Bought a new phone, got prompted with 2 EULAs, one has iCloud rather surreptitiously hidden as one of the bullet points, but not clearly labeled AT ALL. I've seen them do this before, so of course opt out. Sure enough, now trying to transfer settings to the new phone fails and asks you to reset.
2nd or 3rd attempt even changes the order of EULAs to "trick" you. Just wanted to see what would happen if I did agree to the EULA with iCloud in the bullets and it AUTOMATICALLY logs you into iCloud (you get an email)! Certain that it's piping my phone data over too as this took some time.
Immediately killed phones now trying again.
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If you’re using an iphone it doesn’t really matter if you’re using icloud or not
I imagine it would be theoretically possible to use an iPhone without logging in, but almost everything depends on Apple ID/iCloud login. Downloading apps, backups, etc…
“If you choose to enable Advanced Data Protection, the majority of your iCloud data — including iCloud Backup, Photos, Notes and more — is protected using end-to-end encryption. No one else can access your end-to-end encrypted data, not even Apple, and this data remains secure even in the case of a data breach in the cloud.”
“With Advanced Data Protection enabled, Apple doesn’t have the encryption keys needed to help you recover your end-to-end encrypted data.”
How to turn on Advanced Data Protection for iCloud
Amazing that you got a downvote for this comment
Yup, lol; ADP ticks enough boxes for me, and I thought it might be helpful. Of course, there may be “better” solutions, but that largely depends upon risk appetite, which is individual.
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After installation, the phone also ignored my existing settings and toggled on icloud sharing of my contacts, voice memos, phone, etc.
What is even the point of using an iPhone without iCloud? Surely it's just a paperweight at that point? Get an android if you really want a dumb phone because IPhones are designed to be used as part of that ecosystem.
Damn I guess I upset the apple fanboys in r/privacy
gotta specify which android to get then. the china android with tons of telemetry and whatnot baked into everything and constant phoning-home (pretty sure all the big android players are guilty of that) won't be any better than an iphone
bro everything has an ecosystem nowadays. buy a samsung phone and get asked to buy samsung earbuds and a samsung smartwatch and maybe a samsung smart fridge too for a "BeTtEr UsEr ExPeriEnCe" or some shit. this isn't apple-exclusive
Pure drivel. I'm not going to engage with this kind of juvenile discussion.
This is absolutely shocking, I cannot believe Apple would lower themselves to such dirty tricks as using bullet points to list different items in a list.
What are they going to try next? Check boxes? Clearly their trickery has no limits.
Absolutely insane, thank you for point this out for me.
The point is they don't clearly state what the EULA is for, you have to read the details of the EULA to know it's for iCloud
So…like every other eula
The point is theyre burying that they want you to enable icloud which immediately starts pumping your data out to the internet.
lol 1) so…a EULA…..and 2) iCloud doesn’t pump your data out to the internet
I'm done you're being argumentative
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