To me the item seems lowkey bonkers, gives all the right stats, and free damage after almost every ability.
Champs like Jax completely love the item, so why don't other auto attack based AD Champs?
For example Voli would build it great, no? Yasuo and Yone? they'd be a little more tanky aswell with the item Olaf would go crazy, free 250 damage after every E or Q
so why do so little people build it? the only ones i can think off the top of my head are Jax, Sometimes Darius and Smolder, and that's about it
Its not auto attack based champions that love it.
Its champions that weave in empowered AAs that love it.
Jax gets insane value by being able to do proc TF so many times in a fight because of his Ws low cooldown.
Same goes for all of the main champions that buy it. Corki, Ezreal, Camille, Gnar, Gangplank, Zaahen, Nasus, Yorick, Fiora, Wukong
All of those are champions who build it in a majority of their games. Youre just not paying enough attention
Yeah lol, tri is great on the Champs that can actually use it. It's just not a lot of Champs can squeeze value out of spellblade to make it worth.
Theres actually quite a high number of champions who can use Triforce.
Its a primary item on like 20~ champions, and a decision item on another like 30.
Its not really that niche overall.
Haven't seen Fiona get it in like 2 years
Its her most common second item by far. But definitely doesnt get built first which would mean you're seeing it less on average anyways.
It is literally her 2nd item almost every game :/
Well im a mid plat toplane shitter who plays against her, not as her, and in NA. Maybe that colours my perception.
I respect the honesty. Shows character.
What do they even build then? Like I understand when Goredrinker was a thing but now? She is pretty much in this Camille category where you build the same shit 99.9% of the time and that 0.1 % you basically just go Maw instead of Steraks/DD lmao. Or if the Stride was broken but it’s in balanced state.
i always see them rush ravenous for the haste, sustain, and waveclear, followed by bruiser items like dd, maw, steraks etc. as u mentioned.
It's just a generally fine item. It doesn't do anything specifically good. Adcs do more with crit, others benefit more from tiamat items, champs like Irelia much prefer BotRK. It does a lot, just not enough to be preferred in a lot of cases.
You say this like building bork or cleave prevents you from building TF lol
Yeah cause its generally worse??
Both are better.
You can buy all of them if you’re way ahead. But typically you want to start building some resistances/anti-burst/sustain by 3rd item.
Because it's an item that gives a lot of stats + Sheen effect, ideal Triforce users need the following to maximize its value:
Spammable low CD ability to proc Spellblade often
Make use of Health + AD + AS + CDR (mostly bruisers)
A lot of champs can use it, but factoring in its cost and Sheen's painful combine cost, it's only the ideal rush on specific champs nowadays.
Volibear's cooldowns are quite long early, and Yasuo and Yone generally rush BoRK because their CDR value is low (their primary ability Q CD scales off of AS), and they only have room for 1 luxury non-Crit item before their buildpath gets expensive.
FYI Smolder's meta build has been ER rush since his crit changes a long time ago.
It's pretty expensive stat stick item, and there are a lot of cheaper items out there that synergize more with specific champions. SOmeone like Illaoi might love triforce, but why bother when IBG is there at 2900 or cleaver at 3000? Theres a world where ambessa might like triforce, but eclipse is also great at only 2900 gold. This compounds because competition for second item is also really tight, and its still really expensive. Its decent to good on a lot of champions, but its rarely the best so its just crowded out by its own cost
I always considered building it on ambessa but always just assumed it was a dumb idea or other people would be doing it. I just couldn't figure out why it was a dumb idea.
I haven't played in awhile so I can't remember if it gives attack speed but I always thought AS was extremely underrated on her early. I always wanted to build IBG too but I know she scales pretty hard off AD.
From what I understand it's similar to the reason Riven doesn't use it, Ambessa combos too fast for it to be really effective. Ambessa and Riven are bruiser-assassin hybrids where they do have the defensive abilities to be strong duelists but they have very high burst. Eclipse gives high AD, has a burst passive, and the shield scales with AD which she builds a lot of. Or she builds Voltaic/Profane which are assassin items.
Also I don't think attack speed is that good on Ambessa TBH it's a nice luxury stat to have but it's not really a priority
Yeah, not priority but feels really good for getting empowered autos off in early and midgame. Can't tell you how many times I've died where it's both me and the other champ AAing for the kill but I did bc they're hitting me first. I think it's matchup dependent where you can actually stand and fight more than having to play ultra cautious like vs a darius.
Ambessa doesn't need the mana, and doesn't really need the attack speed. Her playstyle is basically dump out all her damage as quickly as possible, instead of waiting 1.5 seconds between skills and AAs. So sheen items aren't great on her in general.
I think she actually benefits a good bit in actual play from AS. It feels a lot less clunky getting her empowered AAs off. Late game it doesn't feel as impactful bc your CDs are low enough that you're just trying to spam abilities in teamfights but a little bit of AS in early and midgame when you're still 1v1ing a lot actually feels pretty good.
Mana is obviously a completely dead stat. Sometimes I feel ibg is good enough to build even on manaless champs but I never crossed that threshold.
Trinity no longer gives mana btw
I was talking about ibg under the assumption the comment I was responding to was talking about mana in relation to ibg. One day if I start playing again (please God give me strength to say no) I'm going to say fuck it and slam iceborn on her.
IBG also doesn't have mana either LOL
Wait what? I'm about to log on just to build it so I can say I finally did it.
Trinity no longer gives mana btw
Oh lmao... living in the past, oops.
As an ambessa main. The Sheen proc doesn't work with the empowered passive auto. She doesn't need attack speed at all and you usually try to kill with a full combo so it would be 1 proc most of the time per spell rotation.
All of that combined make trinity a shit item on ambessa so no. There is no world where ambessa build it.
TriForce is a great item, but it's also one of the most expensive items in the game. Whether a champ builds it often comes down to how well it uses Sheen. Champs like Yone and Yasuo have low base AD so they don't use it well. Irelia uses abilities way too fast to proc the 1.5 second cooldown sheen. Volibear can build it, and it's been solid on him in the past. But he can build everything and other items are just better. Same with Olaf, he just needs stride or ravenous more. It's not bad if you want to just split push and don't need the extra slow from stridebreaker in skirmishes, but why would you pick Olaf to split when Fiora, Jax, Trundle exist?
It's because Jax for example applies on hit effects like sheen on W. Yasuo does too but he uses a lot of Qs in a row where sheen has too long of a cd to be worth it.
A lot of Champs do build it. Champions that love spellblade effects usually love trinity force; it can just be tough to justify as a first item because it costs 18 billion gold.
One other aspect is that sundered sky replaced triforce for some bruisers preferring the heal over flat hp
Yasuo (and I think Yone but forgot) used to build it, Riot doesn't like when they are too tanky so they buffed their crit scalings, they are kind of forced to build crit right now.
Olaf seems like the most obvious Stridebreaker user of all time. He loves the slow. And then after first item he just builds utility/defensive items like Death's Dance, Sundered, Hexplate, etc.. The extra DPS from Trinity isn't worth it for him.
Volibear CAN build Trinity Force and has in the past but right now he has better builds. For example full tank and just relying on base damages is pretty good because with his base damages it's not like teams can ignore him so he serves as a very strong frontliner. Or the AP build of RoA -> Flickerblades. Volibear gets attack speed from AP and his passive has an AP ratio meaning AP is the best for a bruiser/DPS build (which Trinity would usually fill). There's also Cosmic which is less tanky but it gives him much needed movement speed. One of the only champs in the game that rushes Cosmic because of how good MS is on him.
Trinity is good for singletarget damage and many champions have aoe damage.
I could be off, but the stats feel like they don't justify the high cost unless you're really good at using the Sheen proc.
Sheen
So "few" is the word you're looking for btw.
It’s boring.
Trinity Force is all about the spellblade effect, which is pretty much only worthwhile on champions with abilities that are enhanced auto-attacks.
Champs that can run Trinity Force well:
* Camille (because of Q)
* Darius (because of W)
* Ezreal (because Q applies on-hit effects)
* Fiora (because of E)
* Gangplank (because Q applies the effect)
* Garen (because of Q)
* Gnar (doesn't really have an ability that synergizes with it, he just really likes the combination of stats)
* Hecarim (because of Q's low cooldown)
* Illaoi (because of W)
* Irelia (because Q applies the effect)
* Jax (because of W)
* Nasus (because of Q)
* Sett (because of Q)
* Shyvana (because of Q)
* Smolder (because of Q)
* Trundle (because of Q)
* Udyr (can easily trigger it with all his abilities)
* Vi (because of E)
* Viego (because Q applies on-hit effects)
* Wukong (because of Q)
* Xin Zhao (because of Q)
* Yorick (because of Q)
* Zaahen (because of Q)
Fiora also has her Q applying on-hit
(Gangplank has the possibility to proc sheen twice in 1 barrel explosion)
Gnar Q (especially Mega) has a really low cool-down if you pick it up. Also Trinity scales with base AD and Mega Gnar has the highest base AD in the game
Irelia doesn‘t really like it, because she wastes sheen a lot on minions in fights (was only good during mythic era because of the stats)
Viego Q doesn’t apply on-hit, but is a short cd ability and viego wants to aa after every ability
Some other champions you mentioned also rarely build it though that might be because there are currently just better items for them
It’s a jack of all trades master of none item. Your champion needs to have very low base cooldowns to constantly proc it and get value out of it. Even the best users of it incur wasted stats that they don’t really care about despite the gold value.
What if I hold my spells back and try to weave them in to get more Spellblade procs? You’ve just delayed your second rotation of spells which can be fatal. Alternatively, the enemy might disengage after dumping 3 spells onto you while you only got in 1 spell.
Additionally triforce’s spellblade scales with base AD. There are a handful of champions who either gain tons of bonus AD, have high scalings or have strong on hit effects and in turn get balanced to have low base AD to not be level 1 power houses. Champions like Senna or MF in particular (along with most ADCs) have low base AD and can’t build Triforce.
Triforce is balanced around Ezreal. This machine gun gremlin that is firing out a Q every 2 seconds.
Right now, Sundered sky is in way too strong of a state. Vi used to build triforce several seasons ago and now Sundered Sky, Black Cleaver, even her cheese lethality crit build is performing far better than Triforce, an ancient item that hasn’t been changed despite power creep everywhere.
Sundered Sky is what allows Riven to pop her ult, get a ton of bonus AD, waste all her dashes, flash auto your ADC with a 900 crit into R execute and heal back 50% of her HP from triumph, death’s dance and sundered Sky auto.
Yasuo and Yone prefer lifesteal, on hit and above all crit. A single crit item causes every one of their autos to hit harder than a spellblade auto. Some of the power budget is in haste, neither of the use haste leading to wasted stats.
Triforce doesn’t suit Olaf’s trading pattern which is long distance poke or continuous all in autos. If Olaf picks a bad all in or tries to take very short trades, he gets chased down and kited.
Triforce Vayne and Smolder are examples of cheeky ranged tops making full use of its hit and run capabilities.
Triforce Darius is due to how his passive interacts with Quicken. For most champions, 20 movespeed for 2 seconds is meaningless. Darius likes to apply his bleed to a minion and suddenly he gets 20 movespeed for 8 seconds which makes him deceptively closer to you than expected. He still goes Stridebreaker anyways, Triforce isn’t stated well.
Champs with auto attack resets really like tri as well. Gives insane burst with an easy trade pattern early in lanes.
It's not. Other items are often simply better for either utility (stride, rav hydra) or raw damage (botrk, yun tal)
From a game design perspective, tri-force can only ever be slightly underpowered on champs like Olaf, Voli, Yone because because Jax and Camille exist. These champs can force an in-and-out playstyle, always trading around spellblade passive. Changing numbers is not going to fix it. They need to fundamentally change the item or the kit of in-and-out bruisers for it to be widely viable on more linear champions.
Then you can ask the question if that's even worth it, or that the niche the item fills right now is good enough. I'd argue it's fine the way it is. I haven't played the new patch yet, but last season olaf had two viable builds, voli had three, yone had two, yasuo maybe 1.5.
Used to be first item for a bunch of champions because there weren't as many niche items that fit specific playtimes (ie stridebreaker, eclipse, etc)
Voli does build it. Or at least should build it most of the time. Gnar builds it, trundle builds it, Wukong… there are a few
Voli has low base ad and his cooldowns are too long to proc trinity off cooldown like better users are
Volibear literaly has 65 ad, one of the highest in the game. Thats why steraks as well has insane value on him
you won't have triforce at level 1 bro, volis ad growth is ass
steraks is built not because of the base ad bonus value, it's just a good ass bruiser item
You're also ignoring ad growth, at 18 his base ad is 124. Which is on the very low end of the top lane cast.
While yes his base ad is high, in comparison to other triforce builder's its very low. The only ones lower than him are fiora (who procs it off cd), mini gnar, and a few adcs
Look at stats and high elo. It is mostly trinity and iceborn with some people still stuck on cosmic
Yeah i just checked and it's a pretty good rush item didn't know that, also it's only in voli jungle, which I will admit i forgot about the entire time I was discussing him
Literally best Voli worlds op.gg: https://op.gg/de/lol/summoners/euw/TTV%20HYBRADGE-ADL
Huh? Voli doesn't build tri force. He wants health/AP/CDR more than anything. Voli would rather build Cosmic Drive or RoA or IBG or even Nashors before he'd ever consider tri force.
And then he wants resistances from his 3rd item onwards. Spirit Visage/Unending Despair/FH
Best Voli worlds op.gg: https://op.gg/de/lol/summoners/euw/TTV%20HYBRADGE-ADL
This guy has 3 wins on Volibear in Diamond in the last 3 months
What am I looking at lol
the last few patches changed Voli from wanting AP to wanting AD and Triforce has Health/AD/CDR + sheen is actually pretty good on him