”We’re not from the left or right. Yes, I hate everyone who is on the right and cut my father out of my life for voting Trump. No, I do not disagree with a single policy of the democrat party and think Kamala ran a flawless campaign”
I’ve seen this exact character my entire life. They will LARP with this kind of messaging when they’re the opposition party and then settle for simply being in charge as soon as they get an election win over the current boogeyman they’re running against
By definition the right wing cannot be part of the working class movement. The right is defined by its stance against the working class. Yes even if some adherents are themselves workers.
This doesn’t mean one should cut family out of their lives, but the aim should be to get them to reject those beliefs. Else, the author is correct that they would be incompatible with a working class movement.
The article was explicitly critical of the right, so clearly not a democrat, and was even critical of parliamentarian social democrats.
That said I do have my own criticisms of the article. Mainly that syndicalism doesn’t go far enough, and if somehow seized power it would struggle is sustaining its society.
But still, working class unions should exclude all leftists who are bosses, employers, public bureaucrats and politicians. And they should welcome workers in general, including workers who vote on center and right parties. That's what unions do. A united working class sharply divides the left. A broad united left divides the class.
Yeah I agree that a union should be the workers themselves and not include the class the Union was created in opposition to.
That said, I disagree with the whole “don’t align to political groups”. It seems like the author is unaware that creating a union is itself a political act. The whole premise of unions, why they’re needed, etc is political, and to be specific it is leftwing politics
I too am curious. We’ve established that a unionized workforce, unionizing with the aim of seizing the means of production, is inherently a political act and a leftwing one at that(very leftwing, far left haha). Again, I’m frankly baffled by the author’s implied point that this somehow stands outside of politics.
So if unionization, especially radical unionization with the aims of giving control of society to workers, is inherently political, what exactly is the problem with allying the unions with a political party that has the same ideological line and is able to operate in various arenas.
Yes the workplace is the nexus of class struggle, but there’s more than the workplace in society. I just don’t see the path between where we are today and a society under the control of the working class. The capitalist class will not let his happen, there will be attacks (of all kinds), etc. so how exactly do we go from there to there?
Arguing from the anarchist position, aligning with political parties not only introduces a hierarchical structure but adds in agents with differing incentives than the rank-and-file worker. They are worried about individuals/cliques with too much power over the masses as well as the potential for corruption.
One can accuse them of being naive or overly idealistic, but their fears are not misplaced. Too many ostensibly left parties have devolved into authoritarianism and corruption by non-worker elements. Also, it's hard to even imagine anything approaching an effective worker's party in the developed world over the past three decades. Everything has been either ineffectual, corrupt, and/or careerist schemes...often all three at once!
You are unirocally more likely to get class conscious populism from the right than the left the way things are heading. People on the left with LARP with this sort of messaging and then can it the second they get into power because any criticism of their own side is helping Trump. The right is currently in power and fracturing with people fed up getting lip service from people who get into office only to suck off rich people and Israel
The right is currently in power and doing literally everything it can, even some really retarded shit, to rob workers and taking a battering ram to the tattered remains of what was already a thin safety net.
The maga crowd has kept firm support for the Trump administration’s moves, and the only point of contention has been Israel, and less because the genocide and more because of nationalist sentiment about “another country telling us what to do and taking our money” (which is a backwards analysis, both morally and logically, but that’s a different discussion). I’ve seen zero pushback on the policies that are ironically hurting them.
The ones who do get it, are shedding from maga and largely sinking into apathy or moving left, as polling shows year over year more people siding with left politics
Rightwing populism is an oxymoron. This, right now, IS the height of right wing populism. It’s merely a cynical ploy to exploit some workers (and even that is debatable, since trumps core constituency is the petit bourgeoise and the national bourgeoise) into supporting one faction of the ruling class into dominating the entire class. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” situation. Populism is a dead end as it is inherently class collaborationist, and this is the result. We traded one section of the ruling class, for another and one that’s more aggressive against the working class lol.
Edit: I just realized you’re a rightoid and think the democrats are the left 🤦♂️ they’re just another flavor of the right
And if spazing and bucking the establishment means power to the working class, then they would become part of the left.
There is no right wing path to the liberation of the working class. It is, again, what defines the right; opposition to the working class.
Even if you were correct in your claim that current populist rightwingers/maga types were the most revolutionary element, if they come to the conclusion that the workers should run society they would, by definition, be rejecting their rightwing beliefs.
But again, you’re incorrect given this group of people is overwhelmingly petit bourgeoise and nationalist bourgeoise.
And the inverse of your claim is also incorrect. To be clear I am not saying democrats are revolutionary kindling, not by any stretch, but if we’re measuring, the majority of self identified democrats are at least willing to concede the point that capitalism has inherent problems that need some means of addressing. They’re, technically, closer to a pro working class position by default. Meanwhile if I go on maga subs, conservative, republican, etc you still, without a teeny bit of irony or self awareness, see “critiques” saying the main problem we have today is “crony capitalism”, and that specifically the issue is the half assed measures the ruling class has put into place to somewhat soften the worst outcomes of capitalism (like environmental projection regulations). Essentially they’re so capitalist, the main problem is that we’re not capitalist enough 😂
Although, now that I think about it… is your main point here positions on culture? Because reading the article the only way I could see the author “agreeing with all democrat points” is them saying they don’t hate sexual minorities, women, and aren’t racist (although the specific term they used is problematic, so I’m hoping they didn’t mean it the Kendi way and are just using it as “I don’t believe anyone’s race makes them better than anyone of other races”)
lol no, the only things right-wing “populism” agitates for are a bigger cut of the imperial spoils, along with even greater brutality toward the unpropertied and designated underclasses.
My guess is you're right. There's a guy smoking a cigarette in the background. I was thinking these protests were around 2012, but the butt in public is a bit anachronistic.
I'm guessing 90s, maybe early 2000s. Thalidomide protests
Love to see power bottoms rise up against the dominant top class
Are we coming for them as in “we’ll get our justice” or are we coming for them as in…
Syndicalists are largely exhibitionists. They’ll cum for anyone who wants to watch
As in taking all their wealth and power
cum tribute🥴😩💦
"If you're not from the left you must be from the right, MAGAt"
Incorrect
That’s the joke
How is this idea different than regular unions? Aren't they open to all the workers at a workplace regardless of their politics?
Check article
Now this is stupid
”We’re not from the left or right. Yes, I hate everyone who is on the right and cut my father out of my life for voting Trump. No, I do not disagree with a single policy of the democrat party and think Kamala ran a flawless campaign”
If you imagine this character of yours saying something about micro aggressions you can make yourself even angrier
I’ve seen this exact character my entire life. They will LARP with this kind of messaging when they’re the opposition party and then settle for simply being in charge as soon as they get an election win over the current boogeyman they’re running against
As usual, our resident rightoids reveal themselves to be more concerned with tit-for-tat bickering with shitlibs than joining the class struggle.
By definition the right wing cannot be part of the working class movement. The right is defined by its stance against the working class. Yes even if some adherents are themselves workers.
This doesn’t mean one should cut family out of their lives, but the aim should be to get them to reject those beliefs. Else, the author is correct that they would be incompatible with a working class movement.
The article was explicitly critical of the right, so clearly not a democrat, and was even critical of parliamentarian social democrats.
That said I do have my own criticisms of the article. Mainly that syndicalism doesn’t go far enough, and if somehow seized power it would struggle is sustaining its society.
But still, working class unions should exclude all leftists who are bosses, employers, public bureaucrats and politicians. And they should welcome workers in general, including workers who vote on center and right parties. That's what unions do. A united working class sharply divides the left. A broad united left divides the class.
Yeah I agree that a union should be the workers themselves and not include the class the Union was created in opposition to.
That said, I disagree with the whole “don’t align to political groups”. It seems like the author is unaware that creating a union is itself a political act. The whole premise of unions, why they’re needed, etc is political, and to be specific it is leftwing politics
Align with parties is poison
If by parties you mean something like the American Duopoly, I agree.
If something like a truly working class party were to exist, then it would be shortsighted not to collaborate with it.
Disagree
I too am curious. We’ve established that a unionized workforce, unionizing with the aim of seizing the means of production, is inherently a political act and a leftwing one at that(very leftwing, far left haha). Again, I’m frankly baffled by the author’s implied point that this somehow stands outside of politics.
So if unionization, especially radical unionization with the aims of giving control of society to workers, is inherently political, what exactly is the problem with allying the unions with a political party that has the same ideological line and is able to operate in various arenas.
Yes the workplace is the nexus of class struggle, but there’s more than the workplace in society. I just don’t see the path between where we are today and a society under the control of the working class. The capitalist class will not let his happen, there will be attacks (of all kinds), etc. so how exactly do we go from there to there?
Arguing from the anarchist position, aligning with political parties not only introduces a hierarchical structure but adds in agents with differing incentives than the rank-and-file worker. They are worried about individuals/cliques with too much power over the masses as well as the potential for corruption.
One can accuse them of being naive or overly idealistic, but their fears are not misplaced. Too many ostensibly left parties have devolved into authoritarianism and corruption by non-worker elements. Also, it's hard to even imagine anything approaching an effective worker's party in the developed world over the past three decades. Everything has been either ineffectual, corrupt, and/or careerist schemes...often all three at once!
Jumping in here and I’m curious, tell me more?
So most of the working class isn’t part of the working class movement lollllllll
You are unirocally more likely to get class conscious populism from the right than the left the way things are heading. People on the left with LARP with this sort of messaging and then can it the second they get into power because any criticism of their own side is helping Trump. The right is currently in power and fracturing with people fed up getting lip service from people who get into office only to suck off rich people and Israel
The right is currently in power and doing literally everything it can, even some really retarded shit, to rob workers and taking a battering ram to the tattered remains of what was already a thin safety net.
The maga crowd has kept firm support for the Trump administration’s moves, and the only point of contention has been Israel, and less because the genocide and more because of nationalist sentiment about “another country telling us what to do and taking our money” (which is a backwards analysis, both morally and logically, but that’s a different discussion). I’ve seen zero pushback on the policies that are ironically hurting them.
The ones who do get it, are shedding from maga and largely sinking into apathy or moving left, as polling shows year over year more people siding with left politics
Rightwing populism is an oxymoron. This, right now, IS the height of right wing populism. It’s merely a cynical ploy to exploit some workers (and even that is debatable, since trumps core constituency is the petit bourgeoise and the national bourgeoise) into supporting one faction of the ruling class into dominating the entire class. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” situation. Populism is a dead end as it is inherently class collaborationist, and this is the result. We traded one section of the ruling class, for another and one that’s more aggressive against the working class lol.
Edit: I just realized you’re a rightoid and think the democrats are the left 🤦♂️ they’re just another flavor of the right
I’m not talking about Trump. He’s going to be the reason people finally spaz and buck the establishment.
And if spazing and bucking the establishment means power to the working class, then they would become part of the left.
There is no right wing path to the liberation of the working class. It is, again, what defines the right; opposition to the working class.
Even if you were correct in your claim that current populist rightwingers/maga types were the most revolutionary element, if they come to the conclusion that the workers should run society they would, by definition, be rejecting their rightwing beliefs.
But again, you’re incorrect given this group of people is overwhelmingly petit bourgeoise and nationalist bourgeoise.
And the inverse of your claim is also incorrect. To be clear I am not saying democrats are revolutionary kindling, not by any stretch, but if we’re measuring, the majority of self identified democrats are at least willing to concede the point that capitalism has inherent problems that need some means of addressing. They’re, technically, closer to a pro working class position by default. Meanwhile if I go on maga subs, conservative, republican, etc you still, without a teeny bit of irony or self awareness, see “critiques” saying the main problem we have today is “crony capitalism”, and that specifically the issue is the half assed measures the ruling class has put into place to somewhat soften the worst outcomes of capitalism (like environmental projection regulations). Essentially they’re so capitalist, the main problem is that we’re not capitalist enough 😂
Although, now that I think about it… is your main point here positions on culture? Because reading the article the only way I could see the author “agreeing with all democrat points” is them saying they don’t hate sexual minorities, women, and aren’t racist (although the specific term they used is problematic, so I’m hoping they didn’t mean it the Kendi way and are just using it as “I don’t believe anyone’s race makes them better than anyone of other races”)
lol no, the only things right-wing “populism” agitates for are a bigger cut of the imperial spoils, along with even greater brutality toward the unpropertied and designated underclasses.
Succinct and very well put
Zero chance the woman holding the sign would compromise on pretty much anything these right wing working class people want.
Ok
I’m just gonna assume this is an old picture because most protesters today are clearly not from the “bottom” and not against the “top”.
My guess is you're right. There's a guy smoking a cigarette in the background. I was thinking these protests were around 2012, but the butt in public is a bit anachronistic.
I'm guessing 90s, maybe early 2000s. Thalidomide protests
Ok