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Can confirm. A few years ago, I helped a mom of 5 get a lawyer to put her pedo husband in prison, and she is still to this day wearing shirts that say “Jesus is my savior, Trump is my president” and she calls him daddy. Her poor kids.
She probably had to brainstorm how she can blame Trans people for it. Some Trans illuminati was forcing Epstein to abuse minors for the LGBTQ agenda, funded by Soros.
My default answer to this question is "they hate someone else (usually trans or black) more than they like themselves" and I have yet to be proven wrong.
I mean realistically, even if Trump is heavily involved in the Epstein trafficking, which he almost certainly is, the Republicans ran big last election on releasing the files.
If you're a survivor of that, then you're going to ultimately vote for whoever says they'll do the most to get justice for you. Even if it's the devil
This is the great problem of this era. Not just "folks believed obvious Republican lies," which is a massive issue, but the media sold Republican lies to folks by acting like they were operating in good faith and never doing anything to really question their transparent lies. If the news functions in such a way where you can say literally whatever you want, and they'll just regurgitate it whole cloth (if you're a Republican), then the truth is fucked. The truth can't win in that environment.
Especially when news, in all practical reality, is just headlines. I don't care how many comments say "actually, the article is better than the headline," when you know, I know, editors writing shit headlines know, that most folks only read the headlines. I'm not giving someone the clicks thru want in order to find out if an article is as bad as the awful headline
“If one person tells you the sky is blue, and another person tells you the sky is green, your job is to not report both sides claiming that. Your job is to go outside and look at the fucking sky!”
That’s not sensational and won’t generate clicks/views. In today’s United States we say, “Person who thought sky is blue hit back by green sky believer.”
Watching some voters who Trump is going to kill with these upcoming health insurance spikes say they regret voting for Trump. When asked if they could do it over again would they vote for Harris or Trump, they say neither. We were so close to people understanding. It’s like asking someone who died in the Titanic if they would buy tickets again and having them respond, “yes, but closer to the rear of the boat.”
She thought that because 47 put the hit out on JE that Trump was on her side… so silly. And of course the republicans have been using her support as proof that they aren’t the party of pedophile protectors.
She's not a victim of sexual abuse. She was Epstein's main recruiter in Florida, and one of just two co-conspirators Palm Beach PD prepared an arrest warrant for, as an adult, for lewd and lacvivious act against a person less than 16 years of age.
SDNY considered prosecuting her alongside Ghislaine Maxwell, as well.
The closest she came to sexual abuse is that Epstein once tried touching her butt and she had to swat his hand away.
So a complete piece of shit. It’s crazy some of us normal folks are at home - maybe playing crash bandicoot and eating nachos. Meanwhile these sick rich guys are trafficking young women , and some of those women are then assisting them with trafficking more women. Evil. And sick. What a bunch of losers
██████ will be approached in FL and ██████ in NY but haven't as of yet.
No way of knowing, but the other co-conspirator Palm Beach was going to arrest is Sarah Kellen. Because of that, it would seem to make sense to group them together in the same sentence, and this matches with where they each lived at this time.
Thanks for finding it before I had a chance to. I agree, we don’t confirmation, but seems to be highly likely that this is the case. I figured that a few of the co-conspirators were going to be the girls he initially recruited that ended up being “head” recruiters, more or less.
Half the women who testified as victims at Maxwell's trial were deemed by the judge not to be victims of any sex crimes. I've heard one woman who only recently started identifying as a victim say she's done so because the public wants easy binaries. Everyone involved with Epstein is either a monster or a victim, and you'd obviously rather be a victim, even if you were a 22-year-old who willingly gave him a topless massage for a couple hundred bucks.
And then then more cynical take is that the Victim Compensation Fund made it real easy for anyone who identifies as a victim to earn millions of dollars, even if they weren't underaged or didn't take part in a sex act.
That said, this survivor, Haley Robson, has never been charged with a crime.
Yep. So many adult female co-conspirators managed to wriggle their way out of charges by retrospectively claiming to be victimized. Some even went back forth from claiming to never witness anything illegal (when Maxwell was arrested) to saying that they knew other men who were involved (after the compensation fund was set up). People should read about David Boies and the fake “informant” that he had that basically conspired about how much money they could make out of the Epstein victim compensation fund. Even Brad Edwards, who represents most of Epstein’s victims, said that rarely did Epstein traffic victims to anyone else but him and Maxwell. It’s pretty obvious that Epstein was absolutely a sex offender, but there’s so much mishandling of this case and conspiracy that nobody cares about the truth.
An integral player in Epstein's Florida scheme was Haley Robson, a Palm Beach Community
College student from Loxahatchee, Florida. She recruited girls ostensibly to give a wealthy
man a massage for monetary compensation in his Palm Beach mansion.
His employees got immunity as well. I think a large majority of the co-conspirators that were redacted were not notorious names, but rather names of Epstein’s staff and JP Morgan employees who handled his bank transactions.
Alex Acosta? The former USAG who barged in on AG Villafaña's prosecution of Epstein so that he could offer him a plea deal? The same Alex Acosta that served as Trump's Secretary of Labor in 2017-2019?
Next you'll tell me that the Florida state AG from 2011-2019, Pam Bondi, is somehow involved in suppressing Epstein materials from reaching the public.
I included a bunch of sources in my original comment. From the Times:
Ms. Robson, a former stripper and Olive Garden worker, was not among the four women given immunity in the Florida plea agreement. But her role in Mr. Epstein’s operation was significant enough that Palm Beach Police detectives had planned to charge her more than a decade ago, according to an affidavit by the lead detective in Palm Beach.
She was also sued twice, and she described her role in Mr. Epstein’s operation in a deposition.
When Mr. Epstein would fly into Florida, Ms. Robson said she would get a call on her cellphone from Ms. Kellen, who would tell her how many massages the financier needed for the upcoming visit. The two of them would hammer out logistics.
She's also sued the reporter who reported the story about Epstein's plea deal, bringing the case back into public attention for defamation for describing her as an eager accomplice.
Fulfilling her threat, Brown then
portrayed Robson not as the teenage victim she was, no different than dozens of other victims, but
rather as a mini-Ghislaine Maxwell and a member of Epstein’s inner circle, despite knowing that
to be a false narrative.
Oh, she’s that victim. I recall reading her story many years ago. She’s definitely both. She was young and vulnerable enough that he victimized her, AND she definitely profited off of it and brought in more victims. Since I recall her background now, she always made poor decisions, so I’m not surprised she’s a Trump voter.
Because she's a POS. She trafficked girls for Epstein. She only turned into witness for a lighter sentence. At least 6 girls were victimized by Epstein because of her. As files are being released she's probably trying to save face if/when her name pops up.
SA victims don’t just realize they’d been SA’d from day one. I think many of Epsteins girls thought they loved him and the powerful men around him. their loyalty was always an obstacle in the early investigation.
maturing is growing to understand the way they were taken advantage of.
Many Childhood SA victims also have a complicated relationship with abusers because it often starts with their parents or their parents complacency with the abuse. Even if they recognize the abuse they believe the way they were treated by abusers is how love is given. That’s why without help or intervention many survivors can eventually become abusers or enter relationships with abusers. Some serious mental health treatment is needed to require their thoughts and perceptions of the world to be rewired. Without adequate mental health supports many at least would empathize with someone like Trump without being able to recognize the clear abuse patterns. It’s likely many MAGA could in fact be unhealed or even unaware survivors.
Idk. In another report I read Donald forced sex on a pregnant 13yo girl multiple times. When the girl had her baby, her uncle and Donald murdered her new born and threw the body in a lake/river.
yes. that was her statement. and she gave it 26 years after it allegedly happened. i wouldn’t hold a 13 year old responsible for knowing what they were doing to her was wrong. and they were lavishing gifts on these girls, buying loyalty. I’m just offering that as a possible excuse for any of them voting MAGA. not just “dumb”, but monetarily compensated to the point of becoming worshippers of their benefactors.
I’m really, really hoping the victims who claim to have supported him up until now are playing the long game. We know Trump tried to get Pence killed, and some folks who could have caused him real harm have conveniently died (Ivana, Epstein, former victims who reported his abuse) — so perhaps this is to stay alive until (hopefully) he goes under.
But yeah, they may also be stupid. Horribly abused, and horribly twisted.
Doesn't help the "survivor" angle is media bullshit. As someone else in the topic pointed out (with sources) this woman was one of his recruiters and they were considering charging her. The sexual abuse in question was one time Epstein swatted her on the ass and she told him to knock it off.
She had some level of immunity due to being first introduced to Epstein while she was underaged. I have no idea why Sarah Kellen wasn’t charged though, she was Epstein’s main assistant for scheduling “massages” and was hired as a regular employee at 21. Most of these women in their early 20s say that they were manipulated by him and that being involved in a sex trafficking ring was part of that manipulation so it was a mistake when young they should be forgiven for. Complete BS. When I was a 21 yr old girl I worked part time at TJ Maxx while going to college and playing obscure horror games at the time. I wasn’t part of recruiting international sex trafficking ring involving underage girls, and if I was, I would expect to prosecuted for that.
MAGA are so brainwashed that they would never support a democrat. They are trained to think of Democrats as the enemy of the people. To be evil and liars. They are basically taught to never question what Dems do, they are just evil people so don't listen to them. MAGA uses zero critical thinking against Rep's. MAGA are just Bobble heads for the most part.
Probably because she wasn’t one of his victims personally so she didn’t care. Just like all MAGA trash, nothing is a big deal until it affects the personal
She doesn't deserve it as her main connection is being Epstein's main recruiter in Florida. One time he was swatted her on the ass and she told him to knock it off, that's what she "survived".
Because it boils down to a crisp "group mentality" they have decided that they are "R" and everybody else that is not "R" is the enemy and is worse than them. She decided that she enjoyed republican rhetoric and threw her lot in with them. Now that she has her lot, her "identity" she has to defend her identity because if you say "Republicans this" they take it as a personal attack against them. I just dont even put a label on my politics anymore. Both sides have issues and plenty that are bipartisan issues. But rn the most dire issue is the corruption of our government.
What doesn’t help anyone is the media running true stories sometimes, and maybe true but super hard to prove or believe stories other times. It was worse when it went further and it was just straight speculation stories.
This made ALL the stories seem “cry wolf” to one side, and ALL the stories “see??? He’s terrible! Look at this latest one!!” To the other…….
You can’t do that. Pick one. Either all true, and let people decide, or all speculation, and say that too. Saying they’re all true, when half are guessing at best and straight made up at worst, is a recipe for someone like trump.
I truly believe it is an orientation where some people just have some sort of attraction to authority which allows them to trust without question. After that point it is just cognitive bias to keep it alive.
Everybody should work at being a skeptic and that means being open minded as learning opposition opinions and claims.
I had a friend from church camp ~30 years ago that fell victim to this model. I don’t know the details, but we reconnected ~5 years ago and she related a summary. She had been a very cheerful, kind, slightly bubbly teen and was pretty innocent/naive.
Around age 20, she was invited to join some high profile ministry and taken under the wing of the main couple. She was apparently groomed and exploited, in particular by the wife as I remember it. It sounded like it took a few years to escape the situation, including undoing all of that conditioning (aka “theology”).
"The Authoritarians" -- an amazing academic study on people who are inclined to follow authoritarians. (The title is about such people -- not the authoritarians they follow.)
People typically vote for the party they have always voted for. He promised to release the files. It makes sense that she would support him originally and then change her mind.
An integral player in Epstein's Florida scheme was Haley Robson, a Palm Beach Community
College student from Loxahatchee, Florida. She recruited girls ostensibly to give a wealthy
man a massage for monetary compensation in his Palm Beach mansion.
People can develop any number of "odd" reactions or coping mechanisms to deal with trauma. Especially if not developing them would make them be shunned by their social group
Top headline where? Seems wildly under reported to me. You know… considering the fact that he is the president of the US. It needs to be the top headline everywhere.
I mean she was Epstein's main Florida recruiter so not a surprise, was even on a list of potential people to charge. The headline is clickbait bullshit with what she "survived" being a swat on the ass then told him to knock it off.
I will financially contribute to any crowdfunding effort that will hire and coordinate a team of private investigators to investigate and publicly document evidence of Donald Trump's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein.
He got impeached twice during Trump 1. It didn't work then. He did a whole ass terrorist attack and wasn't charged for it. They have him on tape telling Georgia election officials to give him the votes to win Georgia; and that case went nowhere. He was only convicted of some bank fraud charges (which he received no punishment for despite 34 convictions). America was founded by capitalists for capitalists, and Trump is a capitalist.
You voted for him. He was always going to hurt other people - but you voted for him. Forgive me if I have less sympathy for you than I do for a jailed pedophile.
She was one of Epstein's recruiters, the article uses the term survivor to refer to the one time he swatted her on the ass and she told him to knock it off. Was actually on a list of potential co-conspirators to be charged. Don't take the clickbait headline as remotely close to the whole story.
An integral player in Epstein's Florida scheme was Haley Robson, a Palm Beach Community
College student from Loxahatchee, Florida. She recruited girls ostensibly to give a wealthy
man a massage for monetary compensation in his Palm Beach mansion.
The whole Epstein dossier is going nowhere. If this were the Obama Presidency and his name kept popping up in the files the streets were filled with protests. Now? Happy holidays.
It's harsh to watch this decade long shitshow from Europe. A US society that just doesn't care enough and and the spill-over will affect Europe as well as their target will be to break the EU and divide Europe between the US and Russia.
A lot of people are just burnt out on all of the political fuckery and convinced it's from both sides when one is overwhelmingly the problem. It's by design. America has too many billiionaires, that's the problem.
She apparently doesn’t understand impeachment either. Just a big waste of time, with congressional grandstanding that gives the commentariat something to blather on about.
I was genuinely dumbfounded when I saw that quite a few of them declared that they had been Trump supporters, or at least voted for him earlier this year. It just further demonstrated to me that:
A. No one in America is ever really paying attention to what’s actually going on, even when it directly affects you
B. Internalized misogyny continues to be such a commonplace occurrence, and
C. Whatever biases / preconceived notions people already hold will always override facts
Several of these victims voted for him despite everything that came out about him in 2016. Utterly stunning.
Consider that many of them might have never met or been near Trump during their time under Epstein's thumb. Sure, there were some girls that did, but he had plenty of other buddies to gift his victims to.
Have any of these victims named names? I don’t think I’ve seen one story of a victim accusing anyone by name yet. The only thing i see of these people is them like gathering around and demanding the release of the files, not ‘i was there, so and so raped me’
Their original testimony was ' so and so raped me' etc but it was pretty much ignored for decades. They said they're compiling a list of names. They would be doing it with their lawyers and there would be risks involved. So it probably won't be a quick thing. If the DOJ really released all the files, these women wouldn't have to put themselves at risk. It makes sense if they do it, it's on their own terms.
Yes, you can even look up the Katie Johnson full testimony on YouTube- watch that, she’d have to be an Oscar-worthy actress to fake it IMO. She’s not the only one. Unfortunately, other people that have come forward have been intimidated into retracting their statements (easy to do if nothing happened from them anyway), or found dead (like the girl who made the police report that came out yesterday, she named both Epstein and trump)
For some reason, I doubt that it would work out. Take Trumps first term, for instance. His impeachment may have succeeded in the house or representatives, however he was acquitted by the Senate, and stayed in the office.
There's 300,000 women in the USA ready to kill the friends, family, or law enforcement that come to separate her from the male partner that constantly beats and abuses her, hth
As early as 1981, Epstein claimed to be an Intelligence Agent.He was friends with Douglas Leese, a defense contractor in the mid 80s...
By 1984 (to 2007), he was a financial advisor to Les Wexner. Les Wexner owned Southern Air Transport, which he obtained from the CIA. Wexner being an Ohioan, conveniently moved the fleet to Rickenbacker Airfield in Columbus OH. Epstein oversaw operations and spent a significant amount of time in Columbus Oh ya, they also setup a HQ in Miami.
Southern Air Transport has always been a smuggling airline. The CIA used it to smuggle guns, drugs, and soldiers in/out of America (to/from South America). Wexner purchased it, THEN this happened: The Iran Contra Scandal How ironic that Epstein would oversee a smuggling fleet; especially one historically known for shipping guns, drugs, and people.
The "Epstein files" the public wants barely scratches the surface. There is a lot more to the story.
In March 1987, Reagan made a further nationally televised address, saying he was taking full responsibility for the affair and stating that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages." Think about that shit - what kind of blackmail did they have on Reagan? (Another Reddit user alleges Reagan was into Pegging)
Maybe the real story is that they just continued what they were doing, after being busted time and time again.
And if you haven't heard, Wexner recently (quietly) purchased Obamas estate on Martha's Vineyard.
Typically, I consider the source of comments before evaluating their credibility. Further, I have a great deal of support for the survivors of Epstein’s abuse up to, but not including their comments on politics.
I’m glad all of this is coming out finally but I’m also pretty aggravated that it didn’t come out much sooner either during Obama or Bidens presidency. How were our leaders so blind about the threat MAGA populism combined with billionaire Ayn Rand fanboys was to our republic? Was it a series of miscalculations or were they also trying to shield wealthy donors. We will most likely never know but I hope for the nations good the next Democratic government fully reveals how and why this happened regardless of who it touches.
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Why would she ever have supported him in the first place if she’s a victim of sexual abuse? Trump came out of the gate with “grab her by the pussy”
Because like all Republican voters, she’s a complete fucking moron
Yup. Having been sexually assaulted does not preclude you from being a total idiot.
Can confirm. A few years ago, I helped a mom of 5 get a lawyer to put her pedo husband in prison, and she is still to this day wearing shirts that say “Jesus is my savior, Trump is my president” and she calls him daddy. Her poor kids.
It sounds like she needs a visit from CPS.
Yep, just look at Nancy Mace
Nancy Mace is soulless evil, embodied. She cried for the victims then immediately left the room and continued supporting their abusers.
Hell will reject her for being too evil.
Satan is going to have to defend his title when all of these ghouls die.
Nancy is a little bat shit crazy. Why anyone would want to continue seeing her in leadership is beyond me.
There are a lot of bat shit crazy people and they've been weaponized by the right wing.
I swear, Sarah Palin was the litmus test.
The fact that she got the craziest of the crazy to vote Republican, it changed their national strategy since.
She probably had to brainstorm how she can blame Trans people for it. Some Trans illuminati was forcing Epstein to abuse minors for the LGBTQ agenda, funded by Soros.
I bet she also wants Dems to accept her with open arms. “Don’t be mad at me, this isn’t MY fault!” We don’t want you either, honey.
I’d accept her vote but not her voice or opinion.
Usually it needs to directly impact them before they change their mind. In her case looks like she needed to be directly impacted twice?
Not all. Some are sociopaths who think they can profit from the mismanagement and corruption the party stands for
That is a-bingo. But that’s probably only about 20% or less of those voters.
My default answer to this question is "they hate someone else (usually trans or black) more than they like themselves" and I have yet to be proven wrong.
She’s probably hella racist
I mean realistically, even if Trump is heavily involved in the Epstein trafficking, which he almost certainly is, the Republicans ran big last election on releasing the files.
If you're a survivor of that, then you're going to ultimately vote for whoever says they'll do the most to get justice for you. Even if it's the devil
Anyone who thought Trump was going to follow through on those promises in good faith was a complete fucking moron, though
This is the great problem of this era. Not just "folks believed obvious Republican lies," which is a massive issue, but the media sold Republican lies to folks by acting like they were operating in good faith and never doing anything to really question their transparent lies. If the news functions in such a way where you can say literally whatever you want, and they'll just regurgitate it whole cloth (if you're a Republican), then the truth is fucked. The truth can't win in that environment.
Especially when news, in all practical reality, is just headlines. I don't care how many comments say "actually, the article is better than the headline," when you know, I know, editors writing shit headlines know, that most folks only read the headlines. I'm not giving someone the clicks thru want in order to find out if an article is as bad as the awful headline
“If one person tells you the sky is blue, and another person tells you the sky is green, your job is to not report both sides claiming that. Your job is to go outside and look at the fucking sky!”
That’s not sensational and won’t generate clicks/views. In today’s United States we say, “Person who thought sky is blue hit back by green sky believer.”
To quote a football coach after losing a big game, “They are who we thought they were.”
Mrs. Harris never called Epstein her best friend of 15 years
Watching some voters who Trump is going to kill with these upcoming health insurance spikes say they regret voting for Trump. When asked if they could do it over again would they vote for Harris or Trump, they say neither. We were so close to people understanding. It’s like asking someone who died in the Titanic if they would buy tickets again and having them respond, “yes, but closer to the rear of the boat.”
She thought that because 47 put the hit out on JE that Trump was on her side… so silly. And of course the republicans have been using her support as proof that they aren’t the party of pedophile protectors.
Wonder if she has kids and if that kid is a girl.
I hate how correct this statement is.
Are you see Republican voters try to rationalize their bad decision making... They deserve the worst.
And th Democrats would be so much worse!!1! /s just in case it’s not obvious
lmao i needed this. thank you.
She also doesn't know the difference between redacted and retracted.
She's not a victim of sexual abuse. She was Epstein's main recruiter in Florida, and one of just two co-conspirators Palm Beach PD prepared an arrest warrant for, as an adult, for lewd and lacvivious act against a person less than 16 years of age.
SDNY considered prosecuting her alongside Ghislaine Maxwell, as well.
The closest she came to sexual abuse is that Epstein once tried touching her butt and she had to swat his hand away.
She's both.
She's a victim who then recruited more victims to make money for herself.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-sex-trafficking-haley-robson/
So a complete piece of shit. It’s crazy some of us normal folks are at home - maybe playing crash bandicoot and eating nachos. Meanwhile these sick rich guys are trafficking young women , and some of those women are then assisting them with trafficking more women. Evil. And sick. What a bunch of losers
And Trump is raping kids that looked like Ivanka. I bet dollars to doughnuts Epstein and Maxwell would keep those children for Trump.
I wonder if she is one of the 10 co-conspirators mentioned in this most recent batch of files?
No way of knowing, but the other co-conspirator Palm Beach was going to arrest is Sarah Kellen. Because of that, it would seem to make sense to group them together in the same sentence, and this matches with where they each lived at this time.
Thanks for finding it before I had a chance to. I agree, we don’t confirmation, but seems to be highly likely that this is the case. I figured that a few of the co-conspirators were going to be the girls he initially recruited that ended up being “head” recruiters, more or less.
Media outlets are really pulling out all the stops, huh?
"Epstein Survivor"
Half the women who testified as victims at Maxwell's trial were deemed by the judge not to be victims of any sex crimes. I've heard one woman who only recently started identifying as a victim say she's done so because the public wants easy binaries. Everyone involved with Epstein is either a monster or a victim, and you'd obviously rather be a victim, even if you were a 22-year-old who willingly gave him a topless massage for a couple hundred bucks.
And then then more cynical take is that the Victim Compensation Fund made it real easy for anyone who identifies as a victim to earn millions of dollars, even if they weren't underaged or didn't take part in a sex act.
That said, this survivor, Haley Robson, has never been charged with a crime.
Yep. So many adult female co-conspirators managed to wriggle their way out of charges by retrospectively claiming to be victimized. Some even went back forth from claiming to never witness anything illegal (when Maxwell was arrested) to saying that they knew other men who were involved (after the compensation fund was set up). People should read about David Boies and the fake “informant” that he had that basically conspired about how much money they could make out of the Epstein victim compensation fund. Even Brad Edwards, who represents most of Epstein’s victims, said that rarely did Epstein traffic victims to anyone else but him and Maxwell. It’s pretty obvious that Epstein was absolutely a sex offender, but there’s so much mishandling of this case and conspiracy that nobody cares about the truth.
They also had a warrant prepped, per the comment I replied to.
You dont prep a warrant without evidence to back it up. She may not have been charged with any crime, but that doesnt make her innocent.
Page 2 of this PDF from Justice.gov
Yes, great documentary series on Netflix about it( Epstein). Alex Acosta swooped in and bunch of women who were “recruiting” for him got immunity.
His employees got immunity as well. I think a large majority of the co-conspirators that were redacted were not notorious names, but rather names of Epstein’s staff and JP Morgan employees who handled his bank transactions.
Alex Acosta? The former USAG who barged in on AG Villafaña's prosecution of Epstein so that he could offer him a plea deal? The same Alex Acosta that served as Trump's Secretary of Labor in 2017-2019?
Next you'll tell me that the Florida state AG from 2011-2019, Pam Bondi, is somehow involved in suppressing Epstein materials from reaching the public.
Should be the top post. Thank you for posting this.
Is that for real that this lady was involved?
I included a bunch of sources in my original comment. From the Times:
She's also sued the reporter who reported the story about Epstein's plea deal, bringing the case back into public attention for defamation for describing her as an eager accomplice.
Oh, she’s that victim. I recall reading her story many years ago. She’s definitely both. She was young and vulnerable enough that he victimized her, AND she definitely profited off of it and brought in more victims. Since I recall her background now, she always made poor decisions, so I’m not surprised she’s a Trump voter.
Because she's a POS. She trafficked girls for Epstein. She only turned into witness for a lighter sentence. At least 6 girls were victimized by Epstein because of her. As files are being released she's probably trying to save face if/when her name pops up.
And now it’s clear why she was a Trump supporter.
SA victims don’t just realize they’d been SA’d from day one. I think many of Epsteins girls thought they loved him and the powerful men around him. their loyalty was always an obstacle in the early investigation.
maturing is growing to understand the way they were taken advantage of.
Many Childhood SA victims also have a complicated relationship with abusers because it often starts with their parents or their parents complacency with the abuse. Even if they recognize the abuse they believe the way they were treated by abusers is how love is given. That’s why without help or intervention many survivors can eventually become abusers or enter relationships with abusers. Some serious mental health treatment is needed to require their thoughts and perceptions of the world to be rewired. Without adequate mental health supports many at least would empathize with someone like Trump without being able to recognize the clear abuse patterns. It’s likely many MAGA could in fact be unhealed or even unaware survivors.
Idk. In another report I read Donald forced sex on a pregnant 13yo girl multiple times. When the girl had her baby, her uncle and Donald murdered her new born and threw the body in a lake/river.
yes. that was her statement. and she gave it 26 years after it allegedly happened. i wouldn’t hold a 13 year old responsible for knowing what they were doing to her was wrong. and they were lavishing gifts on these girls, buying loyalty. I’m just offering that as a possible excuse for any of them voting MAGA. not just “dumb”, but monetarily compensated to the point of becoming worshippers of their benefactors.
Just bc someone was abused does not automatically confer upon them critical thinking skills, unfortunately.
I’m really, really hoping the victims who claim to have supported him up until now are playing the long game. We know Trump tried to get Pence killed, and some folks who could have caused him real harm have conveniently died (Ivana, Epstein, former victims who reported his abuse) — so perhaps this is to stay alive until (hopefully) he goes under.
But yeah, they may also be stupid. Horribly abused, and horribly twisted.
She is stupid.
That is why
"A survivor of convicted child sex abuser Jeffrey Epstein who once supported President Donald Trump…"
Yeah, stopped reading the article at that point.
Doesn't help the "survivor" angle is media bullshit. As someone else in the topic pointed out (with sources) this woman was one of his recruiters and they were considering charging her. The sexual abuse in question was one time Epstein swatted her on the ass and she told him to knock it off.
They should have charged her
She had some level of immunity due to being first introduced to Epstein while she was underaged. I have no idea why Sarah Kellen wasn’t charged though, she was Epstein’s main assistant for scheduling “massages” and was hired as a regular employee at 21. Most of these women in their early 20s say that they were manipulated by him and that being involved in a sex trafficking ring was part of that manipulation so it was a mistake when young they should be forgiven for. Complete BS. When I was a 21 yr old girl I worked part time at TJ Maxx while going to college and playing obscure horror games at the time. I wasn’t part of recruiting international sex trafficking ring involving underage girls, and if I was, I would expect to prosecuted for that.
MAGA are so brainwashed that they would never support a democrat. They are trained to think of Democrats as the enemy of the people. To be evil and liars. They are basically taught to never question what Dems do, they are just evil people so don't listen to them. MAGA uses zero critical thinking against Rep's. MAGA are just Bobble heads for the most part.
Probably because she wasn’t one of his victims personally so she didn’t care. Just like all MAGA trash, nothing is a big deal until it affects the personal
Dumb bitches can be victims too
Desperation, for justice long denied.
That's if you want to give her the benefit of the doubt.
She doesn't deserve it as her main connection is being Epstein's main recruiter in Florida. One time he was swatted her on the ass and she told him to knock it off, that's what she "survived".
Oof--yeah then fuck her.
Ask any survivor of child abuse, it is easy to “forget” the whole trauma as being imagined.
Turns out these people are all fucking stupid.
Because it boils down to a crisp "group mentality" they have decided that they are "R" and everybody else that is not "R" is the enemy and is worse than them. She decided that she enjoyed republican rhetoric and threw her lot in with them. Now that she has her lot, her "identity" she has to defend her identity because if you say "Republicans this" they take it as a personal attack against them. I just dont even put a label on my politics anymore. Both sides have issues and plenty that are bipartisan issues. But rn the most dire issue is the corruption of our government.
Yeah, but that was another her
came to say exactly this.
What doesn’t help anyone is the media running true stories sometimes, and maybe true but super hard to prove or believe stories other times. It was worse when it went further and it was just straight speculation stories.
This made ALL the stories seem “cry wolf” to one side, and ALL the stories “see??? He’s terrible! Look at this latest one!!” To the other…….
You can’t do that. Pick one. Either all true, and let people decide, or all speculation, and say that too. Saying they’re all true, when half are guessing at best and straight made up at worst, is a recipe for someone like trump.
Trafficking victims can be complete idiots just like everyone else
She’s a Epstein victim. Not necessarily a Trump victim.
He said he would release the files and Kamala didn't so obviously the choice was clear
Kamala was a sexual abuse prosecutor
Is this for real?? HOW could she have supported Trump??
I truly believe it is an orientation where some people just have some sort of attraction to authority which allows them to trust without question. After that point it is just cognitive bias to keep it alive.
Everybody should work at being a skeptic and that means being open minded as learning opposition opinions and claims.
So much this!!
I don't know if she is religious but.....
In evangelical spaces, you are literally taught to obey without question...from parents to teachers to preachers. It's pretty sick and wild.
I had a friend from church camp ~30 years ago that fell victim to this model. I don’t know the details, but we reconnected ~5 years ago and she related a summary. She had been a very cheerful, kind, slightly bubbly teen and was pretty innocent/naive.
Around age 20, she was invited to join some high profile ministry and taken under the wing of the main couple. She was apparently groomed and exploited, in particular by the wife as I remember it. It sounded like it took a few years to escape the situation, including undoing all of that conditioning (aka “theology”).
People can really suck
Sometimes people who are dumber than dirt prefer following orders to thinking
Yes, we call them stupid and lazy. "Conservative" for short.
These people don't want to think. They do not want the responsibility of having made a decision. They want someone else to tell everybody what to do.
This is a well know phenomenon.
"Why People Love Authoritarians" (brief video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw8yJ92c_Ds
"The Authoritarians" -- an amazing academic study on people who are inclined to follow authoritarians. (The title is about such people -- not the authoritarians they follow.)
https://theauthoritarians.org/ http://theauthoritarians.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
It’s called religion. From a young age you’re told to blindly trust elders and authority figures, never think for yourself.
People typically vote for the party they have always voted for. He promised to release the files. It makes sense that she would support him originally and then change her mind.
But she would have known Trump was involved, why would she have even voted for him?
Do you honestly think I can answer that question? Lol. Who knows.
It makes zero sense.
The amount of stupid people that exist is shocking.
Law 1: Everyone always and inevitably underestimates the number of stupid people in circulation
https://bonpote.com/en/the-5-basic-laws-of-human-stupidity/
An answer to that question lies in many things.One of those things is money,of course.
Because she was Epstein's recruiter for Florida, idk how Huffpost didn't even mention that. Page 2 of this PDF from Justice.gov
People can develop any number of "odd" reactions or coping mechanisms to deal with trauma. Especially if not developing them would make them be shunned by their social group
Trump is a vile, racist, pedophile, rapist, and convicted con man - how anyone could vote for him beggars belief.
And we add baby murderer to that list
No evidence of that, just a police statement. Unless there are pictures, no one will believe it.
Tens of millions did and would do it again tomorrow
Remember that time trump took part in the rape & payoff of a 13 year old and then dumped her baby in Lake Michigan?
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf
Make everyone aware!
It"s always projection with Republicans...
Jump to 1:00...
https://youtu.be/y0ZOXfn5cq8?si=-7CS7PMj3AvWb0Jt
Won’t see this on mainstream media. Jesus…..!
Then I guess we better make this viral so it can’t be ignored.
Yeah if you hadnt said something thats been a top headline for days at this point im sure we all wouldnt know about it
Top headline where? Seems wildly under reported to me. You know… considering the fact that he is the president of the US. It needs to be the top headline everywhere.
That's because testimony is evidence, but evidence doesn't mean fact.
She loved everything else he did until the Epstein stuff, huh?
I mean she was Epstein's main Florida recruiter so not a surprise, was even on a list of potential people to charge. The headline is clickbait bullshit with what she "survived" being a swat on the ass then told him to knock it off.
I will financially contribute to any crowdfunding effort that will hire and coordinate a team of private investigators to investigate and publicly document evidence of Donald Trump's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49344563
and tracking his treason
https://github.com/mfreeze77/DJT/blob/main/Current_Working_Tmanch_Conclusion.md
He got impeached twice during Trump 1. It didn't work then. He did a whole ass terrorist attack and wasn't charged for it. They have him on tape telling Georgia election officials to give him the votes to win Georgia; and that case went nowhere. He was only convicted of some bank fraud charges (which he received no punishment for despite 34 convictions). America was founded by capitalists for capitalists, and Trump is a capitalist.
You voted for him. He was always going to hurt other people - but you voted for him. Forgive me if I have less sympathy for you than I do for a jailed pedophile.
Redacted? She blanked out her support for Trump in order to ensure no one else would learn about it? Im not sure that worked.
Sadly, her redaction is just as reversable as the DOJs adobe black boxes.
Does she need counseling?
Why support your rapist?
WTF
She was one of Epstein's recruiters, the article uses the term survivor to refer to the one time he swatted her on the ass and she told him to knock it off. Was actually on a list of potential co-conspirators to be charged. Don't take the clickbait headline as remotely close to the whole story.
Stockholm syndrome.
Then she needs help.
For all the people wondering why she supported Trump:
She was Epstein's recruiter for Florida, idk how Huffpost didn't even mention that. Page 2 of this PDF from Justice.gov
I know this isn’t the time or place, but “redact” support?
Stupid bitch supported him in the first place. Fucking moron
And nothing will change
Hey now its going to continue to change for the worst
What a goofy lady.
Keyword there is redacted
The whole Epstein dossier is going nowhere. If this were the Obama Presidency and his name kept popping up in the files the streets were filled with protests. Now? Happy holidays.
It's harsh to watch this decade long shitshow from Europe. A US society that just doesn't care enough and and the spill-over will affect Europe as well as their target will be to break the EU and divide Europe between the US and Russia.
Try watching from Canada, with periodic threats of annexation. The United States is too damn close.
A lot of people are just burnt out on all of the political fuckery and convinced it's from both sides when one is overwhelmingly the problem. It's by design. America has too many billiionaires, that's the problem.
These people are not too good with the words.
She apparently doesn’t understand impeachment either. Just a big waste of time, with congressional grandstanding that gives the commentariat something to blather on about.
Any of these survivors on Epstein could hold a press conference
and name any of the men or women that harmed them.
They would have my support. I don't know why they don't just do that.
Lmao this people who supported Trump knowing full well what he was are just…mind boggling to me.
I’m confused why she would’ve supported him from the beginning?
Unreliable narrator, possibly.
Fucking what? You're telling me an epstein survivor supported trump?!
Nah. Get the fuck out.
I think everyone would be surprised just how fucking dumb most people are but then again most of them are part of everybody.
I was genuinely dumbfounded when I saw that quite a few of them declared that they had been Trump supporters, or at least voted for him earlier this year. It just further demonstrated to me that:
A. No one in America is ever really paying attention to what’s actually going on, even when it directly affects you
B. Internalized misogyny continues to be such a commonplace occurrence, and
C. Whatever biases / preconceived notions people already hold will always override facts
Several of these victims voted for him despite everything that came out about him in 2016. Utterly stunning.
Consider that many of them might have never met or been near Trump during their time under Epstein's thumb. Sure, there were some girls that did, but he had plenty of other buddies to gift his victims to.
I feel like that meme where the guy has two red buttons and he has to make a choice.
Was she so scared she voted for her rapist or something because that's absolutely insane.
Did I read that correctly? Why the f would you support him to begin with?
Why would you support him to begin with?
Have any of these victims named names? I don’t think I’ve seen one story of a victim accusing anyone by name yet. The only thing i see of these people is them like gathering around and demanding the release of the files, not ‘i was there, so and so raped me’
Their original testimony was ' so and so raped me' etc but it was pretty much ignored for decades. They said they're compiling a list of names. They would be doing it with their lawyers and there would be risks involved. So it probably won't be a quick thing. If the DOJ really released all the files, these women wouldn't have to put themselves at risk. It makes sense if they do it, it's on their own terms.
Yes, you can even look up the Katie Johnson full testimony on YouTube- watch that, she’d have to be an Oscar-worthy actress to fake it IMO. She’s not the only one. Unfortunately, other people that have come forward have been intimidated into retracting their statements (easy to do if nothing happened from them anyway), or found dead (like the girl who made the police report that came out yesterday, she named both Epstein and trump)
Her testimony is horrible to listen to.
For some reason, I doubt that it would work out. Take Trumps first term, for instance. His impeachment may have succeeded in the house or representatives, however he was acquitted by the Senate, and stayed in the office.
Well, she already saw it twice.
Why's it matter when he'd never be removed? He's already been impeached ..it's meaningless on its own.
There's 300,000 women in the USA ready to kill the friends, family, or law enforcement that come to separate her from the male partner that constantly beats and abuses her, hth
Impeached you say??? Boy do I have GREAT NEWS!
Wait. She supported him even knowing personally he is an abuser?
Why? Why willingly help him create more victims like herself?
redacted. It does not work that way. Regretted maybe.
Name names. FIGHT those non-disclosure agreements!
Why give him support to start?
As far as I'm aware, Impeachment only means anything if they actually enforce it
She's still a bad person who will vote for the next republican that falsely claims to love immigrants
Hmm...
As early as 1981, Epstein claimed to be an Intelligence Agent.He was friends with Douglas Leese, a defense contractor in the mid 80s... By 1984 (to 2007), he was a financial advisor to Les Wexner. Les Wexner owned Southern Air Transport, which he obtained from the CIA. Wexner being an Ohioan, conveniently moved the fleet to Rickenbacker Airfield in Columbus OH. Epstein oversaw operations and spent a significant amount of time in Columbus Oh ya, they also setup a HQ in Miami.
Southern Air Transport has always been a smuggling airline. The CIA used it to smuggle guns, drugs, and soldiers in/out of America (to/from South America). Wexner purchased it, THEN this happened: The Iran Contra Scandal How ironic that Epstein would oversee a smuggling fleet; especially one historically known for shipping guns, drugs, and people.
The "Epstein files" the public wants barely scratches the surface. There is a lot more to the story.
In March 1987, Reagan made a further nationally televised address, saying he was taking full responsibility for the affair and stating that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages." Think about that shit - what kind of blackmail did they have on Reagan? (Another Reddit user alleges Reagan was into Pegging)
Maybe the real story is that they just continued what they were doing, after being busted time and time again.
And if you haven't heard, Wexner recently (quietly) purchased Obamas estate on Martha's Vineyard.
Someone just learned what the word “redacted” means… kinda
Typically, I consider the source of comments before evaluating their credibility. Further, I have a great deal of support for the survivors of Epstein’s abuse up to, but not including their comments on politics.
So she supported him before? Ok…
I’m glad all of this is coming out finally but I’m also pretty aggravated that it didn’t come out much sooner either during Obama or Bidens presidency. How were our leaders so blind about the threat MAGA populism combined with billionaire Ayn Rand fanboys was to our republic? Was it a series of miscalculations or were they also trying to shield wealthy donors. We will most likely never know but I hope for the nations good the next Democratic government fully reveals how and why this happened regardless of who it touches.
Personally I think she's lying about being a victim. I have no evidence of this but this sounds like a classic con job.