My biggest takeaway from Dalton’s new content today was Chrissy mentioning she heard a rumor Savannah won 49. If they didn’t already at this point the whole cast will know this. I imagine she’ll have a massive target on her back.
There was no way she could’ve hid it for long if any of the players are even remotely intelligent. They’d clock it the moment the tribe divisions were made!
I really don't think that's as much of a tell as everyone makes it out to be. They did something different with each of the tribes as far as their makeup goes (1 tribe had more New Era than OS, 1 more OS than New Era, and 1 was split 50/50), so based on their pattern - having 1 tribe with 0 winners would've made more sense IMO.
I was talking to Davie at a watch party a few years ago and he said he gets spoiled for almost every season since he played. I'm sure if you were cast for S50 and not fully disconnected from the Survivor family it would be easy to find out the results of 49
I’ve said this for years. These people all hangout, see each other at watch parties, text, FaceTime, drink, and talk to each other. There’s just no way they don’t know pretty much everything that happens on every season that comes after them
For her part, Savannah (described by multiple 50 players as a "mini-Parvati") was originally planning to lie and tell her new castmates she did not win season 49. Right until she was about to board the plane for season 50.
"I literally got a message as I was about to board the plane that was like, 'Hey, I talked to someone who is from the New Era, and they know X, Y, and Z about your game. And it was at that point where I'm like, 'Crap, I gotta pivot.'"
That pivot includes coming clean about her win and how she got there. Plus, as she notes, "Rizo is here, and he is going to be a fact checker" — something Russell Hantz never had to worry about.
Presumably they’d assume 1 of the 49 people would be a winner.. Dee is on a tribe, Kyle on another, and Savannah on the other so context clues would tell them there’s a winner on each tribe
I think some tribe pregaming happens every season now that everything is color-based, but I agree this rumor could also just have been the alumni network chatter after 49 filming concluded.
Fair enough for this specific example. I was generalizing that tribe division pregaming is probably ubiquitous in the new era. I suspect knowing that Maryanne was replaced by Savannah and that there are 3 tribes but only 2 confirmed winners is probably enough for Chrissy to deduce this.
They don’t always have them dress to match the tribe colors on returnee seasons so that’s not a given. Look at WaW for example.
The fact that there was 1 winner on the other 2 tribes also doesn’t make it a guarantee Savannah was a winner too. Logically it makes sense but you can’t take that as a 100% fact purely because of tribe divisions. But yes if I was a player I’d rather operate under that assumption until proven otherwise as I’d rather overestimate Savannah than underestimate her.
If you're going to throw out a terrible take like that, it's your responsibility to defend it.
Edit: Sorry, it's impossible to have any sort of conversation when all you do is attack and insult people that have a different opinion than you. Meltdown Morgoth, at it again.
Erik R claims the Caramoan cast (at least the Favorites) were told Malcolm made it to the F4 in Philippines. He also thinks the Micronesia cast was told Amanda made it to FTC in China.
Edit: I remember him saying this on RHAP with Brandon when they were discussing about Ozzy and Cirie for 50 last Summer.
Reminds me of (I think) a Sandra confessional where she says, “Historically women get voted out first on survivor. I’m here to make sure that happens.”
This is like. The least interesting possible thing imo lol. Everybody there will be able to guess Savannah is probably the winner based on tribe divisions if Rizo doesn’t directly tell them all and targeting a mystery winner makes perfect sense. I’m surprised more people didn’t say Savannah, I think she’s turbo fucked
I expected this. When I heard before 49 even premiered that Rizo and Savannah would be on 50, I expected one of the two to win. The S50 cast already had 2 winners, and I was expecting they'd run three tribes, so it makes sense there'd be a winner on each tribe. I imagine once they hit the beach, the tribe that doesn't have a known winner will start asking questions of the unknown player on their tribe.
Its weird when people go after prior winners, when they're the easiest goats possible. Bring the person no one wants to win again. Especially because no one wants a new era person compared to Sandra, an actual GOAT
Bringing back Rizzo and Savannah so soon was a mistake. It's unfair for the other players that know each other's games. They probably know nothing about Rizzo and Savannah
Honestly, the whole “I’m gonna target you just because you’re a winner” shtick is so lame. I feel bad for Kyle, Dee and Savannah. Not only are they the only winners in a cast of 24 but they are all extremely recent winners so you have both a winner and a recency bias to overcome. Any of those 3 even making the merge will be a miracle.
if i had to make sense of it, when the actual game starts she can push it for a different reason to keep the other winners at ease. if everyone knows thats whats shes on it allows the other winners to do whatever is in their power to get rid of her. tribe makeup will decide if its something she should be loud about
Honestly a valid question. You can either go for a guaranteed winner or an alleged winner. If your goal is to take out a winner, why not take the guaranteed one? The downvotes here make zero sense.
49 wouldn't have aired before they started filming so they wouldn't officially know the winner. She knows Dee and Kyle both won because she saw it. Not sure why you're taking such offense to the statement?
I think the point is if she wants to vote out a winner first, why is she going after one that is based on rumor? There are two options that she 100% knows won it. I don't think they're offended at all. Chrissy's logic is just flawed.
Objective: take out a winner
Options: winner, winner, and maybe a winner based on rumor.
Exactly this. Anytime I see this type of strategic uncertainty I think about one of the worst Big Brother HOH reigns ever - Faysal in BB20 when he nominated Scottie. He had like three people he knew were absolutely against him, and yet he put up Scottie because he wasn't 100% sure he could trust him. But all he had to do was put up any two people out of the five that he knew with no doubt whatsoever were against him, and one of them was all but guaranteed to go home. It was really a foolproof HOH that he somehow botched incredibly.
It's not an offense? Just a weird flaw in her logic. She boldly asserted that she's targeting winners and then puts down someone who may not have won despite there being two already confirmed winners. Like if Savannah actually didn't win 49, this would look pretty stupid. Thankfully for Chrissy's sake, she did. But why gamble on a wild hunch when you have a 100% guarantee?
Chrissy could deduce that there must be one former winner in each of the three starting tribes, just like we did. We basically knew Sav was going to win.
Pack your bags Kyle & Dee, Chrissy is coming for you next
she's reheating jenna lewis's nachos
She's airfrying them so they're crispy
Think 6 combined people said Kyle or Dee
Shows up in a Mets hat.
Or just find 15 idols like the last guy did
God that would be terrible.
Yeah, I saw somewhere else that Savannah said she had hoped to hide it, but heard that rumors were going around, so she knew she had to come clean
There was no way she could’ve hid it for long if any of the players are even remotely intelligent. They’d clock it the moment the tribe divisions were made!
Well production could put Rizo and Sav on the same tribe to let them lie if they want. But what advantage is there for Rizo to take Savannah's heat?
I really don't think that's as much of a tell as everyone makes it out to be. They did something different with each of the tribes as far as their makeup goes (1 tribe had more New Era than OS, 1 more OS than New Era, and 1 was split 50/50), so based on their pattern - having 1 tribe with 0 winners would've made more sense IMO.
You saw rumors about rumors, which have sparked new rumors?! Oh man.
lol it was a quote from Savannah in the EW article, so firsthand info about rumors I guess
I was talking to Davie at a watch party a few years ago and he said he gets spoiled for almost every season since he played. I'm sure if you were cast for S50 and not fully disconnected from the Survivor family it would be easy to find out the results of 49
I’ve said this for years. These people all hangout, see each other at watch parties, text, FaceTime, drink, and talk to each other. There’s just no way they don’t know pretty much everything that happens on every season that comes after them
Yeah definitely confirmed this after meeting and talking to a new era player myself.
From the Entertainment Weekly piece yesterday:
For her part, Savannah (described by multiple 50 players as a "mini-Parvati") was originally planning to lie and tell her new castmates she did not win season 49. Right until she was about to board the plane for season 50.
"I literally got a message as I was about to board the plane that was like, 'Hey, I talked to someone who is from the New Era, and they know X, Y, and Z about your game. And it was at that point where I'm like, 'Crap, I gotta pivot.'"
That pivot includes coming clean about her win and how she got there. Plus, as she notes, "Rizo is here, and he is going to be a fact checker" — something Russell Hantz never had to worry about.
A real interesting part of this is that multiple others chose Kyle because he was the “most recent winner”.
I wonder where/when/how Chrissy found out about Sav
Presumably they’d assume 1 of the 49 people would be a winner.. Dee is on a tribe, Kyle on another, and Savannah on the other so context clues would tell them there’s a winner on each tribe
Also just looking at Savannah and Rizo and taking a guess at which of them looks more like a winner
Jenna Lewis 2.0.
Its almost like Chrissy clocked the tribe divisions and it spoiled 49 for her, like everyone else in the world....
Don’t think they knew tribe divisions yet at this point
I think some tribe pregaming happens every season now that everything is color-based, but I agree this rumor could also just have been the alumni network chatter after 49 filming concluded.
All star seasons nowadays aren't that color based due to players simply wearing their signature clothes/colors.
Fair enough for this specific example. I was generalizing that tribe division pregaming is probably ubiquitous in the new era. I suspect knowing that Maryanne was replaced by Savannah and that there are 3 tribes but only 2 confirmed winners is probably enough for Chrissy to deduce this.
they knew she replaced maryanne prob
If the S49 cast knew tribe divisions pre-game, I'm sure the returnees were able to deduce the colours everyone was told to bring.
They don’t always have them dress to match the tribe colors on returnee seasons so that’s not a given. Look at WaW for example.
The fact that there was 1 winner on the other 2 tribes also doesn’t make it a guarantee Savannah was a winner too. Logically it makes sense but you can’t take that as a 100% fact purely because of tribe divisions. But yes if I was a player I’d rather operate under that assumption until proven otherwise as I’d rather overestimate Savannah than underestimate her.
Production also might’ve told everyone Savannah won. At the minimum, all should’ve been told she made FTC.
... uhhh, no?
Uhhh, yes?
If you're going to throw out a terrible take like that, it's your responsibility to defend it.
Edit: Sorry, it's impossible to have any sort of conversation when all you do is attack and insult people that have a different opinion than you. Meltdown Morgoth, at it again.
[removed]
[deleted]
[removed]
[deleted]
[removed]
Thats a clear instance of influence on production.
Erik R claims the Caramoan cast (at least the Favorites) were told Malcolm made it to the F4 in Philippines. He also thinks the Micronesia cast was told Amanda made it to FTC in China.
Edit: I remember him saying this on RHAP with Brandon when they were discussing about Ozzy and Cirie for 50 last Summer.
Thats incredibly unfair to Malcolm then lol. No wonder he was playing on defense that season.
[deleted]
[removed]
[deleted]
[removed]
[deleted]
https://ew.com/watch-survivor-50-cast-vote-first-players-out-of-game-exclusive-11881376 Link to full article for those that missed Dalton’s post
Thanks
Chrissy try not to vote out the other women challenge: impossible
Only room for one goddess out here
its true
Reminds me of (I think) a Sandra confessional where she says, “Historically women get voted out first on survivor. I’m here to make sure that happens.”
Her delivery always cracks me up.
Edit: found the clip https://x.com/survivorcbs/status/1225086932033523714?s=46&t=SmIWRRCLa7r0ZFq23PTcZQ
lmao do you remember which season that was from?
WAW preseason
Found it lol
https://x.com/survivorcbs/status/1225086932033523714?s=46&t=SmIWRRCLa7r0ZFq23PTcZQ
She’s proud of them though!
Like Kyle was right there! 😩
One must always tidy up by pulling the ladder behind you.
This is like. The least interesting possible thing imo lol. Everybody there will be able to guess Savannah is probably the winner based on tribe divisions if Rizo doesn’t directly tell them all and targeting a mystery winner makes perfect sense. I’m surprised more people didn’t say Savannah, I think she’s turbo fucked
Chrissy, Jenna Lewis is already here. We don’t need another Jenna Lewis.
Jenna wants coach off first lol
I expected this. When I heard before 49 even premiered that Rizo and Savannah would be on 50, I expected one of the two to win. The S50 cast already had 2 winners, and I was expecting they'd run three tribes, so it makes sense there'd be a winner on each tribe. I imagine once they hit the beach, the tribe that doesn't have a known winner will start asking questions of the unknown player on their tribe.
Chrissy targeting a woman first?? I am shocked! I could not believe it!
mimi imfirst was number third in the voting?
Umm do not attack her fans, b****
of the shit that ive seen, she dont have that many!!!!!!
Yall cracking me up
Chrissy voting out a woman, groundbreaking.
Its weird when people go after prior winners, when they're the easiest goats possible. Bring the person no one wants to win again. Especially because no one wants a new era person compared to Sandra, an actual GOAT
Bringing back Rizzo and Savannah so soon was a mistake. It's unfair for the other players that know each other's games. They probably know nothing about Rizzo and Savannah
Ofc Chrissy is gonna be the one to target the winners.
As will all the winners - one of the reasons I don’t think any of them should be there.
You seen Heroes Villains?
Yes of course. But that more so makes my argument.
They’ll all be a cinder block on their cast mates from the same season.
My biggest takeaway from this is that Chrissy is beautiful
Honestly, the whole “I’m gonna target you just because you’re a winner” shtick is so lame. I feel bad for Kyle, Dee and Savannah. Not only are they the only winners in a cast of 24 but they are all extremely recent winners so you have both a winner and a recency bias to overcome. Any of those 3 even making the merge will be a miracle.
Anyone got the link to the full video? I can’t seem to find it
8 years later and she’s still voting off a woman first
Chrissy do me favor and plz get her out!! I’m still sad Rizo or Sophi (was in my preseason draft) didn’t win
I love how she's like "I heard Savannah won 49" even though you already KNEW Dee and Kyle both won. Why not just pick the obvious winner??
if i had to make sense of it, when the actual game starts she can push it for a different reason to keep the other winners at ease. if everyone knows thats whats shes on it allows the other winners to do whatever is in their power to get rid of her. tribe makeup will decide if its something she should be loud about
Why u getting downvoted
Oh wow I didn't notice until this reply. I'm also confused.
Honestly a valid question. You can either go for a guaranteed winner or an alleged winner. If your goal is to take out a winner, why not take the guaranteed one? The downvotes here make zero sense.
Literally what I'm saying. And isn't Chrissy an ACTUARY? Like come on now 🤣
49 wouldn't have aired before they started filming so they wouldn't officially know the winner. She knows Dee and Kyle both won because she saw it. Not sure why you're taking such offense to the statement?
I think the point is if she wants to vote out a winner first, why is she going after one that is based on rumor? There are two options that she 100% knows won it. I don't think they're offended at all. Chrissy's logic is just flawed.
Objective: take out a winner
Options: winner, winner, and maybe a winner based on rumor.
Why would you pick the one you aren't sure about?
Exactly this. Anytime I see this type of strategic uncertainty I think about one of the worst Big Brother HOH reigns ever - Faysal in BB20 when he nominated Scottie. He had like three people he knew were absolutely against him, and yet he put up Scottie because he wasn't 100% sure he could trust him. But all he had to do was put up any two people out of the five that he knew with no doubt whatsoever were against him, and one of them was all but guaranteed to go home. It was really a foolproof HOH that he somehow botched incredibly.
It's not an offense? Just a weird flaw in her logic. She boldly asserted that she's targeting winners and then puts down someone who may not have won despite there being two already confirmed winners. Like if Savannah actually didn't win 49, this would look pretty stupid. Thankfully for Chrissy's sake, she did. But why gamble on a wild hunch when you have a 100% guarantee?
Okay this wasn't the interpretation I had from your original comment - it felt more mocking of Chrissy? This makes more sense to me.
Chrissy could deduce that there must be one former winner in each of the three starting tribes, just like we did. We basically knew Sav was going to win.
They wouldn’t know their starting tribes yet