Its funny but getting quite ridiculous

  • One of the most accurate starter packs I’ve ever seen

    yeah props to OP for capturing both sides, normally starter packs just talk about one side.

    We got two starter packs in one!

    The "starter pack" starter pack format where this get normalised

  • ugh i hate the “JAPAN IS LITERALLY LIVING IM 2050!!!!” bullshit. and 10/10 it’s just some stupid gadget you’ll get on temu

    edit: like wtf is this https://youtube.com/shorts/NWZociw7tJY?si=iQN1Hh-X3s9JaWjU

    those mcdonald’s shakers were popular in the 90s right? and you can get those types of salad dressings at different fast food joints in the states. it’s so weird how we (americans) sometimes see japan as “exotic” when we see stuff like this. but the comments call it out too.

    part of me thinks is ragebait

    A funny result of the increasing cultural and economic dominance of China is that a lot of those videos are actually from China nowadays but people just associate “Asian technology doo dad” with Japan.

    some are so uneducated they believe that entierety of asia is one conflomerate

    African countries: "first time?"

    In my country it's associated with China, so it depends.

    the sauce squeeze packets are Australian anyway. which really just makes it even funnier.

    Half of the posts in r/damnthatsinteresting are like that, usually posted by bots, and half the comments are from bots too.

    I muted that awhile ago. I feel like it's all bots all the time. And they are better at commenting than they used to be too.

    Japan is living in 2050

    Look inside

    Single use plastics

    Also

    Japan has the best snacks

    Look inside

    Palm oil

    Then you work with a Japanese company and they're sending you images inside excel sheets and love faxing.

    A lot of the company websites are stuck in the 90's too.

    Oh that's only scratching the surface. Damn near all Japanese websites are built off a shit architecture and don't even come close to using accepted current security practices. Add to this most require you to put in your name in Hiragana/Katakana but don't tell you if it's full width or half width. I had one that kept rejecting my inputs because I was pasting my name (Katakana) as my keyboard doesn't natively type in Japanese. That one took me a solid hour to figure out. Foreigners living here have so many issues with their names being too long (they're not) or other issues like hyphens.

    The Japanese internet is a fucking mess that needs to die as soon as possible. But when the government minister that is in charge of technology in Japan has never used a computer, you know you are in trouble.

    “THESE GADGETS PROOF JAPAN IS LIVING IN THE FUTURE” and it’s Korea

    “THESE GADGETS PROOF KOREA IS LIVING IN THE FUTURE” and it’s Japan

    I remember someone posting a train seat that could flipped to face the other direction as “Japan is living in the year 2050” and it was pretty much a mechanism that could have been invented in the 1800s.

    Or "Japan has been living in the year 2000 since 1980, and is still living in 2000 today."

    Every time I watch any of those fuckass videos it’s just some shitty candy that you stir until it turns into a nasty paste

    or some cheap piece of plastic that you could get in a science museum and get overcharged for it

    I thought that meme was about how they are living in the future with no detriment to their natural landscapes.

    Honestly I thought Japan was living in 1980. With gadgets.

    I've always heard it said as "Japan has been living in the year 2000 since 1980"

    the ones that i see are all in reference to gadgets. you’ll see a japanese person using some cheap gadget that anyone can get online and it’ll have that caption. don’t even know if they live in japan either, most of those videos are stolen content with ai captions on them lol

    The meme took root before you could buy most things online. So if something was on the market in Japan (a sweet minidisc player, for example) it might be very difficult and expensive to get it if you live in rural Oklahoma. Now, sure, it's all on Aliexpress, Amazon, etc. But I was stationed there 2001-2005 and there were tons of things on the shelf in Akihabara that you weren't going to see at a Dallas big box store.

    I also hate the Japan is overrated crowd

    A lot of it is just in gratuitously bad faith. Same with discussion of Europe by Americans. Someone can say "I wish we had single-payer healthcare and some mass transit, like I saw in Europe" and it comes back as "Europe is LitERaLlY UtOPiA and is pERfeCt!!" Which of course is not what anyone said.

    Yeah, cause Europeans don’t do the same when talking about America… I think the lesson here is everybody talks shit about everyone else.

  • Japanese people irl - hi how are you

    i think they would be a little more like こんにちは、元気ですか

    Herō, hawu arru yū? Ai amo hainu.

    “Hello everynya, how are you? Fine, thank you.” “OH MY GAH”

  • Me moving to japan but instead of anime dances and kawaii anime girls its a depressing parody of the future with one of the most toxic work environments on earth:

    They already partially into the Cyberpunk Dystopia, China and South Korea held the other pieces.

    Japan got the depressing society, China got the police state, and South Korea got corporate overlords.

    Pray that all three are not in the mood of forming an alliance and screw over their own people as much as possible.

    Don't worry, they hate eachother so much that there's no chance for any alliance, they're just going to develop each of these 3 on their own

    Thus begins the first corporate war, as prophesized by Tabletop game and it's Video game adaptation "Cyberpunk 2077"

    They have a bit to catch up, they should have Arasaka tower being blown up by 2023 but we're almost at 2026 and still nothing. C'mon Keanu Reeves won't be alive forever

    Maybe try Mitsubishi HQ building instead.

    They mutual hate for eachother is smh the only thing preventing this.

    Japan got the depressing society, China got the police state, and South Korea got corporate overlords.

    U.S.: We got all 3, get on our level n00bs

    And none of the upsides

    South Korea has a police state too

    Hmmm Japan also has its fair share of corporate overloads, don't forget zaibatsu and more recently keiretsu

    Why do zoomers trash talk about other places.

    Oops, you moved from one side of the starter pack to the other

  • I spent some time in Japan. I saw some of the most beautiful shit I'll ever see. I also saw some of the most fucked up shit I'll ever see.

    It's a complicated place for sure.

    country the size of the US Eastern Seaboard is complicated and multifaceted

    The US eastern seaboard is complicated and multifaceted itself

    region the size of Japan is complex and multifaceted

    an area of indeterminate size with a long recorded human history is noted to have experienced a number of events ranging from both good and bad but mostly everywhere in between.

    Are we sure japan is, in fact, the same size as japan?

    Japan is an island by the sea filled with volcanoes and its ✨✨BEAUTIFUL ✨✨

    What did you see that fast fuckud up? I know about a lot of social problems like work culture and high sexual harassment but I didn't really SEE anything that bad over there. But I was only over there for a couple weeks

    Went for a week, the most I'd say is that my mom and sisters dressed conservatively (in USA terms) but that wasn't enough apparently because we kept getting glances the entire day. Met a cop from LA around Roppongi Hills and he warned us about the nightlife in the area and around Japan in general which did open my eyes to some stuff I saw but just like you didn't see anything crazy

    I didn't experience that much of a nightlife except for this one point where we arrived at an Airbnb late at night but it clearly had bed bugs. We were trying to find an open hotel and some nice old lady pimps helped us out

    IMHO if you’re a tourist you’ll have a good time.

    I’m on my 2nd trip to Japan and am enjoying it immensely. Sibling is looking to move here and I cannot imagine why. I would never want to live here long term.

  • I once got downvoted in r\soda cause I dare say that Ramune didn't taste good.

    Some loser even claimed I got a "fake" Ramune cause I mentioned it had russian text attached. This is despite the fact that the Hata Kosen Ramune I had only exports from Japan.

    Weaboos are incredibly annoying and the Japan glaze has to fucking stop

    Definitely has to stop I love the culture but man I like to avoid some of the stuff because just the glaze is so annoying to watch

    Also i love the haru urara pfp

    Omg, finally someone agrees with me on ramune. It's just shitty lemonade, it doesn't even taste that good. And as cool as the glass ball gimmick is, it's also so fucking annoying

    This and the Turkish Delight glazing. “You got the wrong ones”. I’ve tried it 10x with different companies and it’s all terrible.

    Those Narnia books really oversold Turkish Delight.

    It's drinking cheap carbonated soda out of a glass Lixit.(Water bottle for cages)

    Nah bro, I think Japan glaze should continue actually

    I think liking something is a good thing

    Not all parts of Japan are good but there's no reason to say it shouldn't be liked anymore

    If they visited I’d guarantee they’d have a shitty time in account of having no idea of the culture outside of entertainment/media then Stockholm syndrome themselves into loving it

  • I like old Sony. That's all, I don't have anything more to say about japan

    Godzilla’s pretty cool

  • Steaming hot take: Japan, like every other country on this planet, has a rich culture with both good and bad aspects, and reducing it to “Japan good” or “Japan bad” would be doing a disservice to people who have lived there in the past and those who continue to live there.

    Imagine that! (Great starter pack OP!)

    100% accurate. I’ve been in Japan nearly ten years, and I avoid online discussions of the place because nobody can acknowledge this

    No you don’t understand. America bad, Japan good. This is the law of Reddit.

    For some reason buccees gets a pass

    Buc-cee’s is awesome though…

    Dude, just compare America to anything and it's always going to be bad.

    WhY cAnT wE hAvE TrAiNs EvErYwHeRe?!

    Meanwhile, people forget just how compact and mixed use most European cities actually are.

    I agree with the first part. But okay, Europe being compact isn’t actually a good argument against why the US doesn’t have good train infrastructure. It totally ignores the fact that we did in fact have good train and public transport infrastructure prior to the ww2 but dismantled those systems in favor of car infrastructure. It also completely ignores the fact that countries like China exist - it’s also massive, yet has excellent public and train infrastructure in major cities all over the country.

    The America big, Europe small argument is a pretty weak and frankly, lazy argument lacking the same nuance you’re proclaiming against when internet people say America bad in comparison to anything. It’s easy to argue in absolutes but the truth is almost always more complex. And contrary to what internet culture leads people to believe, we can actually have nuanced arguments about things.

    [deleted]

    The phrase “hot take” was sarcastic. I know most everyone here is aware of this.

  • Hey, I mention the atrocities in Southeast Asia! Did you know that Japan built a railroad there one time? It killed approximately as many people as the entire North African campaign.

    Edit: I'm sure I butchered the math in my head, but that should work out to about one death per 4 meters/13 feet of rail laid. They once crucified an Australian POW slave laborer for three days while beating him with sticks, who somehow survived.

    Japan involvedment in S.E.A is always downplay to encourage Japan investing in the area. Take the Ất Dậu famie. The worst fammie in Vietnamese history. Up to 2 million deaths. Half as deadly as the Vietnam war in under a year. My grandparents and many others suffer. But only treated as a footnote.

    If we're talking about atrocities is S.E.A. then what about the Bataan Death March? Thousands of Filipino and American troops forced to walk 100km and will get killed if they stopped or run away.

    Bataan death march, Burmese Death Railway, Manila Massacre, Sook Ching Massacre, Sandakan Death Marches, The fact the IJN had orders to all crews to execute all prisoners taken at sea. And plenty more genuinely horrific and even worse they have yet to apologise for most crimes

    weakest Australian

  • This feels accurate because most threads are less about Japan itself and more about people projecting their politics, guilt, fantasies, or grudges onto it. Japan just becomes a screen for whatever argument they already wanted to have.

    Truth. Nobody wants to treat it as an actually country for some reason but instead a blank slate for whatever they want to talk about. It's weird.

    about people projecting their politics, guilt, fantasies, or grudges onto it. Japan just becomes a screen for whatever argument they already wanted to have.

    I think that's the only way most of us can engage any other people at all. The Native Americans (or first nations) are never engaged on their own terms, but only as a foil for conquering, acquisitive, environmentally destructive American culture. As such they have to have all been peaceful, enlightened, egalitarian, wise stewards of the environment. We just took the "they're savages" caricature and reversed the polarity, but the degree of caricature is about the same.

  • Once, I asked my class of Japanese kids why their 5 yen coin had a hole in it.

    They had no idea that China had brought the concept of currency to their little island.

    This was in response to hearing them utter racist comments about Chinese people.

    I love Japan and lived there for six years. It's really a paradox of future facing people stuck in the past.

    They know their alphabet (kanji) comes from Chinese so i dont think they're in full denial about China contributions.

    Just once I’d like an anime to portray shit like this lol

    You'll never see it because if an anime studio does that all of Japan will boycott it and force it to go out of business.

    they got chopsticks, and a plethora of other stuff from china

  • you forgot about the xenophobia.

  • ive heard japan is like the uk but with good public transport and shit soooo idk

    I think Japan and the UK are quite alike in a lot of ways. Drive on the left, think we're different from the continent, drink tea, have a monarch etc.

    Also just that the socially acceptable norm is to be a bit sort of quiet/polite - atleast for areas around the capital.

    Japan also has more Japanese people in it

  • to me its just a country

    I live in Japan, and you’re not wrong

  • Judging by the comments on this starter pack, seems like the left side is more common than right.

    It's been for years on this site.

    They will never admit that Japan is a normal country.

  • Right side are all weebs from midwest US

    Also a big problem here.

    I mean have you seen Midwest "culture", the people yearn for anything to latch onto that isn't whatever that is.

    It's also why we got Eminem.

    Why just Midwest? I thought most weebs are from California.

    Not just the Midwest

  • Work culture isn't mentioned in the I hate Japan side unrealistic

  • I’m Jamaican-Niuean, also Mongolian. The glaze I see from Jamaican and Niueans with Japan is crazy compared to Mongolians. I’m not saying every Jamaican/Niuean glazes Japan, but usually when I come around the two groups I mainly hear “oh well japan is nice!” “i want a boyfriend from there!”. Meanwhile when I communicate with my mongolian side of the family it’s just straight up hate against Japan. The cultural and continental differences amaze me

  • OP has a Biyoo pfp so ik they’re chill

    But yeah i feel like both side have never visited Japan, not to say countries outside their own. Travel, meet new people. Be a little less closed-minded.

  • The crossborder one piece is the best thing I’ve seen all day

  • I hate the “Japan is living in 2050” thing because half the time it’s just excess packaging and plastic and gadgets let’s talk about something different.

    Or it's just in a vending machine for some reason

  • these kind of echo chambers are just the logical outcome of modern algorithms recommending stuff.

  • I’ll just take some old Japanese cars, that’s all, thanks

  • I’ll be on the left until they actually apologise and admit how fucked up they were in WW2.

    They both were arguably more evil than the Nazis, were let off with most of it with a slap on the wrist or less and some people were actively rewarded and allowed to just… reintegrate into normal society.

    One of the heads of Unit 731, was allowed to just go back to work on the Japanese public health board, they then worked for a blood transfusion organisation and were caught sending infected blood to the USA. The same scientist had spent most of their time in Unit 731 studying… infected blood.

    Anyone on the right side, try listening to the Unit 731 episodes of the Chilluminati Podcast, and then see if you can stomach the sanitisation of such an evil country.

    Who is the "they" you want to make an apology? The entire nation of Japan and all its citizens? Do you think any nation's government would suddenly admit to, and apologize for, its heinous war crimes of the past? It's never going to happen. You're demonizing an entire country for an evil thing that a small percentage of people in power did decades ago. But at least you get to feel morally righteous, so go off I guess.

    edit: I took this out but I'll put it back in because it bears repeating: what you're doing is weird righteous loser behavior.

    I’m sure the women that were brutally raped and watched their children be raped, then butchered, then their bodies raped that are still alive fully agree with your sentiment that it’s “weird righteous loser behaviour”.

    I’m sure the men who were drafted into building laboratory fortresses where they saw pregnant women be infected with smallpox, cut open without anaesthetic and then the still attached babies being killed, dissected or infected with smallpox and stitched back in also think it’s “weird righteous behaviour”.

    That anime girl ain’t gonna sleep with you bro, you can say Japan spent 50+ years doing evil shit to Koreans and Chinese people and has done nothing but “nuh uh never happened man” about it.

    edit: LMAO replying then deleting, why don't you hug your loli body pillow extra tight tonight :)

  • Been to Japan, was impressed. Been to China, wasn’t impressed.

    I guess that settles the argument then, once and for all.

    same, but China is a big place too with many different places

    I felt the same after visiting Japan and then Taiwan.

    Taiwan is just ok.

    I actually liked Taiwan a lot. It felt like going to Japan in 1970 before all the tourists got there. People would literally stop me in the street and ask me why I was there, especially outside of Taipei.

    Happened to me in Taipei haha

  • Japan seems like a great place to visit but an awful place to live in, namely because of the work culture

  • You missed the obvious "everyone there is a pedophile!!!" sentiment based entirely on anime and games designed to pander to otaku losers who are not the majority

  • You reminded me of the fact that they starved a million people in Vietnam as an experiment…….

    It wasn't a experiment. But Japan extract food resources out of Vietnam at all cost. Even excutioning all the peasants who rebell. Not the worst attorcites but still shitty.

    I’m misinformed then. What I read a lifetime ago was that they burned the crop in Vietnam to study the effects of starvation on a large group of people. It’s definitely not the worst thing they did but it still is so evil that it blows my mind.

    Interest I never heard about it. Though information online is severely lacking.

    That’s very true. I wish I could point you to the place I read it but I truly cannot remember.

  • Ironic part is that the lack of mention for Imperial Japanese war crimes in SEA by Koreans and Chinese "patriots" online is also due to racism because of how they perceived SEA to be poorer and dark-skinned.

    Because in both China and Korea they definitely do teach about Imperial Japanese war crimes in SEA, they just don't bring it up because they don't even see them as fellow equals who also been oppressed 

  • I hate Japan

  • Like most countries, it has it's great and awful qualities.

    Great qualities? Highly advanced technology like Shinkansen, great police force, great healthcare, good public transportation, etc.

    Awful qualities? Didn't outlaw possession of CP until 2014, high molestation rates (especially of teenagers, btw), horrible justice system, extremely demanding work schedules, etc.

    "great police force" oh my god dude

    They actually do. Low corruption rates, highly trusted by the public, and Koban scattered throughout the nation result in low crime rates overall. Do they have a perfect police force? Fuck no. But it is better than a lot of other countries.

    Maybe for men, but Japanese police dgaf about crimes against women

    But for Japan it's on the extreme side. We currently experience recorded breaking growth Anime overseas and rapidly deteriorated of Sino/Korean-Japanese Relations. Talk about night and day.

    I know. I'm just saying that most countries have their bad and good qualities. Do I wanna take a trip to Japan some day? Absolutely. Would I wanna live there? Ehhhh...

    I agree with Sino, but I think it's still too early to tell the direction of korea-japan relations. I think the island thing was a big setback, but before then I think there were positive signs of improvement (e.g. Takaichi making up an excuse to avoid the Yasukuni shrine)

  • I'm kinda in the middle

    I understand how terrible the crimes Japan did during the World Wars were, and I think they should AT LEAST apologize and give China reparations for that, but I don't outright hate Japan

    They paid by ODA instead of it.

  • Idk what these comments are onto, every time there's a post about the most innocuous japanese thing like someone posting some japanese candy making or cat cafe 3/4 of the comments start bringing up unit 731 and work culture for no reason, like Reddit cannot see anything positive about japan without shittong on it to own the weebs.

  • Japan in Online Discussing

    Ugh… stay in school, kids. 

    Not everyone on reddit is a native English speaker

    And? I’m not a native German speaker but if I posted in a German-language subreddit, I’d make sure I don’t sound like a goofball doing it. 

    Wah bah, you understood what they were trying to say

  • im confused abt 90% of this

    You clearly haven’t been seeing Japan discussions on the Internet

    Well, guess its my time to get downvoted for being the clueless one

  • "I'm learning Japanese" (only learns a couple of phrases from anime)

    "I'm going to Japan to get me a cute waifu" (Japan dislikes foreigners, and will never really accept outsiders

    Videos of sexpats are mostly hired hookers/girlsfriends)

  • The wild part is how fast people jump from history debates straight to anime avatars or vice versa. Online discussions love extremes way more than reality does.

  • I think it's hilarious that Japan has skirted around negative press for basically forever. I also love Japan though, so...

  • Never mention acrocities in S.E.A? But the Southeast Asians I've seen on Reddit seem to take pride in not caring about the things Japan did in the past. They even mocked Chinese and Koreans for being obsessed with the past. 🤔

  • capitalism moment

  • Weird, I am pretty much both

  • “Japan is so quirky, even their war crimes are quirky”

    -Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation/Fully Ramblomatic

  • All true, both bad and good... true

  • Jokes aside what went down in ww2 imperial japan was horrific

  • Yeah, I live in Japan, and the internet just cannot be normal about this country. Neither side seems to know or particularly care what it’s actually like here.

  • I might seethe internally about how some people might defend the Japanese Empire (I am Greek, mind you - my country was not affected by Japan at all during WW2), and other times I might positively remember playing with my Nintendo 3DS and Wii, or how I used to watch Pokémon.

    So I guess I gravitate between both some times.

  • I hate the Japanese because they made anime and now I want to have sex with a drawing

  • This is a fantastic starter pack tho frfr. Bravo!

  • One thing the Chinese thinks the American is absolutely based is that they dropped them nukes on Japan

  • As with any country on the planet, there are both good and bad to Japan. Just that Japan’s good is really good, and Japan’s bad is REALLY bad

  • I'm from he Philippines and i'm kinda mad the S.E.A atrocities aren't mentioned, I had an ancestor who went through a lot to not get r*ped by the Japanese (passed down family story)

  • The internet has never been a place for subtlety

  • Japan is literally living on 2025 tho

  • I hate the Japan glazers but also hate the Japan haters. Both groups are incredibly annoying and have no idea what’s it’s like to actually live and assimilate here.

  • r/Japan mods banning somebody as soon as somebody even mentions a single word to criticise Japane for the war crime and the denial never gets old

    Actually, No. You are wrong. That sub loves anti Japan topics, such as "Look at this shitty situation in Japan" or, "Japanese are racist, I hate they all"

    Why keep bringing it up? Japan is one of the most pacifist nation its like people actually want to return to world war 2, its like hating on the mongols because your ancestors where fucked up by the khan’s , bringing the events 80 years ago to the present like tf

  • Realism vs glazing

  • Some other examples of "Thing vs Thing, Japan" you'll see online:

    • Minimalism, especially in architecture and interior design.
    • Cute/Inoffensive Commercial Art (Kawaii vs. Algeria).
    • Smart Tech/Gadgets.
  • I'll say first hand. I wish to move to Japan. Yes I understand no country is perfect and Japan has many problems alongside their positives but my whole life I enjoyed Japanese culture (not just anime, by culture I actually mean culture)

    But I am scared to follow my dream because I am afraid that I am a weeb (I am not) and that I may not like it.

    Its like that confused spongebob meme. I know I am not a cringe weeb and that unlike them I actually respect the place and wish to learn the language beyond the "omae wa shindeiru" cringe slogans but I am worried that there is a slight chance I am wrong.

    EDIT: My PFP is only on reddit. Irl I do have a figurine collection but I am not going outside yelling Naruto phrases with body pillows strapped to my backpack.

    And thus you are a weeb in denial

    Every little helps

     I do have a figurine collection

    Well, you're going to have a harder time now moving to Japan as a foreigner if it wasn't hard already because the requirements are more stringent.

    This. 100 percent this