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I mean... Only reason why Epic is allowed to be installed on most systems is due to free games. If they did not have free games and Fortnite. It would have been dead ages ago
First time I installed their launcher, it was for the f2p Unreal game. As that and Shadow Complex was the only thing on there. Fortnite then was just a zombie survival alpha game, thus the name
Yep, mainly the first one for me. Unreal Tournament GOTY edition took sooooo much of my time. Was my first online gaming experience. 56k modem was less than a seamless experience, and didn't care.
I was so excited when I switched from UT99 to UT2004. That game was so awesome. The mixture of battlefield style combined arms with UT's fast paced gunplay? Absolutely breathtaking!
Yep. I was part of the beta testing team for Unreal Tournament 4. All of us were going for the Unreal Tournament 2004 vibe where it's fast, crazy, chaotic, and balanced. We were near the completion, a few weapons still needed skins and more levels added but they pulled the plug when fortnite started taking off. I've been angry since.
Even in the state it was in, I still had so much fun playing UT4. I know UT2004 is immensely popular, but my favourite was always (and still is) UT99. UT4 was the one that managed to bring back the same feeling I had playing UT99. I still haven't forgiven Epic for pulling the plug - and I hate Fortnite by an equal amount.
What I'm really hopeful for, if we don't get an actual half life 3, is that we finally get a Source 2 engine IDE thingy like with Unreal, Unity, etc. It's so well optimised by comparison, it'd really be a positive thing for the games industry.
Difference between them and Epic is that Valve still has Half Life games listed for sale and update them to maintain compatibility and fix issues, even the original 1998 Half Life 1. A few years ago they had a pretty sizeable 25th anniversary update as well.
the original Unreal games are lost to time and only live in archives
They did update Half-Life 1 and 2 for their anniversaries and all not too long ago while Epic delisted the entirety of the Unreal franchise, including every Unreal Tournaments. Those games made them and they just... erased them.
Despite the delisting they allowed old communities to keep maintaining some of the games but that wasn't a given.
The frustrating part of that is that they haven't made the old versions of the engine open-source (or even source-available). OldUnreal has patches for UT99 and Unreal, and they're working on patches for UT2004, but they're seemingly only allowed to ship on platforms that already had clients (Windows, Mac, Linux). If it was open source, you could get ports to Android and iOS (which both support controller input), and nobody can port those patches to other games. For comparison, there are versions of Quake and Doom for nearly every platform under the sun, and there are updated versions of games that used those engines (eg ET: Legacy for Enemy Territory and OpenJK for Jedi Knight 2 & Jedi Academy).
I miss pre Fortnite epic games. When they was a cool company who just wanted to focus on their game engines and occasionally make a cool game to show you what’s new
most of the time the free games are games you've never heard of and most of the time don't really want anyway. but sometimes you'll get gems like dead island 2, Dead by daylight, dying light, star wars battlefront 2 and so much more
If it’s on cold storage fuck ‘em. I used a vpn and hotel WiFi on a work trip to load down a few 8tb hdds full of games and movies/shows in like 2017 during a breakdown of torrent sites.
Haven’t touched em since, but I do have em. One is all porn.
You know the classic quote:
"The boss makes a dollar while I make a dime, thats why I STAY AT A HOTEL FOR YEARS LEECHING WAY TOO MANY FILES AND NEVER SEEDING ON HOTEL WIFI WHILE CREATING REASONS OF WHY I NEED TO STAY AT THE HOTEL BECAUSE THE PORN ISN'T DONE DOWNLOADING AND SOON TO BE EX-WIFE HASN'T SIGNED THE DIVORCE PAPERS YET."
Back in the 2000s it didn't used to be. I mean it's not like you were getting gigabit speeds but throttling wasn't as much a thing in hotels, they didn't pay network engineers for that. So if it was a Tuesday, and the hotel was relatively empty, you used to be able to get somewhat alright speeds (relative to the time, I'm not talking 500mb over wifi or anything, I'm talking maybe 50mb when that was what your average house was getting). Now they give you the bare minimum because with everyone having smart phones it's not nearly as much of a selling feature as it was back then. Most people will just use data if the hotel wifi is too slow for them but they won't cancel a hotel reservation or book a different hotel because of it nearly as much.
There are guys out there that download whole porn siterips, pack up the HD's for safekeeping and never share it. then years later they'll realize what's on the drives and try to unload it all on some rando's on the internet. by then nobody wants it and they'll delete it all to archive something else.
it's a complete waste of time, but hoarders are hoarders.
Not having DRM is cool, but really that is just the default state of a game, not a service.
And GoG takes as much money from developers as Steam, despite not providing anywhere near as much.
Meanwhile Itch actually takes nothing, besides the processing fees of payment providers.
drm was the point of Steam. That's how it started.
I first installed Steam off a CD. I bought Half Life 2 on disc when it was first released and Steam was required to authenticate the serial.
Self destructing DRM, even. Valve is directly responsible for killing the used game market on PC, and it was entirely intentional. They also invented loot boxes. They're absolute bastards who got too much of a pass early on from rabid Half Life fans, and that lasted long enough for a new generation to come along who didn't know any better.
They won by getting there first. The competition was only really worse in that they launched years later and weren't as fully featured on launch. GoG is straight up better in a lot of very important ways.
There was no competition back then, Steam was simply the first one to introduce all this bullshit.
Steam was first introduced with the CS update to 1.6 in September 2003.
I wasn't able to play, because Steam didn't connect to its own servers. I had that problem for over two weeks.
After it finally worked I noticed the game was lagging... because Steam would allocate more memory than the game itself.
I had to upgrade my RAM because of Steam.
Steam was developed back during the days of physical PC media. The first steam client had no store front.
Instead, Steam was Valve's brainchild to prevent players from playing games early. The first series of CD/DVD based Steam compatible games all came encrypted. This allowed stores to sell early copies without players being able to access the game early. Once the start date of the game passed, the Steam decryption servers would start releasing the decryption keys for each user's game serial.
When I pre-ordered the Orange Box, my copy came in the mail a day early. I had it pre-installed and stayed up till 2am when Steam started to decrypt the files.
The whole encryption thing still exists (I think) when you pre-load games, but the CD/DVD based encryption services, while they still exist, are obsolete.
You've never owned any software ever. Unless you designed it yourself and own the intellectual property (assuming you used no proprietary libraries). All intellectual property, from software, to books, are not yours. You are using a license to operate it. In the case of software, its possible to add restrictions to make sure only authorized users have access, but whether its on a cd, a flashdrive, whatever, you don't own any software.
You can download many Steam games without DRM too. And typically (not always) if a game is available on GoG, then the Steam version is also DRM free.
That said, GoG is simpler. Is the game available on GoG? If yes, then it's DRM free, and you can download via your web browser without the need for their client install.
For Steam, first you have to find out if the game is DRM-free (this is not readily available and is rarely easy to confirm). Then, you need to perform a Depot download via the Steam console, which will get you the game's files similar to GoG, with two caveats: 1) this still requires the client to be installed, and 2) it voids any refund window that you have with the title (GoG still honors their refund policy, though it is harder to enforce than Steam's).
3rd party yes, but this doesn't include Steam DRM. Some games you need to run Steam and be logged in, others you can just run the exe directly and don't even have to have Steam installed.
The gringots scene was cool, and the introduction was fun, although so so long. Had I played further I recon there'd be more specific sections I thought were cool. But the moment I realised we weren't taking the train to hogwarts, it instantly felt just like any other game with a Harry Potter skin. Like that is kind of a major plot point in nearly every book. Choosing to skip that is kind of like - oh, this is just a setting, not a major consideration then?
Not to mention setting it decades back? The actual world building in the original story is kind of, mid, at best? It's the characters that drive literally everything. There is some, but it's very much set in the here and now. Very little world building and very very little world history. So unless you're massively into HP, even the game "skin" is going to feel kind of dull, just simply because, it's not HP, it's just a magic world, because, HP itself isn't much but that without the characters.
I mean it's a very pretty game and the spell system is cool and I can see why so many people enjoyed it. But it isn't much more then any other singleplayer game for me. (also not to mention when I loaded the game I had to skip through like 100 items I'd unlocked just for downloading - wtf - this isn't fortnite?).
Just all around, interesting, choices...
Edit: Side note, this magical world but not actually HP feel does seem like a pattern with all "Harry Potter universe" stuff in the last decade or so - looking at you fantastic beats. It's all just skins of existing stories and tropes or games or whatever. It's never HP. Harry Potter doesn't work without the characters, I mean it's literally in the name, but ignoring that, the stories simply do not have the world to hold them up. But I guess JKR will do anything to fund a bit more bigotry and harassment against one of the smallest, most vulnerable minorities, hey? Idk, I just don't see any reason to be interested in new HP stuff from my POV, even ignoring the fact all the money is channeled into hatred, it's all just been boring empty husks playing off the hype of what once was. Don't buy into it.
Agree. The epic store is a massive joke. I know outright copying steam and it's design is not easy, but come on hire some qualified ui/ux designers along with some good back end engineers. Not that hard to make a good functional app for pc.
Even gog did a good job when they were nobody within 3 years of launching gog.
I used to joke about it but im pretty sure its just a fact that they don't actually care about making a competitive store, they just rely on free games and deals. If that doesnt work? Fuck em.
They COULD have added some of the features steam has, but they launched an app that lets you buy and download games and nothing more. Sure they added a few things now but its still so barebones that its no use to actually make it your personal gaming launcher
having an actual good and competitive store would be competition for time and money against their own fornight cashcow. that's why it's been shit, and even after years to improve, it's still shit, not even a polished turd, just straight up shit.
Actually the games list is offline, if you’re offline or the sign in/account servers are down, just hit “sign in later” and then hit “library” and boom, you have a list of games you’ve downloaded and can launch.
Also why tf do they have games on the quick launch on the left... With only 1 function. Click to play. Right click to maybe uninstall, or configure or w/e? Nope. Just one. Single. Function. Play. Wtf? That's in like everything and would be a great qol feature but it's ONLY there to play a game. Why? Gampeass has the same thing but you cna (obviously) right click to delete etc.
Epic was accused, and I believe caught, years ago data mining your steam friends list for marketing purposes. I'm sure there's other shady AF things but this is my main reason to hate epic.
Not exactly earning the respect. Some of us hold grudges for a long, long time.
Yeah Steam has an insane amount of goodwill built up to the point that even if a superior and cheaper service appeared it wouldn’t be easy to get people to switch. They’re effectively a natural monopoly at this point.
In my opinion, they're no monopoly but it's kinda complicated.
There are other stores and Valve isn't making anti-competitive moves either. A user friendly business decision isn't anti-competitive.
They aren't preventing others from being successful directly or intentionally. But they aren't helping them either. Not that they should have to or be expected to.
But at the same time, because they have this image of being "for the people" it does actively hurt competition.
Should a company be punished for being a better quality product though? Should they be considered a monopoly just because the consumer prefers them over others?
I personally think that naturally occurring monopolies that are usually made from offering a superior product should be allowed to exist. I think they should just have a close eye kept on them in case they decide to switch up.
That is the case. Being a monopoly isn't illegal on its own -- it's using your market position in an anticompetitive manner that's illegal (if often unenforced).
What Steam has is a massive market share that is competitive on the merits. If they started doing shady shit to maintain that, it'd be bad news bears.
Also the reason why Nvidia has not been accused of anticompetitive behavior. Nvidia does shitty stuff with their card partners and gaming consumers, but otherwise they're not actively preventing AMD or Intel to capture the market. They're just too far in the lead.
NASCAR got sued by Michael Jordan and some of the race teams and just settled this week for doing exactly this, using their position as a monopoly on premier stock car racing in an anticompetitive manner against the race teams in contract negotiations last year.
Well if they weren't so shitty maybe I'd try it. Sounds like a them problem. They held kingdom's hearts hostage on pc for over a year. Same with ff7 remake. Paying for big timed exclusivity like that is gross. I hope it was worth it. I actively refuse to install epic, and I now own the games mentioned above, but on steam. I just hate them more now for making me wait so long.
Should a company be punished for being a better quality product though? Should they be considered a monopoly just because the consumer prefers them over others?
No. A monopoly inherently means they would be taking hostile actions to force the competition out. They aren't. Them controlling so much of the market through sheer goodwill and quality is straight up pure non corrupt capitalism. Free market baby.
Epic on the other hand routinely takes anti competitive actions. They're just terrible so they don't have enough pull to push the competition out to form a monopoly.
There just isn't a superior AND cheaper service so far. If one appears I'm guessing it will do better than Epic Games but Steam will still be at the top.
Plus a lot of games were exclusive for Epic Games like Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 + 2 remake, Kingdom Hearts, Metro Exodus and many more and it genuinely pisses me off because I want Metro Exodus but it was exclusive for an entire year and by then I already forgotten about it. As for Tony Hawk and Kingdom Hearts are the same as well not an entire year but more like 4 years or so.
Metro Exodus was an extra special "fuck you" because it was listed on Steam with a release date, and then suddenly it go pulled off for the Epic exclusive.
It was even available for preorder for like a few days or a couple weeks or something before it got pulled, and while Steam did honour every purchase before Epic yoinked it anyone who didn't buy before it even came out had to either go to Epic or wait a full year for the Steam release.
And Epic's justification has always been "Steam is a monopoly" (it's not, and Sweeney definitely knows that but lies about it anyway) and "Steam takes a huge cut for no benefits" meanwhile that SpongeBob meme of cloud hosting, and Big Picture, and controller support, and API benefits for developers, and Workshop, and the entire Steam social network, and the Steam Store being baseline functional, and I could honestly still go on.
My issues with Epic have been blatantly lying to the world, moralizing about it as if they ever cared for a second about anything other than potential earnings, and on a less "principles" level the Epic Store just kinda sucks. It was bad at launch and is still bad years later. It took them a long time to add a "cart" function for crying out loud. They had the entirety of Steam's success and multiple other storefront failures to base theirs on and learn from and fucked up huge.
Epic also conveniently leaves out that Steam's cut hasn't changed from pretty much the onset of Steam, and is hugely generous compared to what brick and mortar stores charged back then.
IIRC, Epic's argument basically boiled down to: "We can only assume that Steam's cut is far higher than that of hypothetical competing services, therefore it's excessively and unreasonably high and totally anti-competitive. We know this because those hypothetical competitors don't actually exist!"
I don't care about the cut steam takes. I literally do not care. I care about my own wallet.
If Epic's lower cut meant lower pricing I would be on that same "lower cut" barrier with them. Right now Epic provides a worse service to me as the consumer while expecting me to pay the same price as I would at Steam. At that point they can take their "lower cut" and shove it. Nothing they do benefits me besides the free games... and 99% of the giveaways I don't even care about so I even stopped accepting those and just nuked their spyware off of my machine.
I'll maybe have a look at it when they start doing things that benefit me. Their own version of the steam workshop. Their own version of the steam community pages (I use it for support and guides). Easy multiplayer with my friends (inviting them straight into the game from the friendslist). And we know those won't happen because Epic cares about the shareholders and not the customers.
Epic is giving away games trying to build a competitive storefront without doing the work to actually build something we would want to use. I'll pay the extra on steam for better customer service, more functionality and less predatory tactics. Steam/valve isn't perfect but at least they have a functioning shopping cart. (yes I know epic has one now but how tf do you launch a digital storefront but not have a shopping cart?)
For me it was buying exclusivity on games that had already been announced and sold on other platforms.
They've put much more effort into trying to force people to use their store than they have trying to make a store that is feature competitive. I remember their public Trello in the early days and how long it took them to add EXTREMELY basic functionality, things like a shopping cart, reviews, listing games system requirements. All the while throwing money around to buy out developers for an entire year.
Bribing people with free games is just screwing the developers out of potential sales, all so epic doesn't have to put in the effort to catch up with what other platforms offer their users.
The one I find crazy was pulling Fall Guys from steam and redirecting the game to epic, requiring epic some time post launch. It initially said you don't need to set up email etc, and a few minutes into the game completely changed to needing to fully set up an epic account.
I noped out and never played again. I did request a refund off steam but never got it, which although I had a lot of hours to this day I still think should have been on principle.
They also bought exclusivity for crowd-funded games and delayed Steam keys for backers for at least a year. Epic deserved the hate it got when it launched.
For a time, i had their shitty launcher installed for the games. One of them being subnautica.
Now i have subnautica in steam because i preferred paying money for a game that i already have access before reinstalling their (again) shitty launcher.
Heck, i might do it with Kingdom Come too.
Steam is not superior because they do shady shit like Epic. Its simply superior. Everything Epic has like Steam, works better in steam. The whole 3 things.
Unironically it makes it worse as a store because it completely devalued it in people's eyes. Since it's not a physical store it's not bringing people in and they're buying other stuff, it's literally fostered a reputation to just grab free stuff and never buy anything
I'm on Linux and wondered if I'd be able to access my games here, since the Epic launcher is for Windows and Mac only. There's this "Heroic Games Launcher", an open-source alternative that seems to fully work with your epic library. I'm actually glad this is the way to access your Epic account on Linux, because it's honestly such a better launcher. It's on Win too, so you can try it, although I understand it's kinda dumb to have to resort to different solutions than the official one.
The 10% on the meme is pure nonsense, by the time a game is given away for free on Epic it's already gone on huge sales on Steam for way more than 10%.
Hogwarts Legacy, as an example, was discounted by as much as 85% before Epic gave it away, so replace that 10 for an 85 and you have an accurate meme, but then it shows how dumb OP's point is.
Epic provides them because it knows it won't get your money otherwise. It's not a free offer. It's a bribe to try to force you onto their platform. The same thing with the exclusives.
They would rather give away shit and force exclusivity than put the money and effort into making their store something people want to use on its own. They are trying to buy relevancy rather than earning it.
It's the equivalent of putting Free Candy on the side of a white van. It looks creepy because it is creepy.
Double standards my ass. Are you dumb? Calling it double standards is the most shallow brainlet take I've seen in some time. It just completely ignores all the context and circumstance outside the fact that Epic offers free games.
What about the fact that Epic is owned by scummy people trying to make a worse user experience the standard? What about the fact their client was literally straight up spyware? What about their attempts at creating forced exclusivity via their platform? What about the other dozen reasons any one person might have to dislike Epic?
What about the many years of goodwill that Steam has accumulated by simply being a decent straightforward platform trying to give people everywhere a good customer experience, and bringing games to people in almost any country despite their country's falling economy by regional pricing?
You must've eaten paint chips for breakfast throughout your childhood to make this meme.
Epic literally bought games to unlist them on steam. Does no one remember fall guys? Epic's exclusivity deals prays on indie developers who need bills paid. Epic shovels games into obscurity just so their platform might be used.
It's insane how this isn't talked about more. They took a really popular game that had been on Steam for over 5 years, removed it from Steam for exclusivity on Epic Games and turned it into a Fortnite skin storefront.
And most players end up just waiting for the game to come to steam before buying it anyway. Borderlands 3 did horribly on epic compared to steam a year later.
And odds are the Free game isn't one you were planning to get anyway as they're usually games that have been out for a while and have probably already had several good sales over on Steam already.
Is it really double standards if Epic Games Store is a much worse experience than Steam? I don't want to touch Epic's application. It's just not good, especially compared to Steam. There's no comparison.
I would rather pay for a game on Steam than get it free on Epic.
Epic games only give free games so they can say people are using their store to the shareholders.
It's all an engagement tactic to keep a shitty storefront that poached numerous companies with ridiculous amounts of cash into an exclusivity deal for a year or two to make their platform more active which horribly backfired.
It's not the same. Look at the history of the epic store. Look at Sweeney and his comments. The guy literally hates his customers and is shady as fuck. Epic sucks.
Nah, my standards are not using a shitty app from a shitty company who engaged in rampant anti-consumer third-party exclusivity deals and killed off their most iconic game series.
The EGS client is absolute trash. Even with the free games (which most most are some not really known indie titles), even with more discounts EGS would still be garbage. The only thing the multi-billion software company had to do was to develop a good client software as their store front but for years now it's still just a turd. No community, no official Linux support, the thing freezes constantly when going to download settings and download speeds are abysmal, no matter which official or unofficial "fix" you try. GOG, Steam, alternative EGS launcher, even the things Ubisoft, EA etc created are better. There really is just no reason to use EGS, except for launching Fortnite (edit: and you have to use it when working with Unreal)
When Civilization 6 was available for free, I took it. Then I saw that upgrading to the platinum edition cost more than just buying the platinum edition. I wrote to support asking them to remove the game so I could buy it at full price. They refused.
I love getting signed out of my account when i want to play games.
Another thing if they weren’t anti competitive and run by a shady business or actually let games on without hand picking them and, you know what they’re actually not better than steam.
Nah its totally not because Epic wanted AAA games to be exclusive to their store, totally has nothing to do with that. People just hate Epic for no reason whatsoever.
I have a billion free epic games but I like.. have played none lol. I never have epic games open. I just have them cause “maybe one day I’ll change my mind and play some”.
There’s quite a difference between a lot of safety in place within Steam vs the very intrusive nature of epic games within your system.
Don’t get me wrong some people place malicious code into games and post onto Steam but once they become aware of it they notice anyone affected and delete the game off their service. Epic games on the other hand will take their time doing the same, and well we all know how gross epic games is with your files.
The reason for the "Free Games" is that the guy behind Epic saw himself as some kind of the second coming of Game-Jesus ready to deliver us from Evil Steam but we were not able to perceive that. Reality is that while steam might not be perfect for everybody its more than fair for most. Epic talks big then does not deliver on their promises, the epic launcher still looks like some kind of mobile Launcher.
Then they also start off the whole Chain of Epic Exclusive starting the same Bullshit that Sony does for years and the Leeches from Ubisoft/EA were pushing for.
I gladly pass on some free games if it means not giving my money to a Scumbag Company.
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I mean... Only reason why Epic is allowed to be installed on most systems is due to free games. If they did not have free games and Fortnite. It would have been dead ages ago
It's all fortnite, that game brings in too much money.
Meanwhile Unreal has been left to die and wither away, that will always be my reason for hating Epic Games.
First time I installed their launcher, it was for the f2p Unreal game. As that and Shadow Complex was the only thing on there. Fortnite then was just a zombie survival alpha game, thus the name
That is my exact scenario. Saw what I thought was a new Unreal and got suuuuper excited. That did not last long.
Criminal that they abandoned UT.
Holy hell the memories I have with unreal tournament 3. I wish it came back
Yep, mainly the first one for me. Unreal Tournament GOTY edition took sooooo much of my time. Was my first online gaming experience. 56k modem was less than a seamless experience, and didn't care.
I was so excited when I switched from UT99 to UT2004. That game was so awesome. The mixture of battlefield style combined arms with UT's fast paced gunplay? Absolutely breathtaking!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that remembers what that game was supposed to be.
I was confused and thought you meant the engine.. it's been so fucking long I Forgot unreal was actually a goddamn game
Same. Although the amount times UE4 keeps crashing I wouldn't have been surprised.
Yep. I was part of the beta testing team for Unreal Tournament 4. All of us were going for the Unreal Tournament 2004 vibe where it's fast, crazy, chaotic, and balanced. We were near the completion, a few weapons still needed skins and more levels added but they pulled the plug when fortnite started taking off. I've been angry since.
Even in the state it was in, I still had so much fun playing UT4. I know UT2004 is immensely popular, but my favourite was always (and still is) UT99. UT4 was the one that managed to bring back the same feeling I had playing UT99. I still haven't forgiven Epic for pulling the plug - and I hate Fortnite by an equal amount.
Exactly. Valve would never take a successful franchise and just let it die like that.
Wait.
What I'm really hopeful for, if we don't get an actual half life 3, is that we finally get a Source 2 engine IDE thingy like with Unreal, Unity, etc. It's so well optimised by comparison, it'd really be a positive thing for the games industry.
At this point I think S&box is the closest we're gonna get to a Source 2 SDK.
Difference between them and Epic is that Valve still has Half Life games listed for sale and update them to maintain compatibility and fix issues, even the original 1998 Half Life 1. A few years ago they had a pretty sizeable 25th anniversary update as well.
the original Unreal games are lost to time and only live in archives
They did update Half-Life 1 and 2 for their anniversaries and all not too long ago while Epic delisted the entirety of the Unreal franchise, including every Unreal Tournaments. Those games made them and they just... erased them.
Despite the delisting they allowed old communities to keep maintaining some of the games but that wasn't a given.
The frustrating part of that is that they haven't made the old versions of the engine open-source (or even source-available). OldUnreal has patches for UT99 and Unreal, and they're working on patches for UT2004, but they're seemingly only allowed to ship on platforms that already had clients (Windows, Mac, Linux). If it was open source, you could get ports to Android and iOS (which both support controller input), and nobody can port those patches to other games. For comparison, there are versions of Quake and Doom for nearly every platform under the sun, and there are updated versions of games that used those engines (eg ET: Legacy for Enemy Territory and OpenJK for Jedi Knight 2 & Jedi Academy).
I miss pre Fortnite epic games. When they was a cool company who just wanted to focus on their game engines and occasionally make a cool game to show you what’s new
Honestly I don’t even play the free games I get bc launching it is weird
most of the time the free games are games you've never heard of and most of the time don't really want anyway. but sometimes you'll get gems like dead island 2, Dead by daylight, dying light, star wars battlefront 2 and so much more
Dont forget Deat Stranding. Epic showed me that game and i love it
Now its offering hogwarts legacy. And its one i'll try when im able.
I know right? The UI is so trash, unfriendly, difficult to navigate, and all the invasive fucking pop-ups pushing ads in your face is just so hostile.
Yea it’s just a shit service
Don't forget, you don't "own" any games until you can download it without DRM (a la GOG)
Technically you don’t own them even then, they just can’t do anything to prevent you from keeping it.
If it’s on cold storage fuck ‘em. I used a vpn and hotel WiFi on a work trip to load down a few 8tb hdds full of games and movies/shows in like 2017 during a breakdown of torrent sites.
Haven’t touched em since, but I do have em. One is all porn.
Username definitely checks out. 😎
We're gonna need something bigger than a cup and a lot more than 2 girls, LETS GET IT DONE FOLKS CHOP CHOP
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why lie? hotel wifi is barely fast enough to stream YouTube without stuttering
The guy is still in the hotel
He refuses to leave.
He can check out like whenever.
🎶But he can never leave 🎶
You know the classic quote: "The boss makes a dollar while I make a dime, thats why I STAY AT A HOTEL FOR YEARS LEECHING WAY TOO MANY FILES AND NEVER SEEDING ON HOTEL WIFI WHILE CREATING REASONS OF WHY I NEED TO STAY AT THE HOTEL BECAUSE THE PORN ISN'T DONE DOWNLOADING AND SOON TO BE EX-WIFE HASN'T SIGNED THE DIVORCE PAPERS YET."
alright, calm down lad, itll get better I promise
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Even though i have this one saved, i was still fooled
been a while i didn't see that XD
That absolutely depends on the hotel you're in. I've been in hotels with quire fast wifi
That’s true because there’s a singular hotel on this planet and this guy went there
AI doesn't know that. remember, as of last month over 50% of new comments on this website are AI.
Don't forget the 60% bots it already was
Source?
Back in the 2000s it didn't used to be. I mean it's not like you were getting gigabit speeds but throttling wasn't as much a thing in hotels, they didn't pay network engineers for that. So if it was a Tuesday, and the hotel was relatively empty, you used to be able to get somewhat alright speeds (relative to the time, I'm not talking 500mb over wifi or anything, I'm talking maybe 50mb when that was what your average house was getting). Now they give you the bare minimum because with everyone having smart phones it's not nearly as much of a selling feature as it was back then. Most people will just use data if the hotel wifi is too slow for them but they won't cancel a hotel reservation or book a different hotel because of it nearly as much.
50mb average house speed in the 2000s?
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In truth, they are all porn
Genuinely how do you fill up 8TB with nothing but porn??
Videos can take up a surprisingly large amount of space, especially if they’re in 4K.
r/DataHoarder
There are guys out there that download whole porn siterips, pack up the HD's for safekeeping and never share it. then years later they'll realize what's on the drives and try to unload it all on some rando's on the internet. by then nobody wants it and they'll delete it all to archive something else.
it's a complete waste of time, but hoarders are hoarders.
Find a model you like and download their full archive. Repeat with multiple models over multiple years. 8TB is nothing really.
8TB is really not that much. I have around 100TB of storage filled with video files. Not porn, but file size is the same.
😉
I have 154tb filled with movies, books, family photos, remux, isos, backups, cached games, all legitimate obv.
If I lose them, I can just get them from my cloud storage. (Piratebay)
That's enough though. GOG is king
Itch is king, since they aren't as greedy.
Not having DRM is cool, but really that is just the default state of a game, not a service.
And GoG takes as much money from developers as Steam, despite not providing anywhere near as much.
Meanwhile Itch actually takes nothing, besides the processing fees of payment providers.
You can use steamless to strip steam drm.
Don't know what the point of steam drm is in the first place
Writing this down for my apocalypse PC build.
I see I'm not the only one who has considered inevitable.
"What if it all goes down tomorrow? What are the most important games to always keep downloaded?"
I buy a new external hard drive every year or so and just kinda fill'em up. Ya never know.
What are you doing for power to game all day?
What?
You think I'm stocking up on video games for the actual apocalypse?
When the internet gets cracked down on, or the game hosting companies go out of business.
Not if there's a worldwide catastrophe. Use your brain.
drm was the point of Steam. That's how it started.
I first installed Steam off a CD. I bought Half Life 2 on disc when it was first released and Steam was required to authenticate the serial.
Self destructing DRM, even. Valve is directly responsible for killing the used game market on PC, and it was entirely intentional. They also invented loot boxes. They're absolute bastards who got too much of a pass early on from rabid Half Life fans, and that lasted long enough for a new generation to come along who didn't know any better.
And yet Steam won by not being as bad as the competition and paying employees fairly 😭
They won by getting there first. The competition was only really worse in that they launched years later and weren't as fully featured on launch. GoG is straight up better in a lot of very important ways.
There was no competition back then, Steam was simply the first one to introduce all this bullshit.
Steam was first introduced with the CS update to 1.6 in September 2003.
I wasn't able to play, because Steam didn't connect to its own servers. I had that problem for over two weeks.
After it finally worked I noticed the game was lagging... because Steam would allocate more memory than the game itself.
I had to upgrade my RAM because of Steam.
There was a reason why back then, a lot of people in gaming forums had this gif in their signature.
Steam was simply the first one and had a heads start.
Edit: This one was also popular and describes the problem I (and many others) had.
But what about the hams?
It’s fine, they’re called steamed despite the fact they are obviously grilled.
Steam was developed back during the days of physical PC media. The first steam client had no store front.
Instead, Steam was Valve's brainchild to prevent players from playing games early. The first series of CD/DVD based Steam compatible games all came encrypted. This allowed stores to sell early copies without players being able to access the game early. Once the start date of the game passed, the Steam decryption servers would start releasing the decryption keys for each user's game serial.
When I pre-ordered the Orange Box, my copy came in the mail a day early. I had it pre-installed and stayed up till 2am when Steam started to decrypt the files.
The whole encryption thing still exists (I think) when you pre-load games, but the CD/DVD based encryption services, while they still exist, are obsolete.
You've never owned any software ever. Unless you designed it yourself and own the intellectual property (assuming you used no proprietary libraries). All intellectual property, from software, to books, are not yours. You are using a license to operate it. In the case of software, its possible to add restrictions to make sure only authorized users have access, but whether its on a cd, a flashdrive, whatever, you don't own any software.
You can download many Steam games without DRM too. And typically (not always) if a game is available on GoG, then the Steam version is also DRM free.
That said, GoG is simpler. Is the game available on GoG? If yes, then it's DRM free, and you can download via your web browser without the need for their client install.
For Steam, first you have to find out if the game is DRM-free (this is not readily available and is rarely easy to confirm). Then, you need to perform a Depot download via the Steam console, which will get you the game's files similar to GoG, with two caveats: 1) this still requires the client to be installed, and 2) it voids any refund window that you have with the title (GoG still honors their refund policy, though it is harder to enforce than Steam's).
DRM indicators/3rd party account requirements etc are usually on the right hand side of the store page for the game:
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3rd party yes, but this doesn't include Steam DRM. Some games you need to run Steam and be logged in, others you can just run the exe directly and don't even have to have Steam installed.
You always "own" through Piracy, I mean game preservation.
Nothing else truly matters.
I take the free games. But that doesn’t mean I like them or trust them. Also their application just sucks.
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Exactly
Try pausing and unpausing it
Is that...?
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Are you in danger?
Hello? I'd like to order a pizza!
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Is this ..
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Damn youuuuu
I'm howling at these two comments
Pumping pleasure
Saddam?
Who sayin?
Pattern recognition 😔
What are you doing?! You’re supposed to claim it and never install or play it. I’m going to report you to the proper authorities for this matter!
Secret easter egg to gow fun Hogwarts Legacy is
I tried Hogwarts Legacy and aside from the initial "Wow Harry Potter" reaction, it was underwhelming at best.
The gringots scene was cool, and the introduction was fun, although so so long. Had I played further I recon there'd be more specific sections I thought were cool. But the moment I realised we weren't taking the train to hogwarts, it instantly felt just like any other game with a Harry Potter skin. Like that is kind of a major plot point in nearly every book. Choosing to skip that is kind of like - oh, this is just a setting, not a major consideration then?
Not to mention setting it decades back? The actual world building in the original story is kind of, mid, at best? It's the characters that drive literally everything. There is some, but it's very much set in the here and now. Very little world building and very very little world history. So unless you're massively into HP, even the game "skin" is going to feel kind of dull, just simply because, it's not HP, it's just a magic world, because, HP itself isn't much but that without the characters.
I mean it's a very pretty game and the spell system is cool and I can see why so many people enjoyed it. But it isn't much more then any other singleplayer game for me. (also not to mention when I loaded the game I had to skip through like 100 items I'd unlocked just for downloading - wtf - this isn't fortnite?).
Just all around, interesting, choices...
Edit: Side note, this magical world but not actually HP feel does seem like a pattern with all "Harry Potter universe" stuff in the last decade or so - looking at you fantastic beats. It's all just skins of existing stories and tropes or games or whatever. It's never HP. Harry Potter doesn't work without the characters, I mean it's literally in the name, but ignoring that, the stories simply do not have the world to hold them up. But I guess JKR will do anything to fund a bit more bigotry and harassment against one of the smallest, most vulnerable minorities, hey? Idk, I just don't see any reason to be interested in new HP stuff from my POV, even ignoring the fact all the money is channeled into hatred, it's all just been boring empty husks playing off the hype of what once was. Don't buy into it.
Agree. The epic store is a massive joke. I know outright copying steam and it's design is not easy, but come on hire some qualified ui/ux designers along with some good back end engineers. Not that hard to make a good functional app for pc.
Even gog did a good job when they were nobody within 3 years of launching gog.
Epic is just lazy at this point.
I used to joke about it but im pretty sure its just a fact that they don't actually care about making a competitive store, they just rely on free games and deals. If that doesnt work? Fuck em.
They COULD have added some of the features steam has, but they launched an app that lets you buy and download games and nothing more. Sure they added a few things now but its still so barebones that its no use to actually make it your personal gaming launcher
Free games is their only advantage
having an actual good and competitive store would be competition for time and money against their own fornight cashcow. that's why it's been shit, and even after years to improve, it's still shit, not even a polished turd, just straight up shit.
Their "application" is literally just a web browser in a frame. that's why it sucks
Er I have bad news for you regarding Steam
Steam has online and offline parts.
The geniuses at Epic kept the games list online. You can't play without being online.
Actually the games list is offline, if you’re offline or the sign in/account servers are down, just hit “sign in later” and then hit “library” and boom, you have a list of games you’ve downloaded and can launch.
Also why tf do they have games on the quick launch on the left... With only 1 function. Click to play. Right click to maybe uninstall, or configure or w/e? Nope. Just one. Single. Function. Play. Wtf? That's in like everything and would be a great qol feature but it's ONLY there to play a game. Why? Gampeass has the same thing but you cna (obviously) right click to delete etc.
Uh...
That’s also how steam works…
Respect is earned.
Epic was accused, and I believe caught, years ago data mining your steam friends list for marketing purposes. I'm sure there's other shady AF things but this is my main reason to hate epic.
Not exactly earning the respect. Some of us hold grudges for a long, long time.
Yeah Steam has an insane amount of goodwill built up to the point that even if a superior and cheaper service appeared it wouldn’t be easy to get people to switch. They’re effectively a natural monopoly at this point.
In my opinion, they're no monopoly but it's kinda complicated.
There are other stores and Valve isn't making anti-competitive moves either. A user friendly business decision isn't anti-competitive.
They aren't preventing others from being successful directly or intentionally. But they aren't helping them either. Not that they should have to or be expected to.
But at the same time, because they have this image of being "for the people" it does actively hurt competition.
Should a company be punished for being a better quality product though? Should they be considered a monopoly just because the consumer prefers them over others?
I personally think that naturally occurring monopolies that are usually made from offering a superior product should be allowed to exist. I think they should just have a close eye kept on them in case they decide to switch up.
That is the case. Being a monopoly isn't illegal on its own -- it's using your market position in an anticompetitive manner that's illegal (if often unenforced).
What Steam has is a massive market share that is competitive on the merits. If they started doing shady shit to maintain that, it'd be bad news bears.
This distinction is why Microsoft both won and lost antitrust litigation in different cases.
Also the reason why Nvidia has not been accused of anticompetitive behavior. Nvidia does shitty stuff with their card partners and gaming consumers, but otherwise they're not actively preventing AMD or Intel to capture the market. They're just too far in the lead.
NASCAR got sued by Michael Jordan and some of the race teams and just settled this week for doing exactly this, using their position as a monopoly on premier stock car racing in an anticompetitive manner against the race teams in contract negotiations last year.
What Valve has is currently market dominance, but others would prefer to call it a monopoly since it plays to their benefit.
Just epic calls it a monopoly, youd think they were Teddy Roosevelt they way they want to fight every “monopoly” except I like Roosevelt.
Well if they weren't so shitty maybe I'd try it. Sounds like a them problem. They held kingdom's hearts hostage on pc for over a year. Same with ff7 remake. Paying for big timed exclusivity like that is gross. I hope it was worth it. I actively refuse to install epic, and I now own the games mentioned above, but on steam. I just hate them more now for making me wait so long.
They do not have a monopoly.
They have a better product and a better marketplace.
These companies can try but they don't have the two decades of experience running a digital storefront and managing purchases.
No. A monopoly inherently means they would be taking hostile actions to force the competition out. They aren't. Them controlling so much of the market through sheer goodwill and quality is straight up pure non corrupt capitalism. Free market baby.
Epic on the other hand routinely takes anti competitive actions. They're just terrible so they don't have enough pull to push the competition out to form a monopoly.
At best the competitor is gog.
For me, GOG is not a competitor but a complementary. Having GOG and Steam, I don't want any other stores as these two are masters at what they do.
There just isn't a superior AND cheaper service so far. If one appears I'm guessing it will do better than Epic Games but Steam will still be at the top.
Plus a lot of games were exclusive for Epic Games like Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 + 2 remake, Kingdom Hearts, Metro Exodus and many more and it genuinely pisses me off because I want Metro Exodus but it was exclusive for an entire year and by then I already forgotten about it. As for Tony Hawk and Kingdom Hearts are the same as well not an entire year but more like 4 years or so.
Metro Exodus was an extra special "fuck you" because it was listed on Steam with a release date, and then suddenly it go pulled off for the Epic exclusive.
It was even available for preorder for like a few days or a couple weeks or something before it got pulled, and while Steam did honour every purchase before Epic yoinked it anyone who didn't buy before it even came out had to either go to Epic or wait a full year for the Steam release.
And Epic's justification has always been "Steam is a monopoly" (it's not, and Sweeney definitely knows that but lies about it anyway) and "Steam takes a huge cut for no benefits" meanwhile that SpongeBob meme of cloud hosting, and Big Picture, and controller support, and API benefits for developers, and Workshop, and the entire Steam social network, and the Steam Store being baseline functional, and I could honestly still go on.
My issues with Epic have been blatantly lying to the world, moralizing about it as if they ever cared for a second about anything other than potential earnings, and on a less "principles" level the Epic Store just kinda sucks. It was bad at launch and is still bad years later. It took them a long time to add a "cart" function for crying out loud. They had the entirety of Steam's success and multiple other storefront failures to base theirs on and learn from and fucked up huge.
Epic also conveniently leaves out that Steam's cut hasn't changed from pretty much the onset of Steam, and is hugely generous compared to what brick and mortar stores charged back then.
IIRC, Epic's argument basically boiled down to: "We can only assume that Steam's cut is far higher than that of hypothetical competing services, therefore it's excessively and unreasonably high and totally anti-competitive. We know this because those hypothetical competitors don't actually exist!"
I don't care about the cut steam takes. I literally do not care. I care about my own wallet.
If Epic's lower cut meant lower pricing I would be on that same "lower cut" barrier with them. Right now Epic provides a worse service to me as the consumer while expecting me to pay the same price as I would at Steam. At that point they can take their "lower cut" and shove it. Nothing they do benefits me besides the free games... and 99% of the giveaways I don't even care about so I even stopped accepting those and just nuked their spyware off of my machine.
I'll maybe have a look at it when they start doing things that benefit me. Their own version of the steam workshop. Their own version of the steam community pages (I use it for support and guides). Easy multiplayer with my friends (inviting them straight into the game from the friendslist). And we know those won't happen because Epic cares about the shareholders and not the customers.
KHMOM still hasn't come to Steam because of those scum.
Thought khmom was just on console. Wow if true that isn't an epic issue that's square Enix being incompetent again.
Tbf they just canceled their next money maker mobile game (which is also the main plot since kh2), so yeah they're incompetent af.
Why not play it on epic?
Epic is giving away games trying to build a competitive storefront without doing the work to actually build something we would want to use. I'll pay the extra on steam for better customer service, more functionality and less predatory tactics. Steam/valve isn't perfect but at least they have a functioning shopping cart. (yes I know epic has one now but how tf do you launch a digital storefront but not have a shopping cart?)
Think epic still doesn't allow reviews or ratings.
They have a form of reviews but is a star rating that doesn’t actually let you know players thoughts.
It was caught, i remember being so pissed i uninstalled and never touched it again, i only accumulate the free games through the website.
For me it was buying exclusivity on games that had already been announced and sold on other platforms.
They've put much more effort into trying to force people to use their store than they have trying to make a store that is feature competitive. I remember their public Trello in the early days and how long it took them to add EXTREMELY basic functionality, things like a shopping cart, reviews, listing games system requirements. All the while throwing money around to buy out developers for an entire year.
Bribing people with free games is just screwing the developers out of potential sales, all so epic doesn't have to put in the effort to catch up with what other platforms offer their users.
The one I find crazy was pulling Fall Guys from steam and redirecting the game to epic, requiring epic some time post launch. It initially said you don't need to set up email etc, and a few minutes into the game completely changed to needing to fully set up an epic account.
I noped out and never played again. I did request a refund off steam but never got it, which although I had a lot of hours to this day I still think should have been on principle.
They also bought exclusivity for crowd-funded games and delayed Steam keys for backers for at least a year. Epic deserved the hate it got when it launched.
Free games don't magically make it a better store
true. epic games launcher is so annoying and clunky to navigate.
I almost can’t be bothered getting the free games because the launcher is so slow
For a time, i had their shitty launcher installed for the games. One of them being subnautica.
Now i have subnautica in steam because i preferred paying money for a game that i already have access before reinstalling their (again) shitty launcher.
Heck, i might do it with Kingdom Come too.
Steam is not superior because they do shady shit like Epic. Its simply superior. Everything Epic has like Steam, works better in steam. The whole 3 things.
Unironically it makes it worse as a store because it completely devalued it in people's eyes. Since it's not a physical store it's not bringing people in and they're buying other stuff, it's literally fostered a reputation to just grab free stuff and never buy anything
Also inflated numbers of „active users“ for the investors, potential devs/publishers and shareholders.
Epic would get praise if they bothered to make a good launcher
I'm on Linux and wondered if I'd be able to access my games here, since the Epic launcher is for Windows and Mac only. There's this "Heroic Games Launcher", an open-source alternative that seems to fully work with your epic library. I'm actually glad this is the way to access your Epic account on Linux, because it's honestly such a better launcher. It's on Win too, so you can try it, although I understand it's kinda dumb to have to resort to different solutions than the official one.
10%? I dont make a purchase on steam for less than 75% off most of the time.
The 10% on the meme is pure nonsense, by the time a game is given away for free on Epic it's already gone on huge sales on Steam for way more than 10%.
Hogwarts Legacy, as an example, was discounted by as much as 85% before Epic gave it away, so replace that 10 for an 85 and you have an accurate meme, but then it shows how dumb OP's point is.
i don't support a company that's maliciously trying to create exclusivity on PC between launchers.
If i have to redeem a game there, i at least use the Heroic launcher
Epic provides them because it knows it won't get your money otherwise. It's not a free offer. It's a bribe to try to force you onto their platform. The same thing with the exclusives.
They would rather give away shit and force exclusivity than put the money and effort into making their store something people want to use on its own. They are trying to buy relevancy rather than earning it.
It's the equivalent of putting Free Candy on the side of a white van. It looks creepy because it is creepy.
The exclusivity is the reason I don't use them. They are making the gaming ecosystem worse.
For me, I'm a bit annoyed by having multiple launchers, steam, epic, ubisoft due to the discounted games I get, but nothing to fret about.
Free game is free game.
While free games are nice I often forget about thenm due to lack of use of the store software as I don’t play fortnite thus never open it
Double standards my ass. Are you dumb? Calling it double standards is the most shallow brainlet take I've seen in some time. It just completely ignores all the context and circumstance outside the fact that Epic offers free games.
What about the fact that Epic is owned by scummy people trying to make a worse user experience the standard? What about the fact their client was literally straight up spyware? What about their attempts at creating forced exclusivity via their platform? What about the other dozen reasons any one person might have to dislike Epic?
What about the many years of goodwill that Steam has accumulated by simply being a decent straightforward platform trying to give people everywhere a good customer experience, and bringing games to people in almost any country despite their country's falling economy by regional pricing?
You must've eaten paint chips for breakfast throughout your childhood to make this meme.
Epic literally bought games to unlist them on steam. Does no one remember fall guys? Epic's exclusivity deals prays on indie developers who need bills paid. Epic shovels games into obscurity just so their platform might be used.
And Rocket League
It's insane how this isn't talked about more. They took a really popular game that had been on Steam for over 5 years, removed it from Steam for exclusivity on Epic Games and turned it into a Fortnite skin storefront.
And most players end up just waiting for the game to come to steam before buying it anyway. Borderlands 3 did horribly on epic compared to steam a year later.
I’m still mad about Fall Guys. That shit was so fun and they completely ruined it with their bs freemium model.
You forgot that Epic is dog shit and has nothing else to offer
And odds are the Free game isn't one you were planning to get anyway as they're usually games that have been out for a while and have probably already had several good sales over on Steam already.
The free game is something you looked into buuuuut wasn't something you were planning on spendin money on, or even using time on it at all..
At some point it looked interesting, but then you saw it on steam later on and got it there instead.
Imagine your store being so bad even with free games I don't want to be on it
Is it really double standards if Epic Games Store is a much worse experience than Steam? I don't want to touch Epic's application. It's just not good, especially compared to Steam. There's no comparison.
I would rather pay for a game on Steam than get it free on Epic.
Epic games only give free games so they can say people are using their store to the shareholders.
It's all an engagement tactic to keep a shitty storefront that poached numerous companies with ridiculous amounts of cash into an exclusivity deal for a year or two to make their platform more active which horribly backfired.
Epic is privately owned, and I'm pretty sure that the board and leadership know the real situation with the store.
It's not the same. Look at the history of the epic store. Look at Sweeney and his comments. The guy literally hates his customers and is shady as fuck. Epic sucks.
The free games are the only good thing about EGS.
Nah, my standards are not using a shitty app from a shitty company who engaged in rampant anti-consumer third-party exclusivity deals and killed off their most iconic game series.
How in the everloving fuck did I have to scroll this far to see the exact real reasons why absolutely everyone who likes gaming should hate Epic???
People have the memory and reasoning skills of goldfish.
Rip unreal
The EGS client is absolute trash. Even with the free games (which most most are some not really known indie titles), even with more discounts EGS would still be garbage. The only thing the multi-billion software company had to do was to develop a good client software as their store front but for years now it's still just a turd. No community, no official Linux support, the thing freezes constantly when going to download settings and download speeds are abysmal, no matter which official or unofficial "fix" you try. GOG, Steam, alternative EGS launcher, even the things Ubisoft, EA etc created are better. There really is just no reason to use EGS, except for launching Fortnite (edit: and you have to use it when working with Unreal)
The free games aren’t even worth it with how bad the launcher is
Okay Tim you can get off your burner now
He would definitely do something like this too
Epic could give away every single game in existence for free and I still would not use it.
When Civilization 6 was available for free, I took it. Then I saw that upgrading to the platinum edition cost more than just buying the platinum edition. I wrote to support asking them to remove the game so I could buy it at full price. They refused.
I will never buy anything from EGS again.
I love getting signed out of my account when i want to play games. Another thing if they weren’t anti competitive and run by a shady business or actually let games on without hand picking them and, you know what they’re actually not better than steam.
GOG master race has entered the chat
For me its as simple as having all my games in 1 library. It’s annoying to juggle 5 different launchers
And then the devs add launchers that you get when you download the game lol, see CD projekt.
Or Ubisoft Or EA
Yeah boy! Got myself a copy of Hogwarts Legacy that I'll probably play one day, maybe... but a free game is a free game.
Nah its totally not because Epic wanted AAA games to be exclusive to their store, totally has nothing to do with that. People just hate Epic for no reason whatsoever.
Fucking joke post.
I got the free Hogwarts Legacy from Epic Store, even though I already have it on Steam. Idgaf whos giving it, if its free, I'm taking it.
I have a billion free epic games but I like.. have played none lol. I never have epic games open. I just have them cause “maybe one day I’ll change my mind and play some”.
There’s quite a difference between a lot of safety in place within Steam vs the very intrusive nature of epic games within your system.
Don’t get me wrong some people place malicious code into games and post onto Steam but once they become aware of it they notice anyone affected and delete the game off their service. Epic games on the other hand will take their time doing the same, and well we all know how gross epic games is with your files.
If they didnt provide free games they would go under even with the ridiculous funding they have.
Steam stays alive by just being the best. They dont need to be pathetic to try and lure in people.
Take away just fortnite and epic might collapse.
The problem isn't with discounts or free games, the problem is that epic is playing to kill and steam is playing to have fun
I'd rather get a game I want for only 10% off than some random game I don't care about for free
It must be tiring reposting the same strawman constantly.
Who is complaining about the free games on EGS?
The reason for the "Free Games" is that the guy behind Epic saw himself as some kind of the second coming of Game-Jesus ready to deliver us from Evil Steam but we were not able to perceive that. Reality is that while steam might not be perfect for everybody its more than fair for most. Epic talks big then does not deliver on their promises, the epic launcher still looks like some kind of mobile Launcher.
Then they also start off the whole Chain of Epic Exclusive starting the same Bullshit that Sony does for years and the Leeches from Ubisoft/EA were pushing for.
I gladly pass on some free games if it means not giving my money to a Scumbag Company.
can you stop trying to shill the shit games store? it's not going to work. there are so many reasons most people dont use it and instead use steam
Yep, the reason is inertia.
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I have 1000 games on steam. I’m not afraid to jump ship if steam goes to crap. But I wouldn’t jump to epic that’s for sure.