Doing like my 18th play through of the game, I turned subtitles in for once to see if it made it better and when I was fighting the dragon at the watchtower (mirmulnir) you see it say “dovhakiin! No!!” As you kill it…I was wondering if this means it was trying to communicate or something
As he dies he realizes you're going to absorb his soul (because you're Dragonborn), and he won't be able to be brought back again.
It's his sudden realization, and horror about what's happening to him.
There's an even more horrific aspect to this.
When you finish the main quest, there's a book called Atlas of Dragons that gets added to Skyhaven Temple. It documents the status of all dragons encountered by the Akaviri Dragonguard. It includes several familiar names like Odaahving, Sahloknir and the named dragons you can see Alduin resurrect at burial mounds.
Mirmulnir, however, is listed under "Known to Live" along with Paarthurnax. This means that he might have managed to escape death for thousands of years and felt safe for a few hundred years because there were no Dragonborns... And then he was the very first soul to be claimed by the return of the Dragonborn.
You’re completely right here! I’ve always had the theory that he came to Whiterun after being alerted somehow to Alduins return at Helgen. He flies in from the West (the opposite direction of where Alduin flies after sacking Helgen). Given that Alduin also begins resurrecting dragons in the southeast of Kynesgrove, we can pretty conclusively say that Mulmunir was hiding in the mountains between High Rock and Skyrim for millennia.
He flies in from the South, but that's after he already made multiple passes over the Watchtower itself.
Fair point about multiple passes, but I thought he flew over the mountain from the direction of Bleak Falls Barrow
He does, that’s just south of the western watch tower
God I love this sub.
Yeah, all the dragons talk iirc, but he's maybe not saying what you think. I believe the line is "Dovahkiin? No!!". He recognizes what you are and is surprised and upset by this fact.
Wouldn't you use some variation of "Oh no" if you knew someone was about to eat your soul?
The subtitle exists but there’s no spoken dialogue. If you have the unofficial patch installed it adds spoken dialogue. Probably means Mirmulnir just realized he’s in the presence of the Dragonborn.
Not for English, but there is for other languages.
And it sounds like a teenager doing a terrible old man impression in the Unofficial Patch.
I thought they just used the French files or something
They do now afaik, but they initially had someone from their own team voice it, which resulted in it sounding incredibly out of place.
At some point when I started getting in to modding way back when, I noticed that strange line and was like "huh, that's weird. I must have missed that before or something..."
Wasn't until very recently in that unofficial Skyrim patch/down the rabbit hole YT video where I finally learned why I felt like that one piece of dialogue felt so out of place
Everyone should take an hour and a half to watch that video.
Oh gods like that argonian at the gate in riften?
"All I waaaant is a pair of booots"
I always played with mods and I didn’t know there was a missing voice line until the video about the mod’s controversy, lol
I thought it was literally voiced by Arthmoor
Rosie
Delphine moves to leave Farengar's study only after Irileth storms in saying a dragon is attacking. Why does one of the leaders of an order of dragonslayers walk away from the most important event in her life?
She knows that dragon is going to attack because the Blades sent it to attack. The Blades brought the dragons back and they have dragons working for them - most notably Odahviing. Who has the most to gain from the dragons returning than an order of dragonslayers?
The dragons are a manufactured threat because the Blades face an existential threat from the Thalmor. What better way to save yourself from an existential threat than to bring about a greater existential threat for which an order of dragonslayers is the solution?
26+ years is an awful long time to wait to unleash your "manufactured threat", plus she genuinely has absolutely no frickin' clue who Alduin is - rather pathetic for a member of a group of supposed dragonslayers...
They don't just "unleash" a threat. They are going by the prophecy of the last Dragonborn. What they have been doing before you wake up on that cart is committed genocide killing all the people with the dragon blood. When Felldir the Old banishes Alduin he says, "From all our endings unto the last, we banish you!" It is Lokir of Rorikstead's "ending" that is the last before we hear Alduin for the first time.
That's why Lokir's name was on the list - it is a list of people suspected of having the dragonblood. When you take the Dragonstone to Farengar Delphine is leaning over the book Holdings of Jarl Gjalund. You don't hear what Delphine says to Farengar but you hear Farengar's reply which is, "You see, it's a different terminology..." The only entry in Holdings of Jarl Gjalund with a different terminology in 4E 201 is Rorikstead is a different terminology of Rorik's Steading. Why would they be talking about Rorikstead? Because that's where Lokir was from. How does Delphine even know about Lokir? She found out through Hadvar or Ralof. That's why they leave their posts and go to Riverwood, and that's why they say, "I think it's best if we split up."
You would be an excellent conspiracy theorist with how confidently wrong you are
You know what, this is a crazy ass take that is super out there but I kind of like your style. You’re wrong, but very interesting. This is some Skyrim Info Wars conspiracy bullshit that’s on another level.
Do you honestly believe you can win any argument just by saying "conspiracy theorist?" You haven't got an argument.
That's a stretch. Your character, as the last Dragonborn, goes into Sovengarde and meets the three heroes who made Alduin arrive in your era of time. They weren't DB, couldn't absorb his soul and used an Elder Scroll to send him forward in time. Akatosh saw this coming, gave up a chunk of his soul to spawn your player character at whatever moment will land them in the cart when you wake up. I say it that way because you can make your DB whatever age you want, so you'd need to be born at different times depending so that you cross the border, meet the ambush and get sent to the block.
The Blades are fearful of the Thalmor because the Thalmor kicked The Great War off by killing every Blade in Aldmeri territory and dumping their heads into Cyrodiil demanding surrender of The Empire. They didnt know Alduin by name as the dragon who was resurrecting them, hence the DB having to name drop Alduin after you drop Dragon number two at Kynesgrove. Delphine leaves Farengar to go copy the Dragonstone if you go to Whiterun first, but never shows up if you have it before you cross the gate.
None of that is in the game. I am reminding you of what is in the game. You can witness for yourself Delphine walking off when she hears a dragon is attacking Whiterun.
It's pretty ironic that I'm reading this comment while I'm actively standing in front of Alduin's Wall on my current playthrough while Esbern is explaining about Dragonrend before we know it's called that. We must've played different games.
Sir, this is not r/truestl
Ah yes. The like. Two blades who didn't even know the other was alive until you see them reunited.
It's explained in the story. I feel like you could also be fucking with us
When you meet Esbern in the Ratway and you say to him, "What's so important about me being Dragonborn?" He says, "Not now, when we get to Riverwood... and Delphine." You haven't told him she's in Riverwood - you don't even mention it. I've been through it a few times and you don't even mention Riverwood. I'm not telling you that Delphine and Esbern have been in communication the whole time - they are telling you.
When you do get to Riverwood and Delphine and Esbern meet up one says, "How long has it been?" and the other replies, "Too long." Well how long is too long? It could be literally any length of time. It could be a week. And as for the pass phrase - underground organisations change them regularly. They're not going to have the same pass phrase for years in case an agent gets caught and has the pass phrase tortured out of them. Speaking of which, Delphine has sent you to the Thalmor embassy because she knows Etienne Rarnis has been captured and she wants to know if he has divulged where Esbern is.
this has to be one of the craziest takes i've seen in years
You're wrong, but you're also funny, so have an Upvote.
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The subtitle was put there by Bethesda. The cringy voice line is only in old versions of the unofficial patch. New versions have a voice line that actually sounds good.
I play on Switch with zero mods including the unofficial patch. I play in English, with subtitles also in English.
That line is in the subtitles and I also I can hear him say it. On my first play through I thought he felt betrayed, but subsequently I interpreted it as more of an, oh shit the Dragonborn is back, kind of intent.
But regardless of what he meant by it, unless it got added for the anniversary edition, he doesn’t get that line from a mod, it is part of the game.
Loud and wrong
He doesn’t actually say it he says it in dovah