Hi, I am 20f I was born in San Diego and moved when I was 3. I know very little information about the city and only know information from my family who had grown up there.

Anyways, when I got into a conversation with my parents who told me about something I've never heard of before. My mom made a joke that my Dad was is a cult and I questioned it. They got more serious and told me that when my father met my mom in 1999-2000 he was apart of a church called International church of San diego. At the rec center at a park in lakeside. They apparently used the building every Sunday and thursday each week.

My Dad had gone there with his mother for a bit. He eventually was gonna live with two other members until they started punishing him and being aggressive when he missed church. So he contacted my mom and her family (mind you they had just met) in which he begged them to help him "escape". My mother waited outside the apartment building as they snuck him out. We eventually left the state in 2009.

My father always exaggerates things for shock factor. He shared the same stories all the time. The only reason this one story caught me off guard was my mother spoke about it first and when I talked to my Dad about it he acted like he didn't want to speak about it. Except telling me the location and that he didn't trust anyone from there.

(I had to write all this in Google Docs cause I can't read the reddit font. I also can't read the rules. So if this goes against it. I am sorry plz let me know and I'll take it down.)

Edit: After reading a reply my father told me that he remembers the issues with only dating members of the church. And that he encouraged my mother to never join.

  • Yes!! My ex’s mom was part of this church, it was where she met my ex’s father. Some of the things she told me were very uncomfortable and 100% is considered by us to be a cult. Women cannot wear pants, skirts must cover the ankles, cutting your hair (as a woman) is not allowed. Dates were chosen by the church and each date was meticulously planned, with a chaperone who would join along to ensure things stayed appropriate. I should ask her to remind me about her stories… I remember it being really hard for her to get away. When I moved to Lakeside, she took me to that exact community center and told me all about it.

    People in SD just love the lore of 12 tribes and the Yellow Deli. Now, I am not saying they aren't a bit on the strange side nor would I say they dont make some damn good food LOL But I sort of get a little annoyed when its so directed towards them and all the accusations. When I have gone to the delis myself, I will actually read some of their literature. I'm not religious myself but I cant say I havent thought about doing one of the weekends with them just to see myself. There are all kinds of accusations of child labor and misogyny and so on and so forth but Id rather see things myself than these Youtube videos of scummy grifters "infiltrating" the restaurant. Again, I dont know what happens behind the scenes but there is something about (1) their craftsmanship and (2) color me ugly but the idea of the more simple living of trades rather than a capitalistic money hungry society (and yes I am sure there are people making a ton of money in their society - know you are suppose to surrender all your possessions and all that) but on the basic level its an interesting idea, not unlike the draw to Pluribus show concepts.

    Anyhow, I digress. I think my main point is that there are likely way more numerous religious groups doing nefarious things in SD and other areas than people realize. They likely come and go, draw people in and also diminish. I have a friend who lived with a family who's son disappeared and its well known he was recruited by a religious (group/cult) in Escondido. Which one was it? Guess we'll never know.

    But this isn't just about the delis. It's about the societal behaviors they have,the suppression, and the lack of freedom to separate. It's also not people who just saw some video or heard some folk tale. There are real people here telling real stories or that heard first hand from a member of the cult.

    The Twelve Tribes are deeply abusive to their members. They choose to hurt vulnerable people within their community instead of protecting and caring for them. Yes they do make good food, and I've heard the Klan makes good BBQ. A friendly facade and good food doesn't mean they aren't hurting people behind closed doors.

    This isn't some silly conspiracy theory about blood magic and youth serums - this is a valid concern about a dangerous group that is based on credible reports of their behavior and practices from survivors. This is real.

    In my experience there, the women servers look dead inside and avoid eye contact like they shouldn't be talking to you. That's weird and off-putting and I'm gonna assume it's a cult and I would be concerned if anyone in my life started getting involved with them.

    Women and men look dead inside! it really felt like being served by zombies the 1 and only time we went to the yellow deli

    You sound like their next member, my guy.

    Found the cult apologist.

    You’ve clearly never been raised in a cult. 10/10 do not recommend.

  • The International Church of Christ was pretty culty. They’re distinct from other places with church of Christ in the name, but always name themselves City Church of Christ. They were expanding rapidly while your dad was a member.

    I know about them because I had a roommate who joined them in 1995 and tried to recruit me. I remember her yelling and crying at her dad on the phone about how she would have to cut ties with him if he wouldn’t join.

    I think they may have become less extreme since the early 2000s. You can google international church of Christ or Kip McKean, their charismatic leader during the period your dad and my roommate were members.

    Leaders of this cult MOVED IN to our dorm when I was in college! We thought he was just a college student, but he was placed to recruit students. They were super creepy and would listen and watch every move of anyone they tried to recruit.

  • I thought it was going to be the “Unairians” in El Cajon when I first read it. Arielle was an interesting character.

    Uriel. Thats not a cult though, they dont try to recruit or keep people in their 'science academy'. They do have wacky beliefs, and think their leader with the excellent outfits and beehive hairdo was an intergalactic conqueror, but they are benign. They even pay taxes because they dont consider it a religion. I like the 60's sci-fi vibes of their video series's. The theosophical society in city heights and the Lemurian fellowship in Ramona also have some unusual beliefs that could be seen as culty but are completely benign. The lemurian fellowship has a beautiful property that I wish was easier to visit, but they try to make sure members or initiates or whatever are more serious and not just trying to make fun of them before getting to visit

    I have always wondered what the lemurian fellowship was. Thank you.

    The unairians were always friendly and welcoming. I found them very interesting.

    I've visited the unarian academy a couple times. Its fun and the building is cool. Recommended if you can be nice and not judgemental to their faces about their unusual beliefs.

    The lemurian fellowship moved to Ramona in the 60's or 70's, and they're kinda hush-hush about what they are since they dont want to be made fun of as 'that Atlantis cult'. Their founder(s) were visited by visions of the leaders of an ancient advanced technological society that sunk into the ocean. Basically trying to stop humanity from falling into the same patterns of over-industrialization they were victim to. Their civilization was called 'MU', where they get le mu rian, it is DEFINITELY not Atlantis, OK it has nothing to do with Atlantis.

    I adored their show on public access for many years.

    They kind of were a cult, or, at least, in the neighborhood of a cult... but then their leaders died.

    The surviving members are generally pretty sweet and cool, even if they have some beliefs that are really strange. I actually really admire how they put themselves out there, and their creative spirit.

    I watched their shows as well. Every year they had a parade.

    Yeah, I'm atheist, but I have an encyclopedic knowledge of Unarius.

    When I was younger, my roommate and I used to get stoned on Friday after work and watch their show on public access.

    You're kinda really contradicting yourself here.

    Having beliefs ("wacky" or not) all qualify as a cult.

    What makes them all religions is ... time being as a organization.

    Given enough time, any cult will become a accepted religion ...
    or at least one tolerated here in the states.

    I'm not contradicting myself. Everyone has beliefs, religious or otherwise, that does not make everything and everyone a religious cult. To them they are closer to a school of thought where you can come and go as you please while taking their classes. No one lives there, its not a compound. They consider their 'scientific discoveries' to be that, not religion. Dude it's a hippy ufo society who believe their founder is an intergalactic conquering angel who happened to manifest as a otherwise regular-seeming middle-aged white woman. There might be a couple small logical inconsistencies

    Well, let's break it down a bit in context.

    A belief is a notion that is not based in facts or reasoning.

    _________________

     Dude it's a hippy ufo society who believe their founder is an intergalactic conquering angel who happened to manifest as a otherwise regular seeming middle aged white woman. There might be a couple small logical inconsistencies

    Yeah I liked late night TV surfing back in the day and catching some of the Unarian's videos. The Lemurian Fellowship stuff is tame and pretty lame by comparison. IF I'm going to drink it's not going to be the kool aid its not going to be a Shirley Temple, I'm going full on TikiBar TV (the women are way hotter).

    All of this stuff is what helps male out part of what makes our little bit of the world (or galaxy if you listen to those Unarians enough) "real special".

    Just like Georgia had the Nuwaubians who's leader was posing as some egyptian pharaoh ... you guessed it.. into sexual dominion over women and young girls and is currently serving time, the people in Utah have the Mormons (we have a lot here too)

    Just another alien come to earth in the form of another person to save us (and their followers wives and daughters)

    Whatever was happening in lakeside, I have a very dim view of these groups and their nutty leaders that are no different than other con men from the more officially recognized churches and their new generation of Prosperity Gospel Preachers like Morris Cerullo  who built a multi million dollar "Legacy Center" right before he died. You know that big compound in hotel circle that they've been trying to get rid of. complete with a restaurant named after his mother and her "famous meatballs"

    Oh, we've got plenty of cults here in town.

    They used to have shows on public access cable back in the day. Are they still around?

    Not sure. They may be on YouTube somewhere.

    I wish I knew where the Cadillac with the spaceship on top was. I kind miss their crazy.

    Wasn’t that Captain Sticky? My mom threw a party in Tierrasanta and he showed up. We all ran out to look at his car. Memory is vague but I think it has a model of the starship enterprise in the roof.

    Pretty sure I used to see that thing cruising down Newport in OB!

  • Hey OP! My parents were involved in this church when I(34F) was really young. I’m pretty sure it was while I was a baby up until 7 or 8 years old. My brother doesn’t remember much as he was younger than me. They wouldn’t just use the rec center in Lakeside, but also the rec center in La Mesa and the San Diego convention center as well. My parents got pretty high up there in status and were even considered leaders in the community. My dad hated being in it. The church would charge you “interest” on your donation to the church. He said they used extremely abusive manipulation tactics to get people to join to the point that people would cut off their families and loved ones. Also the men and women weren’t allowed to sit together in the congregation, and kids had to be in Sunday school away from their parents. After realizing that all of this wasn’t normal, my parents decided to leave. It took them a while to get all of their friends out, but they did it successfully! This resulted in my dad and myself no longer being religious. My mom and my brother still are, but with a church of their choosing. Sadly because of this I have residual religious trauma associated with Christianity, but I don’t remember all of it because I think I blocked it out to protect myself. My dad did mention that there was a claim that one of the members assaulted me in Sunday school when I was about 3 or 4 years old, but I have zero recollection of any of that. My parents are divorced now, but when I ask my mom she doesn’t like to bring it up at all for fear of triggering me to remember. What I think is even more wild, is that most of my mom’s closest/longest known friends are people we used to go to church with. My mom thinks it’s because they’re trauma bonded together. I think it’s pretty rad that they saw through the bullshit and worked hard to save and prevent others from staying. I’m very sure that their leaving was the catalyst for others to take action and leave themselves. After all of that Christianity and institutionalized religion didn’t feel right to me. By the time I was 18 and my parents were divorcing, I was done with it for good and felt so much better being away from all of that.

  • Thanks for the question OP, I've been living in SD for 25+ years and didn't know any of this

  • In 1999 and 2000, the San Diego Church of Christ was widely characterized as a cult due to its discipling hierarchy that exerted totalitarian control over the private lives of its members. The group likely utilized the Lakeside Community Center for their meetings because the organization strategically refused to purchase permanent church buildings. They preferred to rent inexpensive public recreation centers to maximize the financial flow back to central leadership and maintain strict control over scattered sectors of the city. This financial strategy accompanied a theology claiming they were the only true Christians, meaning anyone outside their specific movement was condemned. Once recruited, members faced an environment of high pressure conformity where a personal discipler demanded full obedience regarding daily decisions, such as whom to date and how to spend money. This often led to psychological manipulation and isolation from family.

    Your writing is very bold.

    OP said "I had to write all this in Google Docs cause I can't read the reddit font. I also can't read the rules." just figured they may be visually impaired.

    Likely because it is pasted from chatgpt lol

    It only.bolds key words

    it is coming up as roughly an 80-100% chance of AI text on multiple different ai text detection websites. this combined with the fact that it's bold, and the commentor has posted text from gemini before what is leading me to believe that it is.

    I've worked with generative AI to the point of training my own models. Every AI detection tool that I tested againt the various models that I had access to was wrong a significant amount of time. Not only did they produce false negatives, but they also produced false positives. So, like output from generative AI, take them with a huge grain of salt. The poster used AI, and there are tells which a human can spot, but my experience with them left me questioning their usefulness at those failure rates.

    The main reason I brought it up is that redditors are stupid and will believe blatantly obvious AI text, and then downvote you for calling it out lol.

    Yes, I may use AI to find syntax errors or if a search engine would be less productive to find resources when I am stuck on research (like I did earlier today on a lengthy help session in another sub), but I assure you I am a real actual human being that indeed simply increased the text size in the Reddit reply box with that little tT icon. If I wanted to go all out, I would have used markup. OP seemed likely they could be potentially vision impaired according to their post — easier to read and shorter summary. Theres a little emdash there for ya since humans dont use them ;)

    oh fair enough on the text sizing, thats actually very sweet. it still doesnt change the fact that the entirety of the comment is AI generated lol

    well, sort of. I did ask an LLM to take what I found with "old school" searching and summarize it into a smaller more condensed paragraph because I wasnt going to spend 2 hours doing that myself when it will do it in 1 second so there is that reasonable approach. There is actually quite a bit on this topic if you look it up. I wasnt exactly trying to pass Ai art as my own in this situation. And Id like to think my 10 years on Reddit and no Karma farming gives me a little human credit.

    So, you’re saying there are actual uses for AI. God forbid you save some time. Good move on the font, BTW.

  • There’s many cult type churches and other organized groups. Steer clear of the big production type places and the charismatic folks. Money is their priority.

  • Isn't Lakeside itself a cult, now?

    I actually meant someone from lakeside who had a hat that said “Lakeside isn’t a town, it’s a Lifestyle”

    And not hating on East County, I grew up there, but I do think there’s something very distinct about Lakeside culture 🤣

  • All churches are cults

  • The only cult I ever heard of in San Diego was that one in Encinitas I believe, somewhere in the area anyway. They found all the bodies in that house which eventually got condemned and torn down if I remember right

    Heaven’s Gate. Rancho Santa Fe. I remember when it went down & I knew a firefighter on that call.

    I don’t know about the house, but they found bodies at the Hotel 6 in Leucadia. I think it’s now a Comfort Inn.

  • This also sounds like Lighthouse Baptist that was out in Valley Center/Escondido area around the same time. I know a couple people that were involved as children. Lots of child abuse.

  • Every church is a cult. Some just try to control their members with more direct force than others.

  • Another lakeside tale lol

    It's not a tale when someone hears first hand from a previous member, especially considering how many other people on this thread have as well. Always read the comments before answering someone's question on something you (obviously) don't know.

    The word tale doesn’t mean fiction.

    It implies folklore, rumor, and unproven. Not the case here.

    Speaking of things YOU don’t know lol

    Have you bothered reading the whole post? Or the comment thread? Are you seriously that dismissive of your own community?

  • Wait so this church operated for 1 year? Never heard of it. How many members did it have?

  • if you go to any church...your're in a cult