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Also anytime you start looking at the lists of the 63,000 references they're talking about, so many of them are so utterly paper thin that the idea that it's a coherent cross reference is stupid.
But even then, like, the Bible is a book written by dozens of authors across a thousand years with no concept that it's going to be a single volume. Of course it's going to refer to other parts.
[edit:] and as it turns out, the list is just lifted from concordances, which do include references but also itemize things like repeated phrases or ideas. If two different passages talk about love in marriage that shows up in a concordance.
Also I'm assuming this is referencing the Old and New Testament right? If so, the Old Testament was already a significantly referenced and believed book, it just wasn't compiled as the "Old Testament" yet. But Abrahamic religion, especially Judaism, had been around for thousands of years before people started writing the New Testament. So of COURSE people who have been following a multiple thousand year old religion are going to make references to that religion when writing the book they believe to be a continuation of it. This is hardly surprising and absolutely not evidence of anything divine. This applies whether or not Christ was a real person.
I was just thinking when I saw that huge line that goes from start to finish that these so called “references” probably sound like numerology bs when they try to explain them and are something like: in the BEGINNING god created the heavens. Which means there’s an ENDING. Therefore a connection from the beginning to the end of the Bible. 🤯 explain that atheists 💯
He didn't read the first two chapters of Genesis if he didn't see a contradiction (two distinct stories of creation by two very different god entities).
The graph in the thumbnail is instantly recognizable, if you’ve been to BibViz more than once. That’s the irony of the video. That graph, and connections, are errors/contradictions.
If it were a collection of books written by a single author across decades, then I could forgive them for having errors or contradictions because that would be a lot of information to keep straight.
But if this is a collection of books written across centuries, and each of the authors had devoted their lives to understanding and believing what had previously been written, and had those texts on hand while writing their own addition to make sure their references were accurate, and then leaders of these believers eventually agreed on a curated collection of what the final approved list of books and letters would be, and there were still contradictions and unclear language?! That’s when I gotta just throw my hands up and walk away.
This moron probably thinks the other 3 gospels felt that hundreds of people rising from the dead for a real “walking dead” moment, was not relevant enough to redo
I use this example on Christians. When jesus rose the dead according to Matthew bodies of holy people were brought to life. This says 2 things. Only Matthew mentions it which, I dont knkw is pretty suspect for such a huge thing to happen. Only one gospel mentions the dead coming back to life. And secondly it shows that jesus coming back from the dead is not isolated and therefore not particularly special
Thats not necessarily a problem, you can have multiple biographies of the same guy. The problem is that those biographies are meant to be divinely inspired and objectively true, so when they directly contradict each other (which they do, multiple times) thats when you have a problem
4 people writing a biography of one person probably would come out different. At least that seems authentic for having been written by people who were trying to memorialize something.
But let’s talk about how there are two different creation stories in Genesis. Or how Judas died two different ways, in those gospels, which is a pretty big part to have a discrepancy in the account of.
There are contradictions in the order of creation in the literal beginning of Genesis, people claiming there's no contradictions in the Bible are just parroting the point without proper research - or are doing some contortionist-level mental gymnastics.
“United story” is always a key to what they are pushing. Anti-Semitic Jewish erasure from the Bible. Forcing the Old Testament to align with Christian views is so disingenuous to the people who started their religion.
People will probably say no, but can someone use this same graphing technique with the Lord of the Rings trilogy? Including The Hobbit and Simirillian?
It wouldn't make much sense. I watched half a second of the vid, then stopped. Because I know the chart. I know what it represents. It's bullshit
What the authors did was when a word is mentioned in one place, they connected it to another. Literally for example when it says sermon on the MOUNT or MOUNT Arreat, that's a connection. It's ludicrous to claim those are in any way always meaningful and nothing but propaganda.
The Bible is also repetitive and even though it has a lot of different authors the author’s of later books knew about the earlier books and built upon them intentionally.
That’s like saying the fact that the later dune books written by Frank Herbert’s kids making a reference to the first book proves it’s real. Or Tolkiens kids using characters from the hobbit in the extended middle earth works they made.
I came here for this type of comment. You could also use the classics at one end, the works of Shakespeare in the middle, and inspired works of fiction by other authors and make the same chart.
This fool is implying that the arcs are directed forward in time, as if the early books were predictive or written as a solid whole, but it's much more sensible to draw the arks backwards in time and just show that later authors wrote based on what was already there since the cast of characters in the Bible are ultimately from a narrow cast.
Oh I’d love to see a LotR/whole collection chart like this. I’d expect it would be a whole lot larger of a chart, that man was a genius beyond words at worldbuilding
The Bourne Series of novels have been written by three different guys, have more coherent references across each other and actually have lesser contradictions than the bible. Accept Jason Bourne as god.
They forget how many times "The Bible" has been edited throughout its history. Weird how they seem to keep constantly forgetting how throughout that same time that same book has been used to not just persecute people but straight up murder them(despite it being one of their ten rules you need to follow). But one only needs to remember that the man behind the pulpit knows best.
The first contradiction I thought about was Judas' death. He died by hanging in Matthew 18, but in Acts 1 he died by a spontaneous bowel explosion (fucking brutal).
Lolololol zero contradictions? My guy, what were Jesus' last words? Depending on which book you're in you're gunna get different answers.
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew/Mark), "Father, forgive them" (Luke), "I thirst" then, "It is finished" (John), and of course "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" (Luke).
"The bahble itself said it was inspired by God so you can't dispute that without evidence!"
:D
This country, and many others, have failed in educating people. Although maybe it's not the education, since it's very likely that this gomer was homeschooled to make sure he grew up believing in fairy tales.
Written by one or two men, then edited countless times and added onto by those who came after. I too can add to an existing piece of work, reference some shit mentioned in it and call it divine. This douche has never read or written anything and he doesn't even need to tell me.
It's worse than that. The Bible isn't a book but a collection of books, written by multiple authors (some anonymous and some with names and some which are forgeries written in another person's name), and they have edits.
The first five books of The Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers) are called The Law of Moses or Torah and was supposedly written by Moses, even though it talks about the body of Moses after he died.
Half the cross reference is just made up or taken out of context.
The so called "Virgin Birth" prophecy is a prime example of that? Christian apologetics would point to some made up concept or dual fulfillment but that is not supported by either the current Jewish believers or their predecessors of that time.
Secondly I have yet to hear a good argument for straight made up prophecies
I don’t understand why he thinks this impressive lol. Of course having multiple authors would mean they reference each other a lot - they’re basically all writing religious fan fiction. None of them knew their writings would eventually be part of the compiled works called The Bible
Also he assumes the bible was written by one guy who did all the cross references and then released it one day. Unthinkable that people might have read, added and modified stuff over centuries.
This is the website HERE. It’s a comprehensive, interactive website displaying the LITANY of contradictions in the Bible. You can’t deny the reality of your eyes. The Bible is a total fraud.
Sigh, geographically inaccurate, chronologically inaccurate, murder, rape, incest, it’s hypocritical. One contradiction after another. Ffs someone get Dillahunty. Sit down ya brainwashed bro Chad.
And yet at sunday school I went to they didn't tell the entire bible at once, they gave little snippets of story, not even in order, but all worked as their own story.
“Zero Contradictions” hmmm I feel like the Bible would STRONGLY disagree with you my guy. Funnily enough, the majority of Biblical scholars (who are also mostly practicing Christians) completely disagree that there are zero contradictions. Hell, they don’t even view it as the inherent word of their god.
As long as unfalsifiable magic is on the table, there are literally infinite other possibilities besides the god of the Bible for how this story came about. That’s just their favorite unfalsifiable magic explanation.
Wait I think I know the site he using with the rainbow line. I believe he is using lyingforjesus a site that’s all about the contradiction in the bible
I believe that’s actually just a reference diagram to all the times the Bible contradicts itself. Christians are reframing the story by leaving out why it’s referenced
Counterpoint: The ongoing continuity of ANY long running soap opera or comic book series produced over the last 70 years.
Dozens of different writers, producing weekly scripts, the need to square up obscene amounts of continuity with characters and actors coming in and out of the series over decades as popular actors need money, or comic book readers get nostalgic for retro characters.
Technically there's never been a contradiction in all of Spider-Man's comic book career, so long as they pull in Mephisto to wipe continuty clean and retcon decades at a time!
I could be wrong about this, but that image looks like it is from The BibViz Project. The project maps the various places the Bible contradicts itself. The guy took the picture and lied about what it means.
The part he forgot to explain is that every "connection" is a link between things that contradict each other, directly or indirectly (haha, that directly or indirectly statement is funny on its own)... But anyway, I think he meant to say there are 63779 contradictions in there, not zero 😂 😂 😂
I'm a big fan of the Ghosthunters! series of children's books by Cornelia Funke.
In book 4 the currently final book, Hetty, the mentor and master ghost hunter, mentions how her and Tom, the protagonist, and Hugo, the team friendly ghost, met. Cleanly referencing the scene beat for beat and recreating it in the pages.
Clearly this is because God's words are on the page.
These guys believe God is the sole author of the Bible, that even though it was penned by different people, it is God's word on the page. They also believe it to be a historical document detailing the true events of history that took place in the events covered in the text. Why wouldn't it cross-refence itself since it's literally the same author?
A book cross references itself? How could the author possibly mention the same thing twice?? Only God* knows how to remember something they wrote down a few pages ago
How does that picture handle dead links and links to things outside the Bible? Like where the Bible refers to pi having a value of 3 and all of mathematics giving us a different number? Or where the Bible refers to Judith or Tobit or some other book he doesn’t have in his Bible but other people have in theirs?
The fact that every biblical author had access to the majority of the texts written prior to their text and would have been INTENTIONALLY citing, making references, and otherwise aligning their work to the scriptures is conveniently ignored…
No. The fact that it was “written over 1500 years” just shows every author referenced the previous writings to tie it all in.
Also it was not actually written over 1500 years. It was likely written mostly during the Babylonian rule over the Hebrews which is why the most accurate history recorded in the Old Testament dates from that period and everything it references before that period is crazy wrong.
These dudes lie so easily.
"You must not kill! I, on the other Hand, oh boy. I go batshit crazy and slaughter every single last one if you, because you're shit. Even though I say I love every single one if you."
The first song in Sonic Adventure 2,Escape From the City by Jun Senouse and Ted Poley, contains the line 'got to live and learn'. This correlates directly to Live and Learn by Crush 40, the iconic final boss theme. Clearly this can only mean SEGA's development team was divinely inspired.
The true grift is making innocuous Christian coded content that is so shiny and dumb that it reaches way more eyeballs as covert rage bait than meets its ostensible target audience. Reverse Evangelical Trojan horse. Remember flipping channels in the old days, stumbling on TBN (the God channel as I called it) and wasting countless minutes just scoffing at the gross and absurd display of absolute bullshit and hypnotism? Imagine if they were able to directly monetize that viewership - that’s today’s trip with tight-tee ✝️ik✝️ok “have you heard this” charisma feedback loop
If you’re trying to explain this then you simply haven’t absorbed the absolute brilliance, intelligence and pure language mastery Tolkien possessed.
He invented multiple languages and with perfect consistency gave us a story that will transcend generations with a message so complex and so simple it reaches every soul in this mad world.
So I guess The First Council of Nicaea is long overdue for an editing Pulitzer?
Of course, stories are self-referential. That's the whole point of it being a story! The beginning should connect to the middle and end. Otherwise, it's just a list.
Ive seen that arc diagram referenced as a contradiction linkage. One of these statements has to be true. and, if lifes taught me anything. A victim of organized religion is going to pick thru the faults of its system alot more thoroughly than a blissfully complacent beneficiary of its patriarchal narrative
Alot of Christians are more likely to find god in a potato chip or a piece of oddly burnt toast rather than self criticism in a verse directly out of the book they live and die by.
One person? the books are named after the apostles who contributed their writing. This comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible and its editions.
Song of Solomon 8:6 - "Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm, for love is strong as death, jealousy is fierce as the grave"
But!
Exodus 34:14 - "For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God"
Exodus20:5 - "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me"
Sooo.... Jealousy is a sin, but God is Jealous, but also sinless?
I still dont understand how connections between folk tales = proof of sky daddy.
The whole point of these stories is that before they were written down they were passed on through word of mouth and storry telling they would have been some of the most well known storys in the region its hardly suprising that they reference each other.
Ngl when I see the references chart, it reminds me of how in episode 4-6 of star wars we have darth Vader being anakin and in episode 1 we have a reference to anakin being the boy on tatooine. Like references doesnt necessarily mean anything.
Marvel comics has even MORE cross references, MORE authors, and claims to have been written by God (Jack Kirby). In fact, it’s anthology is so huge that we haven’t yet even attempted to make a Marvel Bible out of it yet
Christian's can talk all day 'about' the bible but are super reluctant to discuss straight ahead content. Overcomplicating what is essentially a bunch of religious texts that were soundly disproven 100s of year ago.
Lmao going off his “evidence,” everyone from Tolkien and Stephen King to Nora Roberts, Anne Rice and all the crossover fanfic writers are prophets of some god.
I hate people who actively choose to be this kind of stupid.
Have you read War and Peace.
There's some connections.
On another level these books were written hundreds of years after Jesus died. They were not in English. They were revised many many times and then a group of old men in Rome decided what books to keep and what books made them uncomfortable, and got rid of.
Please people, people who never read or heard of the Bible had civilized societies that took better care of each other than we do.
I would love to see how vague and how much of a stretch a bunch of these “connections” are. “This early part of the Bible mentions wine, and so does this part at the end of the Bible!”
Talking donkey, talking snake, happens once and we never reference either creature again. Man lives in a fish for 3 days, never referenced again, woman becomes salt, never referenced again. No one happened to stumble across Noah's ark, a random pillar of salt, none of that in the rest of the book.
It wasn't like Timothy was just strolling along and saw Noah's ark. You'd swear that would be an artifact that would have been preserved for generations.
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“Zero contradictions.” 😂
Also anytime you start looking at the lists of the 63,000 references they're talking about, so many of them are so utterly paper thin that the idea that it's a coherent cross reference is stupid.
But even then, like, the Bible is a book written by dozens of authors across a thousand years with no concept that it's going to be a single volume. Of course it's going to refer to other parts.
[edit:] and as it turns out, the list is just lifted from concordances, which do include references but also itemize things like repeated phrases or ideas. If two different passages talk about love in marriage that shows up in a concordance.
Also I'm assuming this is referencing the Old and New Testament right? If so, the Old Testament was already a significantly referenced and believed book, it just wasn't compiled as the "Old Testament" yet. But Abrahamic religion, especially Judaism, had been around for thousands of years before people started writing the New Testament. So of COURSE people who have been following a multiple thousand year old religion are going to make references to that religion when writing the book they believe to be a continuation of it. This is hardly surprising and absolutely not evidence of anything divine. This applies whether or not Christ was a real person.
I was just thinking when I saw that huge line that goes from start to finish that these so called “references” probably sound like numerology bs when they try to explain them and are something like: in the BEGINNING god created the heavens. Which means there’s an ENDING. Therefore a connection from the beginning to the end of the Bible. 🤯 explain that atheists 💯
Every page of every novel ever written is connected to every previous page of those novels. Amazing.
If being self referential equates to divinity then surely I am the one true god because I tell stories about myself constantly.
Hmmmm something tells me he's never actually read the Bible if he so confidently can say that lol
Exactly my thought. Even a read of just Luke and Matthew would suffice...
He didn't read the first two chapters of Genesis if he didn't see a contradiction (two distinct stories of creation by two very different god entities).
Either this, or he has a memory of a goldfish, or he is just too stupid to actually understand what he’s reading.
Right? You don’t have to read past Genesis 2 to find a contradiction.
What they mean is that they can fanwank the contradictions away if they squint hard enough.
https://philb61.github.io/
This should be higher
The graph in the thumbnail is instantly recognizable, if you’ve been to BibViz more than once. That’s the irony of the video. That graph, and connections, are errors/contradictions.
https://preview.redd.it/km9ypev1xkag1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d591a77f6771645f164cb324daf140dae5af6f56
My favorite response to this is that the gospels can’t decide how many people Jesus magically fed with the fish and bread.
Different numbers + different “accounts” = invalid data.
Technically he isn't lying since he didn't read it.
At the beginning of the Bible the first two chapters in Genesis contradict each other
It can’t even make up its mind on who Jesus’s paternal grandfather was.
He's just making naked assertions with no evidence. 🙄
If it were a collection of books written by a single author across decades, then I could forgive them for having errors or contradictions because that would be a lot of information to keep straight.
But if this is a collection of books written across centuries, and each of the authors had devoted their lives to understanding and believing what had previously been written, and had those texts on hand while writing their own addition to make sure their references were accurate, and then leaders of these believers eventually agreed on a curated collection of what the final approved list of books and letters would be, and there were still contradictions and unclear language?! That’s when I gotta just throw my hands up and walk away.
“It has one united story with zero contradictions”
So confident, and laughably incorrect. I wonder what he’s trying to sell.
Beat me to it. There are literally 4 different accounts of one guy's life.
This moron probably thinks the other 3 gospels felt that hundreds of people rising from the dead for a real “walking dead” moment, was not relevant enough to redo
Oh this moron has never read a single word of the Bible that wasn't on a bumper sticker or a stripper's tattoo.
Wait, where can I go to this stripper tattoo bible study that you speak of
I use this example on Christians. When jesus rose the dead according to Matthew bodies of holy people were brought to life. This says 2 things. Only Matthew mentions it which, I dont knkw is pretty suspect for such a huge thing to happen. Only one gospel mentions the dead coming back to life. And secondly it shows that jesus coming back from the dead is not isolated and therefore not particularly special
Thats not necessarily a problem, you can have multiple biographies of the same guy. The problem is that those biographies are meant to be divinely inspired and objectively true, so when they directly contradict each other (which they do, multiple times) thats when you have a problem
Four different accounts of one guy's life and they don't agree on practically any detail in it.
The bits they do agree on are usually the ones that are useful for converting superstitious people, like miracle claims
4 people writing a biography of one person probably would come out different. At least that seems authentic for having been written by people who were trying to memorialize something.
But let’s talk about how there are two different creation stories in Genesis. Or how Judas died two different ways, in those gospels, which is a pretty big part to have a discrepancy in the account of.
There are contradictions in the order of creation in the literal beginning of Genesis, people claiming there's no contradictions in the Bible are just parroting the point without proper research - or are doing some contortionist-level mental gymnastics.
ROFLMAO!
Bible contradiction chart source:
https://www.lyingforjesus.org/Bible-Contradictions/
Or
https://philb61.github.io/
More here: https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/first/contra2_list.html
Me when I point at the chart of all the mistakes: "ZERO CONTRADICTIONS!"
I didn't bother watching but did he really say "zero contradictions".. like.. zero?
Cause, boy oh boy..
I literally laughed out loud at that!
Probably something where Jesus had blond hair and blue eyes and light Scandinavian skin.
https://preview.redd.it/wdz3npwaxkag1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c943734c17c2ccec1c0323cd331a4540cdd978b
“United story” is always a key to what they are pushing. Anti-Semitic Jewish erasure from the Bible. Forcing the Old Testament to align with Christian views is so disingenuous to the people who started their religion.
People will probably say no, but can someone use this same graphing technique with the Lord of the Rings trilogy? Including The Hobbit and Simirillian?
Just for fun, of course.
It wouldn't make much sense. I watched half a second of the vid, then stopped. Because I know the chart. I know what it represents. It's bullshit
What the authors did was when a word is mentioned in one place, they connected it to another. Literally for example when it says sermon on the MOUNT or MOUNT Arreat, that's a connection. It's ludicrous to claim those are in any way always meaningful and nothing but propaganda.
The Bible is also repetitive and even though it has a lot of different authors the author’s of later books knew about the earlier books and built upon them intentionally.
That’s like saying the fact that the later dune books written by Frank Herbert’s kids making a reference to the first book proves it’s real. Or Tolkiens kids using characters from the hobbit in the extended middle earth works they made.
That’s my title!
Exactly!
I came here for this type of comment. You could also use the classics at one end, the works of Shakespeare in the middle, and inspired works of fiction by other authors and make the same chart.
This fool is implying that the arcs are directed forward in time, as if the early books were predictive or written as a solid whole, but it's much more sensible to draw the arks backwards in time and just show that later authors wrote based on what was already there since the cast of characters in the Bible are ultimately from a narrow cast.
That would look amazing.
Oh I’d love to see a LotR/whole collection chart like this. I’d expect it would be a whole lot larger of a chart, that man was a genius beyond words at worldbuilding
The Bourne Series of novels have been written by three different guys, have more coherent references across each other and actually have lesser contradictions than the bible. Accept Jason Bourne as god.
Way ahead of ya.
In another timeline: "By Jason Bourne, that's Yeshua the Nazarene!"
The lord works in... Extreme Ways
cue bassline
Same with Harry Potter.
Or the Cthulhu mythos.
They forget how many times "The Bible" has been edited throughout its history. Weird how they seem to keep constantly forgetting how throughout that same time that same book has been used to not just persecute people but straight up murder them(despite it being one of their ten rules you need to follow). But one only needs to remember that the man behind the pulpit knows best.
I’m sure he would just blame the Catholic Church or his sect of Christianity has it right. It was the murdering persecuting sects that had it wrong.
The first contradiction I thought about was Judas' death. He died by hanging in Matthew 18, but in Acts 1 he died by a spontaneous bowel explosion (fucking brutal).
Never eat a bad burrito!
Quite the shitty way to go.
didn't know Chipotle was that old.
I have a bit of a Judas experience every time I eat a vindaloo
"it has zero contradictions"
Perfect
Lord of the Rings
Norse Mythology
Star Wars
Percy Jackson series
Steven King's IT
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
The Indiana Jones movies
All are divinely written by this guys logic
Did someone gaslight him or is he gaslighting his audience? I have seen that map before and it is a map of biblical contradictions.
Possibly both
Bro is high as a kite from huffing his own farts...
Su Hui's Star Gauge is the greatest literary masterpiece ever written...and it's not even close. It blows the Bible clear out of the water.
So, does that mean Su Hui is the real "god?"
“It has zero contradictions.” Tell me you haven’t read the Bible without telling me you haven’t read the Bible.
This right here.
Man if that surprises you than, your mind would explode from the content reach of Mahabharata.
I watch this guys dopey YouTube reels and it’s always hilarious how confident this stunad is
And it's always these overly confident guys who are hiding something.
Anyone who speaks like that and wears a baseball cap invariably has room temperature IQ
https://preview.redd.it/dwhtdnr1zjag1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d15dd81580ddf71097af1a7c76cb34f9ff8c51a2
Lolololol zero contradictions? My guy, what were Jesus' last words? Depending on which book you're in you're gunna get different answers.
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew/Mark), "Father, forgive them" (Luke), "I thirst" then, "It is finished" (John), and of course "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" (Luke).
So like, which is it? 🤷🏻
That is literally the chart of all the contradictions in the Bible, but with different colors. Check it out:
https://philb61.github.io
Jesus Christ what a goddamn idiot, this guy is not for real????????
"The bahble itself said it was inspired by God so you can't dispute that without evidence!"
:D
This country, and many others, have failed in educating people. Although maybe it's not the education, since it's very likely that this gomer was homeschooled to make sure he grew up believing in fairy tales.
Justin from Deconstruction Zone might like a word or two about that.
That graphic is actually showing actual contradictions. This guy is a liar. I know we are all surprised
https://preview.redd.it/yfehg7jusmag1.jpeg?width=2360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1162f45d9a6e962504cb75e9a1028ed966135c5
Cool cool…
now here’s a graph of all the contradictions in the Bible 😀👍
here’s the website if yall want it: https://www.lyingforjesus.org/Bible-Contradictions/
https://i.redd.it/wxdxwoufkgag1.gif
Checkmate atheists!
Written by one or two men, then edited countless times and added onto by those who came after. I too can add to an existing piece of work, reference some shit mentioned in it and call it divine. This douche has never read or written anything and he doesn't even need to tell me.
It's worse than that. The Bible isn't a book but a collection of books, written by multiple authors (some anonymous and some with names and some which are forgeries written in another person's name), and they have edits.
The first five books of The Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers) are called The Law of Moses or Torah and was supposedly written by Moses, even though it talks about the body of Moses after he died.
It's an even bigger bullshit than we thought.
Half the cross reference is just made up or taken out of context.
The so called "Virgin Birth" prophecy is a prime example of that? Christian apologetics would point to some made up concept or dual fulfillment but that is not supported by either the current Jewish believers or their predecessors of that time.
Secondly I have yet to hear a good argument for straight made up prophecies
https://infidels.org/library/modern/farrell-till-prophecy
More example can be found here
https://outreachjudaism.org/gods-suffering-servant-isaiah-53/
The point is that Jesus did not fulfill the relevant Jewish Messianic prophecy
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/was-is-jesus-the-messiah
"Zero contradictions"
The mental gymnastics - I just can't
What happens if you tale out the cross references to 'god' and 'jesus'?
And the guy says the book has "zero contradictions".... Give me a fucking break. The Bible is absolutely loaded with contradictions.
I don’t understand why he thinks this impressive lol. Of course having multiple authors would mean they reference each other a lot - they’re basically all writing religious fan fiction. None of them knew their writings would eventually be part of the compiled works called The Bible
Also he assumes the bible was written by one guy who did all the cross references and then released it one day. Unthinkable that people might have read, added and modified stuff over centuries.
“Love your neighbor as you do yourself.”
“Fornicators should be stoned.”
This is the website HERE. It’s a comprehensive, interactive website displaying the LITANY of contradictions in the Bible. You can’t deny the reality of your eyes. The Bible is a total fraud.
Sigh, geographically inaccurate, chronologically inaccurate, murder, rape, incest, it’s hypocritical. One contradiction after another. Ffs someone get Dillahunty. Sit down ya brainwashed bro Chad.
He spoke so much shit with so much confidence, bless his socks
Man has never heard of fanfiction.
"Has one story"
And yet at sunday school I went to they didn't tell the entire bible at once, they gave little snippets of story, not even in order, but all worked as their own story.
"No contradictions"
do I need to say anything
Zeeeerooooooo contradictions, wink wink
"I don't understand how anything works, so by definition, it's a miracle."
“Zero Contradictions” hmmm I feel like the Bible would STRONGLY disagree with you my guy. Funnily enough, the majority of Biblical scholars (who are also mostly practicing Christians) completely disagree that there are zero contradictions. Hell, they don’t even view it as the inherent word of their god.
Hitch once said in an interview “You give me the impression of someone who has never read any of the arguments against their position”
Gone too soon.
Ask any LLM about contradictions in the bible.. . From 50 to 50000
Lord of the rings says hi
That book contains chapters that were very carefully selected by a council… and is still massively inconsistent
A book references other parts of the book? WOWWWWW. How is this remotely possible. I must believe all of it. 🤭
Ok so!! No contradiction… what is this dude smoking? And where can I get some🤣🤣🤣
Love the fact that the diagram is actually the opposite, it's a map of all the contradictions in the Bible
As long as unfalsifiable magic is on the table, there are literally infinite other possibilities besides the god of the Bible for how this story came about. That’s just their favorite unfalsifiable magic explanation.
Wait I think I know the site he using with the rainbow line. I believe he is using lyingforjesus a site that’s all about the contradiction in the bible
This guy is a moron
In genesis god creates light on earth on day 1 before the sun is created on day 4. Contraction on page 1 mofo.
I believe that’s actually just a reference diagram to all the times the Bible contradicts itself. Christians are reframing the story by leaving out why it’s referenced
https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/e4mnr/most_complete_chart_of_bible_contradictions_ive/
Zero contradictions he says while showing a literal chart of the times it contradicts itself...
Counterpoint: The ongoing continuity of ANY long running soap opera or comic book series produced over the last 70 years.
Dozens of different writers, producing weekly scripts, the need to square up obscene amounts of continuity with characters and actors coming in and out of the series over decades as popular actors need money, or comic book readers get nostalgic for retro characters.
Technically there's never been a contradiction in all of Spider-Man's comic book career, so long as they pull in Mephisto to wipe continuty clean and retcon decades at a time!
I could be wrong about this, but that image looks like it is from The BibViz Project. The project maps the various places the Bible contradicts itself. The guy took the picture and lied about what it means.
Buddy. I’m sure plenty of people call the Bible a “masterpiece”
Also it’s still a book, someone wrote it, it’s man made
The part he forgot to explain is that every "connection" is a link between things that contradict each other, directly or indirectly (haha, that directly or indirectly statement is funny on its own)... But anyway, I think he meant to say there are 63779 contradictions in there, not zero 😂 😂 😂
Tell me you have never read the Bible without telling me you have never read the Bible.
when youve only ever read one book in your life this is what happens.....
This website do cross reference all the contradictions btw, at the bottom
I'm a big fan of the Ghosthunters! series of children's books by Cornelia Funke.
In book 4 the currently final book, Hetty, the mentor and master ghost hunter, mentions how her and Tom, the protagonist, and Hugo, the team friendly ghost, met. Cleanly referencing the scene beat for beat and recreating it in the pages.
Clearly this is because God's words are on the page.
These guys believe God is the sole author of the Bible, that even though it was penned by different people, it is God's word on the page. They also believe it to be a historical document detailing the true events of history that took place in the events covered in the text. Why wouldn't it cross-refence itself since it's literally the same author?
My god these people are stupid
A book cross references itself? How could the author possibly mention the same thing twice?? Only God* knows how to remember something they wrote down a few pages ago
*And probably everyone else too
How does that picture handle dead links and links to things outside the Bible? Like where the Bible refers to pi having a value of 3 and all of mathematics giving us a different number? Or where the Bible refers to Judith or Tobit or some other book he doesn’t have in his Bible but other people have in theirs?
Is he stupid? They took inspiration from previous books. What is so miraculous about that.
Famously no biblical author had any access to the previous books whatsoever
Where the cross-references between the Bible and pre-existing myths?
The fact that every biblical author had access to the majority of the texts written prior to their text and would have been INTENTIONALLY citing, making references, and otherwise aligning their work to the scriptures is conveniently ignored…
All this proves is his ignorance.
Podcastbro version facebook grandmas using ai gen images to prove the rapture is coming
No. The fact that it was “written over 1500 years” just shows every author referenced the previous writings to tie it all in. Also it was not actually written over 1500 years. It was likely written mostly during the Babylonian rule over the Hebrews which is why the most accurate history recorded in the Old Testament dates from that period and everything it references before that period is crazy wrong. These dudes lie so easily.
I need someone to do that woth a harry potter book. Connect every instance of harry potter being mentioned 🤣
So what about all the books of the Bible that were omitted?
"You must not kill! I, on the other Hand, oh boy. I go batshit crazy and slaughter every single last one if you, because you're shit. Even though I say I love every single one if you."
I uh xD pledge eternal fealty to the Valar and renounce both Morgoth and Sauron and their evil deeds? xD
This is definitely one for: r/confidentlyincorrect
The first song in Sonic Adventure 2, Escape From the City by Jun Senouse and Ted Poley, contains the line 'got to live and learn'. This correlates directly to Live and Learn by Crush 40, the iconic final boss theme. Clearly this can only mean SEGA's development team was divinely inspired.
The true grift is making innocuous Christian coded content that is so shiny and dumb that it reaches way more eyeballs as covert rage bait than meets its ostensible target audience. Reverse Evangelical Trojan horse. Remember flipping channels in the old days, stumbling on TBN (the God channel as I called it) and wasting countless minutes just scoffing at the gross and absurd display of absolute bullshit and hypnotism? Imagine if they were able to directly monetize that viewership - that’s today’s trip with tight-tee ✝️ik✝️ok “have you heard this” charisma feedback loop
With how much he's banging on about the bible you'd think he'd actually read the damn thing and discover how wrong he is
Well It wasnt written by a single human. Not even the gospels that supposedly was written by individuals were written or made up by the same person.
Just wait until this guy sees a phone book.
It's pretty easy to make connections to things you've seen, heard, or read before... Especially when the authors aren't alive to contradict you
To be fair, the Lord Of The Rings fandom is much more chill than the Bible fandom.
At most they fight over whether Balrogs have wings.
So confidently incorrect
https://www.lyingforjesus.org/Bible-Contradictions/
This needs to be posted in r/confidentlyincorrect.
Wait till bro finds out about of a song of fire and ice
There are levels of stupid. He speedruns them all
The Bible is full of contradictions 😂
There's even a graphic, very similar to the one this guy cites, indicating the hundreds of contradictions in the bible.
If you’re trying to explain this then you simply haven’t absorbed the absolute brilliance, intelligence and pure language mastery Tolkien possessed.
He invented multiple languages and with perfect consistency gave us a story that will transcend generations with a message so complex and so simple it reaches every soul in this mad world.
Is that actually map of connections in the Bible?
Homestuck constantly references and calls back to itself. That must mean everything in it has occurred and Andrew Hussie is a prophet.
https://preview.redd.it/nh730do5riag1.jpeg?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8153fdaace1b1d3657e775cb53f9e9abc6bb4c3
Homestuck constantly references and calls back to itself. That must mean everything in it has occurred and Andrew Hussie is a prophet.
same graphic with all the contradictions in the bible
Is the council of nicea a joke to you?!?
So I guess The First Council of Nicaea is long overdue for an editing Pulitzer?
Of course, stories are self-referential. That's the whole point of it being a story! The beginning should connect to the middle and end. Otherwise, it's just a list.
That literally looks like the image of all the contradictions.
Yup, right here: https://www.lyingforjesus.org/Bible-Contradictions/
Ive seen that arc diagram referenced as a contradiction linkage. One of these statements has to be true. and, if lifes taught me anything. A victim of organized religion is going to pick thru the faults of its system alot more thoroughly than a blissfully complacent beneficiary of its patriarchal narrative
Alot of Christians are more likely to find god in a potato chip or a piece of oddly burnt toast rather than self criticism in a verse directly out of the book they live and die by.
He does know Muslims make similar claims about the Quran, right?
60k connections? tf are they defining as a connection?
The word “God” lol
God didn't come down and write the bible. Yet people like this, and many Christians, act like he did.
If there is a god, they don't care about petty bullshit like the bible suggests and aren't involved in human affairs.
My dissertation was divinely inspired by how often I cited myself.
It seems like other religions are now catching up to islam’s claims of scriptural divinity, zero contradictions and so on.
Bible: https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/first/contra2_list.html
Quran: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Contradictions_in_the_Quran
Religious nutjobs always have the same arguement about their holy book beinf divinely inspired.
One person? the books are named after the apostles who contributed their writing. This comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible and its editions.
No contridictions???
Song of Solomon 8:6 - "Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm, for love is strong as death, jealousy is fierce as the grave"
But!
Exodus 34:14 - "For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God"
Exodus20:5 - "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me"
Sooo.... Jealousy is a sin, but God is Jealous, but also sinless?
Yea but who’s the publisher and editor
I still dont understand how connections between folk tales = proof of sky daddy.
The whole point of these stories is that before they were written down they were passed on through word of mouth and storry telling they would have been some of the most well known storys in the region its hardly suprising that they reference each other.
Ah yes, the classic " connections " metric. Can't ever forget to judge the quality of text by its " connections ".
I think I read 4k folks worked on Red Dead Redemption 1&2. It was also 100 years after it all happened.
Zzzzzzzzzz snort cough zzzzzz.....
He clearly hasn't ever played a dnd campaign
Ngl when I see the references chart, it reminds me of how in episode 4-6 of star wars we have darth Vader being anakin and in episode 1 we have a reference to anakin being the boy on tatooine. Like references doesnt necessarily mean anything.
First of all show me the research that was done to make that little rainbow graphic. Naked assertion!
Marvel comics has even MORE cross references, MORE authors, and claims to have been written by God (Jack Kirby). In fact, it’s anthology is so huge that we haven’t yet even attempted to make a Marvel Bible out of it yet
Exactly forty guys, people.
Doesn’t that imply a buttload of plagiarism?
The Bible was not written by one person. Even the people that believe in it know that.
https://preview.redd.it/o7cv7ddv4mag1.jpeg?width=2220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7923b4a811c2907f06448fc5a6a8b3c802da869b
Christian's can talk all day 'about' the bible but are super reluctant to discuss straight ahead content. Overcomplicating what is essentially a bunch of religious texts that were soundly disproven 100s of year ago.
Lmao going off his “evidence,” everyone from Tolkien and Stephen King to Nora Roberts, Anne Rice and all the crossover fanfic writers are prophets of some god.
I hate people who actively choose to be this kind of stupid.
Dude these modern comic books have ancient Gods that reference stories from thousands of years ago, clearly they're from a higher intelligence!
Yes LOTR was Devine
Have you read War and Peace. There's some connections. On another level these books were written hundreds of years after Jesus died. They were not in English. They were revised many many times and then a group of old men in Rome decided what books to keep and what books made them uncomfortable, and got rid of. Please people, people who never read or heard of the Bible had civilized societies that took better care of each other than we do.
I would love to see how vague and how much of a stretch a bunch of these “connections” are. “This early part of the Bible mentions wine, and so does this part at the end of the Bible!”
I feel dumber having watched that
The ironic part?
1: If i ask 40 people to write a book over the course of 1500 years, do you seriously think they would not have access to the earlier works?
2: You can find another diagram that looks extremely similar to this one showing all the contradictions.
Talking donkey, talking snake, happens once and we never reference either creature again. Man lives in a fish for 3 days, never referenced again, woman becomes salt, never referenced again. No one happened to stumble across Noah's ark, a random pillar of salt, none of that in the rest of the book.
It wasn't like Timothy was just strolling along and saw Noah's ark. You'd swear that would be an artifact that would have been preserved for generations.