VID voltages are not really relevant, Vcore as you've already highlighted Red, is important though.
You need to configure that Hwinfo layout significantly, whats with it all being smushed up and elongated, hide all the BS you don't care to look at, like C-states... i mean even hide the iGPU, I'm sure you couldn't care less about that either, the ram multiplier and timings, who cares, but memory temps (YES of course).
Maybe it's just me, but i can't stand clutter and with that screenshot it's hard to tell what is what, did you pull 220w or 232w or 200w, like which is it, what was the timer on at the bottom, how long before taking that screenshot was it.
Expanding Vids in my eyes, is totally pointless, all it's telling us, is that your CPU is requesting more voltage than its actually being supplied, from what i can see, some of your E cores are not even active in this picture either, so is this immediately after the run finished?
I've also never seen any 14900k, let alone a 14900KS being able to hit anywhere near 6.1ghz during a R23 run without a full blown delid, direct die and custom loop, max for a standard setup is like 5.5ghz under that load. Those temps seem almost too low to me as well, not that it's readable, but what is your total package temp? thats what i would be counting as the real max temp, is it 81c? 81c would probably scale similiarly to mine under that load, given it would pull more wattage.
Don't get me wrong, 39k is solid if your pulling less than 250w, thats for certain but it's really kinda hard to actually guage what exactly is going on from that screenshot, it almost looks intentionally deceptive, be a little more transparent about the reality of how long it was idling, when the screenshot was taken etc. I have a whole big custom loop with a MORA 400 attached and an airconditioner pointed directly at the MORA, i still wouldn't see 6.1ghz during an R23 run, i wouldn't even see 5.9ghz under that load either.
If that is an accurate representation, then you've one the silicon lottery and should be delidding it so you can get some mental score like 43-45k score, thats what i would expect if all of that is any indication to go off. I mean 6.1ghz with over 200w and temps from P and E cores ranging between the 50's and 60's with just an AIO and no delid while smashing R23 is mind boggling. It looks like you have almost no Vroop, the difference in your load vs peak voltage, which i would have to assume is at idle, is a measly 20mV.
So i am curious, what exactly is your loadline calibrated to, voltage settings and boards rating of the SP score of that specific 14900KS?
Excellent reply mate. Noo it isn't hitting 6.1 during the run at all. My undervolt makes it impossible for it to hit that. It's all default in terms of PL1 253 and PL2 is 320. I'll video it for you just to show I'm not being misleading mate. The reason hwinfo is so compact is because one of my screen is in portrait
Yeah that makes more sense, to be honest, without an undervolt, it still wouldn't hit 6.1ghz in R23, i've only ever seen a delidding 14900KS do that in R23 and i even think he might of had a chiller in the loop possibly.
But fair enough, I'm surprised you don't have both PL1 and PL2 set to 320w, thats what mine defaults to when selecting Intels Extreme profile, but then obviously we make tweaks afterwards, did you lower PL1 yourself? or did it quite literally default to that under the base Extreme profile?
The screenshot makes more sense now, Hwinfo's layout is designed to expand horizontally and not vertically, so i guess that would probably just smush everything up like that, can't blame you for that, it makes sense.
Yeah, it's pretty much stock apart from what I mentioned and the undervolt plus ram timings and xmp. Honestly the reason I haven't set PL1 is because the performance difference isn't that huge in comparison to the power savings, yeah I set it in the bios. The video as promised is below. I was playing squads for about an hour and had hwinfo open for 40min.
My load line is set to 5 with AC set to 0.17 and DC is 0.75. The SP is 109.
You know what, I wasn’t expecting a video but after watching it, you have a solid 14900ks, it’s super responsive even when running R23.
Still scoring within a close range of 39k too, and the most surprising part about it, is how efficient it runs.
You sir, are one lucky bastard, I know my 14900ks is extremely average. It’s not a slouch, but it’s also not going to win any awards, I’m happy with it but your results are still very surprising.
It’s very interesting that it’s mostly stock settings, what undervolt and LLC are you running with it?
Your Vcore is surprisingly low, do you do anything specific in terms of windows and services optimisations or anything? Like have process lasso optimised or a certain version of bare bones windows or anything like that?
However its setup, it’s impressive result either way, these chips don’t exactly run optimally straight out of the box.
Honestly before your reply i thought i just had a average chip. I have attached all my bios config for you below mate. My windows is completly stock but im running windows 11 23H2 because i still use VR. I dont use process lasso. I have just changed my power settings to 350 and i have attached the screen shot of the new results below as well. In terms of deliding, it seems that my results are good enough from your comment to keep my warrenty intact just in case.
Ohhh i see now, your using the Asus OC profile instead of the Intel Extreme Profile, makes sense now why your settings appeared all kinds of different. Asus did a decent job on the tune with your board, last time i tried that profile, it was terrible on my board in comparison to yours. You also have Die Sense, your lucky to have that, you find that on APEX boards too.
You have a custom tuned AC/DC loadline with LLC5, i use LLC5 but never bothered tuning the AC/DC loadline, i think mine might actually have the "Sync AC with DC loadline" option enabled. You also have less of an undervolt than i'm running, i have a -100mV, yours is -70mV and your Vcore is still much lower.
Okay so my suspicions were correct, your SP rating alone is higher than mine, yours is 109 overall, which is pretty decent, mine is 102, i wouldn't of expected 7 points to have night and day different Vcore values though, but i suppose that might be due to tuning the AC/DC loadline separately, which i havent done.
I still score the same range in R23 as you though, the highest i've scored was 42.2k, but that just makes me think that your able to do even better than that if you really tried to.
How long has that Hwinfo been running for when you took that screenshot? I noticed that your 2 favoured cores are not hitting 6.1ghz, I'm wondering if thats a result of having such a low Vcore. I know that my sweet spot for the undervolt is between -90mV and -100mV with how it's currently set up and going above -100mV, shows me that it gets harder to reach the 6.1ghz.
I just checked and im using windows version 24H2, but yeah your SP score overall shows that your CPU silicon is binned a bit better than mine, so it should overall be better across the board. You also get very accurate readings with Die sense as a bonus, im using the Strix Z790i, which is about as good as it gets for ITX motherboards, but obviously lacks things like Die Sense, i suspect in general, bigger boards will generally always have beefier specs in terms of power phases and VRM due to the additional PCB room.
The only reason I'm using the Asus profile is because on this Asus Z690 Maximus Extreme, if i use the Intel extreme profile, it changes the power limits but my cpu's perfomance is gimped. I dont know why i tried everything. So i set the Asus profile up, then change manually.
Yes I was told that Asus tune is automatically but I found changing it myself was giving me better results. I followed the OC guide over on overclockers forum.
Give it ago and see what you get.
I just restarted and took the results. Yeah its due to the undervolt. If i reduce it, it will boost upto 6.2.
What timings are you running and frequency? Max i can get it 54ns with 2x32GB @ 6600MHZ?
Temps are good, cb.score/power usage is also relevant to IccMax=307 you used.
If you need higher score for production tasks then you should increase IccMax, if you don't (e.g. for gaming) - it is a good safety measure against power viruses, keep it at 307
If you only ran one cinebench cycle instead of a full 10-minute run, then the temperatures are less meaningful, especially with an AIO. 63C is still great, but long-term performance is generally more important.
And just so you know, the thermal limits aren't an effective protection measure when delidded. The CPU can easily pull more current than the chip can handle without degradation or thermal throttling.
Oh, that 14900K absolutely degraded, despite running at max 1450 mV request. These chips aren't built to handle the current draw in all-core loads at high clock speeds and voltages.
VID voltages are not really relevant, Vcore as you've already highlighted Red, is important though.
You need to configure that Hwinfo layout significantly, whats with it all being smushed up and elongated, hide all the BS you don't care to look at, like C-states... i mean even hide the iGPU, I'm sure you couldn't care less about that either, the ram multiplier and timings, who cares, but memory temps (YES of course).
Maybe it's just me, but i can't stand clutter and with that screenshot it's hard to tell what is what, did you pull 220w or 232w or 200w, like which is it, what was the timer on at the bottom, how long before taking that screenshot was it.
Expanding Vids in my eyes, is totally pointless, all it's telling us, is that your CPU is requesting more voltage than its actually being supplied, from what i can see, some of your E cores are not even active in this picture either, so is this immediately after the run finished?
I've also never seen any 14900k, let alone a 14900KS being able to hit anywhere near 6.1ghz during a R23 run without a full blown delid, direct die and custom loop, max for a standard setup is like 5.5ghz under that load. Those temps seem almost too low to me as well, not that it's readable, but what is your total package temp? thats what i would be counting as the real max temp, is it 81c? 81c would probably scale similiarly to mine under that load, given it would pull more wattage.
Don't get me wrong, 39k is solid if your pulling less than 250w, thats for certain but it's really kinda hard to actually guage what exactly is going on from that screenshot, it almost looks intentionally deceptive, be a little more transparent about the reality of how long it was idling, when the screenshot was taken etc. I have a whole big custom loop with a MORA 400 attached and an airconditioner pointed directly at the MORA, i still wouldn't see 6.1ghz during an R23 run, i wouldn't even see 5.9ghz under that load either.
If that is an accurate representation, then you've one the silicon lottery and should be delidding it so you can get some mental score like 43-45k score, thats what i would expect if all of that is any indication to go off. I mean 6.1ghz with over 200w and temps from P and E cores ranging between the 50's and 60's with just an AIO and no delid while smashing R23 is mind boggling. It looks like you have almost no Vroop, the difference in your load vs peak voltage, which i would have to assume is at idle, is a measly 20mV.
So i am curious, what exactly is your loadline calibrated to, voltage settings and boards rating of the SP score of that specific 14900KS?
Excellent reply mate. Noo it isn't hitting 6.1 during the run at all. My undervolt makes it impossible for it to hit that. It's all default in terms of PL1 253 and PL2 is 320. I'll video it for you just to show I'm not being misleading mate. The reason hwinfo is so compact is because one of my screen is in portrait
Yeah that makes more sense, to be honest, without an undervolt, it still wouldn't hit 6.1ghz in R23, i've only ever seen a delidding 14900KS do that in R23 and i even think he might of had a chiller in the loop possibly.
But fair enough, I'm surprised you don't have both PL1 and PL2 set to 320w, thats what mine defaults to when selecting Intels Extreme profile, but then obviously we make tweaks afterwards, did you lower PL1 yourself? or did it quite literally default to that under the base Extreme profile?
The screenshot makes more sense now, Hwinfo's layout is designed to expand horizontally and not vertically, so i guess that would probably just smush everything up like that, can't blame you for that, it makes sense.
Yeah, it's pretty much stock apart from what I mentioned and the undervolt plus ram timings and xmp. Honestly the reason I haven't set PL1 is because the performance difference isn't that huge in comparison to the power savings, yeah I set it in the bios. The video as promised is below. I was playing squads for about an hour and had hwinfo open for 40min.
My load line is set to 5 with AC set to 0.17 and DC is 0.75. The SP is 109.
PL1 253 PL2 320 Max current 307
https://youtube.com/shorts/pVmgnG_gf2A?si=QnC5kMx5lnkvu04h
You know what, I wasn’t expecting a video but after watching it, you have a solid 14900ks, it’s super responsive even when running R23.
Still scoring within a close range of 39k too, and the most surprising part about it, is how efficient it runs.
You sir, are one lucky bastard, I know my 14900ks is extremely average. It’s not a slouch, but it’s also not going to win any awards, I’m happy with it but your results are still very surprising.
It’s very interesting that it’s mostly stock settings, what undervolt and LLC are you running with it?
Your Vcore is surprisingly low, do you do anything specific in terms of windows and services optimisations or anything? Like have process lasso optimised or a certain version of bare bones windows or anything like that?
However its setup, it’s impressive result either way, these chips don’t exactly run optimally straight out of the box.
Honestly before your reply i thought i just had a average chip. I have attached all my bios config for you below mate. My windows is completly stock but im running windows 11 23H2 because i still use VR. I dont use process lasso. I have just changed my power settings to 350 and i have attached the screen shot of the new results below as well. In terms of deliding, it seems that my results are good enough from your comment to keep my warrenty intact just in case.
New results with power limits:
https://ibb.co/d0dLQLr3
https://ibb.co/Z6GBj08X
Bios:
https://ibb.co/Pzth538J
https://ibb.co/7dYRkwWk
https://ibb.co/t18QbG5
https://ibb.co/fz5WkDDb
https://ibb.co/7N0r9Yq2
https://ibb.co/DfxCK3QY
https://ibb.co/HkzkHxs
Ohhh i see now, your using the Asus OC profile instead of the Intel Extreme Profile, makes sense now why your settings appeared all kinds of different. Asus did a decent job on the tune with your board, last time i tried that profile, it was terrible on my board in comparison to yours. You also have Die Sense, your lucky to have that, you find that on APEX boards too.
You have a custom tuned AC/DC loadline with LLC5, i use LLC5 but never bothered tuning the AC/DC loadline, i think mine might actually have the "Sync AC with DC loadline" option enabled. You also have less of an undervolt than i'm running, i have a -100mV, yours is -70mV and your Vcore is still much lower.
Okay so my suspicions were correct, your SP rating alone is higher than mine, yours is 109 overall, which is pretty decent, mine is 102, i wouldn't of expected 7 points to have night and day different Vcore values though, but i suppose that might be due to tuning the AC/DC loadline separately, which i havent done.
I still score the same range in R23 as you though, the highest i've scored was 42.2k, but that just makes me think that your able to do even better than that if you really tried to.
How long has that Hwinfo been running for when you took that screenshot? I noticed that your 2 favoured cores are not hitting 6.1ghz, I'm wondering if thats a result of having such a low Vcore. I know that my sweet spot for the undervolt is between -90mV and -100mV with how it's currently set up and going above -100mV, shows me that it gets harder to reach the 6.1ghz.
I just checked and im using windows version 24H2, but yeah your SP score overall shows that your CPU silicon is binned a bit better than mine, so it should overall be better across the board. You also get very accurate readings with Die sense as a bonus, im using the Strix Z790i, which is about as good as it gets for ITX motherboards, but obviously lacks things like Die Sense, i suspect in general, bigger boards will generally always have beefier specs in terms of power phases and VRM due to the additional PCB room.
The only reason I'm using the Asus profile is because on this Asus Z690 Maximus Extreme, if i use the Intel extreme profile, it changes the power limits but my cpu's perfomance is gimped. I dont know why i tried everything. So i set the Asus profile up, then change manually.
Yes I was told that Asus tune is automatically but I found changing it myself was giving me better results. I followed the OC guide over on overclockers forum.
Give it ago and see what you get.
I just restarted and took the results. Yeah its due to the undervolt. If i reduce it, it will boost upto 6.2.
What timings are you running and frequency? Max i can get it 54ns with 2x32GB @ 6600MHZ?
if your temps are like in your pictures,
its amazing.
Yeah mate, room temp was 21 degrees. Using Artic Freezer 3 360 AIO
amazing.
Temps are good, cb.score/power usage is also relevant to IccMax=307 you used.
If you need higher score for production tasks then you should increase IccMax, if you don't (e.g. for gaming) - it is a good safety measure against power viruses, keep it at 307
Yeah my thought exactly
If you only ran one cinebench cycle instead of a full 10-minute run, then the temperatures are less meaningful, especially with an AIO. 63C is still great, but long-term performance is generally more important.
Fair comment. I'll run it more times and see the difference
Here's a picture from what I got on a delidded 14900K without power limits: https://i.imgur.com/4kQ1JE9.png
And just so you know, the thermal limits aren't an effective protection measure when delidded. The CPU can easily pull more current than the chip can handle without degradation or thermal throttling.
link isn't working mate. How long have you had it without power limits? so you haven't experienced any degradation issues?
Oh, that 14900K absolutely degraded, despite running at max 1450 mV request. These chips aren't built to handle the current draw in all-core loads at high clock speeds and voltages.
Needs some more tuning tbh ;) https://imgur.com/a/3gsWiwB - you should be able to do above 40k if your delidded and have appropriately configured LLC
The score I posted is using the stock IHS / with a 360 AIO @ 253w
Your link isnt working. I just changed my power limits and this is what i got. Everything is still the same with underclock etc.
https://ibb.co/d0dLQLr3
https://ibb.co/Z6GBj08X
Oh right. Not sure why the other one didnt work for you from Imgur as it seems fine from here.
I re-uploaded to ibb https://ibb.co/HDxhhyQ1