Still on DDR3, so I think I've found a new daily driver, and that's not the best part. I had an i5-6600k lying around, and what do you know, they use the same socket!
Let's do some math. It's 1925, for long-term memory, your equivalent would be punch cards. Each card is 80 columns, or 80 bytes per card. For 16GB, that's a stack of ~200 million punched cards. 22-mile-high stack weighing about 550 tons, and costing ~$400,000 in paper alone.
For RAM specifically, you're looking at mechanical counters. Since IBM really only leased them and didn't sell them, we'll use a calculator for our example. In 1925 you could get a Monroe Model K with a 16-digit accumulator register. 16 decimal digits is 53 bits or ~6.6 bytes. Brand new, this calculator would set you back $400, which is ~$6500 in 2025 dollars.
$400/6.6 bytes = $60.61 per byte. That's $1.03 Trillion(!) in 1925 dollars, which is 11x the entire 1925 US economy, and around $18.5 trillion in 2025 dollars.
2133 Mhz... That's still dirt cheap, since it's for office PCs, and there a ton of stock for it, and gimps a gaming PC, massively. I'm talking a good 0-25% FPS hit in different games, since it is low frequency ram.
Edit: This is how much of clown show RAM is, this RAM was worth maybe $0.5-2 a stick before, now it's worth $3-5... For literal junk ram that came in a ton of office PC/prebuilts. Can't beleive I sold DDR4 3600MHz CL16 for $20 a few months ago, shit probably worth $80-100 easy in these joke times.
Yeah sure, but DDR3 is fucking ancient at this point (~11 years since DDR4 dropped and ~18 years since DDR3 dropped, legit ancient in PC hardware terms).
2133 is fine for normal use, but gonna be gimped asf in games. Anyways enjoy.
Not really. Back in the days my uncle used to have a 4x4gb kit of DDR3 2933MHz CL12. Unless you have a base spec DDR3 kit, chances are it's probably even faster than this DDR4 one.
You are talking utter nonsense and this would be based on benchmarks.
I really would like to see numbers that show average fps will be affected by 20% or more over multiple titles just because you have 2133 RAM instead of 3200.
Performance in gaming is like 5-10% worse for the average user.
I think you can do the rest, you are not even arguing (all same CL) 2666/3000MHz. you're straight saying, and thinking, 2133 is going to have negligible affect vs 3200/3600Mhz? WHAT? Hardware unboxed don't even have 2133, just 2400, since no one with any sense would use 2133 in a gaming PC... And yeah look at how 2400 vs 3200 performance in some (most) games, and lower it even more to account for even less frequency in games that are memory sensitive or partially (which are most games). Hope you learnt something...
I was going to add this, but choose not to. Some people find overclocking DDR4 to be easy, esp to a decent speed/latency, but tbh, I don't think it's worth the time tuning it or the instability that you will very likely get. Don't get me wrong if you know what you are doing, then sure 100% overclock and hope for the best.
I have overclocked CPUs and GPUs for a long time but never even touched ram. Do you have any idea if JEDEC 3200 MT/s CL20 RAM has any headroom for OC? I know JEDEC isn't really meant for OC compared to DOCP memory but what's the hardware limit if any?
If it can do 3200MT/s 20-20-20 at 1.2v, I’d probably just send it and see if some various 1.35v XMP profiles that you can look up on G.Skill and Corsair. Just filter by your capacity and number of sticks, then check out some timings for 3200/3600/4000 (try the 4000 timings at 3800 if needed)
Like 3200 16-16-16-32, 16-18-18-36 or 16-20-20-38
3600 18-18-18-36 or 18-22-22-42
3800 19-23-23-45
At 1.35v, gear 1 (1:1) and command rate 2 are primaries I’ve had success with, and ASUS has some “optimized” secondary and tertiary timings, which are mostly just loose enough to mostly work.
Then I test with 4 passes of memtest86 on a bootable USB,
OCCT memory, CPU+RAM, Linpack, CPU. Cinebench R23, 2024 and Prime95. 4/8/16 hours per test for 16/32/64GB respectively.
But I pay for OCCT, otherwise you can only do 1 hour at a time.
Very much appreciated. Now I love to find hardware limits but how much would I really gain in terms of performance when I have a 5700X3D CPU? As far as my understanding goes, RAM speed doesn't have that big an impact in conjunction with these CPUs but would love to be told otherwise.
While the 2133 is a bummer, according to the sticker the sticks are CL15 and dual rank. Also only run at 1.2v, I'd be interested to see how far they could go with 1.35v-1.45v depending on die type.
Depending on how old said Office PC was, the hardware in it probably isn't rated to run RAM faster than 2133Mhz anyways. I'd see this with systems shipping with Intel 6th Gen chips back then. 2400Mhz RAM would only run at 2133Mhz on such systems.
I upgraded an HP ProDesk 600 G3 recently (and installed Linux onto it) which is in such a situation. Junked 32GB of 2600Mhz DDR4 RAM, installed it into the 600 G3, and it only trained at 2400Mhz.
I think going forward standard JEDEC-spec memory (DDR4 and DDR5) is going to be the go-to. People were just buying the factory overclocked memory because it was dirt cheap.
Even with DDR5, the difference between DDR5-8000 CL38 and 4800 CL40 is 4.5% at 1440p with a 4090:
Both CL38 8000 and CL40 4800 are not ideal ram though... Non ideal ram, also has less affect on FPS and 0.1% lows on higher resolutions, but using non ideal ram with higher end GPUs, like a 4090, even in higher res, will make you drop FPS/0.1% in SOME games.
8000 CL38 while the latency is shit, the bandwith/frquency is high enough that is can perform close to 6000 CL30 though. But it is still not ideal, esp on an AMD system where the infinity fabric prefer spesific optimal ram latency and speeds.
it's been well documents for 1.5+ decades lower latency and frequency ram can lead to worse FPS/0.1% lows in some (A lot of) games, some games it has no real affect (which I made clear in my post, 'good 0-25% FPS'). Esp on AMD getting subpar/suboptimal timing and speed for the infinity fabric can have bad results, in some games, esp on lower res. Some games at 1080p it will have no effect, other will be a 3-25% drop in FPS AND lower 0.1% (which ofc show up to us as annoying stutters). The effects lower as res increase. BUT they increase if you are using more high-end GPUs, esp 0.1% lows. There more to it than that, but you get the picture, lot of factors (more than I mentioned), but it is very much noticeable to almost everyone.
Before when prices of good and bad RAM was so close, it made sense to just pay the tiny bit extra to not lose 5-25% FPS/0/1% lows in some games. You could MinMax and apply your use case, and make an argument for lower latency, but no point doing that, when difference in cost was what $10-30. Nowadays... IDK... Low end sure get lower speed or/and latancy. A 10-20% increase to 0.1%/FPS in some games for now a 10-20% increase in build price to get good Ram isn't gonna be worth it to many, it ofc made more sense when it was an increase of 1-3% of build cost.
Back in the day overclocking your RAM (or today overclocking low speed/latency ram) could give amazing gains to 0-20% FPS/0.1% low in some game, I wouldn't overclock my RAM (who wants to deal with the instability and tuning it, not worth it to me), but yeah it's why some people do, it give noticeable, tangible results.
Buying lower speed or CL ram is not ideal or good to do, even on the tightest budget, before this RAM price increase, nowadays... Not ideal but understandable.
You Gimped the PC in some games, to cheap out on RAM, when it was dirt cheap pre-crisis to get good/okay RAM vs 2133/2400)? Could have paid a bit more pre-RAM crisis to not ruin your FPS/0/1% lows in some games...
I'm playing at 1440p ultrawide, and ANY modern game, cyberpunk, borderlands 4 doses have some stutters but mostly stable but I also blame the unoptimized mess that is bl4, black desert online is stable 165 on remastered max settings.
Holy fuck dude you are so aggressive for no fucking reason. You might need to go on some anger meds.
Anyways I KNOW my ram is slow, I'm planning on upgrading to am5 and ddr5 but I'm currently hitting my target of 165 so I don't feel the need to do it AT THIS MOMENT WHEN RAM COSTS AS MUCH AS A GPU, SO CALM UR TITS
Gold mining but now you have to buy a used PC and take out the ram. I just struck 32gb ddr5 cl 36, 6000mhz gskill for 100 bucks and feel like a winner because it's over 500 in retail... Sick times to build a pc
I bought ddr4 16 for like $200 back in 2017 when it was sold out everywhere during a shortage. That's why I made the comment lol. This stuff happens every couple of years now it seems
When we got new PCs in our office i took one of the old ones for my brother to use for his beamer. As a joke, and since they were easily accessible, i took all ram Sticks from the other PCs, that were in total 64gb of ddr4, which are now installed in a PC for literal Youtube and Netflix lmao. Funny how the times change.
In today's market that's like digging for iron ore and striking a silver and gold vein lol.. what is 2025 even
2025 feels like an echo of what happened around 100 years ago.
Were RAM prices pretty bad then too?
Ram prices weren't bad, but ewe prices were murder.
Came here to give updoot just for this
Probably meaning people getting tired and get robbed by a very limited number of people (corporations) leading to bad things...
Nah they were for sure talking about the great RAM bubble of the 1930's.
Short answer: yes
Long answer:
Let's do some math. It's 1925, for long-term memory, your equivalent would be punch cards. Each card is 80 columns, or 80 bytes per card. For 16GB, that's a stack of ~200 million punched cards. 22-mile-high stack weighing about 550 tons, and costing ~$400,000 in paper alone.
For RAM specifically, you're looking at mechanical counters. Since IBM really only leased them and didn't sell them, we'll use a calculator for our example. In 1925 you could get a Monroe Model K with a 16-digit accumulator register. 16 decimal digits is 53 bits or ~6.6 bytes. Brand new, this calculator would set you back $400, which is ~$6500 in 2025 dollars.
$400/6.6 bytes = $60.61 per byte. That's $1.03 Trillion(!) in 1925 dollars, which is 11x the entire 1925 US economy, and around $18.5 trillion in 2025 dollars.
r/theydidthemath
I remember reading about how AI almost took over in the 9020s. Dark times we're having to relive
Found the time-traveler.
2133 Mhz... That's still dirt cheap, since it's for office PCs, and there a ton of stock for it, and gimps a gaming PC, massively. I'm talking a good 0-25% FPS hit in different games, since it is low frequency ram.
Edit: This is how much of clown show RAM is, this RAM was worth maybe $0.5-2 a stick before, now it's worth $3-5... For literal junk ram that came in a ton of office PC/prebuilts. Can't beleive I sold DDR4 3600MHz CL16 for $20 a few months ago, shit probably worth $80-100 easy in these joke times.
Still better than DDR3 lol
Yeah sure, but DDR3 is fucking ancient at this point (~11 years since DDR4 dropped and ~18 years since DDR3 dropped, legit ancient in PC hardware terms).
2133 is fine for normal use, but gonna be gimped asf in games. Anyways enjoy.
Not really. Back in the days my uncle used to have a 4x4gb kit of DDR3 2933MHz CL12. Unless you have a base spec DDR3 kit, chances are it's probably even faster than this DDR4 one.
1600MHz was pretty standard for "gaming" DDR3
You won't be gimped with 2133mhz.
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You are talking utter nonsense and this would be based on benchmarks.
I really would like to see numbers that show average fps will be affected by 20% or more over multiple titles just because you have 2133 RAM instead of 3200.
Performance in gaming is like 5-10% worse for the average user.
No you don't know what you are talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VElMNPXJtuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NVBNxB_TM
I think you can do the rest, you are not even arguing (all same CL) 2666/3000MHz. you're straight saying, and thinking, 2133 is going to have negligible affect vs 3200/3600Mhz? WHAT? Hardware unboxed don't even have 2133, just 2400, since no one with any sense would use 2133 in a gaming PC... And yeah look at how 2400 vs 3200 performance in some (most) games, and lower it even more to account for even less frequency in games that are memory sensitive or partially (which are most games). Hope you learnt something...
Can't you just oc it to 3200 or something like a normal person?
Sticks that say 3600 or whatever will run at 2400 or something natively, and only hit the advertised speed with xmp
You seem pretty mad you sold your old ram for so cheap, no need to shit on op so hard though lol
70 people upvote complete and utter nonsense.
The real world fps loss for 2133 vs 3200/3600 RAM is like 5-10%.
The difference between DDR5 and DDR4 is 5% in games.
LOL you really do not know wtf you are talking about but ooookay.
Not at the same speed. DDR3 2133 exists, as does 2400. They have higher throughput than the equivalent DDR4 due to lower latency.
Also much harder to run stable at that speed so it's not really something everyone will be able to use.
this is not true.
just having ddr3 or ddr4 does not change a thing. Bigger numbers do not make it better.
My DDR3 system ran 2000 cl8 on Socket 1366 , so any generic 2133 cl15 ddr4 stick is about half as fast as that.
I agree, they are speaking like perfectly usable ram is end of the world.
not really, I have triple channel ddr3-1960cl11 on some bad ram on a X58 pc and it's faster than my laptop that uses 32gb ddr4-2667cl19
You can probably try out some common XMP settings to see if they can run faster.
Like I have a 2666MT/s 16-18-18-36 1.2v that runs at 3800MT/s 19-23-23-45 1.35, and has passed like 1-2 days of stresstesting on that.
I think I have two old 2133 sets from the early DDR4 days I should test too.
I was going to add this, but choose not to. Some people find overclocking DDR4 to be easy, esp to a decent speed/latency, but tbh, I don't think it's worth the time tuning it or the instability that you will very likely get. Don't get me wrong if you know what you are doing, then sure 100% overclock and hope for the best.
I have overclocked CPUs and GPUs for a long time but never even touched ram. Do you have any idea if JEDEC 3200 MT/s CL20 RAM has any headroom for OC? I know JEDEC isn't really meant for OC compared to DOCP memory but what's the hardware limit if any?
If it can do 3200MT/s 20-20-20 at 1.2v, I’d probably just send it and see if some various 1.35v XMP profiles that you can look up on G.Skill and Corsair. Just filter by your capacity and number of sticks, then check out some timings for 3200/3600/4000 (try the 4000 timings at 3800 if needed)
Like 3200 16-16-16-32, 16-18-18-36 or 16-20-20-38
3600 18-18-18-36 or 18-22-22-42
3800 19-23-23-45
At 1.35v, gear 1 (1:1) and command rate 2 are primaries I’ve had success with, and ASUS has some “optimized” secondary and tertiary timings, which are mostly just loose enough to mostly work.
Then I test with 4 passes of memtest86 on a bootable USB,
OCCT memory, CPU+RAM, Linpack, CPU. Cinebench R23, 2024 and Prime95. 4/8/16 hours per test for 16/32/64GB respectively.
But I pay for OCCT, otherwise you can only do 1 hour at a time.
And here’s the guide mostly used over at /r/overcklocking
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md
Very much appreciated. Now I love to find hardware limits but how much would I really gain in terms of performance when I have a 5700X3D CPU? As far as my understanding goes, RAM speed doesn't have that big an impact in conjunction with these CPUs but would love to be told otherwise.
I put 2x32gb 3600 c16 up on eBay for 300 last week cause I was parting out my old stuff, it sold in less than an hour. The pricing is actually insane
That's what I remember 64GB kits cost back in early 2021...
Shiiiiit, i have 2x16
26002666, am i rich?2600?
That’s a very strange frequency
Probably 2666
That ram is a beast.
While the 2133 is a bummer, according to the sticker the sticks are CL15 and dual rank. Also only run at 1.2v, I'd be interested to see how far they could go with 1.35v-1.45v depending on die type.
Depending on how old said Office PC was, the hardware in it probably isn't rated to run RAM faster than 2133Mhz anyways. I'd see this with systems shipping with Intel 6th Gen chips back then. 2400Mhz RAM would only run at 2133Mhz on such systems.
I upgraded an HP ProDesk 600 G3 recently (and installed Linux onto it) which is in such a situation. Junked 32GB of 2600Mhz DDR4 RAM, installed it into the 600 G3, and it only trained at 2400Mhz.
I think going forward standard JEDEC-spec memory (DDR4 and DDR5) is going to be the go-to. People were just buying the factory overclocked memory because it was dirt cheap.
Even with DDR5, the difference between DDR5-8000 CL38 and 4800 CL40 is 4.5% at 1440p with a 4090:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ddr5-memory-performance-scaling-with-amd-zen-5/17.html
Both CL38 8000 and CL40 4800 are not ideal ram though... Non ideal ram, also has less affect on FPS and 0.1% lows on higher resolutions, but using non ideal ram with higher end GPUs, like a 4090, even in higher res, will make you drop FPS/0.1% in SOME games.
8000 CL38 while the latency is shit, the bandwith/frquency is high enough that is can perform close to 6000 CL30 though. But it is still not ideal, esp on an AMD system where the infinity fabric prefer spesific optimal ram latency and speeds.
Do that same testing with Intel and try again, in every single game I’ve tested it’s more like 20/30% in averages and lows.
In beamng the difference is 100%, tripleA ultra is a such a stupid way to test ram.
Also look at this clown I'm running ddr4 2133 in my machine and I get 165+ fps in most games
Go look at the benchmarks..
it's been well documents for 1.5+ decades lower latency and frequency ram can lead to worse FPS/0.1% lows in some (A lot of) games, some games it has no real affect (which I made clear in my post, 'good 0-25% FPS'). Esp on AMD getting subpar/suboptimal timing and speed for the infinity fabric can have bad results, in some games, esp on lower res. Some games at 1080p it will have no effect, other will be a 3-25% drop in FPS AND lower 0.1% (which ofc show up to us as annoying stutters). The effects lower as res increase. BUT they increase if you are using more high-end GPUs, esp 0.1% lows. There more to it than that, but you get the picture, lot of factors (more than I mentioned), but it is very much noticeable to almost everyone.
Before when prices of good and bad RAM was so close, it made sense to just pay the tiny bit extra to not lose 5-25% FPS/0/1% lows in some games. You could MinMax and apply your use case, and make an argument for lower latency, but no point doing that, when difference in cost was what $10-30. Nowadays... IDK... Low end sure get lower speed or/and latancy. A 10-20% increase to 0.1%/FPS in some games for now a 10-20% increase in build price to get good Ram isn't gonna be worth it to many, it ofc made more sense when it was an increase of 1-3% of build cost.
Back in the day overclocking your RAM (or today overclocking low speed/latency ram) could give amazing gains to 0-20% FPS/0.1% low in some game, I wouldn't overclock my RAM (who wants to deal with the instability and tuning it, not worth it to me), but yeah it's why some people do, it give noticeable, tangible results.
Buying lower speed or CL ram is not ideal or good to do, even on the tightest budget, before this RAM price increase, nowadays... Not ideal but understandable.
You Gimped the PC in some games, to cheap out on RAM, when it was dirt cheap pre-crisis to get good/okay RAM vs 2133/2400)? Could have paid a bit more pre-RAM crisis to not ruin your FPS/0/1% lows in some games...
I'm playing at 1440p ultrawide, and ANY modern game, cyberpunk, borderlands 4 doses have some stutters but mostly stable but I also blame the unoptimized mess that is bl4, black desert online is stable 165 on remastered max settings.
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Amd 5800xt Gigabyte 5080 32gb ddr4 2133mhz 1tb nvme
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Holy fuck dude you are so aggressive for no fucking reason. You might need to go on some anger meds.
Anyways I KNOW my ram is slow, I'm planning on upgrading to am5 and ddr5 but I'm currently hitting my target of 165 so I don't feel the need to do it AT THIS MOMENT WHEN RAM COSTS AS MUCH AS A GPU, SO CALM UR TITS
I gave up 16GB 3000cl15 kit for free to a friend few months ago, so you are fine fith $20, lol
all true
2 months ago, I got 32gb ddr 4 3600 for £25
I paid €63 for mine…
Still a much better deal than whatever the fuck DDR4 costs now lmao
Stop. People will start scalping used PCs for RAM.
That's not what I'm doing, I'm just excited to have a newer PC that I can use with DDR4 memory, I might even be able to play online games on it
I been on 32gb ddr4 for 10 years almost, people called me crazy, now look. 😂😂😂 I wanna say it's Cl19 too 2666 XMP to 3000
Yeah I still have 2666 ddr4 ram, been meaning to upgrade for a while but now this ram shit hits 😂 just my luck right after I bought a new gpu
I guess we've reached a point where shucking PC's for ram is viable
I'm not shucking it lol, I'm just excited to have a DDR4 compatible machine with a newer processor
Gold mining but now you have to buy a used PC and take out the ram. I just struck 32gb ddr5 cl 36, 6000mhz gskill for 100 bucks and feel like a winner because it's over 500 in retail... Sick times to build a pc
I mean everything about this PC is faster than my old one. It's not an "I'm taking the ram out," thing it's a "wow! Such great specs!" Thing
ladies and gentlemen, we are now back in 2017.
This PC is actually from 2015, which oddly enough is the newest one I have I think
I went on Newegg and was like "Dang! These are Pandemic Silicon Shortage prices!"
I bought ddr4 16 for like $200 back in 2017 when it was sold out everywhere during a shortage. That's why I made the comment lol. This stuff happens every couple of years now it seems
Earlier retirement bitchas
Yes, I am very happy to have gotten such a good deal on a computer
Ooh, base speed DDR4... Grimaces
It's faster than what I've been using, that's for sure
i have to be honest good thing i bought 16gb ddr4 ram in 2024
I remember 64GB DDR4 kits were ~$90 in August 2024...
It’s a brand I’ve never seen and 2133 but if it works cool
I got a single stick of ddr5 patriot viper ram 16gig laying around what is it worth
Don't ask me, but probably a lot more than you bought it for
Got it for free😂
When we got new PCs in our office i took one of the old ones for my brother to use for his beamer. As a joke, and since they were easily accessible, i took all ram Sticks from the other PCs, that were in total 64gb of ddr4, which are now installed in a PC for literal Youtube and Netflix lmao. Funny how the times change.
Meh now try with ddr5 anything beyond 6000mhz… even 8gb modules are like $100 a piece
I do not care
thats not ram sir thats sesame seeds that look like ram sticks dont get fooled
This shouldn’t have been a huge thing
An i see listings for ddr4 ecc 64gb 4 sick kit for 55€
Its crazy that finding 16gb of ddr4 is an accomplishment, happy you got a pc friend what gpu you gonna put in it
Yeah but it’s 2133MHz
I'm upgrading from probably 1600mhz DDR3, and it's a new CPU, I'm happy.
But it's slow
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