First of all, Karolina Wydra- what an actress. She doesn’t get enough appreciation. She plays this character in ways so complex that it’s so impossibly difficult to decipher between “is it the hive being manipulative or is this real?”
She displays so much emotion but at the same time the lack of emotion you’d expect from a conjoined consciousness.
But just, wow. These scenes are one episode apart, and I believe in the show, only 2 weeks apart. It’s so unnerving. I know the hive’s ultimate goal is to infect everyone, but the such mannerisms they employ to defend this idea gives me such bad vibes. Her blank, almost fed-up face to a “person drowning” doesn’t feel right.
The hive said that if you see a person drowning, wouldn’t you save them? You would, and it’d be accompanied with feeling, panic, compassion, or recognition. It requires understanding. But the hive knows none of that. It does not grasp the struggle; it only responds to instinct, an unthinking pull to rescue, empty of empathy yet relentless all the same. So if you don’t understand the person drowning, how do you know if they want to be saved?
I read her face in that scene a bit differently. I think they believed they had "won" and Carol had accepted them fully. That she would be ready to join. When she saw Carol's worry, they realized they had spoken too soon. Zosia looks afraid of what Carol is about to confirm - that she still values her individuality and doesn't want to be with them completely.
In a way, they're both telling each other that they don't truly love the other. It's just easier to sympathize with Carol's situation because she's a normal human and we know the kind of love she needs.
All that said, I love Karolina Wydra now. The only thing that separates Zosia from the other 7 billion is her physical appearance, but Karolina uses it for maximum effect.
...wait a minute...
Karolina Wydra...
Karo..... Wy.........
Wy........ Karo......
We're through the looking-glass here, people
And Lewis Carroll wrote Alice in Wonderland 😱
LewIS. Lew is what? Lew is almost a homonym of lieu, meaning replacement. Replacement is Carroll. Holy shit.
And today is Christmas so we sing a Christmas CAROLL.
Homophone, but yes. You are on to something!
And the initials for Winds of Wycaro is WoW like the Wow Signal that was detected in 1977 which has never been detected again 🤯 Just like the signal for the lysogenic virus that plurbed everyone. Wow, Bravo Bince
And the main character is named Carol.
Also, I like a girl named Carolina.
We're onto something.
And Carolina is the name of two states. You know what other two states have the same name? Washington and DC.
DC is one of the two main forms of electric current... what do the Hive use to communicate????!?!!?!?!
IT WAS ALL THERE IN FRONT OF US THE WHOLE TIME
"CODE KANSAS!"
They are going to White House!
And Karolina played Houses fake wife on House
Dakota and Virginia have entered the chat.
Carolina?? calienteeee!!! :)
half life 3 confirmed
3 mentioned! Titanfall 3 confirmed!
merry xmas and hail eris
ALL HAIL DISCORDIA! AIEEAIEEAIEEAIEEAIEE!!!
She's polish so it would be pronounced as VYkaro
Poles actually don't have a simple "V" for those who don't know
Bravo Vince
Haha I didn't notice that!
Bince always does that stuff with actors he likes. He named Jane Margolis after Mark Margolis and Gus' lover Max Arciniega (the actor for Krazy-8)
That's actually plausible tbh
Holy shit
Vrabo, Bince!
Karolina... Karol... In a... (In a bad situation)
Bravo Vince!
Bravo Vince!
Why Carol?
Bravo Vince!
🤯
I'm going to give a third interpretation:
It was the face her mother gave her when she sent her to the gay conversion camp. A face that says "I need to do this because I love you".
The hive views the uninfected as people who are drowning and need to be saved. Zosia said so herself.
yet i couldn't help but notice, in the ski lodge when Zosia is leaning toward Carol expressing how vital it is that they convert her and how happy she'll be after, Zosia's head is framed by the fireplace so it looks like she's in flames
bravo Gordon
Yeah - I totally don’t see the hive as being evil - which I think it would be too easy.
They’ve agreed to disagree and were hoping for the best case scenario on both ends.
But since reality wouldn’t permit that, things had to change.
"Chaperone" in Biochemistry:
As a medical student, vravo bince
Woah!
Fun fact!
slow claps
You disapprove? Why?
Sorry, the “slow clap” is meant to show my appreciation and approval. Like, damn, that is well done
I interpreted the slow clap as you intended.
you’re very clever
Thank you for recognizing my cleverness. I love it here. Redditors are so supportive, never sarcastic.
My theory is that the plurbs aren't even people anymore, they're just objects. Any interaction they have, any normal behaviour, anytime they seem nice is for the Immune. If nobody is an Immune anymore, then there would be no more talk or being nice. They have to act a certain way for the Immune, but once they've turned the world into plurbs then they're all just things making the antenna, objects helping this alien species conquer the universe
We saw that with the girl; they Truman showed her and as soon as they absorbed her they dropped the act.
The fact they were singing a traditional song that was silenced forever really drove home that an entire culture died with her joining.
She stops comforting the baby goat too
Well, we didn't get to see what it was like from their perspective. Maybe she was showered with a love we can't even fathom from the inside. Once she was part of the overall consciousness, the body was just a meat conveyance. She was already everywhere at once, doing everything. She already understood why they did what they did and how they all felt now, and how they felt about her throughout. There was nothing left to say or express externally.
I’m not saying you’re seeing it wrong because Vince has said that the show is supposed to evoke uncertainty if hive is good or evil but personally for me, that’s too creepy to consider.
Hive: Kills 800,000,000 people and enslaves the human race
Vince: You're not supposed to know if the hive is good or evil!
But that’s exactly the point- if it’s acting purely on instinct, is that inherently evil? If it doesn’t have a choice in what it’s doing and/or believes the incredible joy others receive by joining is worth it you could certainly argue it’s not.
I think you could argue good or evil aren’t really relevant at all when you’re talking about a virus thing from space’s moral code.. it’s certainly not operating on our values
That’s part of the joy of nuanced storytelling.
It's not evil in the sense of being consciously chosen, as a moral act of agency. The Hive seems lacking in free will, operating by algorithmic imperatives.
BUT... it's evil in terms of what the actual objectives are, the destruction of humanity. Not even Hitler, Stalin or Mao literally wanted to accomplish that. Tens of millions dead to achieve their mad ideological goals and keep themselves in power, sure. (The "breaking a few eggs to make an omelet" is generally attributed to Stalin. To which, there was a great reply, I think from Solzhenitsyn - "That might have still been awful, but where was this omelet we were promised?") So in some sense, it's evil on a scale and magnitude that the human brain has a hard time even grasping.
So think of it this way. Suppose nearly everyone's brain was swapped with a robot brain. The robot brain is programed to destroy humanity. Is the human with that robot brain evil? Well, yes and no. No in the sense that they lack the agency to make this kind of decision. But yes in the sense that their programming is bringing them commit monstrous acts of evil.
Was corona virus evil?
Come to think of it. This show is probably influenced by corona pandemic.
Sure, it may have a blue/orange morality, or more likely given it has no choice due to its 'biological imperative' it has no morality at all and is a fancy virus.
It's perhaps not evil in the moral sense of the term but it is definitely not 'good'. It is very clearly a negative outcome for humanity.
I've said before, I think, unless we get a game-changing explanation for the 800,000,000 dead, it's going to be an uphill battle to make the hive sympathetic.
You can literally make the same case for humanity (or whatever animal species) as well. Are we "not good" for killing animals and plants to survive? What about an animal killing another? It is "biological imperative" answer for both cases as well, as well as the case of the plurbs
Exactly so. One of Gilligan's key ideas in the show, I suspect.
I guess the weird part of that is that there aren’t any sentient life forms that operate purely on instinct irl. We automatically associate being able to speak and think complex thoughts as being beyond being driven only by instinct, and people who give in to their instincts over morality are considered evil
The virus is a weapon or utopia gone wrong. Either way it kills its hosts. I like to think that it was made to bring peace to the world, by optimizing for telepathic unity, non interference, and spread, but its creators didn’t see the negatives, how it would change conscious beings to want to effectively erase themselves.
I mean on one end, if everyone is conjoined telepathically, what need is there for talk or physical action? We don’t know what the hive actually does in their silence.
On the other hand, it’s pretty obvious they’re evil from ep1 when they licked all the donuts.
My germophobia alone is enough to keep me firmly on Team ManCaro.
I think joined humanity still acts because it is still life. If a person was alone in an island, they wouldn't simply go into stasis and wait for their decay, they would actively try to survive, even though there was no need to talk, or express thenselves in any manner.
The hive is bad but it's not evil. Evil implies malice and enjoyment in causing suffering
It really doesn't.
Many of the worst evils that have been perpetuated were done because the person thought they were doing good.
Super creepy! I'm just saying, from their perspective, they didn't just dump her there and carry on without her. From the moment she joined nothing in that little village or what those bodies did mattered, to her or anyone else.
I think the impossibility of illustrating this promise to the unjoined is the central premise and dynamic of the show. We are supposed to take it on trust but we cannot believe in something we can't see.
This is what makes it a great show. A good show would have them like cylons or some other all devouring enemy. Here, I don't doubt that they did improve some people's lives by taking them over.
I disagree. I don t believe she had a separate consciousness to understand or feel anything after the joining.
"this individual was ____" humans are just husks to them
Yes. I do not understand this headcanon that the plurbs are a sort of "bio-democracy" where every person is happy and connected within this warm unity and they collectively just want to be kind and ethical and loving. At every step, we see that's not how it works. It's not seven billion people; it's one thing with seven billion peripherals.
We know for a fact the entity that controls the plurbs isn’t the sum total consciousness of all the humans on Earth early on as well.
The one woman who was plurbed when nobody else was still was following all its imperatives.
And then we saw the exact same behavior when everyone around her got plurbed. The virus itself reigns supreme.
The virus can be a biological imperative to spread and also make everyone happy. Both can be true.
But how is a Hive of one happier and more peaceful, wanting to share this gift? It’s not, so her mind just plain stopped being her own.
The answer is that they actually never try to make convincing ethical, moral, or experiential arguments except in the most vague of ways and their only foray into ethical analogy (the “drowning person” one) came after they admitted the drive was a biological imperative (so it is an after the fact justification).
Maybe the virus is loading your ass up on dopamine, you saw the Peruvian girl get almost high when she turned
It’s not the individual that is happy as there is no individual on the Plurb. It’s the Plurb being happy because it completed its mission
I didn’t say it doesn’t make everyone happy.
I said it’s not as simple as a knitting together of every human being’s consciousness on Earth, it’s always been just one entity.
They are very much like the Borg from Star Trek. They are a collective consciousness of several combined minds, but running on 'software' with specific rules and goals.
Correct. The Borg aren't exactly a democracy run amuck, as one might have thought. There's a reason why they have a Borg Queen, a will to bring order to chaos. In the case of the Plurbs, they don't have a queen as such, but the programing of the joining imposes common rules they all must follow, like not picking apples.
The Borg originally weren’t supposed to have a queen. Hollywood created her because they like to think audiences are stupid. The Borg were supposed to be terrifying because they were completely self-organizing without a centralized brain.
ya i think the hive is very much the sum of its parts. like, i think the virus infects whatever the most sophisticated life form is on any given planet and then utilizes whatever it has at its disposal. so i don’t think it really needs for there to be individual people in there… it just needs the cumulative knowledge they all have and the cooperation of as many people as possible, and the hive is the best way to achieve that.
the imperative is just driving the bodily vessels to do whatever is necessary to join everyone. with the combined knowledge of everyone joined, and the limitations of the hive, they are just using everything at their disposal. with humans/empathetic creatures, manipulation is lowkey the most powerful weapon. there’s nothing distinctly human about what they’re doing as far as i’m concerned rn and it’s all instinctive af
The “no killing” law is the only one that doesn’t make sense to me. The hive doesn’t seem like it’s prepping Earth for invasion - I believe they’re right when they say space is simply too big. So what’s the advantage of not allowing the collective to kill in order to feed itself, etc. that rule seems like it harms the virus’ chance of propagation, not helps it. They’re wasting so much energy on 12 individuals when it could be going to building their antenna. It would be much more efficient to just get rid of the last few survivors.
It really isn't much.
The effort spent on the 13 (now 12) immune for a few months is beyond negligible.
Running a casino or keeping Air Force 1 at Koumba's disposal is a lot from the POV of an individual. But to a planetary scale entity it's next to nothing. And Koumba is the most "expensive" of the immunes.
Yeah it’s literally just a few people in charge of minding each survivor, any request can be granted with very little effort, even extravagant stuff, it’s nothing in the big scheme and worth it to keep them occupied until they figure out how to turn them
My guess is that since the virus was engineered to be very generic, you never really know how many survivors there will be on the planet. And last thing the virus will want is unnecessary deaths from the majority killing the minority. In the case of Earth, it’s just a dozen. But other planets might have hundreds thousands against billions. It’s still too few to do any sensible resistance but if virus was bloodthirsty then theoretically it’d not be afraid to wage war of mass destruction (wasting bodies) rather than be cunning and smart.
"My guess is that since the virus was engineered to be very generic"
We don't even know if it was engineered. If it simply evolved, the result would be the same.
Okay silly question. Wasn't this a strand of RNA that was compared to a virus, but not a virus? Maybe the way it interacts with human DNA just led to this and this might not be how it interacts with other sentient species. Or maybe it wasn't designed to infect as many people as possible for the purpose of simply propagating but rather infecting to neutralize and cull populations
"i think the virus infects whatever the most sophisticated life form is on any given planet"
Step forwards the New Caledonian fork fern, boasting by a long way the largest genome of any species on earth (that we know of so far).
ya but that plant doesn’t really have the ability to build a giant antenna. pretty much humans are the best option for getting stuff into another planet
It certainly would be a dull show if the virus really did go for the most sophisticated species on the planet, yes.
I knew I should have bought more usb ports...
The hive are basically gen z's "lets keep everything cosy" final form
I’m interested what evidence you have when we’ve seen a lot on individual moments from Zosia (particularly during episode 8) shown when no one else was watching (other than us) showing concern, worry, nervousness, sadness, happiness and joy. Who’s she performing for if no one can see her? She should just have that bland blissful look they all have.
Indeed. Given all the ways to be happy that are rooted in physical experience, everyone in the collective can generate their own happiness which they alone will truly experience, just as individual humans can; no communication channel is perfect and the degree to which the collective can share feelings is not yet certain.
My interpretation is that the individual perspective is there but with an expanded sense of self and intuitive knowledge and a permanent contentment with everything. Basically an ego-death mixed with superhuman intuitive knoledge and intelligence The personality is gone in the sense that a droplet of water is gone after falling in the ocean, because what defines a personality is how it responds differently to other personalities to the same situations. But this droplet can be reconstituted at will by joined humanity.
They are super manipulative. Everything is an act. Including the I love you tactic.
They dont love anyone.
Well, they can't lie. I think they genuinely do, it's just that they're extremely manipulative in working around that set rule.
They omit that their definition of love is different from ours
And if you truly love someone (by our human standards), you love them as they are. Why would you want to change them?
If you loved someone and could push a button to make them totally happy even though it changed them (in a positive way) wouldn't you hit it? Surely if you loved them you would want them to be happy.
Not if that involved depriving them of agency and of the very personality that I loved. Suppose I dope up my wife on anti-depressants without her knowledge or against her express will. If my defense was, "Well, I love her, so I just wanted her to be happy," people would have strong grounds to say, a) that was still an evil thing to do, and b) that I don't actually know the meaning of love.
What if I buy her a present and it makes her happy? Did that not deprive her of some agency; I picked the present, not her. I took away her agency to make her happy.
Sure, in some very minimal sense. This is very obviously not at the level of a present, which is primarily external. The virus is far, far more invasive and fundamentally remodels the person.
Sure. Just checking whether the objection was on the principle of making someone happy without their consent, or the scale of it. It's okay to do that, just not too much.
Not if I KNEW they wouldn't want that.
And it doesn't "change them".
"They" no longer exist.
A lot of abusive people confuse love with control in reality.
I don’t think its about that, I think it is just some alien definition of love that we cannot comprehend. We should not compare this to what people consider love.
We're in the middle of holiday season and a lot of humans are dealing with abusive relatives that use words like love when they mean control. There are a lot of broken humans that dont see other people (specially relatives) as nothing more than extensions of themselves
/r/raisedbyborderlines
/r/raisedbynarcissists
/r/EstrangedAdultKids
is full of stories of like that of real humans in 2025
I believe they can lie.
They are just so good at manipulating people that they have convinced Carol that they can't lie.
That could well be! I’m just not entirely convinced of it myself.
Yeah I'm right there with you- their version of 'lying' and their version of 'love' may be genuine in what they say, but also very different from our own.
I think they sidestep that. The love is only love in so far as they understand it. Not faked nor even limited, but rather the distilled version derived by the hive.
There are aspects of what each human views as love which vary depending on cultural norms and expectations of the era. Just because you or I might be unhappy with a certain variation doesn't mean someone from the era and culture wouldn't be happy with that variation.
Or they can lie but they're so manipulative that they've convinced Carol and most of the audience that they can't.
The thing is...interaction can still happen in their consciousness. They know each other's minds. We know they talk, they just don't need to do it aloud. Who is to say they aren't just having a constant party in their heads?
That would be an inefficient use of resources. The virus infects the hosts and makes their entire being dedicated to one thing and one thing only: spreading the virus. Everything an infected body has ever done is ultimately in service of that goal.
Actually, there was a scene where Zosia explained that they don't "talk".
She compared it to breathing. We don't usually think about breathing. It just happens. But we are able to consciously control our breathing if we choose to. Not sure how that translates into their connection with each other, though.
Toenails for a planet-sized three laws system.
That’s not a theory that’s just obvious imo
It’s just a virus spreading, not a tool serving a distant master. I like the banality of evil with this thing. Superhuman intelligence wasted on the simplest possible goal.
"Superhuman intelligence wasted on the simplest possible goal."
Like an internet full of cat pictures. Like spicy autocomplete consuming vast amounts of electricity to make more ways to waste people's time.
That’s not really a theory. That’s the plot of the show isn’t it?
Is that a theory? Wasn't that confirmed with the Peruvian girl?
I think this is mostly true, but I suspect the original humans are still there in some state. Just not "driving the bus" as it were.
I think the the far more interesting interpretation is that they are people. If they are not people, it's just too easy to dismiss the whole thing. Yeah, destroy them all, who cares?
I like to think that the joining simply gives you an intuitive and subconscious access to all of humanity so that doing anything that is needed is as automatic for you as drinking a glass of water. You don't have to think about all the micro muscular movements involved in lifting the glass and them swallowing, you just do it. The individual perspective is never gone, but the sense of self becomes expanded beyond what we can imagine.
"Ha ha you have about a month left to poop without 8 billion people watching!"
Black turtleneck Zosia don't play
This is Helly R/Helena level.
Karolina, Rhea, and the hair, makeup and costume design teams need their awards. Powerfully meticulous acting and choices.
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I lived in Cleveland (Ohio) for 1 year and in Łodz, Poland, for another year; her face on the left is typical American "Minnesota Nice", her face on the right is neutral Polish gesture.
EDIT: Added the fact that I also lived in Cleveland as a student. Go Browns!!
I think you might be experiencing the Kuleshov Effect, to a certain degree.
Care to explain?
I'm not sure I could do a better job of it than Wikipedia, but basically we tend to project emotions onto actors based on context. In this thread you can see a bunch of examples of people projecting different emotions onto Wydra's relatively blank face based on their interpretation of the scene in question.
If the hive is constantly typically smiling, see the little girl who turned, then Zosia actively not smiling is a massive showing of emotion. What emotion that is could be debated but disappointment or anger could be valid interpretations especially given the context of Carol unraveling the hive secretly working on her eggs.
Yeah, that's what I said
I guess to me it seemed like the Kuleshov Effect is more used to apply meaning to images with very little change in actual facial expression and referencing the other image within the montage. This feels different mostly because this is Zosia clearly having a large change in expression.
I studied this in film school and it isn't really applicable anymore. Modern audiences are more visually literate. It use to be a thing in video editing wayyyyy back in the early days of film so we still study it but it isn't really a thing that modern film makers take into consideration
"Modern audiences are more visually literate."
I would need some evidence there. I think SOME are, and they're more vocal now so might seem to be a greater proportion, but a lot of people miss almost everything that isn't spelled out. The TV equivalent of the people who used to sit in literature class and say there was no meaning beyond the literal in what they were reading.
An example from Pluribus itself, in the first episode. Carol turns on the TV, and the person on the TV tells her (in a shot that fills the frame) that there are no aliens, the hive is just humans. This is such a well-worn way for a TV show or movie to just tell the audience something directly without breaking the 4th wall. The person speaking might as well have been Gilligan. He was a talking head, looking like a press conference, filling the screen, talking directly to the viewer. He was trying as hard as he could to tell the viewer that this show is not about aliens and it's thus not about an alien invasion. Yet people are still talking about it as an alien invasion.
As another example, Netflix has directed its scriptwriters to fill shows and movies with exposition so that people who aren't paying attention or just don't know how to watch shows and movies (much as many people were simply never taught how to read books beyond just reading literal words) can keep up; the demands on the viewer's ability to understand TV and movies are reducing and with that reduced demand comes ever reducing ability.
I would certainly agree that modern skilled TV and movie creators are able to layer their work to appeal to a better range of literate and illiterate watchers.
Okay, but surely Invasion of the Body Snatchers wouldn't say they came to earth to snatch bodies.
Sure, within the plot itself; but the generally accepted game of making good modern television is that when it's the writer/creator telling you something, unless they're just going to make a mess of a TV show where they break everything themselves, it's for good reason and can be trusted. In this case, it's because they want people to be able to properly concentrate on and enjoy what the show IS about, rather than constantly waiting for something that isn't coming.
This particular case was was not just a character in the TV show telling another character in the TV show something; it was the writer directly addressing the audience, through that medium. Most of the time, that isn't happening, but I guess Gilligan really wanted to make this clear to everyone right at the start, so very nearly broke the 4th wall to do it.
Sure, could all change; writer/creator could change their mind and make the whole thing all about aliens, but if they're going to do that, then we can't trust anything about the show and the whole thing becomes a mess. A little like how Lost ended up such a mess.
People do this a lot even outside of fictional media
It’s insane because it feels like I’m watching these people display their whole lack of media literacy by simply seeing something and applying their own emotion, rather than understand the emotion being conveyed
yeah no, this aint it here. There's a clear difference in how the character is presented from the clothing to hairstyle compared to previous interactions. May be the show runners are the ones projecting?
Zosia is happy in one scene and trying to answer Carol knowing Carol will hate the answer in the other. What’s scary about her? She was clearly saddened having to leave Carol back home
A lot of you are assigning malice to the hive still and it’s confusing because the show has gone to lengths to show us they aren’t intentionally malicious, not even to Manousos who they know wants to kill them, they “love” him as much as Carol
It's not malicious intent, but it is genocidal outcome. The hivemind thinks of itself as benevolent, but is busy starving the human race.
The show shows us a conflict where both sides wish to do what each sees as the best for the other. And both sides are planning to destroy each other doing so.
And while the terran hivemind apparently is benevolent in its thinking, the designers behind the content of the signal might be malicious (though we probably never get confirmation about their intent).
The signal probably came from another species that had been infected by the hivemind virus.
But that's unimportant.
Whether Kepler 22b is the origin or the nth node in a galactic infection chain - it originated somewhere. And it's the originators intent that matters.
Not that I think that we learn anything about them in this series. That's not what this is about.
because as soon as you know the intent of the extraterrestrials that built and designed that signal, the game is done.
It doesn’t need intent. The originators could have created it by accident, but the consequence is the same if it is like a virus or a parasite that has the ability to spread itself.
This is a specific RNA sequence, not some random gibberish. And it was sent by an antenna that somebody had to build. So it wasn't an accident.
How does a virus evolve into controlling a tech civilization to build antennas to spread itself? It's hard to imagine the intermediate steps where it evolved from a simpler form to this.
Also the "biological imperatives" don't really fit. Sure, assimilate everybody works great. But the starve yourself into extinction rule doesn't look like a great survival trait. How would natural selection get to that rule?
Compare it to the horsehair worm parasite… I think it’s kind of similar. A lot of the “intelligence” may well just be a basic drive to pass on the message filtered through the human host.
They seem to be very manipulative and deceptive though. I don’t know if we can take everything they say as true.
"Weirdly honest. Can't lie for shit"
Because it’s all an act, a “charm offensive.” I think the opening of the finale was a really important scene showing us what lengths the Hive goes to in order to convince, placate or distract the immune. Wanting to make someone happy or loved is all a means to an end.
I’m also starting to feel like the base thought process going through the unified consciousness is nothing more than the imperative. I don’t think they’re having an inner monologue, their joy is simply furthering their goal of building the antenna.
Karolina, we WILL get you that Emmy, don't worry.
I need her to narrate every audio book
It reminded me of those crime shows where the survivors says they knew the exact moment they were in the presence of someone capable of just about anything just by the look in their eyes.
The mole
Not as scary as Carol’s completed 180 after getting some pussy.
She went from save the world to fuck it, so fast. She would have been content growing old with Zosia, traveling the world and creating a life together. What happened to “we have to fix this”
She really is a character. I want to call her a cunt or a Karen but I have too much respect for the actress. RS deserves all the accolades that will come and I look forward to screaming “what the fuck! Are you kidding me!” And doubting her every move for a few more seasons.
To be fair, the hive basically gave her her dream partner. It makes sense to me that someone would fall for someone who's basically designed from the ground up to be as mentally and physically attractive to you as possible.
A woman who looks exactly like the original version of the sexy heroine Carol created, who says her only desire is to make Carol happy, who has access to Carol’s dead partner’s thoughts and ways of interacting so she can treat Carol exactly the way that makes her feel most loved and accepted… like, let’s be very real here, of course Carol chooses to sink into comfort and familiarity and wish fulfillment after the emotional brutality of her life since the joining changed everything. It’s an incredibly human response to the situation.
She also probably kisses and performs sexual acts the exact same way as Helen to add to the mind fuck
Yes and after they and all the other survivors (possibly at the Hive's suggestion) isolated her for weeks. The show very clearly showed the depths of her depression and despair with the fireworks scene.
People have really got to find a new way to insult women that doesn’t rely on incorrect usage of the Karen thing.
Every interaction we saw her have with a human was bad. Maybe grumpy?
Carol also changed after she found out they couldn't change her without her consent to get her stem cells. Before that she was in a panic trying to come up with a way to stop them before they figured out how to infect her.
It was her against the literal world, plus a lot of context of what was happening in her life. It's hard to keep your resolve in the midst of all of those factors lol.
I don't respect her actions, but the average person freaks out if the wifi's too slow or if they perceive a slight in a social interaction. Pretty much nobody would be able to handle being spitefully excluded and abandoned by the whole wide world and antagonized and made to be feel like you're crazy for not liking the crazy events that are happening. We can discuss her actions without holding her to some insane inhuman standards
Grief is grief
She is a great actress. The subtleties in her facial expressions while answering Carol.
She’s also receiving messages from the collective when she goes blank for some of her facial expressions. I agree I think she’s amazing in this role. She listens inward when receiving information from the hive and then shows human emotional reactions to it, and then switches back to what had appeared to be genuine care for Carol, but now is clearly just a manipulative tool.
I still would. So would you.
She is such an amazing actress. The changes in her expressions and mannerisms!!!
Zosia looks like how my mother would react to my meme page.
All I see is weight gain.
Looks more like different focal lengths to me. Her face doesn't seem like it has less definition (more fat) it just seems like it's shaped differently. Which is not how faces work, but it is how different lenses and focal lengths can change the way faces look
https://preview.redd.it/7xc459c73b9g1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95e6829b0e0ff6f1840c2c18d346ac74226eeca3
Yeah, that's probably it. I just enjoy how triggered all the fatties get the moment you mention weight. Tickles me. Like, to act like "fat is okay" and "fat is also an insult" at the same time. For the record, I didn't insult her. I answered OP. But there's all the downvotes from the chunkers with no reading comprehension.
It's not contradictory to believe being fat is okay and to also be annoyed when other people use it as an insult. I don't know why you would think it is contradictory?
I do agree that your original post didn't explicitly use it as an insult, but the way you phrased it definitely felt like it was coming from someone who would use it as an insult. Bit of an assumption to get annoyed at you based on that alone, but the assumption would have been warranted, given the childish name calling you quickly moved to, you clearly do believe being fat is something to insult people over.
Lol, people's facial structures "change" at different angles and lighting. And even then, why feel the need to bring up a person's appearance at all?
In a thread about her appearance between two episodes? One we know went through reshoots a year later?
No offense, but from this pic I could see why folks tell some women "you should smile more."