I'd say it's more due to ending up with "overdiagnosis". Loads of people have herpes, even genital herpes, where they had an initial outbreak after contracting it but it was mild enough to go unnoticed and then it's not a particular issue for them ever again.
The testing options are serology or PCR, PCR is only going to be done on a current outbreak where they're trying to determine what the lesion is, and that is readily available if needed. No current outbreak, no PCR, so it won't be in a standard asymltomatic screen.
For serology, the likely one for first line screening is just HSV IgG, and doesn't differentiate type 1 or 2 (and you can get either type orally or genitally), it just determines you have been infected with HSV at some point and with the level of prevalence in the population, that's just not really useful information for most people and probably just leads to undue stress (I.e ignorance is bliss because it's not really a big deal for the majority of people).
Of course once you get into talking about pregnant and immunocompromised patients testing algorithms are different and HSV concerns in pregnant women should be sought through your antenatal care, not your generic sexual health clinic screening service.
I'm in the UK though and work in virology here, things may be different there, but I assume the basic testing algorithms and what's offered are pretty similar
Antivirals would be offered in late pregnancy for women with recurrent outbreaks, but in the UK we absolutely don't offer HSV testing as standard antenatal screening, and i disagree that we should. It's just Hep B, HIV, and syphilis.
If a woman suffers recurrent outbreaks she'd very likely be aware, and late term antivirals could be offered and c-section could be considered at the time. Screening all pregnant women for HSV antibodies is a waste, you'd risk scaring thousands of women who had a cold sore once when they were 12 into c-sections or at the very least into undue anxiety. It just creates medical noise.
Pregnant women should remain vigilant for outbreaks and PCR can be done in the event of one and decisions regarding antivirals/c-section can be made quickly.
Yes but also consider that there are several types of herpes. So depending on the type it will vary how it spreads as well as the rate. Chickenpox is considered herpes. I don't study this stuff but I would assume, like any virus, these things can evolve rapidly, like in a matter of days. So a type of herpes evolving to a deadly state, especially for an infant, isn't surprising.
And people wonder why giving your baby a hepatitis shot is even needed.
Seeing how fragile both my newborns were I'm not surprised that even the most basic disease if contracted can cause serious problems, my wife loved the newborn stage, I felt like I was at Defcon 1 for 3 months
Oh yeah, I forgot something I recently learned too. A newborn's immune system isn't fully developed yet. Which makes sense and I never considered that either until about a year ago. Yeah must be hell but hey you do a little reading, make your decision to the best of your ability, stay updated, be well informed, and just hope for the best knowing you actually cared. Stay safe.
I’m not a big guy but I can definitely take on a baby. Maybe even a few of them at once. One on one I bet I can go 100 and 0 against babies. I’d need to space out the matches for recovery and training in between though. A newborn baby… yep. But if it’s one of those 28 days later babies I’d need a weapon. A baseball bat, like cillian murphy, he beat that 28 days later baby to death… wait that was a 28 days later kid. So maybe I’d just need brass knuckles for a 28 days later baby.
Fuckin hell, I thought this was one of those chasitey/BDMS devices.... butt God damn.. i wish it was now that i watched the entire video. I never would have expected it to be worse.... RIP baby.
It was a joke about the fact that women who have those experiences with boyfriends/husbands or when they are little with absent or violent father tend to turn that way
You are reading a post about a previously happy mother to be being cheated on, given herpes, and losing her child and that's what goes on in your head? That's worrisome.
First of all, it was clearly a joke, and then if there are a specific kind of women that hate me and by observing them I notice that in many cases they share similar experiences that caused their hate towards me even if they were experiences that didn't include me then if I see a woman that lived some of those experiences the possibility that she hates me is going to cross my mind
stop assume people on the internet are normal, victimize women and absolve them from their irresponsibility! (not just you, all of y'all)
she brought herself in this very position by a) chosing the wrong partner b) not protecting herself c) spread a deseas known to be deadly for children to her baby d) not caring enough to see a doctor and get medication or atleast e) have an abortion.
A) how could she have known? B) adults don’t wear protection when planning for pregnancy C) her boyfriend spread it D) it can take several weeks for an STD test to show up positive E) she wanted a child F) you’re a dumbass
A) by staying longer together and evaluating the realationship properly, just because you CAN have children doesn't mean you SHOULD have children.
B) A)
C) A)
D) A)
E) A)
F) LOL
can't even believe I have to put that so clearly, but I guess nowadays everybody's like do before think.
You are a prime example.
you are full of assumptions, probably because you have not much of a live yourself, probably a shallow figure that feels the need to protect online contect to boost his ego. I will pray for you brother.
I just burst out the truth, she has a brain to think ahead of the situation, observe the person she is with and just FYI in my country it is normal to at least have two appointments a month with your physician if you are pregnant, so there would be pleanty of time to fix things going wrong.
If she is not a teenage girl, she has all the responsibility on her side because she is a fucking grown adult.
How can it be that "my body - my choice" goes for abortion, but not for pregnancey and the delivery? Is this kinda seperated in your peoples heads?
The whole process is under the guide and command of the delivering mother.
People can be loyal for years/decades before they cheat. Just how long do they need to be together for you to have considered the relationship has been evaluated long enough?
The STD virus strain that is commonly known as herpes wont kill, but it can be passed down to kids from the mom if she has it during contraception/in utero. And is still very permanent.
The shit you find out after falling into a rabbit hole.
no, that is a complete different thing. That virus evolved to piss us off for the rest of our existence, but not to kill us, even though sometimes you wish you would be dead
Life hit hard multiple times in my life. Now I know that all depends on oneself. If you are happy, if you are satisfied, if you have the right people around, this all comes within onself, not from the outside. If your life is a big pile of shit, it is your fault. I can 100% approve of that.
It's called Neonatal Herpes.
It's very deadly for babies if they get it...
Damn..
First time I've heard herpes can kill. Damn. Isn't like half of the world population has herpes?
Yes, but this is why it's important to fully know you have herpes before.
There are safe options for the baby. But the doctors need to know you have herpes.
As someone who has herpes 2. We, I. The US should be far more infuriates that MOST STD TESTS DO NOT include herpes.
Why?
Cause that costs extra money, and herpes is actually THE ONLY STD that does not kill you if left untreated.
Health care doesn't give a shit about precaution in America and we just don't care to hold them accountable for it. Cause it's 'just how it is'
I'd say it's more due to ending up with "overdiagnosis". Loads of people have herpes, even genital herpes, where they had an initial outbreak after contracting it but it was mild enough to go unnoticed and then it's not a particular issue for them ever again.
The testing options are serology or PCR, PCR is only going to be done on a current outbreak where they're trying to determine what the lesion is, and that is readily available if needed. No current outbreak, no PCR, so it won't be in a standard asymltomatic screen.
For serology, the likely one for first line screening is just HSV IgG, and doesn't differentiate type 1 or 2 (and you can get either type orally or genitally), it just determines you have been infected with HSV at some point and with the level of prevalence in the population, that's just not really useful information for most people and probably just leads to undue stress (I.e ignorance is bliss because it's not really a big deal for the majority of people).
Of course once you get into talking about pregnant and immunocompromised patients testing algorithms are different and HSV concerns in pregnant women should be sought through your antenatal care, not your generic sexual health clinic screening service.
I'm in the UK though and work in virology here, things may be different there, but I assume the basic testing algorithms and what's offered are pretty similar
We have privatized healthcare, so I wouldn’t assume all provider use the same algorithms.
It should be tested for as part of prenatal care, especially because it is so common.
starting antivirals for vaginal birth or opting for C-section would lower the risk if transmitting it to their child.
Antivirals would be offered in late pregnancy for women with recurrent outbreaks, but in the UK we absolutely don't offer HSV testing as standard antenatal screening, and i disagree that we should. It's just Hep B, HIV, and syphilis.
If a woman suffers recurrent outbreaks she'd very likely be aware, and late term antivirals could be offered and c-section could be considered at the time. Screening all pregnant women for HSV antibodies is a waste, you'd risk scaring thousands of women who had a cold sore once when they were 12 into c-sections or at the very least into undue anxiety. It just creates medical noise.
Pregnant women should remain vigilant for outbreaks and PCR can be done in the event of one and decisions regarding antivirals/c-section can be made quickly.
Yes but also consider that there are several types of herpes. So depending on the type it will vary how it spreads as well as the rate. Chickenpox is considered herpes. I don't study this stuff but I would assume, like any virus, these things can evolve rapidly, like in a matter of days. So a type of herpes evolving to a deadly state, especially for an infant, isn't surprising.
And people wonder why giving your baby a hepatitis shot is even needed.
Seeing how fragile both my newborns were I'm not surprised that even the most basic disease if contracted can cause serious problems, my wife loved the newborn stage, I felt like I was at Defcon 1 for 3 months
Oh yeah, I forgot something I recently learned too. A newborn's immune system isn't fully developed yet. Which makes sense and I never considered that either until about a year ago. Yeah must be hell but hey you do a little reading, make your decision to the best of your ability, stay updated, be well informed, and just hope for the best knowing you actually cared. Stay safe.
A strong enough cold can kill a baby.
I’m not a big guy but I can definitely take on a baby. Maybe even a few of them at once. One on one I bet I can go 100 and 0 against babies. I’d need to space out the matches for recovery and training in between though. A newborn baby… yep. But if it’s one of those 28 days later babies I’d need a weapon. A baseball bat, like cillian murphy, he beat that 28 days later baby to death… wait that was a 28 days later kid. So maybe I’d just need brass knuckles for a 28 days later baby.
Fuckin weak ass baby bitch ass babies.
Anything can kill a baby. They're basically souffles just looking for an excuse to shuffle off this mortal coil
There’s an insanely rare chance of having herpes cross the blood-brain barrier and ravage even adult bodies. Doctors still don’t know how it happens.
Wait until you look up babies dying from cold sores. And sometime they contract it from their circumcision.
Like when the rabbi does the weird rabbi thing and sucks the blood from the baby's penis?
I left that land mine out for the readers to find
Half the population is immune and half freak out because of rashes and flu like symptoms…
Fuckin hell, I thought this was one of those chasitey/BDMS devices.... butt God damn.. i wish it was now that i watched the entire video. I never would have expected it to be worse.... RIP baby.
Good god.
Lil bro saw ahead the consequences of absent fatherhood and of having a would-be misandrist to grow him up and chose to log off for his own good.
How do you know she's going to be a misandrist?
I think he's going by the 'standard look' of nose ring and colored hair, but I could be misinterpreting it.
It was a joke about the fact that women who have those experiences with boyfriends/husbands or when they are little with absent or violent father tend to turn that way
You are reading a post about a previously happy mother to be being cheated on, given herpes, and losing her child and that's what goes on in your head? That's worrisome.
First of all, it was clearly a joke, and then if there are a specific kind of women that hate me and by observing them I notice that in many cases they share similar experiences that caused their hate towards me even if they were experiences that didn't include me then if I see a woman that lived some of those experiences the possibility that she hates me is going to cross my mind
If I had a gast, it would be flabbered.
You said that already
My connection was weak and I must've posted twice by mistake.
I know, just playin
Oh you 😅
It's not a connection issue, well not on your end at least. It's a common reddit bug that happens because of shitty server connection.
At least she isn't sad about losing a baby. I'd be devastated. But then again, I care about babies.
I think she probably is, she's just coping with a joke
stop assume people on the internet are normal, victimize women and absolve them from their irresponsibility! (not just you, all of y'all)
she brought herself in this very position by a) chosing the wrong partner b) not protecting herself c) spread a deseas known to be deadly for children to her baby d) not caring enough to see a doctor and get medication or atleast e) have an abortion.
A) how could she have known? B) adults don’t wear protection when planning for pregnancy C) her boyfriend spread it D) it can take several weeks for an STD test to show up positive E) she wanted a child F) you’re a dumbass
A) by staying longer together and evaluating the realationship properly, just because you CAN have children doesn't mean you SHOULD have children.
B) A)
C) A)
D) A)
E) A)
F) LOL
can't even believe I have to put that so clearly, but I guess nowadays everybody's like do before think.
You are a prime example.
You’ve never been in a relationship
Bro never even got a platonic hug
you are full of assumptions, probably because you have not much of a live yourself, probably a shallow figure that feels the need to protect online contect to boost his ego. I will pray for you brother.
I just burst out the truth, she has a brain to think ahead of the situation, observe the person she is with and just FYI in my country it is normal to at least have two appointments a month with your physician if you are pregnant, so there would be pleanty of time to fix things going wrong.
If she is not a teenage girl, she has all the responsibility on her side because she is a fucking grown adult.
How can it be that "my body - my choice" goes for abortion, but not for pregnancey and the delivery? Is this kinda seperated in your peoples heads?
The whole process is under the guide and command of the delivering mother.
People can be loyal for years/decades before they cheat. Just how long do they need to be together for you to have considered the relationship has been evaluated long enough?
How about we put more of the responsibility on the person tjat put his unwrapped dick in another human being?
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They do give their pregnant girlfriends herpes, though.
so he r*aped her yes?
Victim blaming nonsense. Ah yes, how dare someone have trust in anyone. How do you know how long she was in the relationship for???
Either this is ragebait or you need to be checked for sociopathy
Couldve happened a long time ago
Eesh
Nice way to announce you have herpes
Should be posted on r/feminism.
What about the herpes that causes cold sores on youre lip will it kill the baby?
The STD virus strain that is commonly known as herpes wont kill, but it can be passed down to kids from the mom if she has it during contraception/in utero. And is still very permanent.
The shit you find out after falling into a rabbit hole.
no, that is a complete different thing. That virus evolved to piss us off for the rest of our existence, but not to kill us, even though sometimes you wish you would be dead
Thank you.
Damn
🫣🤨🫢
At least there was a catchy tune...
You know... to ease us into the dead baby.
I can not fix her. Nor will I try.
Wtf is wrong with some people ffs
Abomination
Is nobody talking about the fact she got a facial at the beginning???
Edit: nvm that's a reflection and her eye twitching
Daaaaaaark.
We all know why its funny
So the joke is on her for being happy or posting about it?
Haha you loved your boyfriend then he betrayed you and killed the baby. haha
People cope with shit by sharing it. Seeing people feel a similar way stimulates validation and connection. She's working through a loss.
she should work through her poor live choices instead
Her poor life choice of.. being cheated on?
like you life you choose, sorry not sorry
Thats the story until life hits you hard. Then it's suddenly everyone else's fault but your own.
Life hit hard multiple times in my life. Now I know that all depends on oneself. If you are happy, if you are satisfied, if you have the right people around, this all comes within onself, not from the outside. If your life is a big pile of shit, it is your fault. I can 100% approve of that.
I hope life cuts your ego at the ankles soon
I can gurantee you, that won't happen, just so you sleep worse ;)
What a bizarrely confusing post.
Bad post.
Gross.
When abortion is illegal, one must improvise.
I'll take my leave to hell. Earth was nice.