Oh my gosh that's so uncanny to see your comment!! The very first thing I thought - if David Bowie was a monkey. Would be funny if someone made a deep fake video of this fella singing Let's Dance
It's definitely interesting. Maybe showing teeth makes sense for our species simply because as we branched off from common ancestors, it's a quick way to show we're not the kind of ape that bites people. I mean, look at the canines on the chimpanzee, our closest living relatives. Those teeth are scary, and chimps are extremely aggressive.
There could have been a period of time where it was more difficult to tell us apart from them or another species that isn't around anymore but also had threatening teeth.
Funny thing is there's one hypothesis that the "anxious smile" or "anxious laugh" is an atavistic behaviour hearkening back to the "grinning out of fear" response.
They don't even look sad to me, they looked bored af but I also don't even think it would use the same muscles as a human for all emotions. People misread animals all the time.
It's wild how his face lands somewhere between deep disappointment and total peace, like he accepted that humans are a lost cause and moved on to better hobbies.
It’s captivating to me how human they are. Evolution obviously but sometimes a reminder can be potent. It’s like I can see all of humanity in it’s eyes.
The post is actually crap. The majority of primates in the wild avoid humans, the few that don't it's because they have adapted to living near people because of food opportunities.
We genocided every other species in our genus. That's why the Uncanny Valley feeling is so strong in us. It's unsettling to see something almost human, but not quite. It triggers fight or flight. Its a left over because it got selected for in our ancestors because it was a succesful strategy to kill and steal from our cousins. We were weapon wielding, fire carrying, proto-religous, often hungry gangs of apes that can talk and organize better than our cousins. We hunted the mega fauna of the last ice age to extinction. All of our cousins are extinct. That seems more than a coincidence. Which do you think was easier: trying to take down a 12 ton beast with stone tipped spears and atalatls? Or Raiding a Neanderthal encampment at night? I think I know what most men then and even know would pick in a world that harsh.
Natural selection only let that monkey have a face that Human because it avoided us. The ones that didn't are all gone. That face is a genetic relic that knows what we are capable of.
Natural selection only let that monkey have a face that Human because it avoided us. The ones that didn't are all gone. That face is a genetic relic that knows what we are capable of.
I couldn't say I have read this hypothesis laid out in any one book or journal. Its something I've come to think from my understanding of human nature, archeology, anthropology, history, and neuroscience. I doubt it's an entirely novel idea tho. I'm sure there's anthropologits or evolutionary biologists that have come to the same conclusion so I'm sure there's literature out there. If not, bully for me I guess lol. I can recommend some books that started me on this way of thinking.
The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins
The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins
Consilience by E.O. Wilson
The Third Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond
Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond
The Blank Slate by Stephan Pinkner
Those are all pretty popular books tho so you might have read them already lol. If not, then you should!
I'd also recommend PBS Eons on YouTube. They have some great videos on prehistory that are sourced and could be a good jumping off point looking for scholarly articles.
See the idea I'd heard is that uncanny valley's more to do with stuff like corpses. Things that are either inherently dangerous (disease) or indicate danger (predator nearby).
It could, however, also just be a bizarre function of the way our brains work that wasn't detrimental, or at least not detrimental enough to cause problems and be selected against.
What's usually called the "uncanny valley" isn't really a scientific phenomenon, and is most like a whole host of interrelated things that's also inflected by cultural context. One of the leading theories for it is simply that our brains get upset when things aren't clearly categorizable: https://ieeexplore-ieee-org.ezp1.lib.umn.edu/document/4415111
The idea that nature is just about murdering everyone all the time is both ascientific and alpha male bs.
Homo neanderthalensis wasn't genocided, that one we incorporated into ourselves. Also they probably got more harmed by climate change resulting in the megafauna they relied on, being so large-bodied and having a comparatively larger caloric need, all migrating/dying out, especially when combined with the predatory pressure from neanderthals themselves and the encroaching Homo sapiens.
There's also natural competition. If Homo sapiens was better adapted to the ecological niche of omnivorous social intelligent predator than other humans we didn't necessarily genocide them. Just steadily outcompeted them without any real malice. No more a genocide than a new species entering an area and outcompeting the old.
Most humans have some Neanderthal DNA, we‘re pretty damn similar to them. Neanderthals showed proto-religion, likely made cave paintings and other early art, and likely could make a similar amount of vocalizations to early humans. We aren’t better than them, we just had more factors that helped us survive and reproduce better in the environment at the time. Natural selection is just funky like that.
Or perhaps we just absorbed them and outbred them? Modern humans still have quite a bit of DNA from Neanderthals and Denisovians- homo sapiens always had a much higher birth rates and fertility, so it’s natural we’d be the ones with the most DNA sticking around
Somehow this is the most relatable primate. Stares into the middle distance, deeply tired, structuring its entire lifestyle around not having to interact with us more than necessary.
That made me laugh way too much. I wish I wasn't someone who can't make images in their mind so I could keep giggling about it days after this post. :-)
Yeah, we're from the same order though and still share a common ancestor. We're just further apart from these guys genetically than we are from Hominidae (which is our family).
What is it about its face that triggers the uncanny valley? The eyes? The shape of the face? I can't seem to point out what it is but it does have that effect on me
They probably avoid us because they know what's up. Those don't look like other monkeys or Apes. I think they got more going on behind those eyes and people give him credit for
I hope aliens look this cool. He looks like he can formulate well thought out plans and execute them flawlessly lol I feel like he's about to start speaking some foreign language. He just looks so wise to me for some reason 😂
It’s like one of those awkward random meetups between you and your cousin who’ve you never met before where you end up parting quickly because you really have nothing to say to each other.
One of the more obscure David Bowie periods.
Is it cold out there in space, Bowie?
Do you use your nipple antennae to transmit DATA BACK TO EARTH
You creepy old bastard, you
Do you smoke grass in space bowiieeeh? Or do you smoke ASTRO TURF
Do you have one really funky sequined space suit, Bowie
Or do you have several ch-changes?
receiving transmission from Bowie's nipple antennae!
Do you READ MEH
This is Bowie to Bowie, do you hear me out there man?
This is Bowie back to Bowie, I hear ya loud and clear man!
Do you read me, Lieutenant Bowie?
Do you want to borrow my jumper, Bowie?
That’s pretty freaky, Bowie.
r/unexpectedflightoftheconchords
I fell for that one... wish it was a sub
And today we had a roast
Major Tom?
Yes?
This was his Labyrinth period. You can tell by the hair.
Ziggy Stardust and the Spider Monkeys From Mars
Willem Dafoe
...in black face
... i can't unsee it now
I got Christopher walken
Hahahahh
I was thinking this exact same thing
Man those eyes
Man eyes
What southerners put on their sandwiches.
I just busted out laughing so hard my cat just caught the zoomies 🤣🤣
Didn't get it until I read this and went up two posts, reading them in reverse order.
Took me a minute lol
Tbh it’s more reminiscent of an Australian accent.
Sort of like how “soul feign” = cell phone.
Ahh crep I got man eyes on me soul feign
🤣🤣🤣🤣
probably behaves better than some men too
And woman too!
Maaan get outta here wit dat
Why does he remind me of David Bowie?
Like he reincarnated and he's just resolved to it. "Yeah, I deserve this fate."
Oh my gosh that's so uncanny to see your comment!! The very first thing I thought - if David Bowie was a monkey. Would be funny if someone made a deep fake video of this fella singing Let's Dance
I had this exact same thought: if David Bowie was a monkey
Well, he does look like if he could speak, it would be with a proper British accent.
https://share.google/images/gCWwAsqI1qeuo3q6y
YES!!! Everytime I see these monkeys i think they look like David Bowie and I thought I must be crazy. I am SO glad im not the only one!
Sad eyes
Quick reminder that humans are really weird in that unlike other apes us looking happy and socialising involves eye contact and grinning.
Do that to most any other ape and it's a sign of anxiety/excitement and challenge.
Funny how our social cues are basically old threat displays rebranded as friendliness over a few million years.
It's definitely interesting. Maybe showing teeth makes sense for our species simply because as we branched off from common ancestors, it's a quick way to show we're not the kind of ape that bites people. I mean, look at the canines on the chimpanzee, our closest living relatives. Those teeth are scary, and chimps are extremely aggressive.
There could have been a period of time where it was more difficult to tell us apart from them or another species that isn't around anymore but also had threatening teeth.
Funny thing is there's one hypothesis that the "anxious smile" or "anxious laugh" is an atavistic behaviour hearkening back to the "grinning out of fear" response.
They don't even look sad to me, they looked bored af but I also don't even think it would use the same muscles as a human for all emotions. People misread animals all the time.
Real eyes, realize, real lies
So expressive! What part of ‘actively avoids humans’ do you idiots not understand? I’m blocking your number.
Thoseeyeshaveseenalotoflovesbuttheyrenevergonnaseeanotheronelikeihadwithyou
It's jimmy's brother! The guy with the beautiful voice!
Its that white sclera that makes them look so human
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That you can easily observe because of the white sclera
Thing looks more human than any other primate I've seen because of that white in the eyes. Never thought about that until mentioned here.
It allows for better communication between the group.
He doesn't know anyone in the party and is estimating the chances of making his way to the front door without anyone noticing.
There's intelligence behind those eyes. Like not the animal kind...
If i was that cool I'd avoid humans too
he’s got that expression of someone who’s seen enough of humanity to make a very permanent decision, can’t even blame him at this point
It's wild how his face lands somewhere between deep disappointment and total peace, like he accepted that humans are a lost cause and moved on to better hobbies.
It’s captivating to me how human they are. Evolution obviously but sometimes a reminder can be potent. It’s like I can see all of humanity in it’s eyes.
"Those fuckers evolved and now they spend all doing looking at spreadsheet and sending emails. Peace out bro, I'm going to find myself another banana"
I miss the days when that was the definition of shit that sucks a lot
The issues we had back then were a "luxury" compared to now.
Let's get drunk on fermented fruits :D
So the expression most of wear daily then?
Got that 'I know what you fucking humans did' face.
I wonder what we did to them there must be a reason lmao
The post is actually crap. The majority of primates in the wild avoid humans, the few that don't it's because they have adapted to living near people because of food opportunities.
Probably a bot post then
We genocided every other species in our genus. That's why the Uncanny Valley feeling is so strong in us. It's unsettling to see something almost human, but not quite. It triggers fight or flight. Its a left over because it got selected for in our ancestors because it was a succesful strategy to kill and steal from our cousins. We were weapon wielding, fire carrying, proto-religous, often hungry gangs of apes that can talk and organize better than our cousins. We hunted the mega fauna of the last ice age to extinction. All of our cousins are extinct. That seems more than a coincidence. Which do you think was easier: trying to take down a 12 ton beast with stone tipped spears and atalatls? Or Raiding a Neanderthal encampment at night? I think I know what most men then and even know would pick in a world that harsh.
Natural selection only let that monkey have a face that Human because it avoided us. The ones that didn't are all gone. That face is a genetic relic that knows what we are capable of.
This is fascinating. I've never heard this theory before. Do you have any reading material to recommend about this topic?
No, because he's talking almost exclusively out of his ass
Yeah this is some Michael Bay shit
It was a fun read though. I imagined a Michael Crichton character spewing all that, and gave it a similar level of credence.
Yep. Keep in mind we interbred with neanderthals for example, we couldn't have felt too much uncanny-valley-ness towards them to want to fuck them...
Ask most funeral home directors why they only hire female morticians…
To be fair tho, humans will fuck anything that moves. Like sheep and couches (which don’t move actually)…
I couldn't say I have read this hypothesis laid out in any one book or journal. Its something I've come to think from my understanding of human nature, archeology, anthropology, history, and neuroscience. I doubt it's an entirely novel idea tho. I'm sure there's anthropologits or evolutionary biologists that have come to the same conclusion so I'm sure there's literature out there. If not, bully for me I guess lol. I can recommend some books that started me on this way of thinking.
The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins Consilience by E.O. Wilson The Third Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond The Blank Slate by Stephan Pinkner
Those are all pretty popular books tho so you might have read them already lol. If not, then you should!
I'd also recommend PBS Eons on YouTube. They have some great videos on prehistory that are sourced and could be a good jumping off point looking for scholarly articles.
See the idea I'd heard is that uncanny valley's more to do with stuff like corpses. Things that are either inherently dangerous (disease) or indicate danger (predator nearby).
It could, however, also just be a bizarre function of the way our brains work that wasn't detrimental, or at least not detrimental enough to cause problems and be selected against.
It's actually eminently possible that we fucked neanderthals to extinction: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4005592/
What's usually called the "uncanny valley" isn't really a scientific phenomenon, and is most like a whole host of interrelated things that's also inflected by cultural context. One of the leading theories for it is simply that our brains get upset when things aren't clearly categorizable: https://ieeexplore-ieee-org.ezp1.lib.umn.edu/document/4415111
The idea that nature is just about murdering everyone all the time is both ascientific and alpha male bs.
Homo neanderthalensis wasn't genocided, that one we incorporated into ourselves. Also they probably got more harmed by climate change resulting in the megafauna they relied on, being so large-bodied and having a comparatively larger caloric need, all migrating/dying out, especially when combined with the predatory pressure from neanderthals themselves and the encroaching Homo sapiens.
There's also natural competition. If Homo sapiens was better adapted to the ecological niche of omnivorous social intelligent predator than other humans we didn't necessarily genocide them. Just steadily outcompeted them without any real malice. No more a genocide than a new species entering an area and outcompeting the old.
Most humans have some Neanderthal DNA, we‘re pretty damn similar to them. Neanderthals showed proto-religion, likely made cave paintings and other early art, and likely could make a similar amount of vocalizations to early humans. We aren’t better than them, we just had more factors that helped us survive and reproduce better in the environment at the time. Natural selection is just funky like that.
Species long gone were the first we have evidence of control of fire which came after other tool use, including weapons.
Long before homo sapiens and neanderthals. It wasn't modern homo sapiens that came up with any of it.
Or perhaps we just absorbed them and outbred them? Modern humans still have quite a bit of DNA from Neanderthals and Denisovians- homo sapiens always had a much higher birth rates and fertility, so it’s natural we’d be the ones with the most DNA sticking around
Dead people also trigger that uncanny valley thing, and that’s bred into us because avoiding dead people is generally good from a disease standpoint.
His ancestors saw what we did to the Neanderthals.
Bigfoot also avoids humans.
Somehow this is the most relatable primate. Stares into the middle distance, deeply tired, structuring its entire lifestyle around not having to interact with us more than necessary.
I mean same
That face is so human like. Clearly we are part of the same family.
He looks like Clint Eastwood in blackface.
That's clearly Tilda Swinton.
Everything is Tilda Swinton
I can't unsee that one as well now.
That made me laugh way too much. I wish I wasn't someone who can't make images in their mind so I could keep giggling about it days after this post. :-)
Keep giggling, it's good for you
Save the photo to your phone so you can come back to it whenever you want!
I can't see things in my mind either. But simply thinking about things like this makes me laugh
💀
Your lips to Apollo's ears.
That face is so human like. Clearly we are part of the same
familyorder.That face is so human like. Clearly we are part of the same
familyorderclade.Even more pedantic, I like it.
Dude, when I was in Thailand, I was standing next to this monkey and checking out his hands. So human-like and was trippy as hell lol 😵💫
I was going to make a comment about not family but Parvorder and now my head keeps singing
“We. Aren’t. Faaaaaamilyyyy. But I’ve got my Catarrhini with me”
Technically we are not from the same family
Yeah, we're from the same order though and still share a common ancestor. We're just further apart from these guys genetically than we are from Hominidae (which is our family).
I guarantee my ex mother in law is from the same family
Not cool for the golden langurs dude
Im a primate that avoids humans
I also wanted to add.. All kinds of primates would avoid humans, we just encroached on their territory!
Definitely highly intelligent if they know to avoid humans.
They are so intelligent that they do not show intelligence, lest they be put to work.
I would
That's how evolution works. The ones who did not avoid human died and can't reproduce. 🙊🙉
That is fascinating to view! The familiarities are uncanny, like I'm not supposed to witness. Where on earth are these Langur's populated?
In a small region of the state of Assam in India and neighbouring foothills of the Black Mountains of Bhutan.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianwildlifeHub/s/5EgdSq9QCe
Thank you for the intel...☕
This makes it sound like you’re on a mission to hunt them to extinction or something
Not a chance in hell. Those primates are glorious!
So you're going to fuck them then. Got it.
Why you gotta expose him like that? Love is love...
Do not the primates
There is an uncanny level of intelligence and sentience behind those eyes
I was kinda waiting for it to start talking in english.
Here is a recent video of Golden Langurs in their natural habitat:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianwildlifeHub/s/5EgdSq9QCe
Their fur is so snuggly looking.
“Highly endangered” well well, I guess we can see why they avoid humans… 😭
What is it about its face that triggers the uncanny valley? The eyes? The shape of the face? I can't seem to point out what it is but it does have that effect on me
TIL I'm a golden langur
I was going to make this exact comment
this might indeed be a very smart decision!
Hugh Jackman
Amazing range that guy.
Why terrifying?
What a privilege to be so close to something so beautiful and clever...
Smart monkey.
They probably find us uncanny lol
this bro look like he gon evolve tomorrow and be emotionally stable while judging me and teaching me about wisdom of life.
I'm sorry but this is not terrifying at all.
youre not shivering your timbers over this monkey?
For some reason, it makes me think of Michael Jackson
héé héé
As being a human for as long as I have I fully understand.
aka: the smartest monkey
Do we really know that it’s the only primate that actively avoids humans? It could be the second best one at this.
I don't blame him one bit.
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I hate that it looks just like miles Davis.
Smart primate
He does look very wise. Like he doesn't even speak. He just listens.
Super cool but terrifying how?
Avoid humans or avoids large animals in general?
Smartest life form
Well, them & the porpoises who huff puffer fish to get f-ed up high…
he looks like he knows something we dont
Chico, the eyes, they never lie
He knows something we don't.
Do they avoid us because they get uncanny valley vibes?
Almost all wild animals avoid humans...
They probably avoid us because they know what's up. Those don't look like other monkeys or Apes. I think they got more going on behind those eyes and people give him credit for
All primates avoid humans
Miles Davis
It has the face of someone who WANTED to avoid humans
That dude is one evolution away from the mortgage.
So basically he's having the worst day of his life. This video is intriguing but always makes me sad.
I would also avoid us.
Willem Dafoe is in everything these days
So the smartest primate, then?
I too actively avoids human maybe I am a Golden Langur??
Those eyes are showing some serious intellegence - wow that’s crazy. (Cool & fascinating but crazy)
I don't care what y'all say, that's just David Bowie.
Smart
Smart animal, humans can suck!
Oh so they’re the only truly smart primates then?
Cool. His sclera is white, as opposed to chimps for example
They know what we did
Almost human face
Might suffer the uncanny valley effect due to how humanlike its face looks
He looks like he knows what twats we are, and that’s why they avoid us
They look like they know what we do
Me looking at this while David Bowie playing... I see the essence tbf
I hope aliens look this cool. He looks like he can formulate well thought out plans and execute them flawlessly lol I feel like he's about to start speaking some foreign language. He just looks so wise to me for some reason 😂
We are the uncanny valley
Those eyes have seen human becoming human
Meh, I’m a primate and also actively avoid humans. Maybe this isn’t the flex the Golden Langur thinks it is…
god it has perfect human eyes
That’s a tiny little person and you can’t tell me otherwise.
Can you blame them? We are a fucking mess
Ahhhh I’m so scared of the beautiful animal ahhhhhhh it’s terrifying
Oddly terrifying? More like oddly relatable.
It can read minds. Humans are some huge pervs
Why does it look like David Bowie
It’s like one of those awkward random meetups between you and your cousin who’ve you never met before where you end up parting quickly because you really have nothing to say to each other.
I saw him in Cork
I wonder if we give them uncanny valley discomfort?
Looks like the forest spirit from Princess Mononoke.