The issue is: what is the penalty the police chief and city will pay for improperly denying the permit? Are they even going to have to pay this lady's attorney fees?
There's absolutely no deterrent to acting illegally when the only penalty is to be told to stop, maybe, years later- if someone sues you.
raise this at the next election. point out the money the city wasted defending an illegal case. identify those individuals responsible for the policy that wasted taxpayer money.
raise this at the next election. point out the money the city wasted defending an illegal case. identify those individuals responsible for the policy that wasted taxpayer money.
The presumes that the people who voted for them don't think that harassing law abiding gun owners is a good thing. In their mind that's not money wasted, that's money well spent. To them, gun laws that are stupid and/or illogical are a feature, not a bug.
I would LOVE this. But, either one of two things have to happen. Either ignorance of the law IS a valid defence or laws need to be reformed. Honestly, it’s impossible for anyone but a lawyer to navigate through all the case law and still get it wrong at times
Are you required to show ID when stopped on the street? It depends. Exactly this is the problem. If someone travels to a different state now they’re expected to also know all the minor differences. Not even getting started on county level stuff.
So, the two options are pretty much just that: you either expect that nobody can possibly actually follow the law as it’s so complex which also means it’s realistically impossible to enforce. Or, the laws get changed and we stop having special cases.
This will continue because there is no consequences for violating constitutionally protected rights. That chief was paid full salary while in a court appearance defending his own unconstitutional conduct as an agent of the state.
Only when agents of the state are under threat of prosecution will this unconstitutional behavior stop. If anyone else violates a law, we face prosecution.
Well, in a similar vein, there’s zero consequences for creating illegal laws. That’s ridiculous honestly and there’s a number of cases where the law gets chucked out after years of effort only to get a similar but not the same but effectively the same law soon after. I genuinely believe that implementing unconstitutional laws should come with jail time for those involved. Until people are held personally liable nothing is going to change.
The state should be held accountable for its mistakes. The agents of the state should also be held directly accountable. Otherwise a bad actor can fuck things up and hide behind the state. Like we have seen enough times. Just enforcing the damn law would be a great start though. How many times in the Senate or Congress has someone provably perjured themselves and gotten away with it?
His kid was being bullied at school, made no threats, and was demonstrably the victim.
They pulled his pistol license and took all his guns out of his house as a "precautionary measure".
Took more than one letter from a lawyer before he got them back, but they still suspended his license for 6 months, and were within their right to do so apparently (according to themselves) - this was pre-Bruen.
Everyone knows that "may issue" is just code for: "we don't issue the permit to anyone we capriciously decide we don't want to."
"Shall issue" makes a huge difference, but we should do away with the permit process altogether. If you can buy a firearm, you should be allowed to carry it, full stop.
The issue is: what is the penalty the police chief and city will pay for improperly denying the permit? Are they even going to have to pay this lady's attorney fees?
There's absolutely no deterrent to acting illegally when the only penalty is to be told to stop, maybe, years later- if someone sues you.
raise this at the next election. point out the money the city wasted defending an illegal case. identify those individuals responsible for the policy that wasted taxpayer money.
The presumes that the people who voted for them don't think that harassing law abiding gun owners is a good thing. In their mind that's not money wasted, that's money well spent. To them, gun laws that are stupid and/or illogical are a feature, not a bug.
Abolish qualified immunity.
I would LOVE this. But, either one of two things have to happen. Either ignorance of the law IS a valid defence or laws need to be reformed. Honestly, it’s impossible for anyone but a lawyer to navigate through all the case law and still get it wrong at times
Are you required to show ID when stopped on the street? It depends. Exactly this is the problem. If someone travels to a different state now they’re expected to also know all the minor differences. Not even getting started on county level stuff.
So, the two options are pretty much just that: you either expect that nobody can possibly actually follow the law as it’s so complex which also means it’s realistically impossible to enforce. Or, the laws get changed and we stop having special cases.
This is MA. Zero.
This will continue because there is no consequences for violating constitutionally protected rights. That chief was paid full salary while in a court appearance defending his own unconstitutional conduct as an agent of the state.
Only when agents of the state are under threat of prosecution will this unconstitutional behavior stop. If anyone else violates a law, we face prosecution.
We need DOJ Civil Rights lawsuits in these cases similar to how departments have been held liable for racial biases.
Well, in a similar vein, there’s zero consequences for creating illegal laws. That’s ridiculous honestly and there’s a number of cases where the law gets chucked out after years of effort only to get a similar but not the same but effectively the same law soon after. I genuinely believe that implementing unconstitutional laws should come with jail time for those involved. Until people are held personally liable nothing is going to change.
The state should be held accountable for its mistakes. The agents of the state should also be held directly accountable. Otherwise a bad actor can fuck things up and hide behind the state. Like we have seen enough times. Just enforcing the damn law would be a great start though. How many times in the Senate or Congress has someone provably perjured themselves and gotten away with it?
NY did this to a friend of mine.
His kid was being bullied at school, made no threats, and was demonstrably the victim.
They pulled his pistol license and took all his guns out of his house as a "precautionary measure".
Took more than one letter from a lawyer before he got them back, but they still suspended his license for 6 months, and were within their right to do so apparently (according to themselves) - this was pre-Bruen.
Disgusting
New Jersey does this too
Sheesh. This is some crazy New England behavior. Midwest (excl IL) would never.
Everyone knows that "may issue" is just code for: "we don't issue the permit to anyone we capriciously decide we don't want to."
"Shall issue" makes a huge difference, but we should do away with the permit process altogether. If you can buy a firearm, you should be allowed to carry it, full stop.
Yankee moment
Nah, New England/Northeast moment, lol. Midwest doesn't pull shit like that (except Illinois, which we all know is on some bullshit).
Massachusetts doesn’t care about rights. They never have, and willingly continue to trample on the Constitution.