MotorTrend has been very good to Tesla if you look at the entire life of the company. . . It gave the Model S car of the year
With 260 mile range
No Supercharging network
No Autopilot
Really crappy UI
Tesla just stopped focusing on the things Motortrend cares about
Historically, MotorTrend has been one of Tesla’s strongest mainstream supporters, arguably validating the company when the rest of the auto industry was still skeptical. However, their coverage has become more critical in recent years (2024–2026) as they shifted focus from Tesla’s revolutionary engineering to its build quality and daily usability.
If you are looking for a binary answer, they are historically Pro-Product but increasingly Critical of Execution.
When the S came out is was an amazing achievement even though its specs aren't exciting today. They proved that an EV can actually be practical. It was an achievement of such a good car, it was not believed possible in the general car world to do it.
Glad to hear. V12 was the first really good one, and best until 14.2.2.2. It's now more refined and the end to end parking has gotten really good. Navigation is still a problem though, it's the only reason I disengage.
No he is trying to make the distinction that Mercedes had level 3 per their marketing and Tesla only has level 2. It’s a weird anti Tesla talking point that has no bearing on the real world. Whenever you hear someone talk about level 2 autonomous driving they will be trying to make a point.
So you're trying to tell me that I was saying something different from what I clearly said?
No. Tesla's ADAS is clearly exceptionally good.
My point which I thought I made fairly clearly, is that it is exactly what it is and nothing more. It is an exceptionally good level 2 ADAS, no doubt.
But also, they have nothing beyond that commercially available. They have Robotaxi, which still has an observer in the right seat, ready to stop the car if necessary. They've also only been running half a dozen cars at a time, and even with only half a dozen cars on the road, they've racked up half a dozen accidents in 6 months. That's a pretty impressive fender bender rate, and makes me extremely suspicious that they're actually making reasonable progress with their current technology.
I want Tesla to succeed. The more competitors in this space the better. If they succeed with their current approach and technology, I will be moderately surprises, but only moderately.
Given their record of making grandiose claims that they don't come close to living up to, though, I will believe it when I see it operating successfully across a wide range of operational domains over a significant period of time, and I won't believe a single damn word that Elon tells us until I see it for myself.
It’s going to end up just like GPS. It will be ubiquitous and available in all cars. Tesla may be the first to market and the best as of right now but the rest will catch up and the campany’s market cap will reflect that.
The same has happened with BYD and battery production and other manufacturing costs. The software is the last domino to fall, but it’s coming. This is a slow moving train…
Solving a Robotaxi system --> 10,000 man hours away from selling the system to an automanufacturing group. Assuming Waymo coudl not sell their Robotaxi software to Toyota is worse than an Ostritch with their head in the sand.
GPS software in cars is dominated by a duopoly between 2 of the richest companies in the world, Apple and Google. I absolutely believe FSD will become ubiquitous like you said, but like other tech, it will result in a market dominated by 1-3 players.
And that's from motortrend? wow...
MotorTrend has been very good to Tesla if you look at the entire life of the company. . . It gave the Model S car of the year
With 260 mile range
No Supercharging network
No Autopilot
Really crappy UI
Tesla just stopped focusing on the things Motortrend cares about
Gemini says:
Historically, MotorTrend has been one of Tesla’s strongest mainstream supporters, arguably validating the company when the rest of the auto industry was still skeptical. However, their coverage has become more critical in recent years (2024–2026) as they shifted focus from Tesla’s revolutionary engineering to its build quality and daily usability.
If you are looking for a binary answer, they are historically Pro-Product but increasingly Critical of Execution.
Your answer is better than mine
When the S came out is was an amazing achievement even though its specs aren't exciting today. They proved that an EV can actually be practical. It was an achievement of such a good car, it was not believed possible in the general car world to do it.
That's a big deal. V14 is really really good.
I know I’m a HW3 peasant but the current v12 HW3 is pretty damn good too.
Glad to hear. V12 was the first really good one, and best until 14.2.2.2. It's now more refined and the end to end parking has gotten really good. Navigation is still a problem though, it's the only reason I disengage.
It’s going to keep improving too at an exponential rate. Plus hardware improvements. Buckle your seat belts! We mooning soon
It really is a great ADAS! I love my FSD as an ADAS. . . Especially now I have smurfed the interior camera! :)
I don't think anybody disputes that. Tesla has the best level 2 ADAS available on the market.
It's the extrapolations and claims beyond what they've demonstrated they're capable of, that cause all the dispute.
It is the best hands down compared to any other available system in the US for individuals to buy.
That's what they said
No he is trying to make the distinction that Mercedes had level 3 per their marketing and Tesla only has level 2. It’s a weird anti Tesla talking point that has no bearing on the real world. Whenever you hear someone talk about level 2 autonomous driving they will be trying to make a point.
They didn't mention level 3 or Mercedes.
Mentioning level 2 is to designate that is the best LEVEL 2 available and nothing more. You have to read between the lines.
So you're trying to tell me that I was saying something different from what I clearly said?
No. Tesla's ADAS is clearly exceptionally good.
My point which I thought I made fairly clearly, is that it is exactly what it is and nothing more. It is an exceptionally good level 2 ADAS, no doubt.
But also, they have nothing beyond that commercially available. They have Robotaxi, which still has an observer in the right seat, ready to stop the car if necessary. They've also only been running half a dozen cars at a time, and even with only half a dozen cars on the road, they've racked up half a dozen accidents in 6 months. That's a pretty impressive fender bender rate, and makes me extremely suspicious that they're actually making reasonable progress with their current technology.
I want Tesla to succeed. The more competitors in this space the better. If they succeed with their current approach and technology, I will be moderately surprises, but only moderately.
Given their record of making grandiose claims that they don't come close to living up to, though, I will believe it when I see it operating successfully across a wide range of operational domains over a significant period of time, and I won't believe a single damn word that Elon tells us until I see it for myself.
So where am I wrong in what I said. Whenever someone mentions level 2 they have an axe to grind.
That Tesla is level two and hasn't yet accomplished anything beyond that, isn't an ax to grind, it's a simple statement of fact.
Whenever someone wants mentions Tesla and level 2 they all have the same opinion. Change my view
EDS leads people to dispute many things regardless of what the reality is.
It will be really good when Fred says so.
ok but is it worth 1.4 trillion?
Yes
It’s going to end up just like GPS. It will be ubiquitous and available in all cars. Tesla may be the first to market and the best as of right now but the rest will catch up and the campany’s market cap will reflect that.
The same has happened with BYD and battery production and other manufacturing costs. The software is the last domino to fall, but it’s coming. This is a slow moving train…
Wonder how you expect them to just 'catch up'
According to Reddit, by not being Tesla, anyone can catch up LMAO
Yeah, but no one is remotely close to FSD.. if they license out the software somehow maybe they’ll have a chance lol
Waymo isn't? They're giving actusl rides.
Oh didn’t know you can buy and own a Waymo, and go anywhere you want?
Though it was for hire and geofenced to certain cities
Totally agree with you…
Solving a Robotaxi system --> 10,000 man hours away from selling the system to an automanufacturing group. Assuming Waymo coudl not sell their Robotaxi software to Toyota is worse than an Ostritch with their head in the sand.
So that’s a no, you can’t buy and own a Waymo, and have it take you anywhere, and without a 60 mph limit lmao
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTOde4jCMt0/?igsh=MXIwNXFidmUyYm5iNA==
Waymo lmao
GPS software in cars is dominated by a duopoly between 2 of the richest companies in the world, Apple and Google. I absolutely believe FSD will become ubiquitous like you said, but like other tech, it will result in a market dominated by 1-3 players.
Yep!!!!! FSD unsupervised here we go