It would be a pretty stupid move anyway, they needed to spend earlier and fucked themselves hard, we needed power badly and got none and bichette isn’t a big power guy and can’t defend at all.
Bregman is also not a big power guy, like the exit velocities are only going to get worse and his are already worse than Bichettes.
I also think Bo's defensive inbility is a bit overblown. He's not good, no, but he's also not going to play SS here. He could be an okay 2B or even 3B if they have the brain to put Mayer at short.
I do agree power lacking is a problem, but Bichette is about a 20 HR guy and the pickings in f/a we're slim... The only legit 30 HR guy this offseason was Alonso.
Bichette and Contreras are two 20 HR guys, Story hit 25 and Anthony should be above 20 and then you could argue about someone like Abreu who hit 20 last year. We lack one big time power bat admittedly but it's not as big as just not having enough good hitters.
I forgot Schwarber was a f/a but to be fair it felt like he was always going back to the Phillies.
Suarez I guess, but I'm iffy on his projections going forward, Bichette has better hard hit rates, xSLG and better exit velos. His profile is perfect for Fenway though, but he's just too old tbh.
I didn’t say anything about that or that those guys were worth paying. It’s just simply incorrect to say that Alonso was the only 30+ HR guy this free agency.
I don't think he's necessarily as good a fit here, and the way this offseason has been going, it seems likely someone else will give him more than we're offering.
Only thing I can say is the the FO has an immense amount of pressure on their shoulders, hope the fans and the media trash them into springing into action
Not every free agent is the right one and I understand wanting to avoid bad contracts, but the free agents they would pay are a rarity and will always get attention from multiple suitors
Two months ago this subreddit was like “as long as we get at least one of Alonso or Schwarber I’ll be happy, assuming we bring back Bregman of course.”
Bold of you to assume Romy will play second when we have a gold glove center fielder who can easily play serviceable 2B. Why would we NOT take our best defender out of his best position? Bres’ computer model (chatGPT) told him to do it.
And people said Dombrowski did the same here, but all time has proved was that he kept the right guys and added more talent to the system while being aggressive in building the team.
The Phillies will eventually need a little bit of a reset. But that's the cost of competing for championships.
You wouldn't want to watch Bryce Harper, Trea Turner,and Kyle Schwarber play for you team and take the Sox deep in the playoffs while having Schwarber in the MVP race?
Instead of watching the people you listed you get to watch David Hamilton and Nick Sogard. Every single team has underperforming players at least the Phillies have stars with serious talent
I wish that our front office and fanbase would understand that sometimes you have to throw an extra 6-7 mil a year to get free agents. The difference between 28 and 35 mil a year on payroll ain’t shit.
Like oh no we can’t do shit like pay Patrick Sandoval and James Paxton to rehab from TJ anymore what a shame
They understand it just fine, but they refuse to actually do it. They think the rest of the world should run on their model and act surprised when it doesn’t
Theo traded Nomar for Orlando Cabrera and Doug M. Who were two gold glove fielders at SS and 1B respectively. He was able to upgrade our pitching by drastically improving our defense without acquiring any pitching. It's crazy that Breslow is collecting pitcher after pitcher and doing absolutely nothing to improve the defense.
Wow and what are we paying him to do, stay silent as a mouse while we let the offseason get away from us with merely a couple of mediocre add ons as we slip down the AL East?
I got confused by Doug M for a second. Thought you were talking about Doug Mirabelli. Then I realized which Doug M you were talking about and I haven’t got a clue how to spell it either.
Errors? You have to have gotten a glove near the ball to get scored an error. No my friend, the Sox will allow the most grounders for single this season.
FUCK this is so embarrassing. We piss off Raffy for half a year of Breggy just to try and sign Bo Bichette? Who doesn’t even match half of those two guys production AHHHHHHH BRESLOW YOU FUCKING STIFF
everyone glad we didn’t sign bregman because of the cost is gonna have their head explode when they see how much we’re gonna have to pay bichette with no leverage
Sox will sign someone, but it'll be like bregman last year - whoever isn't signed yet and is desperate to play will accept a low years high average pay prove it contract in spring training.
Might not be someone who even plays a position the sox need to fill.
FSG is aggressively anti-player. See devers trade; the ticky tacky bregman contract. They have a reputation now that may affect them as a destination for FAs.
Our sights aren't worth shit. I better not hear that our sights are "aggressive", either.
Subtract Devers and Bregman from your lineup. Slot in Willson Contreras.
Remember when we traded Rafael Devers to free up all that money to spend on some big bats? If we land Bichette tomorrow, we're still down a massive hole from either one of the two hitters we just failed to replace entirely. Next year's team will be worse offensively than last year's team. Do any of you think that moves the needle in the postseason?
Hopefully! I like Bichette's age but Breggy had that intangible leadership. A young team like this needs as much of that as possible. I really thought Bregman was coming back.
The Red Sox are not signing anyone. Henry wants a salary cap. The current CBA ends this year. It seems like the owners will be pushing for a cap with the next CBA. They’ll most likely be a strike next season because the players don’t want it.
Our new 2B is Cedanne. Period. Clears up the outfield. That’s how Craig justifies not trading either Duran or Abreu. Masa will be our DH till Casas remembers how to hit a baseball.
Yeah sure they will. If they were serious they would have signed him or any of the free agents. Just a another bunch of crap from this cheap organization that still gets fans to show up
Just stop it there is 0 chance they pay for Bichette. Piece of shit ownership that’s happy to just collect their money and finish 3rd or 4th in the division.
I don’t think this was the best free agent class to fit their needs. I know I’m in the minority but I don’t love Alonso. I did want bregman back but now I don’t want them to go overpay for Bo just so they can say they got someone. Who knows what will happen 3 months into the season. Maybe someone will become available. What am I missing?
I've been pretty critical of Bichette - mainly because I thought Bregman was a better player, but they absolutely have to get a deal done here. If the Boston Redsox go an entire offseason in what is supposed to be a championship window without signing a FA, it's time to riot.
i’m ready to aggressively lowball bo and for him to sign with philly
The front office are such good lowballers they put people on facebook marketplace to shame lol
“I’ll give you 2 grand below asking and you have to drop it off here” is how Breslow buys a project car on fb
Is this still available? No he signed with the cubs
Lowball offer that would’ve gotten it done 6 weeks ago if Breslow had a spine.
I would fucking hope so Bob
It would be a pretty stupid move anyway, they needed to spend earlier and fucked themselves hard, we needed power badly and got none and bichette isn’t a big power guy and can’t defend at all.
Bregman is also not a big power guy, like the exit velocities are only going to get worse and his are already worse than Bichettes.
I also think Bo's defensive inbility is a bit overblown. He's not good, no, but he's also not going to play SS here. He could be an okay 2B or even 3B if they have the brain to put Mayer at short.
I do agree power lacking is a problem, but Bichette is about a 20 HR guy and the pickings in f/a we're slim... The only legit 30 HR guy this offseason was Alonso.
Bichette and Contreras are two 20 HR guys, Story hit 25 and Anthony should be above 20 and then you could argue about someone like Abreu who hit 20 last year. We lack one big time power bat admittedly but it's not as big as just not having enough good hitters.
I agree with most of your comment here but let’s not pretend that Schwarber snd Suarez aren’t legit 30+ HR guys
I forgot Schwarber was a f/a but to be fair it felt like he was always going back to the Phillies.
Suarez I guess, but I'm iffy on his projections going forward, Bichette has better hard hit rates, xSLG and better exit velos. His profile is perfect for Fenway though, but he's just too old tbh.
And 200+ strikeouts. Wonderful.
I didn’t say anything about that or that those guys were worth paying. It’s just simply incorrect to say that Alonso was the only 30+ HR guy this free agency.
You totally stole my thunder - well done!
Is anyone really falling for this?
There’s absolutely no chance they are paying for Bo Bichette. Like zero.
Yeah I am not buying this either. He reportedly wants $300m. They are not going to get anywhere near that.
I don't think anyone's going to give him $300M, but I'm assuming he'll top $200M
I don't think he's necessarily as good a fit here, and the way this offseason has been going, it seems likely someone else will give him more than we're offering.
Most likely
Only thing I can say is the the FO has an immense amount of pressure on their shoulders, hope the fans and the media trash them into springing into action
Not every free agent is the right one and I understand wanting to avoid bad contracts, but the free agents they would pay are a rarity and will always get attention from multiple suitors
They could have easily afforded to overpay Bregman by $5m a year for a few years. I don't really get them letting him walk.
They likely have an internal model and they stick to it
They simply didn't want to pay Bregman $35M at age-37
Oh, I'm sure. Well, we'll see how that works out.
I don't think the contract is great per se, but coupled with the Devers trade and the loss of leverage in the FA/trade market, it's not good lol
We will see what happens
This. Yet they still haven’t realized that you don’t win if you build your team solely off of the model.
They will offer him the same “aggressive” offer they gave to Bregman and throw their hands up when he accepts $100M more elsewhere.
You know people are and they’ll be all pissed off when we don’t get him.
Anyone who still falls for FSG’s bullcrap only has themselves to blame.
Well yeah, they should be pissed when we don't sign him. They just shouldn't be surprised. This ownership group doesn't care.
Falling for what? They are going to aggressively call Bichette’s agent and offer short years, low money, and a coupon for discounted duck buck tours.
Two months ago this subreddit was like “as long as we get at least one of Alonso or Schwarber I’ll be happy, assuming we bring back Bregman of course.”
And now its "i didnt want bregman anyways, why are you all complaining"
Fucking bootlickers. All of em.
Sure, but if the sub knew Wilson Contreras was available he would have been the centerpiece of the offseason plan.
This franchise is embarrassing
Will we make an aggressive offer for Bichette too?
lol no
And any leverage we had is now gone lmao
He’s gotta be getting 35m too at the very least if Bregman got it
Bichette isn’t a Boras guy. Only reason I’m slightly optimistic.
Being said, Breslow’s cowardice just tacked $10-$12MM AAV to Bichette’s min bid. Romy Gonzales is our 2026 2B.
Breslow is a fucking idiot.
Bold of you to assume Romy will play second when we have a gold glove center fielder who can easily play serviceable 2B. Why would we NOT take our best defender out of his best position? Bres’ computer model (chatGPT) told him to do it.
Dombrowski is going for Bo. He won’t be outbid.
Man, I wish we had a guy like him in charge... 🙄
To be fair phillys roster is getting old as fuck and has suffered some god awful contracts
At least they try to win, I’d rather a FO that cares and messes up occasionally than one that doesn’t even try
And people said Dombrowski did the same here, but all time has proved was that he kept the right guys and added more talent to the system while being aggressive in building the team.
The Phillies will eventually need a little bit of a reset. But that's the cost of competing for championships.
Yeah, but feels like we aren't really trying now. Betting on draft picks and retreads to be more economical just sucks. Much less fun.
Oh 100% if you aren’t overpaying a bit for the veteran 3B who your entire team loved what the fuck are we doing
Our roster is younger but much less talented overall and at least the Phillies fans get to watch top tier talent in their park
Respectfully, I am not envious of watching Nick Castellanos, Taijuan Walker, and Aaron Nola, plus the aging contracts of Harper and Turner
You wouldn't want to watch Bryce Harper, Trea Turner,and Kyle Schwarber play for you team and take the Sox deep in the playoffs while having Schwarber in the MVP race?
Instead of watching the people you listed you get to watch David Hamilton and Nick Sogard. Every single team has underperforming players at least the Phillies have stars with serious talent
5 years, 5mil AAV and you can sleep in the park-
John Henry probably
Cope. They aren't doing shit
I wish that our front office and fanbase would understand that sometimes you have to throw an extra 6-7 mil a year to get free agents. The difference between 28 and 35 mil a year on payroll ain’t shit.
Like oh no we can’t do shit like pay Patrick Sandoval and James Paxton to rehab from TJ anymore what a shame
They understand it just fine, but they refuse to actually do it. They think the rest of the world should run on their model and act surprised when it doesn’t
Going to lead the league in errors again.
Theo traded Nomar for Orlando Cabrera and Doug M. Who were two gold glove fielders at SS and 1B respectively. He was able to upgrade our pitching by drastically improving our defense without acquiring any pitching. It's crazy that Breslow is collecting pitcher after pitcher and doing absolutely nothing to improve the defense.
Who's paying Theo these days and for what?
He works for FSG
Wow and what are we paying him to do, stay silent as a mouse while we let the offseason get away from us with merely a couple of mediocre add ons as we slip down the AL East?
I got confused by Doug M for a second. Thought you were talking about Doug Mirabelli. Then I realized which Doug M you were talking about and I haven’t got a clue how to spell it either.
Errors? You have to have gotten a glove near the ball to get scored an error. No my friend, the Sox will allow the most grounders for single this season.
Just stop.
I doubt it
Breslow outbidding Dombroski? lol no
FUCK this is so embarrassing. We piss off Raffy for half a year of Breggy just to try and sign Bo Bichette? Who doesn’t even match half of those two guys production AHHHHHHH BRESLOW YOU FUCKING STIFF
Bo definitely matches Bregmans production, probably even outdoes it besides the power, but we won’t get him either don’t worry
I’m not worrying, he definitely matches offensive production but defense he’s ass lmao
Maybe we can trade for Devers, he’d be a good bat for Fenway and I think we actually drafted him
But who could we give up? Kyle Harrison, Jordan Hicks and James Tibbs III. The giants would be insane to accept that
And we don’t even have James Tibbs, cause we traded him for Dustin May!
Surely he must still be on the roster!
May or Tibbs lmfao
Yes
They should be! May could be our third baseman and we can put Tibbs as our number 2 guy behind Crochet
International signing, but yes I agree he’d be awesome at Fenway lmao
No tf we will not lol. If we’re not willing to “overpay” for a star, we’re never getting a star ever again
I’m sure they will leak that they were aggressive, not sign him, and then sign a platoon guy on a 1 year deal
Bo is definitely about to bend over and take our 3/80 offer or whatever moronic offer we have on the table.
everyone glad we didn’t sign bregman because of the cost is gonna have their head explode when they see how much we’re gonna have to pay bichette with no leverage
They won't have to because we won't sign anyone
I’ll save you the suspense: they won’t get him.
Raffys gotta be cracking up at this joke of a franchise lol
The giants fucking suck lol
Yeah, maybe they’ll trade him back to us for Harrison and Hicks. We’ll tell him we’re sorry
Full throttle, aggressive offer, interest at an all time high.
Watch us not sign Bichette and turn our sights on Geno
The only geno we have a chance of getting is geno smith
🥀
And not signing anyone ultimately
Sox will sign someone, but it'll be like bregman last year - whoever isn't signed yet and is desperate to play will accept a low years high average pay prove it contract in spring training.
Might not be someone who even plays a position the sox need to fill.
Nope. They ain’t spending a dime. Anthony gonna be traded too in a year or two.
No they wont
Hang on, I can see the future......future.......future......
"We made what we feel was an aggressive offer to the player."
Yeah, sure they will.
I almost don’t even want to say the “ok if they get Bo then give them credit” because it’s just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Sign bregman and piss off Raffy just to trade him and let Bregman walk, fucking hate our front office
I'm sure they have a very reasonable 3 year deal with year 4/5 opt ins prepared. Fucking lol.
FSG is aggressively anti-player. See devers trade; the ticky tacky bregman contract. They have a reputation now that may affect them as a destination for FAs.
Now?
This has been an issue since they traded away mookie.
BREAKING: yeah fucking right Bob
Our sights aren't worth shit. I better not hear that our sights are "aggressive", either.
Subtract Devers and Bregman from your lineup. Slot in Willson Contreras.
Remember when we traded Rafael Devers to free up all that money to spend on some big bats? If we land Bichette tomorrow, we're still down a massive hole from either one of the two hitters we just failed to replace entirely. Next year's team will be worse offensively than last year's team. Do any of you think that moves the needle in the postseason?
Henry fucked us again.
SELL THE TEAM
NO THEY WONT STOP WRITING THESE STUPID ARTICLES
They’ll offer something absurd like 5/100.
They won't sign him, but they will turn their sights to him, and that's all we can really expect at this point
Stop giving John Henry your money. That's all.
We will have to go the same AAV as bregman but for 7 years
Give me a break. Might as well just say they’re trading for Ohtani. Same odds.
Sure, Jan
I assumed it was a done deal for the Phillies when Mattingly was hired there a few days ago. They’re probably just finalizing things.
and i will turn my sights on becoming a billionaire. both probably dont happen
I can’t wait to negotiate back and forth to get him a great deal with Philadelphia.
Not falling for this, thank you. 🙏
Nobody seriously believes this right?
This front office wouldn’t pay for fucking Dante Bichette right now
Do I get to announce they're daily interest tweet or is there a sign up sheet somewhere?
lmao ok
Dude the Sox are ran by the most incompetent BUMS
No they don’t lol
Hey I’ve seen this one. “We made an aggressive offer for Bo” followed by 5 more “Red Sox Interested In _____ “ headlines… I’m tired boss
Yeah at the price he reportedly wants? I fucking doubt it. Had a better player locked up for years and traded him.
Honestly, I COULD see them overspending on him because of his age and the fact that they’re starting to really get backed into a corner.
They’ll rationalize the back half of the contract being age 31-34 vs 34-37.
It won’t happen.
He won’t sign in Boston. Don’t try and hype us up for yet another letdown.
So... we're overpaying for Suarez?
Yup
SUUURRREEEEEE
Thank god for the Patriots
You misspelled not sign.
Congrats Philly
No shit, Bob.
Hopefully! I like Bichette's age but Breggy had that intangible leadership. A young team like this needs as much of that as possible. I really thought Bregman was coming back.
Bo is always injured
ugh yuck
What a joke this organization has become! Fuck Henry and all his stooges
Ok buddy
We are in a way too desperate a position now and lost all leverage. His agent knows it.
And we'll whiff on him too.
LMAO it’s Bob so believe the exact opposite of whatever that goof says
They won’t open a checkbook though so what does it matter
Full throttle interest kings!!!!
LMAO
O/U Feb 1 to find out Bichette goes to Philly
We were going to definitely get 2-3 impact bats.
Yeah ok
Yep they are going to pay the man and assets to get Bichette guys. For sure. No doubt.
And now they KNOW you need him. They are FUCKED
So we’re going to have to pay Bo even more now because we lost leverage with Bergman going to Chicago, right?
I’ll take one for the team boys….
I’ll drive Bo to Philly
Hahahaha he's going to demand a Devers level contract.
Lol, no they wont
Which means they're not signing him. He'll end up with either NYY or LAD.
Bo wants $300,000,000. Lmao. We aren't doing shit.
fuck off, not gonna happen.
If you guys fall for this one too you truly are a lost cause
No, they won't.
They won't get him
No they’re not
lol couldn’t pay Breggy, we can’t afford Bitchette
… Only to lose him because we cheap out there too.
Sure they will
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And their sights will see him sign with another team
Why?
lol sure
I’m sure news of an aggressive offer is imminent!
You’re going to fall for it again
The Red Sox are not signing anyone. Henry wants a salary cap. The current CBA ends this year. It seems like the owners will be pushing for a cap with the next CBA. They’ll most likely be a strike next season because the players don’t want it.
I give up at this point. Also we all know we aren't signing Bo, or any other FA. Fuck the ownership.
So glad I canceled nesn
Our new 2B is Cedanne. Period. Clears up the outfield. That’s how Craig justifies not trading either Duran or Abreu. Masa will be our DH till Casas remembers how to hit a baseball.
I suspect it will be Suárez
Deffo cause its less ext, i.e. CHEAPER.
Breslow is just a scapegoat for our cheap, complacent, and incompetent ownership
Our offer will be 70+ million dollars below whatever he signs for
Wish fanduel gave odds for this cuz id bet all my money on it
Yeah sure they will. If they were serious they would have signed him or any of the free agents. Just a another bunch of crap from this cheap organization that still gets fans to show up
John Henry must have put a mandate out to not spend any money in FA unless it's a 25% discount on player value
LOL Dombrowski vs Breslow........We know who the fucking stiff is here
Yeah yeah yeah. Here we go again. Cheap bastards.
Just stop it there is 0 chance they pay for Bichette. Piece of shit ownership that’s happy to just collect their money and finish 3rd or 4th in the division.
And we won’t sign him either.
Cool. Excited for the teams offer to finish anywhere from 3-5 with him
I’ll make sure to not get my hopes up because I know there’s no way they’re going to sign a top tier free agent who’s seeking big $$$ and years.
And then not sign him…
Oh, they’ll look at him, alright. Walking away
He’ll end up in Philly by Wednesday after Henry makes an “aggressive” offer
I don’t think this was the best free agent class to fit their needs. I know I’m in the minority but I don’t love Alonso. I did want bregman back but now I don’t want them to go overpay for Bo just so they can say they got someone. Who knows what will happen 3 months into the season. Maybe someone will become available. What am I missing?
We will mess that up too….
Mfkers gonna offer 5 years, $10 and a dunkin donut and say "We were outbid at the end" 🤣
They effing better!
They should..but will they?
In my heart of hearts I just knew they’d miss out on both Bregman and Bichette and would have to settle for plan C or D.
I’d love to see them prove me wrong on Bichette but I’m not counting on it.
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As the great Kieth Yandle says Sonk
I've been pretty critical of Bichette - mainly because I thought Bregman was a better player, but they absolutely have to get a deal done here. If the Boston Redsox go an entire offseason in what is supposed to be a championship window without signing a FA, it's time to riot.
At this point, just have Mayer play 3rd, Ceddanne 2nd, Duran center. Then trade/sign for someone at the deadline.
Bichette doesn’t move the meter much more than what ^ would produce IMO.