Hi, I'm an emerald top laner and recently have been learning ADC. What do I do with roaming supports? I've been playing normals so my mechanics and overall macro are better than most opponents still, but playing 1v2 against some match-ups is terrible.
If I'm a Jinx into a Smolder / Janna, I'm probably winning 1v2, but even silver/gold Naut players can flash auto my ass if I'm playing something like MF. Recently I had a game where my support started roaming the map lvl 4-5 leaving me alone vs a Draven / LB and if I got within a screen from LB I got murdered. She could just one-shot me with W-W-E and Draven ult.
I think the simplest thing would be to play something like Ziggs bot, but I don't want to just climb playing mages, I want to learn the role properly. Any tips? I've had supports abandon lane as early as lvl 2.
There is no "solution" big brain challenger level strat.
It's simple. Sit back within xp range, try to farm the minimal amount of minions that you can and try not to die. If your supp is roaming then hopefully they are getting other lanes and jung ahead. Your only objective during this is to try and not get their bot lane too ahead, you do this by not dying.
Accept that you won't be the carry for the next 25+ mins as you get further and further behind and pray that your team does something on the map.
No way. Any bot lane with brain cells in plat or above will recognize you are alone in lane and zone you off exp range or run you down and kill you.
Yup lol. So u are simply in survival mode mode
Sit back, relax, play some payphone and try and get as much as you can without dying. If you can't get anything without dying you are getting nothing. Welcome to our humble role, hope you enjoy your stay.
Nah if you can't get anything without dying you also roam lmao. It's better to do something on the map and accelerate the game that sit bot lane while they're freezing on you.
Idk I rahter sit in lane 1v2 getting nothing while my team hopefully wins 4v3 than to flip it even more by running mid together with enemy support.
This is correct. Because the moment they see you leaving the lane they will push like crazy and take it all. Just sit under turret or freeze on your side. Most bot laners in emerald cant freeze like for too long and wave will eventually come closer to you. The moment they support leaves you can at least walk in exp gaining range. Its normal for supp to leave in higher elos. Remember that while you suffer in bot lane 1v2 the rest of the map gets ahead with 4v3. Normal supports before leaving will help you secure wave either by pushing it till their nexus and let it die and reset or help freeze it near your turret. Also when enemy jungler will take camps near bot lane expect that normal supports will roam back at you. If you die by getting greedy and stepping out too much remember that both exp and gold is lost as enemy will immediatly shove the wave to your turret and take it all. If this somehow fails, dont cry and just freeze the wave under 2nd turret. The rest of the map will be under strain thou as it would be 5v4. But then also pay attention to macro and push and rotate to clear mid and help secure objectives. Welcome to ADC :)
That is grossly incorrect. If the enemy laners are freezing on you and ZONING YOU OFF EXP, you're better off roaming the map and letting them hard shove and take your tower (which you were gonna lose anyway).
You're better off playing for an assist, assisting with grubs to get your legend stacks, invading the enemy jungler with your own jungle and support, etc. Literally making any play in the map than just sitting bot while the enemy freezes and denies you exp is better.
Fucking dumb to just sit there getting nothing lmao. Ask any challenger ADC this question (because I already did).
No, wrong. It's a lose/lose situation. You stay in lane getting NOTHING (not even exp because they're zoning you off), or you help with grubs, ganks, etc. and at least get assists, legend stacks, etc.
If they see you making a play mid or top side and shove the wave in and take your tower, so what? You were gonna lose it anyway. If anything, now waves are pushing closer to you where it's safe to pick up the waves.
I'm not familiar with this phrase. What does it mean?
Ah sorry its a reference to this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b91jJ7HNsXQ
Payphone id the song in that video
I'm familiar with getting screwed 1v2, sometimes I volunteered to 1v2 bot before they implemented lane swap detection against cheesy picks like Heimer. Difference though is that my champions were better suited to 1v2 and I was in full control of the lane state. A lot of the times I get abandoned in shitty lane states.
I hoped there might be something better than just stay out of kill range, but I guess that's life.
Ideally roaming supports do it on a timer. Not willy nilly. The best time for a support to roam is after a crashed wave into the enemy tower. Then they roam while the wave slowly pushes back to your side and they catch the wave as it hits tower so they don't end up falling crazy behind on exp. Supports shouldn't be roaming when the enemy has a freeze. You both need to force the wave to crash and get off a reset.
Depends on the state of the lane and state of the game. These scenarios assume that you are 1v2 bot:
You just crashed the lane, and support is rotating or recalls - you recall
The wave is pushing towards you - you wait under tower / at xp range. Once the wave crashes, then try to lasthit as much as possible without getting poked
The wave is pushing towards them, and enemies are in lane - wait to see if they push (below diamonds, they usually push always) if they push them go to step 2
Enemies are freezing - this is the worst scenario. Here, you need support / jungle help to break the freeze. If it's not possible, then I usually roam mid because this will force enemies bot to push the wave to try to do something. Remember that the roam can't be too long. You need to go back for when they finally push bot.
Keep in mind that when your support is roaming, you will lose cs and fall a bit behind. The most important part is not to die.
If your support is roaming, then losing tower is almost inevitable, but that can be a good thing. After this tower falls, you will be able to catch bot waves further down in a safer place. It will also be much easier for your teammates to collapse on enemy botlane if they want to push tier 2.
Play safe eventually the fact they are splitting resource and you aren't will lead you getting ahead.
If you can survive to mid/late game without feeding in the 1v2 situation your team will be in a better spot as you will spike quicker
Your ass will not get ahead 1v2ing bot. Playing safe is still the right thing to do, but make no mistakes about it, you will be behind.
When I play support I generally roam if I don't think I can have an impact on the lane (e.g. lux "APC") or my adc is toxic (e.g. I get a kill bc of ignite and then get framed for KSing).
I do however return to lane once jungler could show up to gank or objectives are there. And mainly will just try to roam mid or help securing voids by warding
You are throwing by doing this btw. Help the ADC shove the wave and THEN roam, that way the wave will bounce back to your tower naturally (if your adc is smart and doesn't start pushing again) and by the time you are back, the wave should be close to hitting your tower.
Turn to the dark side and play APC. Long range waveclear on Seraphine, Ziggs, Lux, Hwei to allow your Pyke or Bard to int another lane and not get you caught in the accusation crossfire.
The AD equivalents are Sivir and Ezreal.
You have to sit there and absorb scraps of xp and gold and hope your team wins. As adc you have little to no agency in the game if your team doesn’t want to help you.
When your support roams, you have to accept that you are not the main character of the game. If you're 1v2 in the bot lane, your team is 4v3 in other parts of the map. They are getting (hopefully) objectives, towers, jungle farm kills.
What do you do? Stay out of nautilus's flash range. Don't get within a screen of leblanc. Stay in XP range, walk away if the enemy walks at you, and allow your team to execute their plan.
YOUR part of the plan is 'don't die'. So that's it. Do that.
You do the exact same thing you do in top lane when you know enemy jg/supp/mid is doing a gank from lane brush?
It's not rocket surgery. Don't die. Farm what you can. accept the fact you're going to lose some cs.
I hate to say it but...welcome to ADC lol.
There's very few options you have in situations like that; you collect as much CS and exp as you can without dying and hope the game is playable when you get 3 items. Also pray your jungler sees the enemy being too keen to fight you and capitalizes with a gank (their jungler will be the one that comes first because 3v1). Playing Ziggs is a good response to stuff like this, you can farm from off-screen and you're impossible to dive because you can clear a wave in 2 buttons. It's one of the reason mages are better bot laners than ADCs, unfortunately. Another good choice is Sivir to keep waves away from your tower and make dives/pressure harder to maintain.
EDIT: I also want to add that playing mages to climb IS learning the role properly. That's just how league works these days. There's not a lot of objective arguments for playing Ashe over Ziggs or Lucian instead of Swain or Hwei. It's mostly tradition and preference.
Farm and chill, hopefully the wave pushes to u or cri 🥲.
If the wave is frozen and theres absolutely no chance they will push in a 2v1 then roam mid/jg to fight (extreme case), otherwise enemy sp should follow roams and u 1v1 hands diff their adc 👌.
Remember to ward beforehand so u dont get jumped from behind like a sucker though.
Draven/LB specifically is cursed. Not much you can do 1v2 except sit under tower and not die. But your support is roaming at bad times if your constantly feeling you have to give stuff up to not die. Fo me I would just play something like ezreal who can deal with a variety of 1v2 situations. But I like ezreal so that's easy.
You do the same thing you would do in top lane when the jungle or support comes to your lane ... I don't understand the question , isn't it obvious you you get any cs/exp you can with it dying
Winning the game is not on you, but losing the game is. Just dont die, its worth sacking cs if your topside is winning because of it
Nah, your support makes you irrelevant to the game by choosing that strategy. If your top laner is being fed by your support, it's an exaggeration to say that if they lose it will be your fault and not your top laner's for not taking advantage of their advantage.
No I'm saying that you can still be the losing factor by feeding, but you can never be the winning factor because you're 1v2
"If we lose it's my ADC's fault, but if we win whe carried him," yeah, sounds like bullshit to me.
I mean you're not listening to me so I'd assume everything sounds bullshit to you then
"Winning the game is not on you, but losing the game is," is literally what you're saying. You're saying that if an ADC wins those kinds of games, they were simply carried and didn't influence their team's victory, but if they lose, it's their fault. You're being contradictory.
Not if they lose its their fault, im saying that if they go 0/10 because they greed for farm when they are in a 1v2 they will be the losing factor.
All im saying is that its IMPOSSIBLE to be 10/0 in lane in 1v2 but it is very possible to be 0/10.
When you are being hard weaksided you should be carriable, not risk the game to try to force some impact.
I cannot tell if you're ragebaiting or not but I'd suggest you to losen up your ego if you're not. I am an adc main myself, I'm not talking down on the role.
My point is that if you're a factor in defeat, you're also a factor in victory. No, brother, an ADC isn't being carried if they win by not dying in a 2v1. We're being put in the most boring situation in the world by our support's arbitrary decisions, and yet we keep a cool head and continue to value the game. If we win, it's a well-deserved victory, and we deserve recognition instead of being treated like slaves to supports who have accepted their place as inferior trash who will never shine and can only wait to be carried by the real roles
Roaming supports? Those are dead now
How do we tell him
matchmaking will tell him :)
This has been the worst strategy that has ever came to league low elo players best chance to win is to get ur adc ahead... when u leave and make it a 4v3 tell the game becomes aram what do u think happend when the game reaches 25+ mins its now a 5v3 the support is under lvled the adc is has no farm is under lvled and bot towers are gone... than the adc gets blamed at the end of the game while the adc trys to explain wtf you want me to do my support left at lvl 2 and never came back... shits dumb
ping a wave, tell them you die on this wave, die on that wave, get told to stfu for being a crying adc