Hello all, I just upgraded the pc from Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 to a MSI Suprim SOC 5090 (Gaming Bios). How can the results get worse?!?

Graphics driver is a clean fresh install. CPU is the same. Power Limit in MSI Afterburner is already set all the way up to 100%. I changed nothing in MSI Afterburner. PSU is 1500watt. Unchanged. After increasing CPU cooling performance, Temps got lower but Score remained the same.

Appreciate your help!

Update: Apparentely time spy is not the right tool to test the 5090. After testing in time spy extreme, the graphics score was then realistic. Thank you for helping.

  • Your CPU is underperforming, so it seems that is bottlenecking the GPU.

    After increasing CPU cooling performance, Temps got lower but Score remained the same.

    Between the CPU score that's ~3,000 points lower and 12C higher average CPU temp, I would bet that this is the right troubleshooting path to go down.

    Why would there be a CPU bottleneck in the Time Spy graphics test? It's not like the firestrike combined test. Much more likely OP grossly misconfigured something like enabled FPS cap.

    He lost 22% on CPU score vs previous Test. Regular Time spy test is 1440p with very low GPU load for current standards, and to make it worse it scales in performance very bad with modern GPUs.

    Steel Nomad would be more useful to discard any issue related with the GPU.

    But then it should also do that with a 4090 no?

    Look at CPU score comparison.

    Ah. Good catch. Maybe the cpu is being power limited by the 5090

    That’s not a thing 💀

    could that be possible if op has a weak psu?

    PSU will just shut down when there is an overcurrent, at least any half decent one will.

    You messed up something cpu related or somwthing ran while doing your test just look at the cpu numbers

  • the CPU is running significantly hotter than it did in the 4090 test

    This is my thought avrage clock still says 4.7ghz but it could be clock stretching I don't think the driver overhead is 30%. 

    Op can check real clock in hwinfo64 or throttle stop on a second monitor 

  • if you look at the results breakdown the gpu score is basically the same between the 4090 and 5090 so 1 there is a cpu bottleneck. And 2 something is wrong with your cpu setup. The original 4090 score in 2023 you peaked at 69c versus your current 5090 run at 81c. Not sure of you are running aio or air cooling, could be thermal paste or dust filters on your case intakes which im less inclined to believe due to the 5090 running cooler than the 4090 but that could be due to larger heatsinks on 5090’s.

    After increasing CPU cooling performance, Temps got lower but Score remained the same.

    Yea looks like a cpu bottleneck then, seeing as the 5090 and 4090 have the same graphics score in your breakdowns at least in base time spy. I’d bet in timespy extreme the score would be better on the 5090 than the 4090 for you since its a heavier graphics test.

    exactly, this is it

    It says that these results are from timespy, not timespy extreme.

  • Remember time spy is 1440p render and CPU will bottleneck the GPU If you want better performance do a slight undervolt and raise P-core clock speeds I have a laptop CPU paired with a desktop 4090 and get 34k. Edit, fixed resolution to 1440p

    TS is 1440P and TSE is 4K. Don't confuse with FS

    Oops yeah it's 1440

    If that were true the cpu score would be the same on both

    The benchmarks are taken almost 3 years apart. There are systems updates and possibly more background apps installed. The older system might be a lot cleaner.

    You won’t see a 25% reduction just from updates.

    He could be comparing his all time high TS 4090 score from the past to the most recent run. CPU scores do vary with highs and lows. And background processes such as antivirus, accessory apps, social apps do contribute to a lower score. Then it's power limits, and CPU turbo does require a cool down time between runs (EDP limits set by mobo)

    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/53787104/spy/61242609# I get a 25% reduction in cpu performance running consecutive benchmarks.

  • cpu thermal trothling? avarage temp much higher, i guess but the cpu score is the key

    After increasing CPU cooling performance, Temps got lower but Score remained the same.

    Pls overclock the CPU a bit. OC the P cores and cache a bit - you'll gain performance 100%

  • Could be wrong but;

    Others have mentiond the cpu score which is valid but average clock speed shows 4.7ghz for both, temps are higher (fix that i guess) but the gpus are almost identical.

    Do you have a fps cap set? If the 4090 and 5090 both are hitting that cap, they would score similar. FPS caps and V sync should be disabled for 3dmark.

    edit:

    Still doesn't explain why the cpu fps score is so different though. Your gpu in test 2 is also hitting the same fps and under 240 so i assume it isn't a fps cap issue too... It's almost like you got a 4090 in a 5090 case lol.

    edit 2:

    Do the run with hwinfo64 running and track the gpu power draw. Also how is the card connected. The fact that both 4090 and 5090 looks similar in fps makes me think the 5090 is limited to 4090 power, i don't think this is a cpu issue at all, you do have some sorta issue in the pic.. 12k cpu score for example but i would still expect a change in gpu score.

    well apparently this test is not the correct one for these GPUs, I tried time spy extreme and there the 5090 shined. Beside that, the performance in all games has significantly increased. what a beast of a card

    Would still check hwinfo64 for power draw, make sure it's actually able to pull over 450w.

    If you're using a 12vhpwr cable (not the squid) it's possible the cable might be 450w limit, there's a way to tell, something with the amount of sense pins or something...

    Youtubed 5090 timespy extreme and saw someone get 28-29k.

    I just loaded 3dmark too... Not extreme.

    9800x3d + 5090 suprim - silent bios, undervolted to 0.9v

    I got 438w max power draw, 47422 gpu score, 15563 cpu score. Got a ton of crap open, just quickly disabled Vsync/Fps caps and ran it.

    Gpu test 1: 312.10fps Gpu test 2: 269.58 fps cpu test: 52.29 fps

    Driver: 581.42

    edit:

    Also ran Timespy Extreme.

    24995 gpu score, 7292 cpu score gpu test 1: 153.12 fps gpu test 2: 151.85 fps Average sim time per frame: 48.0ms

    gpu power peak: 494w (This is with undervolt).

    I guess the next step is to test my card with a newer CPU...

    Did you actually check what your 12vhpwr cable is spec'd for though lol.

    Some psus ship with 450w, if that's the case ofc your GPU performance would barely change from 4090 in these tests.

    Games might show better fps because they don't require as much power and i believe even if you power limit a 5090 to 4090 power, it's slightly better fps still.

    But look at my edit for extreme scores, my gpu also hit 24k in extreme. No idea about stock or anything but check your cable specs.

    What psu model do you have and are you using the supplied cable from the psu?

    Edit:

    I do have numbers i did when i got the gpu for stock benchmark scores in Wukong and cyberpunk if you want them / have them to run a comparison. But i would still look what the cable is rated for first, could be a very easy fix (IF anything is wrong that is).

    Since OP didn't bother answering, "1500w" makes me think it might be some generic unreliable psu which is failing to fully deliver the power required...

  • that is really low, not enough power form PS?

    is your frames capped?

    well during the test the fps varies up and down according to the scene but the are def. not capped...

  • Very interesting CPU temps in the chart to but I see the average clock on the 5090 looks also less stable compare to your 4090 results.

  • CPU score is the biggest metric to look at here. Both benchmarks span about 2.5 years between each other. Temps are much higher on the 5090 benchmark than on the 4090 benchmark. I’m wondering if there is some vulnerability patches or something along those lines that has decreased the performance, but a drop of 24% seems like quite a lot even for that. One metric we don’t see here is memory speed. I’ve forgotten if 12th Gen is affected by faster RAM but wondering if your XMP profile or something has disabled since 2023? Thus, causing a decrease in performance.

  • I can confirm this. I had a similar observation jumping from 4090 to 5090 with 450W limit. I thought that due to power limit there is no big difference but with new processor i got 8000 points more in graphics score of timespy

    well the power draw of the card is 600watt. In steel nomad i got 15034, its better now

  • judging by the massive temp difference in your CPU, you're experiencing a bottleneck with your i7 - are your rendering this below at 1080p / 2k? Try rerunning the test at 4k to see if theres any difference.

    thats a good point. I will test with time spy extreme in 4k. what graphic score should I achieve?

    so I tested now with time spy extreme and got 25219 for graphic score, is this alright?

    Dont over think it!! None of this will be noticed at the desk level. Essentially you're just seeing computation technology from 2025 surpass what was available Q1 2022, when your CPU was released aka your GPU process frames quicker than your cpu, that doesnt mean its going to lag.

    Enjoy the beast!!!

  • CPU bottleneck I agreeeee

    Sweet lord what a score

    Nice score, but thats not the OP's pc?

    This is the OP score vs the one I posted above with the 13600K. My best guess is that OP have a more bloated OS now.

    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/61273891/spy/57921410

    Edit. I can also see that OP don't use XMP anymore (DDR4 @ 2,132 MHz vs DDR4 @ 3,600 MHz when running with 4090). 3DM Time Spy love higher memory speed.

  • Try overclocking the gpu the slightest and giving it more power in msi afterburner, and setting max perfomance in windows power plan could also help, google how to unlock that via command line if you need

  • Reinstall the driver. Reset Afterburner setting. Ignore other comments.

    did this. No change.

  • Check the power draw through hwinfo or the nvidia app. If it is capped at 450 watts check your HVHPWR and make sure it’s fully connected at both ends. I had it only run 450 watts when the cable popped out on the PSU side from editing the PC. (Yes that was concerning)

    Every 3/4 months I do a cable check, 5min to bring me Peace of mind only.

    Don’t unplug it they wear out over time

    Naw bro, I’m not mention to unplugged it, I said just checking, which means see if it is sticked together and no gaps (maybe put some pression just in case).

  • Correct mounting pressure ?

  • Unrelated but what resolution do you play in? If it’s not 4k you’re going to massively cpu bottlenecked in most games.

    well i do vr mostly, with pimax crystal super

  • Have you checked on your card which physical Dual-BIOS mode the card is currently set to?

    Maybe it's set to the conservative Silent Mode instead of the Performance / OC Gaming mode. That would explain the lack of performance gains then.

    Should be a small switch on one of the sides (usually it's next to the power connector on most.

    it is set to gaming mode

  • Seems like your case airflow isn’t good enough for the 5090. Having read that you upgraded the cooler and still didn’t reach the scores from before that’s my bet anyways

  • Your cpu score dropped off a cliff for some reason, Id probably say that's the suspect. Have you tried running steel nomad and checked if your 5090 is where it should be? It doesnt take into consideration the cpu so should be fine as a test as I dont think it would push the cpu temps up.

  • Different versions of 3dmark can have different scores. The only way to increase your performance is with a better CPU or with overclocking.

    That CPU can do 5.4Ghz on overclock with good cooling.

    lol yeah maybe when 1.6+ volts.

  • It seems like a combination of factors, I think the CPU is the bottleneck in this test, also your GPU is not performing well, it could be a problem with drivers not installed correctly, you will have to do some testing.

    well the power draw of the card is 600watt. In steel nomad i got 15034, its better now

  • i got 28500 yesterday with an 5080 and i9 10900 k something is very off with your system
    it looks like cooling or an broken ram

  • Why do people still use timespy? It's a decade old at this point and not designed for modern hardware

  • Do you expecting that 12th gen i7 with a 5090 to be perform just as 9950x3d with a 5090 or what?

  • Not to be a communist but... That's what you get for upgrading every generation to a 90 series card.

  • The 5090 isn't designed for gaming, but it is for heavy-duty work. The 5080 is more than enough.

    well the power draw of the card is 600watt. In steel nomad i got 15034, its better now

  • What resolution is this?

  • Can i ask what you do that required an upgrade from a 4090 to a 5090

    Pimax crystal VR approx. 5000x5000 per eye resultion

  • Time for a 9800x3d

    picked a 7800x3d, should suffice for VR

  • power limits it seems

    where can I set it?

    Msi afterburner or nvidia app

    Msi afterburner, watch a video on it and adjust it slowly

    I just checked MSI Afterburner, Power Limit is already set all the way up to 100%, so this can not be the cause :( ....

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    100 should be already faster than 4090.

    Don’t set your power limit over 100% on a 5090 unless you know what you’re doing

  • Flash the matrix bios to your gpu to unlock its full preformance

  • I think this website is doing something wrong lol. Says a 9950X3D will bottleneck an RTX 5090 which obviously isn't true.

    True mate, it is bugged now, did not know. Earlier this site was so cool.

    I mean, maybe with an incredibly shittily optimized title it is possible.... But yea, this whole site is very suspect - the way the CPUs and GPUs are apparently in vibe-based order is a red flag and made me feel like I was having a stroke...

  • Timespy regular isn't a strong enough test for a 5090. You have to use timespy extreme or steel nomad/speedway.

  • how the fuck do you even consider going from a 4090 to a 5090 for one of the measliest improvement between flagships ever when you have a CPU like this?.

  • don’t use this site/tool. use 3DMark

    This is 3dmark?

    fuck! you’re right I’m sorry

    yes this is 3dmark