Mass production isn't that much of a problem, I know you are kind of kidding. It costs money and time but every car company knows how to do it. Besides designing and building at acceptable cost, the primary missing part for robots is a useful robot brain.
There's not a robot brain anywhere in the world. Tesla doesn't have one, that's why they have endless kind of misleading human remote control demos. Boston Dynamics has seemed to be ahead, didn't know they had this progress. Google bought them and worked on it for a while.
If its coming in 2+ years it's not really a product, it's something they hope to be good enough under development.
Great that Boston Dynamics has lots of experience with mass production from their Spot and Stretch robots which have been built in the 1000s and 10,000s respectively.
We also don’t know when all the different projects were built out but we do know seven have purchased Stretch including major companies like DHL and H&M. 100 robots between 7 companies is ridiculous.
Boston Dynamics has confirmed that DHL has purchased over 1000 of the robots so far alone. It takes time to set up the automated lines at these companies.
According to a release, the Atlas product brings with it 56 degrees of freedom, self-battery replacement, significant strength (it can lift up to 110 pounds), and even weatherproofing, which may prove valuable in some factory environments.
The Atlas humanoid product is also equipped with human-like hands that include tactile sensors, and the company claims it can be trained on new tasks in under a day.
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Not content to lean on one AI leader, Boston Dynamics also announced a strategic partnership with Google's DeepMind. The pair will work together on developing Google's "cutting-edge robot AI foundation models." What that likely means is that Atlas training and skill may accelerate in 2026.
What is missing here is any mention of costs on even a per-robot basis. Spot generally costs $75,000 a piece. The Atlas Humanoid product is likely at least double (if not triple) that. Boston Dynamics also stands apart of competitors like 1X (Neo Beta), Figure AI (Figure 03), and Tesla Optimus, all of which have plans (some coming soon) of deploying humanoid robots in homes. Atlas's roboptic sights are set firmly on the factory space.
I'm not disagreeing wth you, you have a point. It's more like an announcement of a future product which is not yet ready. These lines get blurry (when Apple announces an iPhone for release next week, is that prototype or product?) but 2028 is pretty far off, and it suggests they have quite a lot of work to do still.
It's also fuzzy because they're suggesting the prototypes will be working in factories this year, so.. are the prototypes actually products?
I think at some point we all need to just need to shrug your shoulders and abandon the semantics game. It is what it is. The most important thing is just tracking the progress.
I don’t think you can do that especially with Tesla. Up until the past year Apple had a strong record of releasing a product when they said, Tesla has been the opposite of that.
Tesla tackles impossible tasks. Things that have never been done. Apple re-designs a rectangle… of course it’s easier to release the product on time. But software, that’s something else.
What has Tesla done that hasn’t been done before? They innovate no more or less than Apple. Electric cars have been around for over 100 years. They iterated over them and improved them. Same goes with energy storage batteries, etc
Private supercharger network? 48v archetecture? 100% vision based end to end NN autonomy? Large scale over-the-air vehicle updates? Mass production steer-by wire in a consumer vehicle? Sentry mode? Bio weapons defense mode?
Really? The built a charger network. They increased previously 12V and 24V to 48V in one car model, its really not rocket science and they havent even adopted it to other car models yet. Autonomy doesnt work, and they havent even made vision do a good work replacing a 10 usd rain sensor thats been standard in cars for two decades. OTA, wow, now my car can be bricked in the morning due to an update failure, for an update that would make my face look lika lion in the cockpit camera. Really gonna bring up more cybershit stuff that isnt either hard or groundbreaking to do, steer-by-wire isnt unique for Tesla and have its drawbacks. Sentry mode? They didnt invent that, was a thing before Tesla existed, 5-10% battery drainage per day is impressive tho.
Making the robot is not a big deal. The important part is the software. Good humanoid robots are available right now for sale from Chinese companies. Software is key.
Without good software all these humanoid robots are a pain to deploy even more than normal robotics or tradinional automation machines.
Boston Dynamics is having Google Deepmind handle the software which they clearly are leading in. Back in 2022 Google already had AI that could allow a robot to deal with real world issues a human might ask a robot to help with. This was demoed with Everyday Robots building the hardware. Imagine how much further Google is now nearly 4 years later.
Boston Dynamics has done multiple large scale deployments of their Stretch robot along with deployments of Spot. BD has real world experience doing deployments on a large scale in an industrial environment so I don’t see the problem.
It's funny how Boston Dynamics was valued (1 billion) for less than the price Facebook paid for like one machine learning dude. All the old school robotics stuff is probably more a hindrance than a help.
Prototype is easy, mass-scale production of a product is hard
Agreed. See 2020 Roadster
Semi?
Mass production isn't that much of a problem, I know you are kind of kidding. It costs money and time but every car company knows how to do it. Besides designing and building at acceptable cost, the primary missing part for robots is a useful robot brain.
There's not a robot brain anywhere in the world. Tesla doesn't have one, that's why they have endless kind of misleading human remote control demos. Boston Dynamics has seemed to be ahead, didn't know they had this progress. Google bought them and worked on it for a while.
If its coming in 2+ years it's not really a product, it's something they hope to be good enough under development.
Boston Dynamics hasn't been owned by Google for some time. They are now owned by Hyundai.
Great that Boston Dynamics has lots of experience with mass production from their Spot and Stretch robots which have been built in the 1000s and 10,000s respectively.
"Stretch®, the warehouse robot, has unloaded more than 20 million boxes globally since its launch in 2023" - Hyundai, 5 days ago.
10,000 robots have only moved 2000 boxes each, in three years?
They don't mention how many robots have been produced, because its very few.
More like 100 robots, moving 182 boxes each per day for 3 years = 20 million.
We also don’t know when all the different projects were built out but we do know seven have purchased Stretch including major companies like DHL and H&M. 100 robots between 7 companies is ridiculous.
Boston Dynamics has confirmed that DHL has purchased over 1000 of the robots so far alone. It takes time to set up the automated lines at these companies.
Tesla doesn’t have either
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Very impressive motion @ ~1:10:30 here.
Honestly I like the look of the prototype better than the production model...
Gonna take a stab here and guess the 'production' one they're showing is optimized for factory work. Function first. I do agree with you, though.
A product does not release in 2 years. It’s not a product lol. It’s a prototype they hope that is a product in 2 years
Stares in Cybertruck
It’s somewhat of a product but Teslas robots aren’t a product either, or the new roadster
I'm not disagreeing wth you, you have a point. It's more like an announcement of a future product which is not yet ready. These lines get blurry (when Apple announces an iPhone for release next week, is that prototype or product?) but 2028 is pretty far off, and it suggests they have quite a lot of work to do still.
It's also fuzzy because they're suggesting the prototypes will be working in factories this year, so.. are the prototypes actually products?
I think at some point we all need to just need to shrug your shoulders and abandon the semantics game. It is what it is. The most important thing is just tracking the progress.
I don’t think you can do that especially with Tesla. Up until the past year Apple had a strong record of releasing a product when they said, Tesla has been the opposite of that.
Absolutely.
Tesla also innovates more than Apple…
Tesla tackles impossible tasks. Things that have never been done. Apple re-designs a rectangle… of course it’s easier to release the product on time. But software, that’s something else.
Lets not forget Apple intelligence…
What has Tesla done that hasn’t been done before? They innovate no more or less than Apple. Electric cars have been around for over 100 years. They iterated over them and improved them. Same goes with energy storage batteries, etc
Private supercharger network? 48v archetecture? 100% vision based end to end NN autonomy? Large scale over-the-air vehicle updates? Mass production steer-by wire in a consumer vehicle? Sentry mode? Bio weapons defense mode?
Ah yes, the impossible moonshot of... *checks notes* HEPA filters.
Really? The built a charger network. They increased previously 12V and 24V to 48V in one car model, its really not rocket science and they havent even adopted it to other car models yet. Autonomy doesnt work, and they havent even made vision do a good work replacing a 10 usd rain sensor thats been standard in cars for two decades. OTA, wow, now my car can be bricked in the morning due to an update failure, for an update that would make my face look lika lion in the cockpit camera. Really gonna bring up more cybershit stuff that isnt either hard or groundbreaking to do, steer-by-wire isnt unique for Tesla and have its drawbacks. Sentry mode? They didnt invent that, was a thing before Tesla existed, 5-10% battery drainage per day is impressive tho.
Not mainstream though… Tesla did that. No one wants a Volt. They want 3/Y’s…
Tesla up tomorrow 10%🤦♂️
Making the robot is not a big deal. The important part is the software. Good humanoid robots are available right now for sale from Chinese companies. Software is key.
Without good software all these humanoid robots are a pain to deploy even more than normal robotics or tradinional automation machines.
So the key is the software.
Boston Dynamics is having Google Deepmind handle the software which they clearly are leading in. Back in 2022 Google already had AI that could allow a robot to deal with real world issues a human might ask a robot to help with. This was demoed with Everyday Robots building the hardware. Imagine how much further Google is now nearly 4 years later.
It's not about demos. It's about real-world deployment. If a demo takes 3 months of engineering to set up, it might not be worth it in the factory.
I'm not saying their software isn't good enough. Just that selling hardware is pretty meaningless these days.
Boston Dynamics has done multiple large scale deployments of their Stretch robot along with deployments of Spot. BD has real world experience doing deployments on a large scale in an industrial environment so I don’t see the problem.
Why does it look like it’s gonna shoot a fire blast from its head
A little late with the 2028 timeline.
Late for what? The 5000-10000 optimus robots that would walk out of Teslas factory -last year-?
Yeah, considering that an Optimus is headed to Mars this year. Surely Tesla and SpaceX will stick to THAT timeline.
Seems odd for them to send Optimus to Mars two years after SpaceX sent humans there. You'd think you want to send the robots first.
Maybe to bury the humans that died there when all the supply runs didnt make it..
It’s just a precautionary measure to provide domestic services in case the human colonists don’t find native intelligent life to enslave.
2028? what the fuck? lol
That's only 2 years from now? That's less time than it takes Tesla to show and launch a product.
..and take payments for it.
Begun, the robot economy has
It's funny how Boston Dynamics was valued (1 billion) for less than the price Facebook paid for like one machine learning dude. All the old school robotics stuff is probably more a hindrance than a help.