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Some good critiques in here, but for the internationalist working group, there's very little internationalism. The reality is that the most effective way for us to get revolution at home (IMO) is to do things that get American paws off of revolutionary efforts abroad. This will allow other countries' proletariat to succeed much more frequently and be given development assistance by China. Eventually the power of a good example and the natural superiority of socialism as an economic system will force revolution at the last in even the USA.
Yeah, I've known — and been in — internationalist groups over the years, but I haven't seen them collaborate with more locally-focused (American) groups to amplify their impact here. So... like what's the point?
As you said, the biggest impact American socialists can have is by undermining American empire from the core.
neither will electoralism, which only places the hopes of the working class in reforms. the election of mamdani didn’t radicalize millions of people to become socialist, it restored the faith of millions in the capitalist system and bourgeois elections
FWIW, I'm in the NYC DSA, and, like many in DSA, I'm actually a revolutionary socialist. I see electoralism as a tool to galvanize revolutionary potential, not as an end-all-be-all path to socialism.
NYC DSA has doubled its membership to 13,000 in just the past year because of Mamdani's campaign. ~ 7,000 more people in NYC — let alone across the country — identify as socialists because Mamdani ran for political office.
Mamdani's job was to have optics palatable enough for progressive liberals to vote for him and to not draw too much attention from conservatives. He succeeded. And now as mayor he can implement programs that demonstrate the merit of socialist values — socialized grocery stores, socialized childcare, socialized healthcare, etc. These aren't a nationwide overthrow of the bourgeoisie, but they counter the neoliberal narrative of free market efficiency. A nation brainwashed by McCarthyism will further warm up to the idea of "socialism" and publicly-run amenities.
To address the headline: Mamdani isn't socdem reformism meant to uphold capitalism. It's a beachhead in the fight to make socialism mainstream in the imperial core. And when people join these struggles for socialized programs, they join a Marxist community that further radicalizes them via informal conversations, via reading groups, etc.
what use is it to double your membership when that membership is composed of radlibs. i don’t imagine the dsa being able to actually engage all the people in a proper socialist education through these sorts of mass membership campaigns
The free market core mythology, to which both parties in this country and just about all mainstream political commentators are wedded, argues in effect that the most ruthless, selfish, opportunistic, greedy, calculating plunderers, applying the most heartless measures in cold-blooded pursuit of corporate interests and wealth accumulation, will produce the best results for all of us, through something called the invisible hand.
Michael Parenti. Democracy and the Pathology of Wealth (Lecture). 2012.
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yes, this has been true for 100 years since our last gains were the 8 hour work day and the weekend.
Some good critiques in here, but for the internationalist working group, there's very little internationalism. The reality is that the most effective way for us to get revolution at home (IMO) is to do things that get American paws off of revolutionary efforts abroad. This will allow other countries' proletariat to succeed much more frequently and be given development assistance by China. Eventually the power of a good example and the natural superiority of socialism as an economic system will force revolution at the last in even the USA.
Yeah, I've known — and been in — internationalist groups over the years, but I haven't seen them collaborate with more locally-focused (American) groups to amplify their impact here. So... like what's the point?
As you said, the biggest impact American socialists can have is by undermining American empire from the core.
REMINDER TO GET OUT THERE. THE ARM CHAIR WONT SAVE YOU.
neither will electoralism, which only places the hopes of the working class in reforms. the election of mamdani didn’t radicalize millions of people to become socialist, it restored the faith of millions in the capitalist system and bourgeois elections
FWIW, I'm in the NYC DSA, and, like many in DSA, I'm actually a revolutionary socialist. I see electoralism as a tool to galvanize revolutionary potential, not as an end-all-be-all path to socialism.
NYC DSA has doubled its membership to 13,000 in just the past year because of Mamdani's campaign. ~ 7,000 more people in NYC — let alone across the country — identify as socialists because Mamdani ran for political office.
Mamdani's job was to have optics palatable enough for progressive liberals to vote for him and to not draw too much attention from conservatives. He succeeded. And now as mayor he can implement programs that demonstrate the merit of socialist values — socialized grocery stores, socialized childcare, socialized healthcare, etc. These aren't a nationwide overthrow of the bourgeoisie, but they counter the neoliberal narrative of free market efficiency. A nation brainwashed by McCarthyism will further warm up to the idea of "socialism" and publicly-run amenities.
To address the headline: Mamdani isn't socdem reformism meant to uphold capitalism. It's a beachhead in the fight to make socialism mainstream in the imperial core. And when people join these struggles for socialized programs, they join a Marxist community that further radicalizes them via informal conversations, via reading groups, etc.
what use is it to double your membership when that membership is composed of radlibs. i don’t imagine the dsa being able to actually engage all the people in a proper socialist education through these sorts of mass membership campaigns
Michael Parenti. Democracy and the Pathology of Wealth (Lecture). 2012.
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