Anyone else find it interesting that Nova is trying desperately to calm her parents and make THEM feel better over the situation but is supposedly the one freaking out so bad about her sister that Cait had to call Teresa and have Carly talk her of a ledge???? Seems like nova is the calm one in these situations!
It never ceases to amaze... the very people who placed her for adoption to have the best childhood, are the very people who interfere in her having the best childhood. Make it make sense.
I can totally see why this was last visit they had with Carly. She was too old for Cate and Tyler to be crying like this. Nova seemed to have a good time with her and she wasn’t crying. C&T suffocate Carly and it’s probably too much to deal with. This reaction is just alarming.
I also think that Catelynn wants to know every little detail about Carly, so that she can have little peices of her in her own life. Like, Carly’s favorite color is blue, so let’s look for blue, let’s paint the living room her favorite shade of blue. Carly likes track so let’s incorporate that into our lives somehow. Carly likes this perfume, so let me buy some to use everyday, and spray when I’m really missing her. I did that type of stuff when my grandmother died when I was 11.
Not me personally, but she provided a comment about this a few years ago. This has been ongoing for quite a while.
I don't think it's my place to get involved in her life. Carly, Brandon, and Theresa have all asked for privacy multiple times, and I'm going to respect that.
Yet you’re here commenting on her life in anyway. Everyone wants C&T to leave Carly alone but there’s posts everyday about it. It’s not going to go away because people continue to engage in this.
Feel sorry for Carly to deal with all of you on top of the shit she already has to go through.
I mean, it doesn't really matter whether or not I'm lying. You don't have to dig very far to find this out. Carly, Brandon, and Theresa have all said this multiple times.
But really, why should she have to write a peer-reviewed scholarly article for you to believe her? You can clearly see the results of her disinterest in reconnecting with them with your own eyes.
Why? You can see the results of her opinions with your own eyes lol.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter who's telling the truth. She clearly doesn't want anything to do with them, so it doesn't really matter how many times she asked them to leave her alone.
She commented on this a few times. She also told the adoption agency that she isn't open to having contact with them.
Aside from that, you can clearly see the results of her disinterest in reconnecting with them in real life. You don't even have to go snooping through her Facebook profile to figure this out lol.
I feel so bad for the kids they do have. Imagine being reminded of how much you aren't the first offspring. Never will be able to measure up etc. Carly is not their sister, she is a stranger that is related to them. It's so toxic.
If you think about it, they were praised on Teen Mom for being responsible and making smart decisions about their futures and Carly's future. But then Carly gets adopted and lives with the other family and they stop getting the attention and praise for making good decisions regarding Carly. I think they want to be viewed as heroes or something and they think the conversation needs to shift back to how strong and selfless they are/were but everyone is like, yo, you literally have a kid you are neglecting to chase this hero fantasy. It's like if they can just spend more time with Carly she will see what saints they are and will place them on this pedestal like they were on before. It's very clearly about them and not Carly.
I don’t understand why these 2 have to bloody carry on🤬They gave up their parental rights once they signed papers for Carly’s adoption. They have their own family now just move on & concentrate on them. Just let Carly & her parents live a normal family life. Carly’s parents are protecting her privacy as well as mental health.
That maybe easy for you to say but you didn’t make the same decisions they did. First off, let me say I do not like how Cate and Tyler have been acting and manipulating the situation. They need to stop. They gave up Carly and she is clearly living a good life with B & T and they don’t want all the drama and spotlight that comes with the series.
I will say that cate and Tyler were extremely young when they made the decision and chose adoption for Carly. They both had shit family lives. Just watching the early episodes (and to present day), you can see how they were treated by Butch and April. The way April and butch spoke to Cate was horrific. April was so mean and nasty to cate back in the early years, it breaks my heart for her. The decision to give up Carly had to be difficult for cate. She knew she couldn’t give her a good home which was evident from what we saw played out on tv. I think Cate and Tyler were very naive and trusting the adoption process. I believe cate, Tyler, Brandon and Theresa all had good intentions. I think they all thought that the visits and communication would work. Everyone had good intentions but those were promises made (not contractual). Now - none of them thought TM series would go on to be on tv as long as it has been. Once the popularity took off, and Tyler and cate started making more money, I believe they wished they had not made that choice. They’ve come to realize that they made a lot of money from the show and can “give Carly the life they give the other children”. Unfortunately the attention the show brought made Brandon and Theresa want to take a step back. Carly was getting too much media attention. Cate and Tyler doubled down and started all the “they aren’t keeping their promises…”. They now have a platform and are using it which is making things even worse. It’s a sad situation all around.
Poor, poor, Nova. The fact that child is in this car trying to "silver lining” the whole situation breaks my heart! I hear the anxiety under the cheerfulness. T&C’s constant bitching and whining about every aspect of this adoption, day in and day out has this poor kid walking on eggshells! There was one thing she told her grandfather that she had to be repeating because it sounded like it came straight from Tyler’s mouth! It was "at least we got to have some fun this time”. Leave it to Tyler to complain about seeing his daughter he gave up for adoption after complaining non-stop about not getting to see her! They are going to have a reconning one day when it comes to their kids and it’s not the one they’re preparing for, which is "why did you give me up for adoption?” It’s going to come from Nova! It could be, what happened to my childhood or why did you lean o me for emotional support at age 6? But it will probably be , why wasn’t I good enough? I hope they’re ready!
Also, I love the idea of Carly living privately & protected off tv, offline, meaning (off of social media) off of the fan pages, and all. She gets to live a whole normal life without MTV, without social media, or the media in general with C&T being on a reality show. I myself have gone through some really serious harassment. It went from cyber stalking to real life stalking. At this point this anonymous Reddit, and a totally private & anonymous IG account is all I have and I don’t even allow messages or have any followers on IG.
I can’t think of the word for it, but I like it that it’s raining there. Carly’s birthday closer to the end of May, the 18th I believe. This was probably in June. It’s raining, it’s night time, and it’s the end of the visit. How somber, I guess? I think they cry every time at the of it because they knew that eventually the adoption would close. Most open adoptions definitely don’t stay open this long. I think they realized that any one of their visits could very well be the last one, and they might never get to see her again, and if they do they don’t know when because the future is so uncertain. Especially, with people like C&T and their family. I don’t think B&T ever expected them to act quite like they are now.
I’m in my 40s now. I was the involuntarily designated peacekeeper in my home as a child and that shit still haunts me. Poor Nova, she never stood a chance.
Yes. There was a post awhile back and someone i assume was cate was spouting off in it. Instead of using third person she was using first person pronouns. She got called out and promptly deleted the account.
Eta iicr it was the post about how they divide parenting. Tyler gets thd mornings and cate gets bedtime
Nice. I just stopped by, I’m usually over on the Jenkins snark. I’ve watched these clowns since they gave up the baby they now can’t seem to come to terms with. This particular clip is so heartbreaking
Nova is one day going to resent her mom and dad. This is very inappropriate to expose a young child to. Not saying they shouldn’t talk about how she has a big sister who’s adopted but narrating Carly as “the big sister” of their family, when really Carly is Brandon and Theresa’s family.
Cate and Ty ought to be ashamed of themselves for acting like this around their daughters.
I know this is when April got drunk and they brought the entire white trash bash, makes me wonder what exactly happened with B&T&C. I’m sure something was said and I’m sure Carly felt some type of way. It’s like you said they realize they aren’t her parents,and like they know this was the end of the open adoption.
Wasn’t their other child and the other mom there on the same visit. Cate got jealous that B&T wouldn’t let Carly ride w them when the brother got to ride a his bio mom.
Like noooo duh. She likely isn’t pushing like y’all. Isn’t ignoring boundaries and last but not least doesn’t have producers and a camera crew w her 😩
I’m sure April was drunk and Cate likely made it even worse by discussing it. Instead of simply asking she leave or ya know leaving her and the rest of the gruesome twosomes in the octagon
Catelynn said that herself, Tyler, Nova and Carly all got to talk for like 45 minutes, just them. I wonder if they made her feel uncomfortable with their bs about “You can come back to us whenever you want.” Or whatever.
Dave also said it was the most alone time C&T had ever gotten with Carly (she was 14 at the time). I'm 100% sure they tried to take advantage of that and "tell their truth" and made her uncomfortable. That's probably why they declined a visit the next year (which is when Cate had a public meltdown, harassed Teresa and got the adoption closed)
All I see in this clip is a child trying to make her parents feel better. No child should ever feel like they are basically gentle parenting their own parents.
Indeed. Those sweet babies should NOT feel responsible for babysitting the egos and emotions of their PARENTS. That is toxic and harmful beyond belief.
Nova knows how much this triggers her parents, specifically Catelynn. She is trying so hard to comfort them, and tbh this is way too much for such a sweet, young child. She shouldn’t have to worry about adult issues. It’s heartbreaking, honestly.
Ohh poor Nova baby, that breaks my heart. The way she is FIGHTING to control the situation, at her little age, is so wrong. They are not there for her, just reminding her they wish Carly was there more. She is far too young to understand the complexity of the situation, and she’s only ever heard her parents side.
Not saying they should have Carly a deep dark secret, but this is too much. They should have told Nova about Carly when she was old enough. Nova seems like the sweetest, smartest kid and she doesn't deserve to live in Carly's shadow.
I mean I understand letting the have occasional visits but you don’t even really have to explain the whole narrative to them until they’re older. I think the reason their kids in particular are struggling with it is because these two ding bats are constantly talking about how their sister was taken away from them so they actively feel that absence and pain that they don’t need to feel.
All they do is talk about their "sister" who was stolen from them and how mean Brandon and Theresa are to them. They should be happy Carly is living a better life and seems to be happy.
That is way too m7ch heavy info for Nova to hear and be privy to. Let kids be kids for awhile without involving them in adult issues. This crap will follow her into adulthood
Opinion I formed recently is they never should have involved their kids in the whole relationship or visits with Carly. They can know about her, but the visits should have been kept strictly between B and T, cate, Tyler and Carly. Nobody else. (Not their parents either.) maybe it could have been when the girls are all older, like late teens and older they can meet if they all want to. This is too much for a young child. And she shouldn’t see her parents falling apart like this and feel like she has to comfort them. This is wrong
but the visits should have been kept strictly between B and T, cate, Tyler and Carly. Nobody else. (Not their parents either.)
Certainly not when 1 of their parents was drunk. Dawn tried to get them to do this but did it via a gentle suggestion.
I would not be surprised if C&T involving their kids in the relationship and how they've handled that involvement played a part in the adoption closing. C&T's kids have only met Carly a few times - C&T have claimed that those kids cry over Carly, 1 of their kids was so upset at 1 point that Catelyn got Teresa to have Carly call and calm down the kid. Completely removing the potential hard emotional feelings of your biological parents staying together and having 3 more kids and keeping them is for Carly now imagine 2 people who are virtually strangers to you having their kids so worked up about you that they cry over you and how unsettling and scary that probably is for Carly.
I am not siding with cate and ty on any of this and I am appalled at how they've handled this entire situation but I do have a little insight on this piece of the puzzle. I was adopted, had an open adoption. I saw my birth family at least twice a year (we were only 45 minutes away) when I was 3 I was the flower girl in their wedding and when I was 10 they had my little sister. My first ever full blood sibling. Now i had an older brother I grew up with but we were never close. The day I met my little sister was a game changer. The moment I held her in my arms I knew it was different. I cried every day I was away from her for about a month. I was 10 years old and had only met her once. I just wanted to be with her. She was always called my sister, nothing else. I was so in love with her. We became extremely close. The difference here is I saw her more often and I actually would go for weekend sleep overs every other month at my birth family's house. I was pretty involved with the whole family. It was definitely different than most people would think but that's where it's important to remember that every single adoption is different. My sister adored me, she did actually miss me, and did cry for me. She told everyone about me as if I lived in the same home as her. She drew me in all her pictures of the family. That all being said, me and my sister actually knew each other really well and spent alot of time together. It's different but I just want people to know, it's not as far fetched as people make it seem here on this sub. It's just my situation wasn't drenched in manipulation and fueled by entitlement and fame. So there's a very real possibility that nova and carly do feel a legitimate connection to each other that can't be explained with words. Unfortunately it's been tainted by cate and ty and their inability to put their own feelings aside. I feel for nova, you can clearly see her trying to be the parent here and comfort cate and ty. I think that's one of the saddest parts of this, these girls aren't getting any of the support they need and the young ones are being fed a narrative that they don't understand and they blindly believe because their parents told them.
Them using novas emotions in attempts to get what they wanted from carly's family was just sick. And their other younger girl was for sure copying nova because she could see the attention nova got from all of that.
All that being said, I do actually agree that cate and tys kids didn't need to be so heavily involved as they were but I say that solely based on the immaturity of cate and ty and the fact that they were never equipped to properly handle the situation.
Just wanted to share 😊
Hopefully that all made sense.
I agree, if they would have been lowkey about it nd acted as if was a normal thing and kept the adult stuff to themselves the kids would have been fine. Their constant venting about the adoption is why nova has these (panic attacks?) feelings!
The amount of trauma & stress they put on Nova regarding Carly is tragic. That poor little girl has the weight of the world on her shoulders. C & T built Carly up into this “perfect child” in their minds, & now Nova has to compete w an image that isn’t even based in reality.
Since I am having a shit day, My biggest hope for Xmas this year is for Carly to never ever ever allow them to see her or communicate with her forever. I'd love a restraining order at 8am on the day of her 18th. And I wanna watch Cate spiral. What demonic evil people she and Tyler are. Raise the lil replacements you popped out instead of worship of a child who wants nothing to do with you uneducated dumbfucks.
They’re glass children to a girl that was never even in their home. If people don’t know, glass children refers to the siblings of chronically ill or disabled kids who are essentially ignored so the parents can focus on the sick kid. They get used to their needs being neglected to focus on the other child and having to regulate their parents.
Yeah it’s pretty messed up to watch. Honestly, they are purposely traumatizing her at this point. Carly is like “the golden child” and the rest are just replacements. And the “replacement” children are totally aware of it.
If I had a kid I gave up, I’d hold onto that trauma myself. I wouldn’t involve my kids until they’re much older, especially given how the “open adoption” panned out. Maybe when my kid is 16, I could say, “Did you know when I was your age I had a baby?” And then explain it to them. If the adoption was still open, I don’t know that I would tell my kid it was a sibling as it would be too confusing to then leave said sibling with a whole other family when the visit ends. I think for the time being, I’d say we are visiting a cousin. Then when they are older you tell them that Carly is actually your sister.
Does anyone else think if cate and tyler had went no contact with april and butch they would be lightyears ahead in healing/recovering from their trauma?
Nova has been dragged into this. She knows things that cause angst for a little girl. It must seem like her sister was stolen.
I HATE background music in clips 😭😭
Sorry. It was the best I could find.
Anyone else find it interesting that Nova is trying desperately to calm her parents and make THEM feel better over the situation but is supposedly the one freaking out so bad about her sister that Cait had to call Teresa and have Carly talk her of a ledge???? Seems like nova is the calm one in these situations!
This makes me so angry.. they are trauma dumping on that kid and she will be messed up for this.
Yup and emotionally immature
It never ceases to amaze... the very people who placed her for adoption to have the best childhood, are the very people who interfere in her having the best childhood. Make it make sense.
💰💰💰💰& clout unfortunately
I can totally see why this was last visit they had with Carly. She was too old for Cate and Tyler to be crying like this. Nova seemed to have a good time with her and she wasn’t crying. C&T suffocate Carly and it’s probably too much to deal with. This reaction is just alarming.
Cate's dad also mentioned later it was the longest time they had one on one with Carly too. You just know they were saying some crazy shit to her.
Yeah. I can imagine at least one of them said some stuff that made Carly do a double take.
I also think that Catelynn wants to know every little detail about Carly, so that she can have little peices of her in her own life. Like, Carly’s favorite color is blue, so let’s look for blue, let’s paint the living room her favorite shade of blue. Carly likes track so let’s incorporate that into our lives somehow. Carly likes this perfume, so let me buy some to use everyday, and spray when I’m really missing her. I did that type of stuff when my grandmother died when I was 11.
Grow up!!
Carly said that they don't bother reaching out to her when they're not being filmed.
When did you talk to her?
☠️
Not me personally, but she provided a comment about this a few years ago. This has been ongoing for quite a while.
I don't think it's my place to get involved in her life. Carly, Brandon, and Theresa have all asked for privacy multiple times, and I'm going to respect that.
Yet you’re here commenting on her life in anyway. Everyone wants C&T to leave Carly alone but there’s posts everyday about it. It’s not going to go away because people continue to engage in this. Feel sorry for Carly to deal with all of you on top of the shit she already has to go through.
I agree with you. I've made the same point before myself about the narcissistic YouTuber Onision. We should all just stop talking about them.
Yeah, i'll take it with a grain of salt.
I mean, it doesn't really matter whether or not I'm lying. You don't have to dig very far to find this out. Carly, Brandon, and Theresa have all said this multiple times.
But really, why should she have to write a peer-reviewed scholarly article for you to believe her? You can clearly see the results of her disinterest in reconnecting with them with your own eyes.
Yeah, I guess I'm not as far up that family's ass as some people.
C + T mentioned it themselves on the show
Why? You can see the results of her opinions with your own eyes lol.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter who's telling the truth. She clearly doesn't want anything to do with them, so it doesn't really matter how many times she asked them to leave her alone.
How would we know if Carly wants anything to do with them?
She commented on this a few times. She also told the adoption agency that she isn't open to having contact with them.
Aside from that, you can clearly see the results of her disinterest in reconnecting with them in real life. You don't even have to go snooping through her Facebook profile to figure this out lol.
Where did Carly comment on it?
Oh, you're looking at her facebook profile? That's gross.
I don't have Facebook. Nice try. 😉
Like showing up at her cheerleading practices and taking pictures of her without her knowledge or consent? That kind of gross, or no? 🤔
uh, of course it is. why would you even question it?
I feel so bad for the kids they do have. Imagine being reminded of how much you aren't the first offspring. Never will be able to measure up etc. Carly is not their sister, she is a stranger that is related to them. It's so toxic.
I feel terrible for their kids. They have to move on. Therapy and maybe step outside ? Jfc
Compared to how their parents had it, their lives are cake.
Cate used to not look like her mom. But in this clip, she really does.
I mean, aging does that.
This is old and boring , do they have nothing else to talk about ?!!
It's literally from several years ago.
Of course it is 🙄🙄🚩🚩💡💡
Im gonna have to block this sub im sick of these 2
i’m sorry but I can’t w the muscle tees around his little girls.
The muscle tees are one of the smallest problems when it comes to him & his daughters…
Your child should not be playing emotional support for you! That little girl is going to need so much therapy one day.
I’m so confused by this whose voices are those? Why does the title say Nova and Cates dad
I read it 10 times 😆 Nova, along with Cate’s dad, are comforting Tyler and Cate
Thank you! 🤣 This is why punctuation matters, people! Lol
This is so dramatic since they show very little genuine interest in what Carly was into.
But they want to send her photos and humble brag about their amazing life. 🙄
I cannot believe they were more mature at 16 than in their 30s. It’s insane.
They’re much more entitled now. I mean, they get paid millions to literally do nothing. They think they should have everything just handed to them.
ok they make a fair bit from MTV but neither of them are millionaires
I know I knowwwww
& don't send her birthday/Christmas cards or presents
I feel like that’s not showing interest but yeah.
Ugh. This genuinely triggers me. I was put in that role as a child. Being the emotional crutch to my mother since I was in diapers.
It was hell. The worst part is feeling responsible for their feelings. Constantly.
So you don’t wanna add any burden and you know, expect them to be a parent when you have some difficult feelings.
I couldn’t regulate my emotions properly til around 30.
With 16 years of extensive therapy and DBT.
I’m still really good at therapizing all my friends etc. but can’t work out whether I’m sad, angry, nervous or scared half the time.
How is a child more mature than her parents?
Also, she should not be put in that position that she has to be either.
Cate and Tyler chose THEMSELVES over and over and over again. It was ALWAYS about them never their child they willingly gave up. Period.
God, this is so incredibly unhealthy.
C&T chose MTV and social media over Carly, period
Big facts 💯
Thank you, kind anonymous award friend 🧡
Reactions like this would make me close the adoption too. They all seem like deranged drug/alcohol/food addicts.
If you think about it, they were praised on Teen Mom for being responsible and making smart decisions about their futures and Carly's future. But then Carly gets adopted and lives with the other family and they stop getting the attention and praise for making good decisions regarding Carly. I think they want to be viewed as heroes or something and they think the conversation needs to shift back to how strong and selfless they are/were but everyone is like, yo, you literally have a kid you are neglecting to chase this hero fantasy. It's like if they can just spend more time with Carly she will see what saints they are and will place them on this pedestal like they were on before. It's very clearly about them and not Carly.
I don’t understand why these 2 have to bloody carry on🤬They gave up their parental rights once they signed papers for Carly’s adoption. They have their own family now just move on & concentrate on them. Just let Carly & her parents live a normal family life. Carly’s parents are protecting her privacy as well as mental health.
That maybe easy for you to say but you didn’t make the same decisions they did. First off, let me say I do not like how Cate and Tyler have been acting and manipulating the situation. They need to stop. They gave up Carly and she is clearly living a good life with B & T and they don’t want all the drama and spotlight that comes with the series.
I will say that cate and Tyler were extremely young when they made the decision and chose adoption for Carly. They both had shit family lives. Just watching the early episodes (and to present day), you can see how they were treated by Butch and April. The way April and butch spoke to Cate was horrific. April was so mean and nasty to cate back in the early years, it breaks my heart for her. The decision to give up Carly had to be difficult for cate. She knew she couldn’t give her a good home which was evident from what we saw played out on tv. I think Cate and Tyler were very naive and trusting the adoption process. I believe cate, Tyler, Brandon and Theresa all had good intentions. I think they all thought that the visits and communication would work. Everyone had good intentions but those were promises made (not contractual). Now - none of them thought TM series would go on to be on tv as long as it has been. Once the popularity took off, and Tyler and cate started making more money, I believe they wished they had not made that choice. They’ve come to realize that they made a lot of money from the show and can “give Carly the life they give the other children”. Unfortunately the attention the show brought made Brandon and Theresa want to take a step back. Carly was getting too much media attention. Cate and Tyler doubled down and started all the “they aren’t keeping their promises…”. They now have a platform and are using it which is making things even worse. It’s a sad situation all around.
Poor, poor, Nova. The fact that child is in this car trying to "silver lining” the whole situation breaks my heart! I hear the anxiety under the cheerfulness. T&C’s constant bitching and whining about every aspect of this adoption, day in and day out has this poor kid walking on eggshells! There was one thing she told her grandfather that she had to be repeating because it sounded like it came straight from Tyler’s mouth! It was "at least we got to have some fun this time”. Leave it to Tyler to complain about seeing his daughter he gave up for adoption after complaining non-stop about not getting to see her! They are going to have a reconning one day when it comes to their kids and it’s not the one they’re preparing for, which is "why did you give me up for adoption?” It’s going to come from Nova! It could be, what happened to my childhood or why did you lean o me for emotional support at age 6? But it will probably be , why wasn’t I good enough? I hope they’re ready!
If they dont get their shit together, I feel like they girl will cut them off at some point.
Yes, poor Nova. Kids should not be exposed to this situation. They should have addressed it with her in a different, more healthy manner.
Nova has more intelligence than those 2 chuckleheads combined!
Also, I love the idea of Carly living privately & protected off tv, offline, meaning (off of social media) off of the fan pages, and all. She gets to live a whole normal life without MTV, without social media, or the media in general with C&T being on a reality show. I myself have gone through some really serious harassment. It went from cyber stalking to real life stalking. At this point this anonymous Reddit, and a totally private & anonymous IG account is all I have and I don’t even allow messages or have any followers on IG.
What season was this?
I think it was the next chapter.
I can’t think of the word for it, but I like it that it’s raining there. Carly’s birthday closer to the end of May, the 18th I believe. This was probably in June. It’s raining, it’s night time, and it’s the end of the visit. How somber, I guess? I think they cry every time at the of it because they knew that eventually the adoption would close. Most open adoptions definitely don’t stay open this long. I think they realized that any one of their visits could very well be the last one, and they might never get to see her again, and if they do they don’t know when because the future is so uncertain. Especially, with people like C&T and their family. I don’t think B&T ever expected them to act quite like they are now.
How is Nova so intelligent?
She is just repeating what she has heard her parents say her entire life.
Trauma
This. She was bred into a home that needed a peacekeeper. So she’s now going to carry the heavy burden of peacekeeper forever.
So sad
I’m in my 40s now. I was the involuntarily designated peacekeeper in my home as a child and that shit still haunts me. Poor Nova, she never stood a chance.
As a fellow designated peacekeeper, shit is draining and stressful af!! Sending you love 💕
I’m new here but does anyone know if either of them lurk here?
Yes. There was a post awhile back and someone i assume was cate was spouting off in it. Instead of using third person she was using first person pronouns. She got called out and promptly deleted the account.
Eta iicr it was the post about how they divide parenting. Tyler gets thd mornings and cate gets bedtime
Nice. I just stopped by, I’m usually over on the Jenkins snark. I’ve watched these clowns since they gave up the baby they now can’t seem to come to terms with. This particular clip is so heartbreaking
They absolutely do.
Tyler HATES Reddit, so he's absolutely reading here.
They do.
Off topic but, does Tyler not drive?
he’s a ✨passenger princess✨
I've heard he has bad road rage
They need to grow the F up & stop traumatizing Nova!!
Nova is one day going to resent her mom and dad. This is very inappropriate to expose a young child to. Not saying they shouldn’t talk about how she has a big sister who’s adopted but narrating Carly as “the big sister” of their family, when really Carly is Brandon and Theresa’s family. Cate and Ty ought to be ashamed of themselves for acting like this around their daughters.
This is when it sank in they aren’t Carly’s parents imo
Eh that still hasn't sank in, imo
I know this is when April got drunk and they brought the entire white trash bash, makes me wonder what exactly happened with B&T&C. I’m sure something was said and I’m sure Carly felt some type of way. It’s like you said they realize they aren’t her parents,and like they know this was the end of the open adoption.
Wasn’t their other child and the other mom there on the same visit. Cate got jealous that B&T wouldn’t let Carly ride w them when the brother got to ride a his bio mom.
Like noooo duh. She likely isn’t pushing like y’all. Isn’t ignoring boundaries and last but not least doesn’t have producers and a camera crew w her 😩
I’m sure April was drunk and Cate likely made it even worse by discussing it. Instead of simply asking she leave or ya know leaving her and the rest of the gruesome twosomes in the octagon
They also knew they had a camera in her car.
Honestly I’d be so scared of them trying to kidnap Carly.
I mean, I probably wouldn’t let her go with them either. Cate has been filmed on camera smoking weed while driving.
Really? Yikes
Catelynn said that herself, Tyler, Nova and Carly all got to talk for like 45 minutes, just them. I wonder if they made her feel uncomfortable with their bs about “You can come back to us whenever you want.” Or whatever.
Wasn’t this also the visit they had nova beg for a sleepover too? Poor C
Now that you mention it, I think so.
White trash bash 💀
I’m totally stealing this term next time I go to my metthy hometown 😂
Dave also said it was the most alone time C&T had ever gotten with Carly (she was 14 at the time). I'm 100% sure they tried to take advantage of that and "tell their truth" and made her uncomfortable. That's probably why they declined a visit the next year (which is when Cate had a public meltdown, harassed Teresa and got the adoption closed)
This.
That’s been my speculation for a while.
All I see in this clip is a child trying to make her parents feel better. No child should ever feel like they are basically gentle parenting their own parents.
Indeed. Those sweet babies should NOT feel responsible for babysitting the egos and emotions of their PARENTS. That is toxic and harmful beyond belief.
Nova knows how much this triggers her parents, specifically Catelynn. She is trying so hard to comfort them, and tbh this is way too much for such a sweet, young child. She shouldn’t have to worry about adult issues. It’s heartbreaking, honestly.
Ohh poor Nova baby, that breaks my heart. The way she is FIGHTING to control the situation, at her little age, is so wrong. They are not there for her, just reminding her they wish Carly was there more. She is far too young to understand the complexity of the situation, and she’s only ever heard her parents side.
Not saying they should have Carly a deep dark secret, but this is too much. They should have told Nova about Carly when she was old enough. Nova seems like the sweetest, smartest kid and she doesn't deserve to live in Carly's shadow.
I mean I understand letting the have occasional visits but you don’t even really have to explain the whole narrative to them until they’re older. I think the reason their kids in particular are struggling with it is because these two ding bats are constantly talking about how their sister was taken away from them so they actively feel that absence and pain that they don’t need to feel.
All they do is talk about their "sister" who was stolen from them and how mean Brandon and Theresa are to them. They should be happy Carly is living a better life and seems to be happy.
Seriously they’ve completely made up a narrative that is really hurting the children they actually have in their care
Nova... oh my goodness, what a sweet girl...
That is way too m7ch heavy info for Nova to hear and be privy to. Let kids be kids for awhile without involving them in adult issues. This crap will follow her into adulthood
Opinion I formed recently is they never should have involved their kids in the whole relationship or visits with Carly. They can know about her, but the visits should have been kept strictly between B and T, cate, Tyler and Carly. Nobody else. (Not their parents either.) maybe it could have been when the girls are all older, like late teens and older they can meet if they all want to. This is too much for a young child. And she shouldn’t see her parents falling apart like this and feel like she has to comfort them. This is wrong
Certainly not when 1 of their parents was drunk. Dawn tried to get them to do this but did it via a gentle suggestion.
I would not be surprised if C&T involving their kids in the relationship and how they've handled that involvement played a part in the adoption closing. C&T's kids have only met Carly a few times - C&T have claimed that those kids cry over Carly, 1 of their kids was so upset at 1 point that Catelyn got Teresa to have Carly call and calm down the kid. Completely removing the potential hard emotional feelings of your biological parents staying together and having 3 more kids and keeping them is for Carly now imagine 2 people who are virtually strangers to you having their kids so worked up about you that they cry over you and how unsettling and scary that probably is for Carly.
I am not siding with cate and ty on any of this and I am appalled at how they've handled this entire situation but I do have a little insight on this piece of the puzzle. I was adopted, had an open adoption. I saw my birth family at least twice a year (we were only 45 minutes away) when I was 3 I was the flower girl in their wedding and when I was 10 they had my little sister. My first ever full blood sibling. Now i had an older brother I grew up with but we were never close. The day I met my little sister was a game changer. The moment I held her in my arms I knew it was different. I cried every day I was away from her for about a month. I was 10 years old and had only met her once. I just wanted to be with her. She was always called my sister, nothing else. I was so in love with her. We became extremely close. The difference here is I saw her more often and I actually would go for weekend sleep overs every other month at my birth family's house. I was pretty involved with the whole family. It was definitely different than most people would think but that's where it's important to remember that every single adoption is different. My sister adored me, she did actually miss me, and did cry for me. She told everyone about me as if I lived in the same home as her. She drew me in all her pictures of the family. That all being said, me and my sister actually knew each other really well and spent alot of time together. It's different but I just want people to know, it's not as far fetched as people make it seem here on this sub. It's just my situation wasn't drenched in manipulation and fueled by entitlement and fame. So there's a very real possibility that nova and carly do feel a legitimate connection to each other that can't be explained with words. Unfortunately it's been tainted by cate and ty and their inability to put their own feelings aside. I feel for nova, you can clearly see her trying to be the parent here and comfort cate and ty. I think that's one of the saddest parts of this, these girls aren't getting any of the support they need and the young ones are being fed a narrative that they don't understand and they blindly believe because their parents told them. Them using novas emotions in attempts to get what they wanted from carly's family was just sick. And their other younger girl was for sure copying nova because she could see the attention nova got from all of that. All that being said, I do actually agree that cate and tys kids didn't need to be so heavily involved as they were but I say that solely based on the immaturity of cate and ty and the fact that they were never equipped to properly handle the situation. Just wanted to share 😊 Hopefully that all made sense.
This. It should be up to the girls to decide.
They are wrong for ever telling those kids this young about this
I don’t think they’re wrong for telling them about Carly but they definitely never should’ve made her such a huge focal point of their lives.
It all could’ve been handled so much better. It’s frustrating to watch them at this point.
I agree, if they would have been lowkey about it nd acted as if was a normal thing and kept the adult stuff to themselves the kids would have been fine. Their constant venting about the adoption is why nova has these (panic attacks?) feelings!
The amount of trauma & stress they put on Nova regarding Carly is tragic. That poor little girl has the weight of the world on her shoulders. C & T built Carly up into this “perfect child” in their minds, & now Nova has to compete w an image that isn’t even based in reality.
I hope Nova has a great counselor to speak to when she gets older
Nova emotionally regulating the car.
Poor little parentified baby girl 😔
Since I am having a shit day, My biggest hope for Xmas this year is for Carly to never ever ever allow them to see her or communicate with her forever. I'd love a restraining order at 8am on the day of her 18th. And I wanna watch Cate spiral. What demonic evil people she and Tyler are. Raise the lil replacements you popped out instead of worship of a child who wants nothing to do with you uneducated dumbfucks.
1- I agree with all of this & especially love the last sentence
2- I'm sending you a hug & hope your day/evening gets better babe <3
I agree. And be blessed. I hope you have a better day tomorrow and the entire next year
I hope your day gets better 🥰
They both look devastated, and trying to hold it together in a difficult moment. They’ve made poor choices but this clip is just kinda sad tbh
I just wish they would realize it's also hard for the other side.
Boom. This comment right here. Rarely do I ever see this mentioned. Thank you. It's hard for every single individual involved.
Is an adoptee the family who adopts the child? I’m sorry, I can never keep the terms straight. I hope it’s okay I asked.
Adoptee is the child who was adopted
Thank you! Idk why it gets so tangled in my brain.
It's so sick that they did this Nova in the car. So sick.
“If you two wouldn’t have met, you wouldn’t have me in your life.”
Trying desperately to remind her parents that she exists and she’s important, too.
EXACTLY. She and her sisters are nothing but attempts to replace Carly. Living in the shadow of this ghost girl they idolize over her.
They’re glass children to a girl that was never even in their home. If people don’t know, glass children refers to the siblings of chronically ill or disabled kids who are essentially ignored so the parents can focus on the sick kid. They get used to their needs being neglected to focus on the other child and having to regulate their parents.
I feel so bad for her. She's so sweet. Unfortunately, all they focus on is Carly though. 💔
Yeah it’s pretty messed up to watch. Honestly, they are purposely traumatizing her at this point. Carly is like “the golden child” and the rest are just replacements. And the “replacement” children are totally aware of it.
If I had a kid I gave up, I’d hold onto that trauma myself. I wouldn’t involve my kids until they’re much older, especially given how the “open adoption” panned out. Maybe when my kid is 16, I could say, “Did you know when I was your age I had a baby?” And then explain it to them. If the adoption was still open, I don’t know that I would tell my kid it was a sibling as it would be too confusing to then leave said sibling with a whole other family when the visit ends. I think for the time being, I’d say we are visiting a cousin. Then when they are older you tell them that Carly is actually your sister.
I always joke the kids initials stand for NVR Carly 😂
Zero disrespect to those beautiful babies
They have Carly, and then they have 3 not-Carlys.
broke my heart.
They're all kids. It's hard for everyone. We all day and watched but didn't live it. Not easy.
True
Turn around and look at your fucking daughter maybe give her a hug my god
This is so unhealthy.
Loser Incorporated.
Why in gods name did they deliberately traumatize these children??
To punish Brandon and Teresa.
Cate and Ty traumatize the Not Carlys to punish Brandon and Teresa?
To attempt to guilt them into contact with Carly, yes.
Ugh. Strong point, more manipulation from the trawma twins.
If anyone can find a better quality. please share it
Nova is just the sweetest kid ever.
She really is. It's a shame she has to be the adult in this family
Does anyone else think if cate and tyler had went no contact with april and butch they would be lightyears ahead in healing/recovering from their trauma?
No. I dont think Tyler has much contact with Butch. Catelynn needs to get rid of Tyler and build herself up to heal.