• "And that's why I finally jumped, good night kids!!"

    How did you live to tell the story though?

    Paramedics were faster. :(

    Good ending fr

    for who? I think we are too biased towards life to critically analyze situations like this.
    only the person committing is entitled to claim whether their life or death is better. Everyone else is limited to their own perspective. They lack attachment, the root of suffering.

    What an odd thing to say.

    Anyways.

    The instinct of self preservation is of the few things that are not socially conditioned into us, but is naturally there.

    Of course, there is an amount of pain, both emotional and physical when you simply don't want to go on, at the same time, in case the pain can be cured, it's unethical to let that person die, because their wish for death is not a wisj for death, it's a wish for the pain to stop. Death just seems like the only option.

    In short, a person in that much pain is not actually capable to make a rational decision.

    You can decide to die once the pain is gone.

    It is an entirely different case when the suffering can't actually be stopped by anything else, but death.

    conditional suicidal thoughts can change when conditions change. The issue arises when we assume it is conditional or that conditions are able to be changed.

    since the default is to the will to live, you have to ask yourself "what is free will?"

    Free will just means there isn't a cosmic power predetermining all of your actions and that you are capable of reconsidering them, while being seld aware. Elephants have free will for example. They are self aware.

    But we are all animals after all. Self preservation, preservation of species, and because we are social animals, preservatives of community members are all things natural to us, and missing either is considered unnatural. (For example the ASPD.)

    your choices are pre-determined and heavily influenced by your will to live. That is the illusion you need to break from in order to better understand where I'm coming from

    the human concept of "free will" you mentioned is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about real mechanisms that limit your options that people are oblivious to yet slaves to

    Influenced, yes. Pre-determined? No.

    Those mechanisms influence your decision, but you are capable of deciding against influence.

    If I go by your thinking, then the decision isn't yours, so it can't be taken away from you either, which means getting kicked back trough the window is a neutral thing at worst, but biologically speaking, you were preserved, so it's a good thing.

    Death just seems like the only option.

    the problem is we love to be biased towards the idea there are other options. The reality is the compromise produces additional consequences. Nothing is solved, only more problems are created. The ability to cope is now required.

    it depends where you desire to die comes from, as you mentioned. But it's ignorant to believe that all can be solved, or that some are solvable, when it's just our need to cope with a grim reality that contradicts our biological drivers.

    the problem is we love to be biased towards the idea there are other options.

    I mean, I've been there. It's like... Usually there is another option.

    Humanity, society. Physics, time, space. How do you escape these?

    I understand you are imagining of more tangible problems. But you are misunderstanding a simple concept: these can't be changed. You are forced to find some method to deal with them: coping, acceptance, etc. Those are not obligations I am interested in partaking.

    The only answer to this problem is to detach from the source of all these issues, which is death of your own experience.

    It's not a common idea, so I get that it may not have crossed your mind yet.

    Would you say you have "been here"?

    Suicide and depression is inherently more social than psychological.

    Why psychologists bother me, is that anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts, more often than not, are the product of a person's environment. When someone is treated for depression, but they are left in the environment causing said depression, they won't get better usually.

    That's why many people get much better when they cut contact with abusive family members. Or change schools. Or find a new community.

    These are things that can he helped. It is inherently a hard choice, but it seems as if... This is the only high success rate "therapy". There are things that can't be fixed, and you gotta throw those things out.

    But if you jump wouldn’t you die pretty much immediately? Unless you didn’t jump from a high enough height.

    I genuinely take it as they were on the ledge and were grabbed by paramedics, I think I remember seeing a video about fire fighters kicking suicidal back in their houses whenever they were trying to jump.

    Ohhh why didn’t my dumbass think of that lol that makes way more sense

    This but unironically. The only thing that stopped me from jumping was anxiety.

  • Oh, then stuff like the totally unwarranted panic attacks I have while standing in line at checkout are because I didn't act. Thanks, random dipshit giving advice for things he can't relate to!

    Turns out the right action was staying home, how nice

    To be fair, even doing deep breathing / practicing self care in the moment is an action. And it sends the signal to the brain that you’re taking the threat seriously, which is really the purpose of anxiety… “I’m not safe… do something about it.”

    The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to think your way out of an anxiety attack. And the mental healthcare system often fails to give us sufficient tools to tackle anxiety in the moment.

    Don't preach to the choir; I know what to do during it. But I have no control over it, and if I don't get out of the situation I'm just going to keep getting worse.

    And it pisses me the fuck off. People think you want this, that you're faking it at worst, and feeding into it at best.

    But I wish nothing more than that I just wasn't like this, that my mind wasn't so uncontrollably disturbed that there are several times a day where it genuinely feels like death would be a relief.

    And oops, looks like my government has cut another service I needed for it to get bearable, because to them me being dead would be better anyway.

    Oh, but someone out there has it worse than me, so I guess living in agony is fine. What a relief!

    Fair and valid. I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time raging against the machine that is our broken mental healthcare system, both as a patient and a professional.

    Also, I wasn’t trying to preach to the choir or insinuate your panic attack is a result of a failure to act, or that you stay stuck bc you don’t want to act and aren’t trying to act.

    That’s why I said it’s nearly impossible to think your way out of it. (I can’t really say impossible bc I’ve observed that absolutes aren’t necessarily rooted in truth, and there’s always strange and rare exceptions.)

  • Ah but the anxiety thoughts tell me bad actions

    Are you me?! Hi me!

  • From someone who's never anxiously banged their head against the wall.

    Banged is an action though.

    ah, so I don't need meds, I need to bash my head against the wall. Thanks, doc

  • Hey, you're right! If I eliminate some things that made me anxious, that would make me less anxious. Have you considered that's not a possibility, though?

  • Don’t encourage the intrusive thoughts. I get the feeling I wouldn’t do well in prison.

  • The lack of a specific action made this into a suicide support message

    For all you know, that action could be, well, you know

    The blood spilt is in the original OP's (twitter - Essential Mastery) hands

    Also, the fucking thought of having to do the action IS my cause of anxiety, fucking bastards

    This is just a typical "stop being my problem" bullshit.

  • And now I've been diagnosed with trichotillomania :-D the action is not always a good one

    Oh shit, I hear you, and I’m sorry. I struggle with dermatillomania. It’s been pretty tackled for awhile (the scabs were so bad I didn’t wear shorts or short sleeves for a decade) and they’re mostly healed, but I’m currently trying very hard not to pick at a scab on my chin any further.

    It’s not rational at all, but some part of my brain thinks picking at it will make it go away. My brain is supposed to be smarter than that :/

    Realizing this is a real thing instead of just something my mom has yelled at me about for 40 years blew my gd mind. My brain DEFINITELY says "fix this and it will go away" with "fix" being "make it smooth".

  • Let me introduce you to my bestie, ADHD

  • It’s not about present action. It’s about lack of action in areas where you are participating in avoidance. I’m not trying to be disrespectful when I say, I’m willing to bet there is something in your life you know you need to do, but are not. Wether out of fear, confusion, or just not knowing what the next step is. That is a lack of action. Your unconscious is aware of this to-do list and since it’s responsible for keeping your body functioning, it sends alarm signals to you in an attempt to get you to act. To get the thing done so it can stop taking space in your mind.

    The “fight or flight” function isn’t just about danger, it’s about whatever you need to do to move forward in your life. These things aren’t determined by others, they are determined by the individual. It’s what YOU think/feel you should be doing at any given period of your life. For example; while working 8 hrs a day may not be something you desire to spend your time, through a lifetime you’ve been conditioned to feel this is very important. Your psyche is going to respond accordingly. It can’t tell you it’s nothing to stress about, you have to tell it.

    I understand why people resist these ideas, that you are in control of your anxiety, but our individual refusal to accept that doesn’t change the psyches mechanics.

    I have lots of experience with anxiety, I’ve gone through it myself. As well as being surrounded by it on a daily basis. While our symptoms vary, the way it (psyche) functions does not steer from the course.

    This. Lived with sometimes debilitating alphabet soup for almost four decades (AuDHD, C-PTSD, and likely OCPD/moral OCD).

    Nothing got better from me doing nothing.

    I actually had to do a whole lot of uncomfortable stuff to get anywhere closer to healing. 😭 I took a trip to Punta Cana with my husband ~10 years ago, and I did everything I was absolutely terrified of… situations I couldn’t easily escape… parasailing (heights, water) and swimming in a cave (jumping into deep water, being in a fairly enclosed space).

    A few years back I went zip lining on Florida’s tallest zip line.

    Thing is, I wasn’t just throwing myself out there doing willy nilly exposure therapy. I analyzed risk vs. benefit and decided what was actually safe (statistically speaking) vs. what was probably a bad idea.

    But I knew I needed to train my brain to realize: you can do scary things and not die.

    Eventually, when it came time to start cutting off the toxic people and parasites who were draining my energy, suddenly I could do these scary things (be alone, isolated, even with my abundance of abandonment trauma) and not die.

    Granted, I have a lot of privilege others might not have (my husband is my best friend, and while he’s not perfect, he’s always been fully supportive of my growth and healing, and he grows with me). I am a former gifted kid which has its own benefits, despite the obvious burnout. And I have high emotional intelligence. As well as a stubbornness and a refusal to go down without swinging.

    Regardless, healing will take you out of your comfort zone. And it’s absolutely gonna require you to face what you don’t wanna face.

    Stop with your differentiated reasoning, this sub is for generalised dismissiveness cant you tell lol But yeah totally agree. Once heard that anxiety is excitement (i think) without action and i have been telling myself this in some anxiety-inducing situations since then and it actually is helpful to a degree.

  • ...I'm pretty sure humans are capble of multitasking those two at the same time but ok lol

  • that’s just ocd and i gotta tell you it’s not better

  • Actions don’t inherently rewire the nervous system. This man has pretend anxiety where it’s truly just imagined. Trauma will program the nervous system that someone has a red beam on your forehead no matter what action you take. K bye

  • Complete bullshit

  • yeah... really not the antidote to that. I can act even too much - hastily and obsessively - if I'm anxious about something. But sometimes things take time regardless of my actions and all the futile activity just increases my anxiety.

  • I mean it’s genuinely true to an extent. But it can be problematic when your anxiety leads you to take too much action, such as spending all day cleaning because you’re anxious about germs.

    True, there is no one size fits all. I guess in that case (fear of germs) though the action required may be exposure to the fear i.e. not cleaning and enduring the discomfort. People afraid of deep sea (me lol) need to go scuba-diving to face the fear, people with germaphobia profit off of facing the fear by not cleaning. But i know that is tough and panic-inducing but in the end it is the only way.

  • Well, it's not entirely wrong.

  • I mean, there's some truth to this, some forms of anxiety can be fought through action

    For example, my quantum chemistry exam would give me lots of anxiety, because it was a crucial exam that I had failed the year before, there has been times were I wouldn't sleep because of it. I would procrastinate and procrastinate, doing other things to help me not think about it, but as the date of the exam closed in, I couldn't just keep pushing

    So, I took the bull by the horns, and faced it. Looked at the course, did the exercises, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. I then ended up passing the exam with a high grade.

    Now of course there's more to the story, at that time I was finally diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed Ritalin, which helped me greatly, so here action wasn't the only antidote, but even with Ritalin, without action I wouldn't have overcome it.

    I know my experience won't translate to everybody, and this won't help for all types of anxiety, but in my experience, a lot of times, taking the bull by the horns helps a lot, and you realise that the bull was in fact a calf.

    This is actually the purpose of healthy anxiety… to kick us into action, to protect ourselves in some way.

    The problem is that we are taught not to listen to ourselves and not care for ourselves from a very young age. And we are dismissed and invalidated so much we lose trust in our own narrative and ability.

    So instead we just get stuck, feel restless, get confused.

  • Hi. I have generalised anxiety disorder and am here to say that not all action you can take when anxious is good action. Quite the opposite!

  • This actually works though

  • My ADHD ass, stuck in task paralysis mode & internally screaming at myself to quit fucking around and do the thing already: WOW, WHAT A NOVEL CONCEPT! I sure am glad I don’t have a disorder that sometimes makes action nearly impossible & gives me anxiety when that happens with a task I really need to do… OH, WAIT.

    Can relate sadly it's like your brain is always Screaming at you in pain to do things but you can't because your brain is too busy screaming

  • Insert the guy from parks and rec talking about how if he always keeps moving and his mind distracted his feelings won't be able to crush him. (Paraphrased with many liberties.)

  • Yeah but I went to Action and became anxious because there were too many people there :c

  • "My entire life changed when I realized that some people's bullshit belongs on r/thanksimcured."

  • I mean that quote by itself is not really trying to cure anyone, it seems rather personal. That person has found something that worked for them which might not be applicable to your situation. There's no need to make stuff other people say about ourselves in every instance (or post the context in which this quote becomes bigotry).

    I had the same realization as the post once upon a time.

    I think it’s important to remember we are all at different stages of healing and growth. And sometimes we need to let people be ahead of us, without minimizing or ridiculing their level of progress.

    Bc after all, we don’t want them to look back / look down on us and minimize or ridicule our progress.

  • the antidote to anxiety is to feel the anxiety then regret feeling the anxiety but there is no turning back so you feel your heart pounding and the wish to crawl outside your skin to make the horror stop until the anxiety finishes

    or medication i think

    at least thats what my theropist said

  • Well what if Action makes my heart race until I hyperventilate?

  • I mean, I find it has calming and soothing atteibutes, but no.

  • Eh. Ppl can have their mantras. So long as some of the “action” reduces everyone’s “anxiety”

  • this is why I've been called a control freak

  • When I was in college as a “mature” student, I had a class where I had to give a presentation. It was an online class but she wanted us to attend in person. I contacted her and explained about my anxiety, and she said to me “anxiety is just the same as excitement. Get into your anxiety and let it excite you.” Just what a fucking moron.

  • Action? Like walking in front of a car? Great idea. Seriously screw the people who make these things.

  • That's a funny way to spell "alprazolam"

  • Pretty sure the action of putting my head through the nearest wall won’t fix my chronic anxiety or settle an autistic meltdown.

  • Idk where to even begin with this one.

  • So if I'm anxious about climate change because world leaders don't seem to care that they're going to kill us all, I should just fix that, right?

  • Several members of my family have this habit of getting really anxious about a random problem then overreacting to it in a panic to do something right fucking now. They then end up ruining some stuff by acting impulsively, which they then overreact to and ruin more stuff until someone tells them to go the fuck to bed because they're only making things worse.

  • "I'm anxious"

    "Well then do something about it"

    "Okay."

    Leaves

  • Ah thank god this guy told me my generalized anxiety disorder that causes me to think there’s a gas leak in my house at 11pm at night or that x person doesn’t like me because of this one thing can be solved so easily! (Although for these examples I guess double checking could technically work- at least for the friend one? I dunno lol)

  • Action is a symptom of anxiety, and is dangerous because those actions are not made with a clear and level head.

  • This is bullshit…

  • This sounds like an OCD compulsion