/German left communism" has a more accurate name that is councilism or council communism. An exclusively Western and particularly European phenomenon which split from the Communist International very early on, they soon deserted Marxism by abandoning its core concepts, such as the role of the Communist Party and the importance of trade union struggle.
As for the Italian left, it was merely the best and most important representative of the communist left in Europe, though not the only one even there (think of the Leninbund in Germany, the Marx-Lenin-Luxemburg Front in the Netherlands etc). Yet the same Leninist left current of the Communist International existed in vast parts of the world: the Middle East, the Caucasus, Central Asia, East Asia, South Asia, North and South America and even parts of Africa, though this history is rarely studied.
Trotsky was certainly a comrade of the left of the Communist Party of Russia (Bolshevik) but his supporters were not the only ones in the left opposition to the Stalinist counter-revolution, either in Russia, where they were joined by others, such as the Group of 15 lead by Sapranov on the left and the Zinoviev-Kamanev group on the right, or elsewhere. In Italy, initially it was Italian left who came out for Trotsky, and later a small group of former Stalinists formed the New Opposition against the Italian left which went on to became the official Trotskyists in the country. In Germany the Trotskyist tendency was a minority in the Leninbund, and similarly in the Netherlands in the MLL Front. In certain other countries, particularly in the Far East, the left initially affiliated with the tendency lead by Trotsky, only for its best representatives to leave official Trotskyism over issues such as rejecting the support of the fatherland, establishing a united front with the Stalinists and the description of the USSR as capitalist as opposed to a "degenerated workers' state".
looking at what Lenin said, thought and wrote about Trotskyism and "Stalinism"; no, Trotskyism isn’t Leninism
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Who is the guy on the right again?
Aren't left communists and ultra-leftists anti-Leninist Marxists? Trotskyism is derived from Leninism.
No, the most influential Left-Communist movement is Italian Left-Communism which is very much Leninist in nature
I say who cares? I don't buy their newspapers, but if they're legitimately leftist (as in anti-capitalist, anti-patriarchy, anti-racist, anti-zionist and pro-LGBT+), I'll work with them. We all have more important shit to do than quibble about hundred year old Soviet ideological bullshit.
Exactly. I've got better things to do than carry on some mean girls shit from the early 1900s
as a certified Anarcho-Ulta-Lefitst-Left-Communist-Right-Opposition-Anti-Revisionist-Dengist-Eurocom-Trotskyist, i agree
Trotsky was the leader of the left opposition within the Bolsheviks before the "purges" (blatant murders).
It's been like 100 years since this shit started, who cares now
Who says that?
My friends did. Also I did.
Our logic was they weren't nazbols or anarchists so trots must be left coms.
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They know not of which they speak.
We are Leninists, Leninists who took a stand against the corruption, degeneration, and betrayal of Stalin’s bureaucratic caste. Nothing more, nothing less. Next question?
I think they’re just confused and not read up is all
Ofc certain more left-wing iterations of Trotskyism come close to the communist left, but still, Trotskyism is something seperate from the communist left, the only thing that might confuse people is that the Italian communist left in exile supported Trotsky and the international fraction of the communist left was a part of the international left opposition for a period of time before getting kicked out… but overall no Trotskyism is seperate from left communism, all forms of left communism are to the left of Trotskyism
That they have not made a serious study of the subject
Ultra leftism is when abiding by Marx and Lenin