Generally in the US companies will do whatever they want because the cost of enforcement is extremely high for the claimant. Obviously the government doesn’t care either way. This was probably the US.
Labor law violations are quite literally THE EASIEST things to report and get enforced. If you wanna do the "ahhhhhmerica baaaddddd" thing at least fucking do it where it applies jfc.
The courts will fully ignore that (they have in the past) but yeah, you still need logs of your hours, and the work of filing the complaint with your LnI or equivalent. It's more effort than it's worth.
It is essentially impossible to legally volunteer for a for-profit corporation in the US. A claim that they don't have to pay you because you volunteered would actually just be them admitting fault; take that shit to the bank.
If you want the full nuance, go look up the court case by the Magic: The Gathering volunteer judges against Wizards of the Coast a few years back that gutted pretty much all officially-supported hobby game community organizer programs.
I am assuming this is in the US because "labor" instead of "labour".
Good for you but by the name Sherya I'm assuming this is an Indian company. Sadly they'll 100% find someone else desperate enough for the job. I've had friends who paid money to the company to work internships.
Paying to get internship is a thing in Azerbaijan too. There exists a company just for the sake of it. You pay them, and get to be an "intern" for some months.
It's fucking brutal here too man. Like the internship was part of our undergraduate course so students are essentially forced by these fuckers to pay or else they might not graduate. Luckily I think it's not widespread.
That was my initial thought too. Many of these Indian companies also offer services to get unqualified people low paying Software Engineering jobs by having someone else interview for them. Then, once hired, they pay slave wages while pocketing most of the hourly rate.
In the U.S.:" "I'm sorry, but according to the Fair Labor Standards Act, you have to pay people at least a minimum wage in order for them to provide work. It's against the law for me to work for free, and it's against the law for you to ask me to work for free."
OP, if you are can, get every piece of written documentation about this and report them to the DOL. They'll be foaming at the mouth to take a case like this.
In Switzerland, they almost always have a Probezeit. Often 1 month. Maybe up to 3. That's where you are paid but you can also be let go v easily without going through tedious paperwork if you were a full time contract employee.
Some are much longer. US Federal a government has a 1 year probationary period and upon being promoted to manager a new 1 year probationary period begins.
As someone who has been a manager in the USA, I like this idea. Eventually, I made everyone start working for me through a temp agency. That way we could simply stop the temp work without any tedious paperwork if the person wasn't the right fit.
Good for you for turning it down. I would have left out that last sentence. You never know when you might encounter Shreya or others from this company in future job searches or endeavors, so it’s always best to remain cordial even with the worst s**t show companies.
I’m really over this line of thought. Companies need to treat people with more respect and stop trying to silence everyone when they are the worst. People should be able to speak freely about companies that cause harm. Cordial is acceptance of how they act.
Isn't this illegal in the US anyway?
I dont think its in the US
"Labor" not "Labour", so it'll have to be somewhere US affiliated at least
Illegal in UK and Europe.
Australia?
never seen that down under
Illegal in Australia too
Doesn't mean companies won't try
nope. at least in UK, real company won’t even try: risk is too high.
Generally in the US companies will do whatever they want because the cost of enforcement is extremely high for the claimant. Obviously the government doesn’t care either way. This was probably the US.
Labor law violations are quite literally THE EASIEST things to report and get enforced. If you wanna do the "ahhhhhmerica baaaddddd" thing at least fucking do it where it applies jfc.
It is really hard. I spent more than $80,000 upfront on an employment attorney
Legality seems to be more of a soft suggestion in this country these days vs actual law
Yes.
There being laws in the USA is a long gone tale.
it's only illegal if consequences happen. if a company can keep doing this without having the law fall on them they will.
Its probably fake
There are, in fact, countries that aren't the US.
Wonder if you could have just done that one week trial then sought compensation afterwards. That’s not legal in most places.
Probably, but the “seeking compensation” part might also be work
Yes, true.
Then they argue you signed the contract blah blah blah "You VOLUNTEERED" bs
The courts will fully ignore that (they have in the past) but yeah, you still need logs of your hours, and the work of filing the complaint with your LnI or equivalent. It's more effort than it's worth.
Labor laws generally supersede contracts. Like you can’t contract around minimum wage.
It is essentially impossible to legally volunteer for a for-profit corporation in the US. A claim that they don't have to pay you because you volunteered would actually just be them admitting fault; take that shit to the bank.
If you want the full nuance, go look up the court case by the Magic: The Gathering volunteer judges against Wizards of the Coast a few years back that gutted pretty much all officially-supported hobby game community organizer programs.
I am assuming this is in the US because "labor" instead of "labour".
It's not legal in most Western countries, but it's absolutely legal for most of the world.
Good for you but by the name Sherya I'm assuming this is an Indian company. Sadly they'll 100% find someone else desperate enough for the job. I've had friends who paid money to the company to work internships.
Paying to get internship is a thing in Azerbaijan too. There exists a company just for the sake of it. You pay them, and get to be an "intern" for some months.
a/k/a Vandelay Industries
It's fucking brutal here too man. Like the internship was part of our undergraduate course so students are essentially forced by these fuckers to pay or else they might not graduate. Luckily I think it's not widespread.
The same as our universities, but ours find you an internship if you couldn't find yourself luckily
That was my initial thought too. Many of these Indian companies also offer services to get unqualified people low paying Software Engineering jobs by having someone else interview for them. Then, once hired, they pay slave wages while pocketing most of the hourly rate.
It's a sad situation honestly. There is a reason why people from India go to the UAE for dog wages. It's still better than the shit offers back home.
I'd have accepted the job, called in sick and blagged an emergency to string them along as much as I could just to waste their time back.
You dodget a bullet, they sound so cheap
Hope the other 51 people do the same!
During your 1week trial we will need you to clean and detail the storage area it's gotten messy show us how much you care.
In the U.S.:" "I'm sorry, but according to the Fair Labor Standards Act, you have to pay people at least a minimum wage in order for them to provide work. It's against the law for me to work for free, and it's against the law for you to ask me to work for free."
Well said!
OP, if you are can, get every piece of written documentation about this and report them to the DOL. They'll be foaming at the mouth to take a case like this.
You are my hero
Sounds like an indian deal.
https://youtu.be/qrm8w-pV120?si=600URuRxkov4HLM5
they wanted a free sample of you working for a week as if you were a costco cheese cube
I would have accepted the job WITHOUT the one week ubpaid trial. Negotiate making that paid and gotten the job.
Right? How hard is "I am willing to accept a paid, 1-week probationary period." Worst they can do is say no, then decline.
Admittedly, this offer makes me think the company wouldn't be that great anyways -- but all I have is one anecdotal hiring practice.
You really want to believe there’s a job after week 1 huh.
I know that neither of us know for sure.
I wouldn't. If they are willing to do this then you need to expect constant abuse and pay issues if you work there.
I'd have accepted and screwed them up so badly they'd never risk it again lol
You know what is better than this letter? You just ignoring them
Hi Shreya,
Get fucked
Thank you,
XOXO
Report them to Dept of Labor
In Switzerland, they almost always have a Probezeit. Often 1 month. Maybe up to 3. That's where you are paid but you can also be let go v easily without going through tedious paperwork if you were a full time contract employee.
Probationary periods exist everywhere and are legal. Some are up to 6 months long. What's extraordinary here is that it's unpaid.
Some are much longer. US Federal a government has a 1 year probationary period and upon being promoted to manager a new 1 year probationary period begins.
As someone who has been a manager in the USA, I like this idea. Eventually, I made everyone start working for me through a temp agency. That way we could simply stop the temp work without any tedious paperwork if the person wasn't the right fit.
Sounds like an internship
AI
curious: where did it happen?
I've heard of this with some industries, but they eventually need to pay you for the time worked if you "work out".
You should've accepted and then ghosted
I would do it if they pay me apprentice pay which is £5 ish per hour and a glowing reference.
They wanna pay in exposure then do it somewhat fairly.
brooooo report them to ur local state this is ILLEGAL! you HAVE TO BE PAID AT WORK
Good for you for turning it down. I would have left out that last sentence. You never know when you might encounter Shreya or others from this company in future job searches or endeavors, so it’s always best to remain cordial even with the worst s**t show companies.
disagree
Hard disagree.
I’m really over this line of thought. Companies need to treat people with more respect and stop trying to silence everyone when they are the worst. People should be able to speak freely about companies that cause harm. Cordial is acceptance of how they act.
Bahahaha fuck that noise. Name and shame this slave-whipping behavior.
I agree because people will black list you in the same industry. I've noticed that about the auto industry...
Please shut your mouth.