• Open resume.

    CTRL+C.

    Tab over to application.

    CTRL+V.

    Add 🖕to the last line.

    The whole "do not write see resume" thing just tells me they know their application process is redundant bullshit but instead of fixing it they're just going to threaten applicants into compliance. cool cool cool

    They are just using some crappy AI system that doesn't work well with files

    Then they should be happy with the output from a “summarise my resume” ai prompt?!

    It’s so they can search resume details in their ATS system. If they have 500 resumes but the job requires someone with c# experience, then they will want to look at people who listed c# on their resume.

    Yes, it is annoying. But to not do it is to literally shoot yourself in the foot with the incredibly high volume of applications each job posting gets nowadays.

    can't they just ctr+f c#? Who's the dumb one here me or them?

    Most people submit pdfs which are often read completely incorrectly by ats. If you put “c#” into your off the ats might read it as “c #” and render it useless.

    If your system can't read pdf, then you shouldn't accept pdf as a file format.

    From a technical standpoint there is not a single system that can reliably read PDFs as it is all just OCR, which as Xerox found out is only accurate to some degree.

    It's only ocr if you made a photo of your resume. Pdfs made from actual text are indexable, as are docx (docs as well but it's a closed format). There can be issues with odd converters where it puts spaces between characters but most docx to pdf converters don't have this issue. 

    Well thats what they are doing no? They accept the complete resume as pdf but want specific data in a plain text format.

    That's precisely what they are doing. In the UK recruitment agencies that most companies use for first stage interview screening are completely palaeolithic.

    A couple of years ago, I was reviewing the application process for a massive listed US based tech company that required you to upload the CV in pdf, and then again in plain text format and then ask you to fill in a form with all the details that their automated "ai" system couldn't properly place or comprehend.

    I raised it as an extremely annoying and inefficient design and as one of the reasons they can't hire as fast as they would like since a lot of candidates lost interest in the process. Tech talent hates inefficiency and tend to be extremely selective as to where to spend their time.

    The engineering managers and the local HR department were fully onboard but the US department was like: "We use this company for global talent, and pay them to handle the process". So in short they won't do anything about it .

    Can't you just...also sesrch for "c #" then? It's not like monkeys and type-writers, there's not really another context for that stuff.

    It's not like monkeys and type-writers

    Have you met people in charge of hiring / HR stuff?!

    You can easily automate this even without being a programmer now.

    The real reason, as always, is that they have no idea who to actually hire. So they just toss on endless bull shit filters.

    No, anyone will tell you the professional way to upload a resume is PDF format. If I were going through resumes and I saw that one was uploaded as a .doc, I would assume they lack very basic computer skills

    Meanwhile as a hiring manager, I only see the resume... after HR has already down selected candidates based on their limited understanding of the job description. Annoying all-around

    I agree that it's usually better to follow their instructions, because you have lower chances of getting the job otherwise.

    Some companies have an "uploading your resume automatically fills in some fields" system though. They should be able to extract data/profile information automatically if they have a similar system.

    I guess maybe only the companies that don't have such a system ask the question in the original post?

    I was a recruiter for a while, when I was doing it, most of the systems weren't good enough to scan all formats and such.

    Just about every applicant has a different resume style.

    It sucks, but very few scanned them well. Maybe it's gotten better.

    My exp was with Greenhouse and Bullhorn.

    Hey do you think nowadays we are better off with crappy formats that scan well but read as long-winded?

    For example I used to take pride in jamming 10 years experience onto 1 page ("the minimalist" approach, where experience is summarized and each word is carefully chosen for easy reading by a human being)

    However maybe rethinking this - should I just "maximalize" my resume and let it spill onto 3 pages where each and every task and achievement is recorded? But ensure they scan well and score points with the machines.

    I honestly dont know. I havent been in recruiting since 2023, which normally isn't a lot, but with how quickly these companies try to advance, for better or for worse, I have no idea what they're using.

    Plus, every company is different.

    Best bet is to always use active voice, with real results where you can manage to do so, and go from there.

    Oh! I appreciate your real-world insight. That's better than any speculation from people who (like me) are uninformed and can only make guesses.

    Yeah. I promise, it sucks for recruiters too. Most of whom are just trying to make a living too. A lot are irritating, but they're just cogs in the same machine

    So, I'll put in resumes for jobs and I'll get calls or emails asking me to send them a current one. This used to piss me off but I had a thought the other day, what if my resume matched enough key words but the reader just fucked up the formatting or something and they just want the complete copy so I give benefit of the doubt on that one now

    My experience with the autofill is that it’s still going to fuck up addresses, dates, etc

    Still gotta proof read everything before submitting

    So it may not be totally like this. At my work your application must match your resume. But before we can see your resume you need to tell us about you, and it redacts personal info so we don't have any bias or cherry pick applicants. Doing this to each resume automatically would be difficult so we require applicants to do fill out the info.

    Then go find a better fucking system.

    When you have that many hoops to jump through, the only applications you are getting are from applicants desperate enough to jump through all of them because they need literally anything. If all you want is warm bodies, that's fine but if you want talent, people with talent and good resumes pass on those bullshit redundant systems because why would you waste extra time on those ones when you have plenty other options?

    We have few jobs that pay under six figures, and we don't even pay that well considering. Copying and pasting the info from your resume into a text box, so we can ensure we aren't having bias against someone's name, gender, or anything else that can be considered to be biased against isn't hoops.

    What system would you propose that takes also the info from your resume (out of the many file formats it may be and in who knows what location in the document) outputs it into a text file for me completely redacting your name, all of your contact info, dates or any other identifying information.

    Oh I need it to be really accurate as well like, if it's not accurate someone who really needs a job won't get it because it messed up some formatting and I have 200 resumes to get through.

    Or can the applicant do it? They are the only person motivated enough to ensure the data is correct, they are the best person to fill in the blanks since they were very familiar with the subject matter.

    I understand your frustration I'm not in HR I'm just a dude who has to hire people every now and again. But like trust me entering in the info is much much better than just submitting a resume and letting their software interpret what it wants to interpret.

    CTRL+A before CTRL+C for full measure

    If I could also reply to this silliness in bold 36-pt font I would

    But they want you to copy your CV and job description into LLM and get response out of it.

    More like CTRL+A & CTRL-C, open chat gpt and CTRL+V, put in prompt “summarize my resume in 4-5 brief sentences for a job application”, CTRL-A and CTRL-V into job app.

    and for good measure, change a few of the words and structure so it doesn't get flagged as an AI response

    And in the resume, write "See question: Describe your experience as it relates to this position. Do not write see resume"

    Then wait for the rejection email and act shocked that you weren’t even invited for an interview.

    Preface this by "As per my resume," 

    Check out currilum vitae

  • I’m curious: why don’t they look at the resume?

    they want you to save them the effort of reading your resume

    But don’t they have to read what I write on their fill in box?

    This seems like a monumental waste of time for everyone involved.

    No this is like the preview of the cover letter for your cover letter.

    Yo dawg, I heard you like cover letters….

    This practice is from a time before AI and is meant to allow you search and filter through CVs. Also probably great for stats. Nowadays with LLMs it's probably more because of the technical inability of HR.

    Resume. Summary. Work history form to summarize the rest of your resume. Cover letter. Summary to the cover letter. Three rounds of interviews to explain all of this for median pay.

    It's the most efficient way we can think of doing it!

    As with all AI, but this time flipped:

    If you couldn't be bothered to read it, why should I be bothered to write it?

    I think the next time for my resume to be easier to digest I’ll record a tiktok with key points expressed as humorous sketches, filled with memes and goofy sounds and a subway surfer for the half of the screen

    Honesty why even bother with a resume if you have to manually enter everything in anyway

    AI can read these blocks better than whatever screwed up formatting most people do on their resumes.

    I sent my resume with 15 years of Communications/Marketing experience through an AI check and it came back that I was a professional house painter with three years of experience.

    I knew I might have some formatting issues at that point.

    Or maybe the "AI" has some issues

    All the HR/Recruiting AI systems have issues.

    You still have to figure out how to make them happy so you can get to actual people unfortunately.

    Making the resume as simple as possible seems to have worked well for me.

    Get rid of your photo, any unnecessary 'fluff' information, text formatting as simple as possible, single-column layout, no side bars.

    Massively increased the amount of actual people I get to talk to.

    There's probably some extra optimizations you can make if you feel like putting the extra effort (keywords and the like) but I can't be bothered to edit my resume for every company I apply to. The energy spent IMO is better spent on just looking for more jobs to apply to.

    On top of that, I actually created a completely stripped resume. It has key value pairs on it like “Company: Name; Title: Title;” etc.

    That is save as a word doc and it looks extremely boring. I use it when sites want you to upload a resume so they can automatically fill in their fields. It fills them like a charm perfectly.

    Then I remove that file and attach the formatted one. Easy and I don’t have to worry about it not being able to read my nice looking one.

    That sounds like a pretty nice trick, may have to make something like that myself.

    This is correct.

    But while you are trying to make it work, it's good for your well-being to keep in mind that the "AI" (and by extension, greedy companies, relying on it) have issues, not you.

    recruiters already had issues. AI just made it worse.

    Why does HR bother using these AI checks if it screws up so bad? Everyone seems to know it’s a problem but refuses to fix the problem by stop using the thing causing the problem.

    It's like a modern version of a joke a coworker told me when we were sifting through piles of resumes to hire once.

    I'm going to divide the pile in two and throw half of them away because we don't want to hire anyone who's unlucky.

    In many companies, it’s basically impossible to get budget for additional headcount, especially in roles perceived as not generating revenue. Much easier to get budget for ‘automation software’, especially if it follows the current fads

    I guess the resume should just be in paragraph form instead of the professional looking resume of the past?

    You have to make sure that it flows correctly in the order you want it in when AI reads it.

    Multiple text boxes can lead it all over the place.

    I make a PDF then feed it into multiple AI's and ask them to summarize my experience.

    One time, it kept telling me that I duplicated my experience. I didn't see it, but there was an old text box hiding behind the background that it was reading that I needed to delete.

    They have you upload your resume so they can sell it to data brokers who want your email and phone number to sell to scammers. The company wants you to put your information into their database so their ats can automatically reject you.

    If I had to guess, for technical positions someone in the industry would understand your resume, but the HR/ATS would not know what it means or how to interpret. It would be gibberish to them.

    That’s 2 extra minutes that HR “professionals” could be spending making TikTok’s or complaining about their divorces. How dare you ask them to do their job.

    it's above a third grade reading level

    because they can't read and expect their employees to also not be able to read so that they dont' ask questions.

    Apparently it's too hard.

  • Say "read resume." Technically you're complying.

    Perhaps "Peruse Curriculum Vitae"

    Shows how much fancy with da'words you bes.

    "Consume feculence" to establish authority.

    "Refer to included documentation"

    RTFM

    (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)

    “As per previous attachment.”

    Or "view resume."

    “See my resume.”

    Not what they prohibited and more specific

    "I have not aquired any additional experience since submitting my resume"

    I always use "Refer to resume"

  • ... If I ever see this I'm not only writing "see resume" but blacklisting the company.

    I literally agree that these companies suck and id type it anyway but…

    10,000 people in this thread could blacklist 1000 companies and not 1 company would ever suffer or notice.

    Cute kitty in your pfp!

  • This does beg the question what even is the purpose of a resume anymore, between AI filters and having to fill out a application with all of the same details, it basically being ignored for its information...

    I keep a full plain text no formatting resume for quick copy paste of each box

    to them printing it 2 min before face to face interview and be suprised what information it does contain. happened to me few times

  • Fill it out, but when it comes time to add a resume, just add one thats blank, except for, in big, bold letters; See Application

    Came here to say this.

  • copy and paste work history from resume into text field. 3500 characters might not fit everything, but they should get the gist

  • Don't write see resume, read resume or anything that helps these smooth brains..

    Instead, write go fuck yourselves.

    100% chance of being successful in life guaranteed.

  • Propose "please peruse my attached curriculum vitae" as a viable alternative

  • This is the laziest recruiting question ever.

    I was a recruiter for a decade - it takes 10 seconds looking at a resume to figure out if somebody is worth talking to for most roles.

    If we need to know things that aren't in the resume, that's what the phone is for. Holy hell.

    Someone posted the other day an "interview" process where they were forced to take AI judged tests, and when they got to a video portion, it played for 5 seconds then cut off with a "INTERVIEW TERMINATED" as the AI decided they failed the video questionnaire without even seeing it.

    A company that is so fucking lazy and lacking any respect for anyone by using AI for an interview process can go sit on a rusty cone wrapped in barbed wire, covered in salt and lemon juice, and spin.

  • That's just where you copy and paste relevant parts of your resume without formatting.

    That's what I works do. I keep a non formatted plain text resume with only carriage returns for exactly this reason

  • My specialty is eliminating unnecessary work and duplication. For example, I have pulled together all the relevant information on how my experience relates to this role in my attached résumé.

    1. Copy resume into ChatGPT
    2. Tell ChatGPT the prompt
    3. Copy output into text box
    4. ????
    5. Profit

    “Using AI to apply to job is bad” say companies using AI to filter candidates

    "noooooo u can't just use our cheese tactic on us that's not fair"

  • Then don’t ask for a resume lol

  • Do all this, jump through every hoop, send in a short video presentation of yourself, do the IQ tests, then get ghosted and have your email address sold to advertisers.

    Then do it all again with the next company that’s “hiring”.

    This is why I always add a +[company] on my Gmail before the @. You still get it, you can block spam to that specific variation of your email, and you know exactly who sold it.

  • I think that ONE question seems reasonable. They're not asking you to list your experience, but rather how it relates to the job in question.

    Now, if they do that for all the other, quite useless, questions, that's a paddlin'.

    Yeah, a brief statement explaining how your experience directly relates to the job is not ridiculous to ask.

    For someone with a slightly unconventional (for the role) history, being able to directly explain like this could even be a really useful question.

  • Put in the box

    "c resumé"

  • my experience is that i have a resume thats why im applying

  • "See attached document....."

  • "resume, one must view"

  • "Refer to CV"

  • Observe currículum vitae

  • Please reference my professional experiences, for which contents are described on my resume.

  • Copy paste your resume into that field

  • “Please direct your attention to my RESUME”

    Or copy paste the entire text of your resume lol

  • Honestly than what’s the point of even sending ur resume ?

  • Please see resume?

  • Please reference resume.

  • Yeah well this question isn’t answered by your resume. This question is asking you to describe to the recruiter how what is listed on your resume relates to the job description, and I wish more job applications would ask this question so that I could make that connection for the recruiter. What you are complaining about is when the application asks you to list your experience after uploading your resume. That is not what this is.

  • Back in the day of paper applications, a candidate didn’t write anything, just clipped their business card to it and scribbled “call me”. We didn’t

    Edit: corrected typo

    "We didn't" 😂

  • Put a link to your resume.

  • "Please view documentation that was requested with this application"

  • Please refer to attached CV requested during the application process.

  • Kindly peruse resume? Scan resume in ATS?

  • Please read CV.

  • "this info can be found on the document you require me to submit"

  • Stupids want everything to be spoonfed yet are unwilling to train the employees..

  • I'd upload a CV with the text: "See my essay in the form below"

  • View Curriculum Vitae

  • "Observe curriculum vitae"

  • So tired of this recruitment bs

  • “We’re too lazy to read your resume.”

  • “View my attached resume” isn’t the same as “see resume”.

  • Their AI doesnt understand that command apparently.

  • Just post your entire resume into the box

  • As per the CV I sent you.

    Seriously though, I think what they really want you to do is to highlight the specific places on your resume you want them to look. Something like "I believe the work I did on project X with Y Corp. is particularly relevant based on requirement Z in the job posting."

  • <sigh>... fine.... "Please refer to resume"

  • it is "GOOD BYE" for me at that stage

  • Fine, then I'll type it.

  • ChatGPT, write a paragraph response to this question. Here is the job ad and my resume.

  • "View Work Experience"

  • Then stop asking us questions that can be answered by seeing our resume

  • The last job I interviewed asked nothing but questions relating to DEI. How have you been able to adapt to a situation where you've worked with people from another background. Tell us about a situation where you were unable to relate to the people you had to work with...

    It was only 5 questions.

    This was for a very technical position in an industrial site where I would NOT be working with ANYONE else.

    I'm very open, speak English and Spanish, have traveled the world and don't judge people for ANYTHING but their character... but... what the fuck?

    "Do you have any questions for us?" Yeah, do you want to ask me anything about my skills, experience or why you think I'm the best person for the job?

    I got the job. Maybe the interview panel sucked? Maybe I was the only qualified applicant? It really threw me off.

    Been there for 5 years and don't talk to anyone. Love the job.

  • Use one of those recipe website strategies: -

    "When I was a child... write 3400 words of irrelevant back story then finish with now you may review my resume."

  • I’ll just copy and paste what’s written on my resume then

  • Say, see attached document.

  • “Our system can’t search your resume automatically. Please play along.”

  • "Observe as is written in attached resume"

  • That’s their way of saying, “this job is gonna make you jump through a million pointless bullshit hoops, so show us you can do that or you’re not even getting to the interview.”

    But also, they’re not asking what your experience is. They’re asking you to explain, in your own words, how that experience taught you things that will be relevant and useful in the new position. If you don’t have the reading comprehension for that, you’re also not getting to the interview.

  • Also, it's grammatically incorrect. It should be "Do not write ''see resume''". Or do they mean "Do not write, see resume"? 🤔 😀

  • Great opportunity to have AI summarize the resume, tweak a bit, copy/paste, done.

  • What is the point of a resume at this point????

  • Amazing how recruiters will give your resume a 10-second review to “save time” but then expect you to write a novel about your experience. It’s not even being lazy — they most likely don’t want to do the research on the job they’re hiring for.

  • “see resume please”

  • ChatGPT…this is my CV and this is the position…write a couple of paragraphs about my relevant experience here

  • "Information requested can be found on attached resume."

    I didn't write "See Resume"

  • I honestly don't get that. The resume has all the info they'd need, and I remade it to be ATS friendly, why do I also need to summarize it in a tiny box?

    I get it, beggars can't be choosers, but my jobless ass would take my chances with skipping this company.

  • II would purposely write “see resume”. What would be fun would be if literally EVERYONE could do that

  • Why HR loves reading fanfiction so much, the fuck is wrong with them.

  • Peep the CV. That would be my answer.

  • "As stated in my resume..." And then just copy paste as much of it as you can.

  • Do not ask for resume then*

  • Brothers and sisters. The time has come for us all to start fighting back against this bullshit.

    We should all fill out this kind of think with "Do your fucking job, read my fucking CV and fucking THINK" or something similar (maybe with less swearing, entirely up to you though). Every single fucking time we see something like this.

    HR droids are the reason things like this, ghost jobs and all the other bullshit exists. They make up all of that shit to make themselves look busy at work so they don't get made redundant. They feel a little tingle in their nether regions when they make us fill out bullshit or when yet another application to a ghost job lands on their desk.

    We need to call this bullshit out by filling out their forms with copy and pasted vitriol and / or bullshit. We need to somehow create a register of ghost jobs and other similar things. Reporting obvious ghost jobs to the job boards would be good too. Report the companies posting them too. If we all work together we can defeat this bullshit. We have to do it for the sake of our collective sanity.

    Fuck these parasites, They can take my applications and shove them up their arses for all I care.

  • It's actually is not that bad of an input field.
    I like this more of an motivational letter (why you want to work here).

  • if i see this i am writing see resume out of spite.

  • “Consult CV”

  • "Please reference the other materials I have provided."

  • "Okay. Look at resume."

    This is not job application advice I'm just unemployed and salty about it

  • “Check resume”. I can follow instructions quite easily.

  • dear op please describe the image content in text field please

  • Great so more AI slop for them to read

  • Type “See Reddit Karma”

  • Not exactly unreasonable - although that should be what you're doing in the cover letter, so the box only really makes sense for people who thought they could apply without applying.

  • Per my resume:

    *Copy and past relevant section.

  • Yo! If you want to see more of my quals just smash that Like, subscribe, and notifications button rq

  • There is an old adage that says 90% of jobs can be taught. 30 years ago employers were looking for a person that fit the company culture that they could train. These days companies are looking for a unicorn to step in and do the job with zero training. Its bullshit.

  • “Review resume”.

  • This is where LLMs are an absolutely wonderful tool to have. 15 seconds and you got a perfect paste into that worthless field

  • I would literally write in “fuck you, see resume” and send it in unfinished.

  • Lazy ass HR people.

  • People are really bad at selling themselves on a Resume. Many times you see something like "cashier - handled cash transactions, providing excellent customer service"

    Completely useless and these blocks give people a chance to explain better

  • “Observe work history”

  • „Please refer to the attached document (vorion_lightbringer_cv.pdf)“

  • Feels they intentionally want to make ppls lives miserable

  • "Oberserve the curriculum vitae".

  • Can you write “Go FUCK yourself”?

  • “View resume attached”.

  • “I would never saddle you with a C resumé, I think it’s an A+! Please read it. “

  • They're right.

    This is a real "see cover letter" response.

  • Resumecopy, paste

  • Use semaphore to say C C V.... not writing .

  • I was elected to lead not read