He also made Mary and Sai swear to work together... on a 3 person tribe where if they did "work together" it would mean they voted together against Cedrek.
honestly yeah.. this one is definitely in the top 3 for sure. not sure about top tho. I feel like Maria’s was pretty bad considering charlie’s last like confessional was something about her kids meeting uncle charlie and it never happened 💔
I love the split second he hesitates to shake his hand. Like when he has to decide if the hurt he just felt was more important to him than the bond they built over the course of the game. Such a raw moment.
Not necessarily because of cameras more like he knew it was a very public moment that becomes much bigger if he doesn’t just relent there. Semantics I guess putting too much into it but idk 🤷♂️
I got exactly the same vibe and honestly, Jesse ambushing him with a handshake after stabbing in the back really rubbed me the wrong way like he was doing it for the TV moment, Cody has more composure and restraint than I would've had
43 is amazing and doesn'tget enough respect from this sub. Sure Gabler isn't Parv/Tony level winner but I love that entire cast soo much. Very entertaining
I think each individual on the cast is very strong but for some reason as a group they didn’t do much for me. 43 and 48 are the only new era seasons where I just could not get invested in the cast
Also Maryanne explaining why voting out Omar guaranteed her final three, and that explanation specifically pretty clearly convincing the jury to vote for her to win made the Omar one stand out a bit too.
I loved Shan. Ricard ruined that season with that move although it was an entertaining move, afterwards the season tanked. Shan was so good (good tv) and incredible player and character especially in the premerge.
Probably neither spite or bitterness, she probably just thought Kenzie was a more deserving winner but didnt want to say that and make it seem like her vote for Kenzie was charity.
Assuming Karla goes at F6 yeah they were pretty much locked in. Gabler would have voted with them so it didn't matter who won immunity. Would have been Cassidy first choice, and then Owen if Cassidy won. And Jesse would still have Jeanine's idol for extra safety.
I wonder if that could have actually led to a Jesse win if Cassidy won the F5 immunity. Assuming she also wins the F4 immunity and pits Gabler against Cody, the F3 would be Cassidy/Gabler/Jesse... and while I think Gabler becomes more favoured since Jesse doesn't have his big F6 move, might not be impossible for Jesse to win since he'd have Cody's vote locked in and maybe get Karla and Ryan's at least.
Maria and Charlie, imo. I’ll never understand why she blames him for losing when Liz helped Kenzie beat her in the final immunity challenge. It shouldn’t have been allowed, but it was, so it wasn’t cheating, but it had to have felt that way to Maria. (There was precedent from SoPa that it wasn’t allowed, , "If you want Ozzy out of this game, beat him.”)
Anyway, I think Maria would have won if she’d been sitting at FTC so why did she take it out on her closest ally when she was trying to get him out? It’ll never make sense to me.
Anyway, I think Maria would have won if she’d been sitting at FTC so why did she take it out on her closest ally when she was trying to get him out? It’ll never make sense to me.
I remember posts after the season saying they were on bad terms (maybe still are). If that info is true then she's just the type of person who just cannot separate game from real life. And those people are always bitter jurors. If Liz sat up there instead of Charlie. Maria is not voting for her either (I think). Her jury vote went to Kenzie cause she dogged her the least. Plenty of bitter jury's vote exactly like that.
I remember posts after the season saying they were on bad terms (maybe still are)
My understanding is that yes they are on bad terms, largely because of how she voted and how she wasn't honest about her reasons for voting the way she did. Apparently she gave him various conflicting reasons for why she did it, at one point apologizing to him for not voting for him, and later retracted her apology and doubled down on her original reasoning.
If that info is true then she's just the type of person who just cannot separate game from real life.
Sure... but he didn't actually do anything to her in the game. He was a loyal friend and ally right up until F5, where he couldn't have prevented her from being voted out even if he wanted to. He considered betraying her at F6, in confessionals, but ultimately decided against it. And that was the same round where she actually betrayed him and followed through by voting for him.
Anyway, Maria gets my vote for biggest betrayal because it had nothing to do with the game.
Yeah I agree that Kenzie probably did the least wrong against her in her eyes. I remember she was looked like she was absolutely seething when she missed out on the letters from home.
My guess is Maria never saw Charlie as an equal player, but rather as an “employee”. So when he got her out, that fucked with her perception of the relationship and she simply did not respect Charlie enough to recognise his game. Always seemed very similar to the Karla/Cassidy situation to me.
My main theory is that while sure Kenzie and Liz were the ones who teamed up in that challenge, Maria wasn’t aligned with either of them at that point so she didn’t care about them. However with Charlie who she viewed as her #1 to not only not speak up about it but seemed as happy as everyone else she lost, it probably was a little embarrassing/lonely for her to find out and seeing as how final tribal was probably what a few days later only it was clearly still fresh.. still clearly sour grapes but I don’t think it was completely unwarranted
Yeah that’s true lol maybe also she just thought Kenzie played better too it could also just be that simple lol if she viewed Charlie as her side kick as opposed to like an equal strategically
Agreed. It’s nobody’s business, including mine, but I wish she’d just come out and tell the truth.
For example, I really respected Kenzie’s answer about how she’d spend the money more than anything that was said in that tribal council. Charlie is younger than Kenzie and is just starting a professional life that will probably be amazing so knowing how hard Kenzie has worked and how much easier her life would be with that money would be a very valid reason to have voted for her.
But I also think if a reason like that was why she did vote for her, she’d have said already. It just drives me crazy not knowing. Lol
this. we weren’t there maria was allowed to do what she wanted. even if she was “bitter” charlie made her bitter then. like can yall shut up and just admit kenzie outplayed him in the long run through her social game and his lack of care
I don't think Maria blames Charlie for losing. Everyone wanted Maria gone at 5. Is she quoted as blaming Charlie for her loss?
I really think Maria voted for Kenzie because Kenzie is way more like her than Charlie. Maria's all about being a mother, and that's her main drive in life, so why *wouldn't* she give the money to the young woman who wants to start a family - and of course was a bit of a badass herself (winning fire, a few necklaces, surviving the disaster Yanu)?
This is how I see it too. I honestly think she thought Kenzie is more deserving of the money. Kenzie also had a better story as well like you said being on the disaster tribe, beating Maria at immunity and winning fire. I feel like Charlie is a flawed player for not seeing Kenzie’s threat level, he should have sent Kenzie home sooner or took her to fire or lied about his profession. He could have easily beat Liz, Q, Venus, and Ben so I don’t blame Maria for his loss unlike most people on here.
I think Kenzie did great. Whenever we talk about Charlie losing - it drives me nuts because that instantly makes Kenzie look like a lump on a log of a player. She was awesome.
Eh, no reason to be mad at Kenzie. If someone wants to hand you immunity on a silver platter, and production isn’t stopping them, you take it every time
imo though, she was the exact kind of winner I'd expect from a season like 46
I dont think Kenzie's win is really a masterclass in Survivor per se, but in a season where EVERYONE was at EVERYONE'S throats, it makes sense that the overwhelming social butterfly would win it
From a narrative perspective, I really like Kenzie's win for the kind of season 46 was
It doesnt work for me because she participated in that and backed out only when she didnt have to numbers for it at the time.
I cant ever get by the narrative of Kenzie purposefully divorcing herself of the drama and antics of 46 with a sweet personality and emerging from the rubble because she happily tried to participate in it, and her sweet personality was incredibly selective. It just doesn't work. The show doesnt ever try to portray this, its just a perspective propped up by Kenzie defenders.
Charlie fits that mold of being the vanilla grounded, strategically, adept player that maneuvers the chaos and issues of his season, and they spent the last 2 episodes to portray that, and he loses. Had Kenzie not had the extra scenes of focus with her and Ben, and not portrayed a prototypical UTR social woman, her win would've been out of left field, but it doesnt diminish how her win kinda sullies the ending of the season.
Maria and Charlie weren’t allies when she left the game, so I don’t see it as a betrayal. They were both turning on each other. A true ally on the jury for FTC is one that was voted out without their ally’s help or through fire, Tiffany to Kenzie, Julie to Dee, Rizo to Savannah, Kamila to Kyle, Cirie to Parvati (twice). That’s the ally where you have their locked in vote and an advocate on the jury. Maria and Charlie’s alliance had completely fallen apart, Q was her #1 when she was voted out, and Charlie had built a patch work of new allies mostly around taking down Maria and Q. I don’t see it as a betrayal at all.
How does the why factor in? We know why Tai betrayed Scot, we know why Jesse betrayed Cody. What makes them betrayals is what they've gone back on. Their in game alliance. If there's no expectation that just because you were allies in the game that you get their final vote, where is the betrayal?
The Cody blindside was amazing. Jesse had a "reason" to believe if he did it, he might win money that would change his familie's life. Maria just did it out of spite for Charlie and gained nothing but causing pain to someone from he vote.
Ricard betraying Shan (with the context that it's in the same round that Shan saves his life in the game)
Maria not voting for Charlie
Not one single move but Dee manipulating Austin over Final 5-7 (first betraying his plans to Julie, then not warning him so he could play his Idol for Drew) and only revealing it to him at Final Tribal Council definitely feels like a betrayal
Maryanne betraying Omar
Cedrik betraying everyone over the course of the Episode 3 Tribal Council
Joe betraying David (honorable mention Joe betraying Shauhin)
Sage/Jawan betraying Nate
Sierra betraying Anika/Rachel
Liana betraying Yase tribe (weaponizing her Beware Advantage against her own tribemates), even though she fails
It wasn't as much a betrayal. But a super hard moment to was was the Sam vs Sierra tie vote. Ugghh that hurt my soul to see Sam's reaction to having to vote Sierra by force.
You can argue that every blind side loses the target a million dollars, but Maria's literally did. It was a literal vote that flipped her "friends" chance of winning 180 degrees. You cant say that about any of the other new era moves.
The question isn’t what is the best big move or blindside of the new era, the question is about the biggest betrayal. Maria 100% robbed Charlie of $900k because she was bitter
Jesse is one of the few players who felt the need to positively “represent” his community, and still made the hard game choice to axe a guy as likable as Cody. He’s my favorite new era player by far.
Easily Maria not voting for Charlie, Jessie and Cody had an understanding and especially Cody respected him for it. Knowing Jessie's story there's no reason to get mad in that case because also Cody saw how torn up Jessie was about it. So easy answer
I think Maria and Charlie solely cause that shit was personal, what she did was just out of spite and had nothing to do with gameplay, which is a pretty big thing
The Cody and Jesse scenario had me super disliking Jesse after enjoying the duo the whole time. What made it so much worse was how bad at challenges Jesse was and he couldn’t even make the final. So he backstabbed his biggest Ally for nothing. All for a “chance” to win the game but flamed out. Ruining your best ally’s chance at winning to not even get to finals. People can say that move was great or w/e but it did not sit right with me.
I’m with you - it was ultimately not a good move. He should have clocked Gabler, and multiple other threats, and plotted better. I was like, WHYYYYYY???! All it did was put a huge target on his back and reduce his numbers.
I would consider Maria's a bigger betrayal because Jesse betrayed Cody to win. Maria betrayed Charlie because she was an angry petty hypocrite who felt entitled for him to lay down at her feet so she could win the game.
It annoys me how survivor really wanted to make Dee look good when she’s just a nasty cheater (relationship wise) really disappointed she’s on 50, never wanna see her or Wendel on screen again
This. I am so confused why people are so attached to this bitter woman storyline. I’m not surprised she voted Kenzie over the privileged Harvard lawyer. It’s not that hard to grasp.
I think if it was Liz and Ben in F3, Maria would have voted Charlie so her voting Kenzie probably wasn’t based solely on spite like people say
maria not voting for charlie 1000%. it’s gotta be one of the top 3, if not the #1 biggest betrayal of all time. not just of the new era. i don’t think there’s ever been a ftc vote THAT unpredictable. literally everybody expected her vote to be locked in for charlie, because it made absolutely no sense for her not to. she’ll definitely go down in history for that as one of the biggest new era villains
To me the Maria/ Charlie situation is so much worse not because of their relationship or the betrayal as a by product but rather the after effect it had in sinking Charlie’s game and preventing him from winning. Kenzie played a good game but in my opinion Charlie’s was better and deserved the win but Maria sunk his game HARD by shit talking him and his moves at Ponderosa and then on the jury. Seeing the hurt in his eyes when he found out she didn’t vote for him was brutal
Has no one considered that Maria didn’t want to vote for the privileged young male Harvard lawyer? I’m just stating the obvious. Kenzie has a great story, that’s compelling. Voting for the Charlie would be tough, he would need to be sitting against Venus/Q/Ben/Liz.
Everyone has advantages and disadvantages in the game and being super privileged is a disadvantage sitting at the end so you have to bring goats and he obviously either didn’t think about that or he mislabeled Kenzie as a goat, either way that was why he lost. Maria is not why he lost.
I would have 100% voted for Kenzie too. And I’m also a privileged male lawyer.
Well he didn’t HAVE to bring goats, he could have also done something else like played a more flashy game or made a big move and I could see things tip more in his favor. Regardless you have to work with your strengths and weaknesses
It’s not a double standard. Maria gave the game away when she tried to vote Charlie out (and failed) the previous tribal council to her elimination. At that point, Charlie voting out Maria is not a betrayal.
Cedrek voting out Justin after initially voting for Mary once and Sai twice.
This was the funniest tribal council ever. Cedrek was crazy
He also made Mary and Sai swear to work together... on a 3 person tribe where if they did "work together" it would mean they voted together against Cedrek.
Frightening how a surgeon could be so dumb.
Also on a tribe that was clearly ending right then
What do you call a med student who finished bottom of their class?
Doctor.
Half of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class. Cedrek may have been one of them. 😂
He’s a surgeon, that’s extremely unlikely. You have to do well in med school to go into surgery.
This is true!
Cedrek had no idea what was happening at all, voting out the one person he hadn't already betrayed
honestly yeah.. this one is definitely in the top 3 for sure. not sure about top tho. I feel like Maria’s was pretty bad considering charlie’s last like confessional was something about her kids meeting uncle charlie and it never happened 💔
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Liz not getting picked for Applebees
Hate to disagree with you but...the biggest betrayal was that those mushroom swiss burgers stayed untouched at the reward.
Hard to see.
Not on my watch, if I was out there I'd be eating every available calorie.
SHE WAS PISSED
The true biggest betrayal was Applebee's not immediately releasing a "Liz PattyMeltdown" menu item.
"but you wrote my name down last night"
That wasn't betrayal. That was entitlement.
Why would you say that? I'M PISSED!!!!
That Cody blindside is my personal favorite moment of the new era
I love the split second he hesitates to shake his hand. Like when he has to decide if the hurt he just felt was more important to him than the bond they built over the course of the game. Such a raw moment.
I swear that split second felt like 5 minutes when I saw it the first time. It’s a shame neither of them are on 50 imo
Cody has to be my favorite new era player. Charm and dedication.
Equally Charlie's pause after Jeff asked about the Maria vote felt like an eternity.
I swear he didn’t wanna do it but realized it was televised and relented. Fair to not do it just saying this was my read
Cody didn’t come across like someone to act differently just because cameras were on him to me.
Not necessarily because of cameras more like he knew it was a very public moment that becomes much bigger if he doesn’t just relent there. Semantics I guess putting too much into it but idk 🤷♂️
I got exactly the same vibe and honestly, Jesse ambushing him with a handshake after stabbing in the back really rubbed me the wrong way like he was doing it for the TV moment, Cody has more composure and restraint than I would've had
Yeah I agree kinda a dick move haha
43 is amazing and doesn'tget enough respect from this sub. Sure Gabler isn't Parv/Tony level winner but I love that entire cast soo much. Very entertaining
Louder please!!!! Such a good cast and (here come the downvotes 😂), I take no issue with Gabler winning 🤷🏾♀️
I wanted Jesse to win. But was totally fine with any of that final 3 taking it home.
THIS
I think each individual on the cast is very strong but for some reason as a group they didn’t do much for me. 43 and 48 are the only new era seasons where I just could not get invested in the cast
I truly hope he isn’t lost in the returnee mix. He needs to comeback in the next all star season, hopefully with Jesse too
Give us the duos season we've been asking for for a decade!!
a truly stellar episode tucked into a middling season
I’m a big fan of Ricard betraying Shan. Maryanne betraying Omar was sick too.
Also this one isn’t a big betrayal, but it’s great gameplay. Omar convincing Mike to blindside Hai was awesome.
Also Maryanne explaining why voting out Omar guaranteed her final three, and that explanation specifically pretty clearly convincing the jury to vote for her to win made the Omar one stand out a bit too.
I loved Shan. Ricard ruined that season with that move although it was an entertaining move, afterwards the season tanked. Shan was so good (good tv) and incredible player and character especially in the premerge.
I think the best move of the new era is Jessie taking out Cody. But the biggest betrayal is Maria not voting for Charlie.
Jessie made the move in the name of strategy and respect. Maria on the other hand, as a juror, was odd, petty and wasteful.
Game respect game, I shoot you before you shoot me- Jesse/Cody
Spite and bitterness- Maria
Jesse's move could've won him the game, and Cody understood that.
Maria's move benefitted her in no way.
Right lol the only way it benefited her was the satisfaction of revenge lol
revenge is sweet
It’s not revenge, Charlie didn’t blindside her. It’s straight petty.
It benefitted Kenzie.
Y'all remember it's a vote FOR someone right?! Baha
Maria not voting for Charlie. Literally decided the winner of the entire game.
If you only count Maria's vote and not the other 7, then yes - it decided the game
Probably neither spite or bitterness, she probably just thought Kenzie was a more deserving winner but didnt want to say that and make it seem like her vote for Kenzie was charity.
I can’t think of many people who have been as hurt and angry as Cody was, I’ll say that
Deservedly so
Those are the exact two moments I was thinking. But it’s Jesse and Cody if we don’t let recency bias come into it. That was literally jaw dropping
Yes! It was shocking and I really thought both would have made it to final 4 if Jesse hadn’t done that.
Assuming Karla goes at F6 yeah they were pretty much locked in. Gabler would have voted with them so it didn't matter who won immunity. Would have been Cassidy first choice, and then Owen if Cassidy won. And Jesse would still have Jeanine's idol for extra safety.
I wonder if that could have actually led to a Jesse win if Cassidy won the F5 immunity. Assuming she also wins the F4 immunity and pits Gabler against Cody, the F3 would be Cassidy/Gabler/Jesse... and while I think Gabler becomes more favoured since Jesse doesn't have his big F6 move, might not be impossible for Jesse to win since he'd have Cody's vote locked in and maybe get Karla and Ryan's at least.
Maria and Charlie, imo. I’ll never understand why she blames him for losing when Liz helped Kenzie beat her in the final immunity challenge. It shouldn’t have been allowed, but it was, so it wasn’t cheating, but it had to have felt that way to Maria. (There was precedent from SoPa that it wasn’t allowed, , "If you want Ozzy out of this game, beat him.”)
Anyway, I think Maria would have won if she’d been sitting at FTC so why did she take it out on her closest ally when she was trying to get him out? It’ll never make sense to me.
I remember posts after the season saying they were on bad terms (maybe still are). If that info is true then she's just the type of person who just cannot separate game from real life. And those people are always bitter jurors. If Liz sat up there instead of Charlie. Maria is not voting for her either (I think). Her jury vote went to Kenzie cause she dogged her the least. Plenty of bitter jury's vote exactly like that.
Erm ackshually she voted for Kenzie because she had more fire in her eyes
The 45 mins it took Kenzie to make fire gave Maria a long time to think.
My understanding is that yes they are on bad terms, largely because of how she voted and how she wasn't honest about her reasons for voting the way she did. Apparently she gave him various conflicting reasons for why she did it, at one point apologizing to him for not voting for him, and later retracted her apology and doubled down on her original reasoning.
Sure... but he didn't actually do anything to her in the game. He was a loyal friend and ally right up until F5, where he couldn't have prevented her from being voted out even if he wanted to. He considered betraying her at F6, in confessionals, but ultimately decided against it. And that was the same round where she actually betrayed him and followed through by voting for him.
Anyway, Maria gets my vote for biggest betrayal because it had nothing to do with the game.
Yeah I agree that Kenzie probably did the least wrong against her in her eyes. I remember she was looked like she was absolutely seething when she missed out on the letters from home.
My guess is Maria never saw Charlie as an equal player, but rather as an “employee”. So when he got her out, that fucked with her perception of the relationship and she simply did not respect Charlie enough to recognise his game. Always seemed very similar to the Karla/Cassidy situation to me.
My main theory is that while sure Kenzie and Liz were the ones who teamed up in that challenge, Maria wasn’t aligned with either of them at that point so she didn’t care about them. However with Charlie who she viewed as her #1 to not only not speak up about it but seemed as happy as everyone else she lost, it probably was a little embarrassing/lonely for her to find out and seeing as how final tribal was probably what a few days later only it was clearly still fresh.. still clearly sour grapes but I don’t think it was completely unwarranted
I just wish she’d tell the truth about it. It’s her right to do what she wants but even with your theory, I will never understand it.
Yeah that’s true lol maybe also she just thought Kenzie played better too it could also just be that simple lol if she viewed Charlie as her side kick as opposed to like an equal strategically
Agreed. It’s nobody’s business, including mine, but I wish she’d just come out and tell the truth.
For example, I really respected Kenzie’s answer about how she’d spend the money more than anything that was said in that tribal council. Charlie is younger than Kenzie and is just starting a professional life that will probably be amazing so knowing how hard Kenzie has worked and how much easier her life would be with that money would be a very valid reason to have voted for her.
But I also think if a reason like that was why she did vote for her, she’d have said already. It just drives me crazy not knowing. Lol
Watch She’ll do an RHAP interview in like 3 years and finally give a few small details lol
You know, that is the first not just woman scorn theory that I think has validity. Thanks for sharing that.
this. we weren’t there maria was allowed to do what she wanted. even if she was “bitter” charlie made her bitter then. like can yall shut up and just admit kenzie outplayed him in the long run through her social game and his lack of care
But the fire in Kenzie’s eyes while she was cheating in that challenge with Liz tho…
LOL
I don't think Maria blames Charlie for losing. Everyone wanted Maria gone at 5. Is she quoted as blaming Charlie for her loss?
I really think Maria voted for Kenzie because Kenzie is way more like her than Charlie. Maria's all about being a mother, and that's her main drive in life, so why *wouldn't* she give the money to the young woman who wants to start a family - and of course was a bit of a badass herself (winning fire, a few necklaces, surviving the disaster Yanu)?
This is how I see it too. I honestly think she thought Kenzie is more deserving of the money. Kenzie also had a better story as well like you said being on the disaster tribe, beating Maria at immunity and winning fire. I feel like Charlie is a flawed player for not seeing Kenzie’s threat level, he should have sent Kenzie home sooner or took her to fire or lied about his profession. He could have easily beat Liz, Q, Venus, and Ben so I don’t blame Maria for his loss unlike most people on here.
I’m glad Kenzie won she played a great game.
I think Kenzie did great. Whenever we talk about Charlie losing - it drives me nuts because that instantly makes Kenzie look like a lump on a log of a player. She was awesome.
That challenge makes me sooo mad. Maria got shafted hard and it makes kenzie's ultimate win even worse.
Horrid winner.
Eh, no reason to be mad at Kenzie. If someone wants to hand you immunity on a silver platter, and production isn’t stopping them, you take it every time
It’s not Kenzie’s fault, she didn’t ask for help, but if I was in Maria’s shoes, Kenzie would not have gotten my vote.
now easy on my girl Kenzie
She was honestly a pretty underwhelming winner, regardless of how she played.
I think she’s a fine winner in a vacuum but it’s tough to square it with feeling like Charlie should have won.
It’s not fair to her but it subconsciously diminishes the impact of her win when I personally feel like Charlie deserved to win based on the edit
Thats how I feel as well.
imo though, she was the exact kind of winner I'd expect from a season like 46
I dont think Kenzie's win is really a masterclass in Survivor per se, but in a season where EVERYONE was at EVERYONE'S throats, it makes sense that the overwhelming social butterfly would win it
From a narrative perspective, I really like Kenzie's win for the kind of season 46 was
It doesnt work for me because she participated in that and backed out only when she didnt have to numbers for it at the time.
I cant ever get by the narrative of Kenzie purposefully divorcing herself of the drama and antics of 46 with a sweet personality and emerging from the rubble because she happily tried to participate in it, and her sweet personality was incredibly selective. It just doesn't work. The show doesnt ever try to portray this, its just a perspective propped up by Kenzie defenders.
Charlie fits that mold of being the vanilla grounded, strategically, adept player that maneuvers the chaos and issues of his season, and they spent the last 2 episodes to portray that, and he loses. Had Kenzie not had the extra scenes of focus with her and Ben, and not portrayed a prototypical UTR social woman, her win would've been out of left field, but it doesnt diminish how her win kinda sullies the ending of the season.
She sux
Agreed !
Maria and Charlie weren’t allies when she left the game, so I don’t see it as a betrayal. They were both turning on each other. A true ally on the jury for FTC is one that was voted out without their ally’s help or through fire, Tiffany to Kenzie, Julie to Dee, Rizo to Savannah, Kamila to Kyle, Cirie to Parvati (twice). That’s the ally where you have their locked in vote and an advocate on the jury. Maria and Charlie’s alliance had completely fallen apart, Q was her #1 when she was voted out, and Charlie had built a patch work of new allies mostly around taking down Maria and Q. I don’t see it as a betrayal at all.
Just because you are allies in the games, doesn't entitle you to their winning vote.
No one said that it did? The question is why she did it.
How does the why factor in? We know why Tai betrayed Scot, we know why Jesse betrayed Cody. What makes them betrayals is what they've gone back on. Their in game alliance. If there's no expectation that just because you were allies in the game that you get their final vote, where is the betrayal?
The Cody blindside was amazing. Jesse had a "reason" to believe if he did it, he might win money that would change his familie's life. Maria just did it out of spite for Charlie and gained nothing but causing pain to someone from he vote.
Considering there was a brief moment where I legitimately thought Cody was going to attack Jesse, I’d say that one.
Q’s threats towards Santa Claus about canceling Christmas.
Qs threats to my mom trying to cancel my birthday. And all the other holidays he wants to cancel in the s50 promo..
My list for Top 10 Biggest New Era Betrayals:
It wasn't as much a betrayal. But a super hard moment to was was the Sam vs Sierra tie vote. Ugghh that hurt my soul to see Sam's reaction to having to vote Sierra by force.
Great list however I do think Sage betraying Steven was way worse than the Nate blindside
Jeff taking immunity away from half the cast with the hourglass twist.
Omg yes
It’s the Cody/ Jesse blindside and it’s not close.
Betrayal vs Bitterness.
You can argue that every blind side loses the target a million dollars, but Maria's literally did. It was a literal vote that flipped her "friends" chance of winning 180 degrees. You cant say that about any of the other new era moves.
The question isn’t what is the best big move or blindside of the new era, the question is about the biggest betrayal. Maria 100% robbed Charlie of $900k because she was bitter
I gotta go Maria
At least with most betrayals, the person doing the betraying is only doing so because they stand something to gain
Maria just betrayed Charlie because she went for him first and he beat her at her own game
Maria
Jesse is one of the few players who felt the need to positively “represent” his community, and still made the hard game choice to axe a guy as likable as Cody. He’s my favorite new era player by far.
does jerri getting cut from 50 count?
Why did she get cut?
Maria and Charlie because it directly cost somebody from winning, since Ben confirmed he would’ve voted for Charlie in a tie.
Maria’s was so disappointing - just so immature and bitter that it really tainted the legacy she left in the game
Really really disliked her.
Objectively? Probably Jesse betraying Cody. Actual irl backlash that occurred as a result: Charlie betraying Maria.
I think you mean Maria betraying Charlie with that FTC vote
you mean because it led to maria betraying charlie in the final vote? not sure what irl you’re referring to
Irl they weren’t great friends after maybe. I remember her saying he was going to be uncle Charlie to her kids.
Easily Maria not voting for Charlie, Jessie and Cody had an understanding and especially Cody respected him for it. Knowing Jessie's story there's no reason to get mad in that case because also Cody saw how torn up Jessie was about it. So easy answer
I think Maria and Charlie solely cause that shit was personal, what she did was just out of spite and had nothing to do with gameplay, which is a pretty big thing
The Cody and Jesse scenario had me super disliking Jesse after enjoying the duo the whole time. What made it so much worse was how bad at challenges Jesse was and he couldn’t even make the final. So he backstabbed his biggest Ally for nothing. All for a “chance” to win the game but flamed out. Ruining your best ally’s chance at winning to not even get to finals. People can say that move was great or w/e but it did not sit right with me.
I’m with you - it was ultimately not a good move. He should have clocked Gabler, and multiple other threats, and plotted better. I was like, WHYYYYYY???! All it did was put a huge target on his back and reduce his numbers.
Maryanne basically single-handedly voting out Omer
I would consider Maria's a bigger betrayal because Jesse betrayed Cody to win. Maria betrayed Charlie because she was an angry petty hypocrite who felt entitled for him to lay down at her feet so she could win the game.
Dee.
It annoys me how survivor really wanted to make Dee look good when she’s just a nasty cheater (relationship wise) really disappointed she’s on 50, never wanna see her or Wendel on screen again
Maria. What a petty, petty person.
maria didn’t owe charlie anything. yall gotta get over it
It's honestly ridiculous that Maria is even mentioned. It's not betrayal to vote Kenzie.
It is when she promised Charlie her vote
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This. I am so confused why people are so attached to this bitter woman storyline. I’m not surprised she voted Kenzie over the privileged Harvard lawyer. It’s not that hard to grasp.
I think if it was Liz and Ben in F3, Maria would have voted Charlie so her voting Kenzie probably wasn’t based solely on spite like people say
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maria not voting for charlie 1000%. it’s gotta be one of the top 3, if not the #1 biggest betrayal of all time. not just of the new era. i don’t think there’s ever been a ftc vote THAT unpredictable. literally everybody expected her vote to be locked in for charlie, because it made absolutely no sense for her not to. she’ll definitely go down in history for that as one of the biggest new era villains
When Jeff made Joe read his "finished" word scramble.
To me the Maria/ Charlie situation is so much worse not because of their relationship or the betrayal as a by product but rather the after effect it had in sinking Charlie’s game and preventing him from winning. Kenzie played a good game but in my opinion Charlie’s was better and deserved the win but Maria sunk his game HARD by shit talking him and his moves at Ponderosa and then on the jury. Seeing the hurt in his eyes when he found out she didn’t vote for him was brutal
Might be recency bias but Sage blindsiding Steven at F6 was massive. The way my jaw dropped
Biggest is Jesse betraying Cody, but second is Dee betraying Austin at the Emily vote.
Somehow Dee gets out of that one scott-free. People just call Austin a dope & Dee gets called Queen.
Has no one considered that Maria didn’t want to vote for the privileged young male Harvard lawyer? I’m just stating the obvious. Kenzie has a great story, that’s compelling. Voting for the Charlie would be tough, he would need to be sitting against Venus/Q/Ben/Liz.
Everyone has advantages and disadvantages in the game and being super privileged is a disadvantage sitting at the end so you have to bring goats and he obviously either didn’t think about that or he mislabeled Kenzie as a goat, either way that was why he lost. Maria is not why he lost.
I would have 100% voted for Kenzie too. And I’m also a privileged male lawyer.
Well he didn’t HAVE to bring goats, he could have also done something else like played a more flashy game or made a big move and I could see things tip more in his favor. Regardless you have to work with your strengths and weaknesses
It’s Jesse/Cody and it’s not close
Yep, you nailed the two I was thinking of! And I think the Maria vote takes the cake because at that point it was personal and not the game.
Why is Maria betraying Charlie bigger than Charlie betraying Maria? Legit question, it's always felt like a double standard.
It’s not a double standard. Maria gave the game away when she tried to vote Charlie out (and failed) the previous tribal council to her elimination. At that point, Charlie voting out Maria is not a betrayal.
But he's not owed her vote at FTC either, even if we don't agree with her
Your question got answered and you still downvoted it.
Sure, but it comes off as bitter since he bested her and she doesn’t seem to want to respect that.
Same! Charlie blew it. It’s why he lost. But somehow people are upset Maria didn’t vote for him at the finale?
Can’t think of one. Has anyone betrayed anyone?