marty mauser will probably become the most famous ping pong player in the world but nobody knew who marty reisman was, and for very good reason

I'm really hyped to see marty supreme and I know obviously it's more about the wild shit chalamet does in it but the ball knower in me knows that the real life reisman was a fraud who could never shut up about how cucked he was by the sport he played evolving and kept a lifelong dumb resentful grudge about it, and for like a decade there was one tiny but dedicated faction in American table tennis who was convinced that he really could've been the GOAT if some scrawny Japanese dude didn't come up with the revolutionary idea to put sponge on his bat in 1952. his life was cool but he was a bitch as he grew older so that's why I'm writing this post at 10:50pm the day before it releases in theatres

the movie probably won't go into this but up until he died, and then some years later, there existed a hagiography of him in American table tennis circles based on the supposedly legendary playing attributes of this guy, and also because there existed this circle of rabid autists (uncool ones who aren't like me btw) who would bitch bitch bitch and moan maybe how the addition of sponge changed and ruined the game and brought it to aesthetic perdition and somehow also was the reason why it got doomed to irrelevance in America. no more graceful chopping rallies or thinking duels but just speed and spin, ugh! marty was like a patron saint to these guys, the people who who were nostalgic for (or often idolized that period of table tennis because they lacked the skillset to be good in today's game) the hardbat era, the era of spongeless table tennis, the era marty thrived in, the era where Marty would've been GOAT if it wasn't for that inscrutable oriental dork who VIOLATED the sanctity of the game by adding the evil ass commie sponge

he spent his life believing this cope and only dominating local and national hardbat tournaments (because even as dorky as most Americans who play table tennis are 90% of them have never touched a hardbat once they discovered how to get good at pong), somewhere along the way he met susan sarandon and the safdie's brothers dad, and then he died. and because of this 13 years later we have Marty Supreme and his good name is finally redeemed and honoured, right?

Reisman didn't win anything but open tournaments in the hardbat era he wasn't gonna be the goat

he won a bunch of bronzes at the world championships and that's like, the apex of his career, and he lost 3 games to nothing in the only singles medal match he ever played! I mean he was 19 so he could've had potential to be a world champion, but that means he would've been world champion in an objectively shittier and boring and less skillful era lmao

he wasn't even the best american in his era! his teammate richard miles was and won a bronze singles medal 7 years after they started playing with sponges and marty ragequited from the sport for good lol

I mean his criminal shit was probably real they've arrested and convicted like at least 4 track stars for drug smuggling

anyways back to the point about ball knowledge: the idea that the game regressed because of the invention of the sponge is laughable. Marty regressed. The best table tennis players alive play now, the game's gone under so much study, formal process, coaching, analyctics, sports science, equipment availability that we know which techniques generate the most power and spin, which strategies and which mindsets separate you from greatness and mediocrity, the top players in the world all have personal trainers and regimens and psychologist sessions. the sponge was an innovation and it led to the most beautiful and perfect table tennis being played today, which the hardbat game could've never facilitated 🥱 and it's too bad marty was too much of a fucking dinosaur to embrace it. Marty was a twink, Patrick Franziska is 6'3 190 and too jacked to be playing this sport. too bad america sucks ass at it but skill issue + learn chinese buddy

anyhow if you gave prime ma long a hardbat racket and put him against prime reisman ma long clears 4-0

  • This is why I come to this sub.

    Amen this was beautiful

    You really never know what you’re gonna get

  • The idea of bitter ping pong stans who think the game was “ruined” decades ago made me think of this

  • I've been sick in bed doomscrolling all day and this is the best thing I've read so far, ty

  • do you think the movie is a earnest biopic? all of this is in it

    No I just really wanted to shit on a dead man I slightly kinda dislike lol 

    but in a way where I could really flex how 🧩 and Chinese and 🚬 about it 

    it’s ok I’m Jewish so I have to take his side, I get it

  • Someone made a comment and deleted it before I could finish this so here's a reply to it I wrote anyways because I think it helps to illustrate what I'm trying to convey:

    "If you've seen the trailers and some sneak preview footage you'll have seen references to the hardbat era simply by observing how Chalamet plays. It's not how they play the modern game at all and 1952 was the watershed moment 

    hardbat was a parlour game, the table tennis of now is a real sport 

    and here's a point from the 2020s that I've chosen to add because choppers are the closest playstyle to hardbat and it furthers my point"

  • I didn’t really like the movie and I wanted to. He’s a lil shithead weasel who gets pussy idk

    sounds like my alley ngl this rant was more about shitting on him like you'd shit on Kobe's overrated case for being the GOAT than a moral character thing

  • "there existed a hagiography of him..." this is what the movie is about, it's not really a biopic, it's inspired by a slurry of stories and myths about him. and it is, in tune with that, a movie about myths, beliefs, and dreams forcing themselves (strugglingly, violently, with aborted attempts) to become true. also it's an excellent movie, the people in this thread telling you it's middling are just trying to get ahead of the curve with a contrarian response because this is an rsp board.

    I should've made it more clear that the hagiography thing I was specifically dunking on was more in the realm of a niche bunch of nerds thinking this guy had more potential than he really did and purely in a sporting context that gets me off here, I have no doubt the sleazy things that made him cool and interesting in a skeevy kind of way that made him more than mere washed up ping pong has been probably mostly did happen. Those nerds were also really annoying and gay in any table tennis discourse back in the 2010s and they never shut up about the purity of hardbat, you couldn't see any thread without them shitting on the contemporary game 

  • real shit from real shit forum

  • I remember reading a New Yorker article back in the day about this hard bat vs sponge topic. I’ve gotta say it would be pretty cool to have different tournaments with different bat styles as it would kind of emulate differences in surface in tennis

  • I had to look up what hagiography meant

  • The movie was a nothing burger

    don't ruin my expectations :((( I loved uncut gems 

    It’ll probably mean something to you if you already enjoy the sport, but it’s just not an all timer is all

    It’ll probably mean something to you if you already enjoy the sport, but it’s just not an all timer is all

    the vast majority of narrowly focused passion projects and """table tennis media""" in general are abysmal, I'm watching it because I like the safdie brothers not because I expect 2 hours of timothee playing ping pong 

    I haven’t seen Uncut Gems, but this was just ok. It’s good, but not amazing. It’s being marketed like it’s one of the best films of all time and it’s just not. Especially not this year, one of the best years for film in a long time. It’s a very weak film imo compared to everything else that came out.

    What films this year did you like? Most of what I’ve seen was kind of disappointing but I know I’m missing a lot.

    Eddington, Bugonia, Materialists. Weapons was also very good. Some people will say One Battle After Another (I won’t). Idk, I wouldn’t put those on all timer lists either, but this was very much a year of subversive films. Whereas Marty Supreme just felt contrived, like a movie we’ve already seen so many times. In a year of Eddington, I just dunno how a movie that plays it safe can compete with that.

    lol calling Bugonia and Materialists subversive

    Films that could only have been made or released this year

    It’s good! It’s very Uncut Gems

    I love Uncut Gems and I thought Marty Supreme was even better

  • The movie very much gets into the sponge paddle debate. Also, the movie is hardly deifying Marty Reisman. Most of it makes the case that he would be better off dead.

  • " skill issue + learn chinese buddy " will hold me over for a while I truly thank u

  • I've hated this movie's promotional campaign, but this post has piqued my interest. You've a done a better job than a million dollar marketing team.