It's people that write/make romantic or sexual fanart of 2 characters where their relationship is problematic/dark [abuser and victim, adult and minor, siblings, etc..]
Proshipping is against the harassment over fictional media in the sense of "dont like dont read" and blocking people online rather than harassing them.
A proshipper isn't necessarily a darkshipper, and a darkshipper isn't necessarily a darkshipper
I know it's just fiction but I feel like minors should NOT be in these spaces whether to cope or not.
These kind of spaces usually endorse pornographic art about those topics, and minors should not be drawing or seeing art of any character raping another one.
This isn't me being a "puriteen" or "prude", it's just that... it's gross when actual minors are involved in sexual activities that include pedophilia, rape or other things in such category, even if it's "just fiction".
The "it's just two consenting adults roleplaying" argument falls down when you realize a lot of darkshippers are 14.
it's not **just** fiction. It's literally a window into these peoples minds. If their fantasies are about children getting abused, theyre pedophiles period. Fiction is about expressing your fantasies and in general what you want to talk about. It's real.
I severely disagree, I'm someone who's active in ERP spaces and alot of my plots revolve around my character being harmed or abused in some way. I don't want that irl, I'd instantly go to the police at the slightest sign of that happening irl. But this is fiction, nothing about it is something I'd actually want irl
Exactly, I have my weird kinks but Iām a functional adult who is perfectly capable of separating fiction from reality. Just cause I like something in fiction doesnāt mean I wanna do it irlā¦ so many people donāt understand that.
Ah yes. Letās sexualize children to help me cope with my trauma. Thatās absurd and sickening. Even in fiction, itās dangerous. People willing to sexualize fantasy children may only do it because they arenāt able to do it irl. But what happens when they get a chance to finally play out this degeneracy in real life that they nurtured so much in fantasy?
To be clear: the sub in the photo sounds horrific from the screenshot alone, those two things should never mix. But like. Would you rather it be indulged in reality? Do you think violent video games make people more likely to kill? Most abusers aren't pedophiles, and those who have that condition and don't want to hurt people, there is absolutely no way to logically frame a drawing of a fictional character as equivalent to the suffering of a living child.
I'm very skeptical of proship spaces. Very, very often, I've seen proshippers call general criticism 'harassment'. A lot of them also glorify the dark stuff they are depicting, making it extremely unrealistic and one-dimensional. Fiction isn't the same as reality, but it is based on it.
Is Lolita not a book about a pedophile because the MC is fictional?
Same applies
It's a subreddit normalizing minors to interact with fetishized pedophillia
You can, because it's insight about how vile real pedophiles are. To not compare fiction to reality and vice versa is dumb for any media.
Also, minors shouldn't be in space about rape, incest and pedophilia 'shipping'. I was roped into that crowd as a kid and that's quite literally a candy store for pedophiles and I wouldn't be surprised if the owner of the sub is an adult.
I do agree with you on that last point, just to be clear. keep children outta there
BUT, there's nothing that can be done. the characters do not exist, and as long as it's not obscene, it cannot be reported. I just don't look at that stuff if I don't wanna see jt
idk about you, but I'm saying the sub should be taken down as it is directly putting a pedophile-flavoured target on minors backs. Also the guy pointing out it's not a kink is correct. It is instead a disorder people need professional help for and therapy, not to make pornography online for other people to consume. Art therapy is between you and yourself, maybe your therapist.
also nobody said the content itself should be taken down, under most laws it's disgustingly legal [unless you're in australia and a few other places]
I canāt help but notice the amount of comments here actually blaming minors for finding themselves on this sub. The OP even said he was suggested it by Reddit. Nobody wants to acknowledge how fucking bizarre the Reddit recommendations are? Iām on my fourth Reddit account and explicitly remember being recommended r/teenagers and similar subs.
My point is Reddit is a self aware cesspool and reading the comments ignoring it/blaming the victims of its incessant soft core recommendations actually makes me physically sick
Absolutely this. Reddit is just a terrible app in general, but the fact that spaces within it are created for and then marketed towards minors is so incredibly dangerous.
I don't blame the minors on the sub for discovering and then remaining on it, it validates things they know are shameful to everyone but the small community there that serves as an echo chamber for defending and validating the consumption of this content. It's understandable how they'd get roped into it, especially with Reddit's bizarre recommendations. It's really the parents that need to monitor this stuff way more.
r/darkshippers here if you want to check for yourself. Itās kinda weird but there is no irl dating and itās seems to be more for minors in shopping culture exploring age gap stuff. Still weird but more wholesome than it seems.
In my opinion, really wholesome image. Yall are really stretching the word abuse here, itās just affectionate cuddling. Itās problamatic irl but the image is just cute and silly
it is not wholesome for someone to post an image of a teen/adult and a toddler with the intent for everyone to see it as a "so kawaii XP shotaconcore kidsconsentingmaxxing" image, and you need to see a therapist if you think that posts for ships where one is a child being abused is "cute" and "wholesome" and "just a lil affectionate cuddling!!!!!! :3"
Why not? I really dont think they had a evil plan to slowly make people into predators. They just posted a image of a cute gay shipp they made and thats ok
it is abusive to groom children into being your boyfriends because youre a pedophile. they dont understand being boyfriends either. they dont understand why youre into them and not other adults. being with a toddler is grooming and manipulating them into thinking that wanting to be with toddlers is normal and fine and good
I agree that children shouldn't be in pornographic places online but when it comes to fiction, who cares? The world is ending, fascists are seizing power, we're all ignoring genocides, and this is what you're focusing on?
If āthe world is sendingā Iām not gonna let that happen with pedophiles running free. I rather burn in hell than see shit like this is happening and sit content.
To answer your question about āwho caresā: anyone with a functional brain and human decency cares. Iām not arguing this all over again. If you want to hear my debate, look at my other replies.
When it comes to actual crimes with actual victims I agree with you fully, but like... maybe focus on actual crimes with actual victims rather than fiction you don't like?
I'm sure the pretend problems you invent are easier to "solve." It must make you feel very good about yourself. I'll be sure to tell the children being murdered in Palestine, Sudan, and the Congo that some Reddit activist cared more about adults having discussions about fictional characters. They'll be so relieved.
Literally one of the first images are of a skeleton and a kid that's canonically like 10?
Bit more than age gap like an adult and a silver fox gilf, that's 'exploring glorified pedophillia' as a minor
and as someone who was roped into groups like that as a minor, it's not wholesome at all. Literal breeding ground for grooming
List of dark or problematic ships in popular culture:
Joker/Harley[cannon]
Draco/Hermione
Hermione/Tom Riddle[most first involve heavy use of time travel]
Hannibal/Will Graham
Basically the entirety of Game of Thones and House of Dragon [most cannon]
Every dark romance novel in existence
What tf is a darkship ?
It's people that write/make romantic or sexual fanart of 2 characters where their relationship is problematic/dark [abuser and victim, adult and minor, siblings, etc..]
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OSHA ain't approving of that shit
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What's the difference between that and proshipping?
Proshipping is against the harassment over fictional media in the sense of "dont like dont read" and blocking people online rather than harassing them.
A proshipper isn't necessarily a darkshipper, and a darkshipper isn't necessarily a darkshipper
Thank you for the explanation
I know it's just fiction but I feel like minors should NOT be in these spaces whether to cope or not.
These kind of spaces usually endorse pornographic art about those topics, and minors should not be drawing or seeing art of any character raping another one.
This isn't me being a "puriteen" or "prude", it's just that... it's gross when actual minors are involved in sexual activities that include pedophilia, rape or other things in such category, even if it's "just fiction".
The "it's just two consenting adults roleplaying" argument falls down when you realize a lot of darkshippers are 14.
it's not **just** fiction. It's literally a window into these peoples minds. If their fantasies are about children getting abused, theyre pedophiles period. Fiction is about expressing your fantasies and in general what you want to talk about. It's real.
I severely disagree, I'm someone who's active in ERP spaces and alot of my plots revolve around my character being harmed or abused in some way. I don't want that irl, I'd instantly go to the police at the slightest sign of that happening irl. But this is fiction, nothing about it is something I'd actually want irl
Exactly, I have my weird kinks but Iām a functional adult who is perfectly capable of separating fiction from reality. Just cause I like something in fiction doesnāt mean I wanna do it irlā¦ so many people donāt understand that.
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This is my dark ship š„ŗ
Ik this one of those places where predetors be trying to groom eachother thinking theirs a minor on the other side.
Bro what happened here, like 80% of the comments are gone itās like damn warzoneš
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Pedophilia isnāt acceptable just because itās indulged in fiction.
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If somebody only goons to illustrated/animated porn, that doesn't make them asexual.
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You said this because you donāt consider āreal childrenā to be involved. You also said this in response to a comment about grooming.
You also claimed that person referring to grooming is someone not separating reality from fiction.
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Ah yes. Letās sexualize children to help me cope with my trauma. Thatās absurd and sickening. Even in fiction, itās dangerous. People willing to sexualize fantasy children may only do it because they arenāt able to do it irl. But what happens when they get a chance to finally play out this degeneracy in real life that they nurtured so much in fantasy?
Literally fuck everyone who downvotes this comment. You nailed it
Since all the comments ur replying to r deleted, it legit looks like ur talking to urself, lmao.
pedophilia is attraction to children. guess what lolishos are into? guess what lolis+shotas represent?
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well thats what this is largely about. so
Lolis weren't mentioned at all and l do dislike them so actually yeah l see it
To be clear: the sub in the photo sounds horrific from the screenshot alone, those two things should never mix. But like. Would you rather it be indulged in reality? Do you think violent video games make people more likely to kill? Most abusers aren't pedophiles, and those who have that condition and don't want to hurt people, there is absolutely no way to logically frame a drawing of a fictional character as equivalent to the suffering of a living child.
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this is the same vibe as neck beards saying that they're not pedophiles because loli isn't real
"Subreddit that allows minors about pedophillia, rape and incest fetishes" fucking nasty
And looks like it's somehow not banned,but seriously twisted mfs
you got some explaining to do, OP....
We should contact https://cia.gov and JUNALCO to arrest OP
FBI. CIA ain't law enforcement. But yeah, I feel the sentiment.
In my opinion, I think minors shouldn't be allowed in profic spaces on the internet.Ā
As a former minor who got caught up in that, I 100% agree :(
I don't care if minors are in profic spaces, but they shouldn't be allowed in nsfw profic spaces, they shouldn't be allowed in any nsfw spaces lol
I anticipate its eventual ban being announced on r/bannedsubs.
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I don't know, why were you?
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I'm very skeptical of proship spaces. Very, very often, I've seen proshippers call general criticism 'harassment'. A lot of them also glorify the dark stuff they are depicting, making it extremely unrealistic and one-dimensional. Fiction isn't the same as reality, but it is based on it.
I just hate shipping culture in general. I frequently mock the stupidity of it.
sorry why are minors allowed in the kinky taboo writing subreddit???
not kink. thats pedophilia and abuse
pedophilia is when fake characters?
Is Lolita not a book about a pedophile because the MC is fictional?
Same applies
It's a subreddit normalizing minors to interact with fetishized pedophillia
it is about a pedophile, yes, but I don't think you can compare him to an irl pedophile who harms actual children yk
if it bothers u so much just don't look at it idrk what to tell u
You can, because it's insight about how vile real pedophiles are. To not compare fiction to reality and vice versa is dumb for any media.
Also, minors shouldn't be in space about rape, incest and pedophilia 'shipping'. I was roped into that crowd as a kid and that's quite literally a candy store for pedophiles and I wouldn't be surprised if the owner of the sub is an adult.
I do agree with you on that last point, just to be clear. keep children outta there
BUT, there's nothing that can be done. the characters do not exist, and as long as it's not obscene, it cannot be reported. I just don't look at that stuff if I don't wanna see jt
??? That last part has nothing to do with anything here
yes it does. you're saying the work is bad, I'm saying that it can't be taken down
idk about you, but I'm saying the sub should be taken down as it is directly putting a pedophile-flavoured target on minors backs. Also the guy pointing out it's not a kink is correct. It is instead a disorder people need professional help for and therapy, not to make pornography online for other people to consume. Art therapy is between you and yourself, maybe your therapist.
also nobody said the content itself should be taken down, under most laws it's disgustingly legal [unless you're in australia and a few other places]
Hello? FBI? This one right hereĀ
are real children being exploited BECAUSE some dumbass teenagers read about fake children being abused online?
Where do you think child abusers get their ideas? And besides how would you call someone who enjoys reading or watching kids being abused?
yes... child abusers only exist because some kid shipped their favorite yaoi pairing together...
it's just that like. I knowww that people technically can be influenced by media, but it just sorta feels like a "video games cause violence" thing
Damn I wouldnāt even touch a link to that
... dude
Either your search history needs checked, or you requested some wood for the woodchipper
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I canāt help but notice the amount of comments here actually blaming minors for finding themselves on this sub. The OP even said he was suggested it by Reddit. Nobody wants to acknowledge how fucking bizarre the Reddit recommendations are? Iām on my fourth Reddit account and explicitly remember being recommended r/teenagers and similar subs.
My point is Reddit is a self aware cesspool and reading the comments ignoring it/blaming the victims of its incessant soft core recommendations actually makes me physically sick
Absolutely this. Reddit is just a terrible app in general, but the fact that spaces within it are created for and then marketed towards minors is so incredibly dangerous.
I don't blame the minors on the sub for discovering and then remaining on it, it validates things they know are shameful to everyone but the small community there that serves as an echo chamber for defending and validating the consumption of this content. It's understandable how they'd get roped into it, especially with Reddit's bizarre recommendations. It's really the parents that need to monitor this stuff way more.
āDarkshippersā you mean pedophiles?
Yes
I just went and checked it out and itās not horrible, but it definitely is exactly that
minors together? im hoping that just means minors and minors in a friendly relationship
They don't like healthy relationships or normal relationships.
uh oh
"Somehow,Palpatine Returns."
I was NOT looking for a subreddit that allows that
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Every member of that subreddit needs their hard drive checked.
A decent chunk of them are literal children who were groomed into this, unfortunately
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How ironic I got an add for Roblox on this post, isnāt it.
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r/darkshippers here if you want to check for yourself. Itās kinda weird but there is no irl dating and itās seems to be more for minors in shopping culture exploring age gap stuff. Still weird but more wholesome than it seems.
glorifying what looks like literal toddlers being abused is not wholesome
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In my opinion, really wholesome image. Yall are really stretching the word abuse here, itās just affectionate cuddling. Itās problamatic irl but the image is just cute and silly
it is not wholesome for someone to post an image of a teen/adult and a toddler with the intent for everyone to see it as a "so kawaii XP shotaconcore kidsconsentingmaxxing" image, and you need to see a therapist if you think that posts for ships where one is a child being abused is "cute" and "wholesome" and "just a lil affectionate cuddling!!!!!! :3"
Why not? I really dont think they had a evil plan to slowly make people into predators. They just posted a image of a cute gay shipp they made and thats ok
because they and you think that teens/adults abusing toddlers is cute and are acting like thats normal instead of going to therapy
Romantic cuddling is not abusive. Itās not sexual, not even kisses. Where is the abuse in romantic cuddles??
it is abusive for an adult to be in a relationship with a toddler. it is pedophilic for an adult to be attracted to a toddler. you know that, right?
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it is abusive to groom children into being your boyfriends because youre a pedophile. they dont understand being boyfriends either. they dont understand why youre into them and not other adults. being with a toddler is grooming and manipulating them into thinking that wanting to be with toddlers is normal and fine and good
Thereās a nothing wholesome about it. Itās the kind of community predators and children alike latch onto. It glorifies filth.
I agree that children shouldn't be in pornographic places online but when it comes to fiction, who cares? The world is ending, fascists are seizing power, we're all ignoring genocides, and this is what you're focusing on?
If āthe world is sendingā Iām not gonna let that happen with pedophiles running free. I rather burn in hell than see shit like this is happening and sit content.
To answer your question about āwho caresā: anyone with a functional brain and human decency cares. Iām not arguing this all over again. If you want to hear my debate, look at my other replies.
When it comes to actual crimes with actual victims I agree with you fully, but like... maybe focus on actual crimes with actual victims rather than fiction you don't like?
I'm sure the pretend problems you invent are easier to "solve." It must make you feel very good about yourself. I'll be sure to tell the children being murdered in Palestine, Sudan, and the Congo that some Reddit activist cared more about adults having discussions about fictional characters. They'll be so relieved.
Read my last two sentences, you fucking degenerate.
That's awfully rude, friend. Perhaps if you pretended I was a fictional character you'd care more about my welfare?
Literally one of the first images are of a skeleton and a kid that's canonically like 10?
Bit more than age gap like an adult and a silver fox gilf, that's 'exploring glorified pedophillia' as a minor
and as someone who was roped into groups like that as a minor, it's not wholesome at all. Literal breeding ground for grooming
6 contrivutions per week
r/Darkshippers
Hey, so what the fuck
what the actual fuck
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LOL I JS GOT BANNED FROM THE SUB CUZ I TOLD SOMEONE THAT JONATHAN AND DIO ARE BROTHERS LMAOOOOO
r/darkshippers
bro and they make a sub about that???
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Guys pls donāt search this sub up plsš
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this shit is the grooming gauntlet
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Darkship?
List of dark or problematic ships in popular culture: Joker/Harley[cannon] Draco/Hermione Hermione/Tom Riddle[most first involve heavy use of time travel] Hannibal/Will Graham Basically the entirety of Game of Thones and House of Dragon [most cannon] Every dark romance novel in existence
This list goes on.
its just a sub full of 9 year olds