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Seriously we need to start policing pro creation. It's allowing too much child abuse. But nobody really cares about kids. At least that's what my childhood taught me.
The issue is when you give the government power to decide who is fit to have kids, the moment anyone of malicious intent gets into office, they can effectively bar entire populations from having children.
I agree! But instead of giving the government the power to spae and neuter humans, what if we had better checks on religion? What if we offered better psychiatric care at low cost? Better education so people learn to think critically so they are less likely to fall prey to predatory religions. Small things like this are far more likely to actually get passed into law without giving the government the power of eugenics the moment a madman steps into office.
You're way behind if you don't realize the government already does control who does and doesn't have kids. The USA is probably the worst at it.
Sorry, the rights of a child to be safe should outweigh a parents want for kids. Especially with 8 billion people on this planet. Do you even understand how we were able to cross the 4 billion threshold?
I don't care if you think that's eugenics. You're basically advocating for child abuse.
I think suffering children is worse than eugenics.
We can solve child abuse without eugenics. Better education will make better parents. Better social systems will make better parents. I don't care to have this debate while on my work break, but I can fill out my argument later if there is genuine interest.
Let's imagine a science-fiction society in which everyone's for whatever reason unable to have children unless they can pass a test that proves them to be good parent material.
This could actually work, in a post-scarcity fully automated luxury space communism society like Star Trek's United Federation of Planets, or Iain M. Banks' Culture.
If you try to do that here on Earth today, though, well, who makes the test? I reckon I could write a pretty good one, but why the heck should I be allowed to do that, when I might be a completely crazy person?
OK, so let's democratise the process! Everyone gets to vote on what test should be used! Obviously that's not going to be a problem, because completely crazy people never get democratically elected, after all!
Genetic testing to determine whether certain people are likely to have children with some kind of dreadful genetic disorder, and therefore should not have kids, is good. That's a service, not oppression. We do that already, and it's a very good thing.
But.
"Slippery slope" arguments are almost always bullshit. But the moment you tell people in that situation that you'll punish them if they do decide to breed, perhaps "only" with a forced abortion, you actually are on a completely real slippery slope that leads directly to eugenics.
Eugenics is a seductive idea, because obviously you could breed humans for certain traits. You could breed humans to be very tall, you could breed humans to be unusually strong, you could breed for eye and hair and skin colour, and the list goes on.
The problem with eugenics is that it's about breeding humans to be better. And no definition of "better" does not invariably lead to horrible crimes against basic human decency.
Did you notice that this religious mentality serves precisely to keep the poor from studying and perpetually keep them poor? Like, we all know heaven doesn't exist, so educating children for heaven is condemning them to poverty forever, while the pastor's family studies and becomes even richer.
This is pure social engineering and a power project.
If people ACTUALLY raised kids for Heaven, theyβd raise them with indoctrination until they were old enough to consciously accept Christ as their savior then theyβd murder their children so theyβd go straight to Heaven and no risks would be taken.
If any of these fruitcakes ACTUALLY believed anything they said, this would be the most noble thing they could do.
Setting them up for failure and possible mental illness. Once the mental illness presents, blame Satan. Problem solved. This is hell, we all died and this is hell
If these people had ever read the Bible, they would know that the Bible pushes the value of education over and over. Thereβs a reason that religious leaders used to be some of the most highly educated people of society. People used to rely on them for information about God and society because the masses were illiterate.
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Soβ¦ donβt educate your kids just indoctrinate them with your religion? Sounds like a cult.
We're doomed!!! Happy 2026!
YAYYY 2026 AND PEOPLE LIKE THIS STILL EXIST!!!
Death cult lol.
SMH sounds more like brainwash than parenting, like how u gonna limit their thinking for real
Looking at the picture this is on, I really have to wonder whether they'd say the same about boys.
So sick of this anti-intellectual death cult taking over the discourse in American life.
How is Ice cream related to either
she's making sure they get to heaven Via sugar
"See kids...we have ice cream! Come. We won't hurt you in our religious
cultgroups!" - religious zealots to childrenJoooinn usss. We have ice cream...
It's not, it's just a photo.
πππππ ππππ ππ ππ π ππππππ.
I just rolled my eyes so hard it hurt.
Raise them...to die?
Seriously we need to start policing pro creation. It's allowing too much child abuse. But nobody really cares about kids. At least that's what my childhood taught me.
In Japan, religion is treated as child abuse
I know. It's called a crime of the soul to indoctrinate a child. A big reason why I learned Japanese and moved to Fukuoka.
Wait what? Do you have sources on this? I'd love to learn why.
Hereβs one to get started: https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/14802375
The issue is when you give the government power to decide who is fit to have kids, the moment anyone of malicious intent gets into office, they can effectively bar entire populations from having children.
Fanaticism is always political and 95% of the time religious.
I agree! But instead of giving the government the power to spae and neuter humans, what if we had better checks on religion? What if we offered better psychiatric care at low cost? Better education so people learn to think critically so they are less likely to fall prey to predatory religions. Small things like this are far more likely to actually get passed into law without giving the government the power of eugenics the moment a madman steps into office.
You're way behind if you don't realize the government already does control who does and doesn't have kids. The USA is probably the worst at it.
Sorry, the rights of a child to be safe should outweigh a parents want for kids. Especially with 8 billion people on this planet. Do you even understand how we were able to cross the 4 billion threshold?
I don't care if you think that's eugenics. You're basically advocating for child abuse.
I think suffering children is worse than eugenics.
We can solve child abuse without eugenics. Better education will make better parents. Better social systems will make better parents. I don't care to have this debate while on my work break, but I can fill out my argument later if there is genuine interest.
Nah it's okay. I appreciate your point of view though.
I'm just genuinely tired of all the pointless suffering.
Iβm so sorry. π«
That's... not a great idea.
Stay with me, here.
Let's imagine a science-fiction society in which everyone's for whatever reason unable to have children unless they can pass a test that proves them to be good parent material.
This could actually work, in a post-scarcity fully automated luxury space communism society like Star Trek's United Federation of Planets, or Iain M. Banks' Culture.
If you try to do that here on Earth today, though, well, who makes the test? I reckon I could write a pretty good one, but why the heck should I be allowed to do that, when I might be a completely crazy person?
OK, so let's democratise the process! Everyone gets to vote on what test should be used! Obviously that's not going to be a problem, because completely crazy people never get democratically elected, after all!
Genetic testing to determine whether certain people are likely to have children with some kind of dreadful genetic disorder, and therefore should not have kids, is good. That's a service, not oppression. We do that already, and it's a very good thing.
But.
"Slippery slope" arguments are almost always bullshit. But the moment you tell people in that situation that you'll punish them if they do decide to breed, perhaps "only" with a forced abortion, you actually are on a completely real slippery slope that leads directly to eugenics.
Eugenics is a seductive idea, because obviously you could breed humans for certain traits. You could breed humans to be very tall, you could breed humans to be unusually strong, you could breed for eye and hair and skin colour, and the list goes on.
The problem with eugenics is that it's about breeding humans to be better. And no definition of "better" does not invariably lead to horrible crimes against basic human decency.
Tldr
Silo
You missed the point entirely. Good luck with that point of view though. It's demonstrably wrong.
Ignorance is bliss I guess.
Sofa king dumb I swear
Raise your kids so they can choose for themselves if they want to go to heaven or Harvard.
With a proper education they have a fair chance at achieving both.
Matthew 25:41-46. I suspect if she raised them, they ain't getting into heaven.
Did you notice that this religious mentality serves precisely to keep the poor from studying and perpetually keep them poor? Like, we all know heaven doesn't exist, so educating children for heaven is condemning them to poverty forever, while the pastor's family studies and becomes even richer.
This is pure social engineering and a power project.
If people ACTUALLY raised kids for Heaven, theyβd raise them with indoctrination until they were old enough to consciously accept Christ as their savior then theyβd murder their children so theyβd go straight to Heaven and no risks would be taken. If any of these fruitcakes ACTUALLY believed anything they said, this would be the most noble thing they could do.
Wonder if heaven can get you a good education and a paying job. Probably not
Believe in whatever wackadoodle shit you want, but leave the kids alone and let their brains develop.
Fruitcake translation: Raise your kids to be unemployed and homeless so they go to heaven quicker.
So, they want to raise uneducated and brainwashed morons. Parents of the year π€¦ββοΈ
Technically they could do both since Harvard Divinity School is a thing. They won't. But they could.
Legit crazy.
Or just raise them to be kind, empathetic, happy humans?
Setting them up for failure and possible mental illness. Once the mental illness presents, blame Satan. Problem solved. This is hell, we all died and this is hell
Yet it's all the Christian chicks with all the cheating, prescription drugs, botox etc. How come they don't mean what they say?
Ahhh. Thatβs why they donβt vaccinate! Getting those kids to heaven faster.
If these people had ever read the Bible, they would know that the Bible pushes the value of education over and over. Thereβs a reason that religious leaders used to be some of the most highly educated people of society. People used to rely on them for information about God and society because the masses were illiterate.
Raises kids for heaven.
But it's a wrong religion.
In fact - ALL of them were wrong.
Ignorance is Strength...
Iβd agree with this if it werenβt about religion.
Those kids are going places. Not college, but places.
Can't people do both?
What a great fucking idea, jackass!