Would’ve converted a 2nd and 10 on our final drive but instead ended up with a 3rd and long situation. Where Bryce ran to the line of gain and ended up with another bad call from the refs where he was hit after he slid (which Shough later did which ended up being called and lost us the game)
Gotta love a good "our bad"
I remember the end of the giants 49ers game where Jeff Garcia lead this massive comeback there was this blatant missed PI that they called illegal man down field. and the NFL acknowledged it and when they asked the niners coach about it he just went "bummer" and moved on
That was a Mooch quote, yep. Might’ve even been “bummer dude” Idk.
I see you guys are also from the 1900s
there was a post on this sub asking a question to old heads, and the question was about what it was like to see peyton manning play football.
Oh fuck.
Yeah? Well fuck those kids!
That's old? Jesus, I remember watching Archie Manning play.
I was at that game. It was glorious.
One of the worst games I remember watching. I was more upset the giants blew a huge lead and Trey fucking Junkins bad snap than the missed call.
It’s one of those things with bad calls, at the end of the day you’re still often hoping to be bailed out of an avoidable situation by pure luck going your way rather than the other team’s
Not every call is created equally but the panthers shouldn’t have been in a spot to lose to the saints
Immediately what I thought before reading your comment. I tenebrae the NY post cover page like it was yesterday
I usually tenebrae in the spring
Lol fuck it I'm leaving it.
The game after, Shelton Quarles and the Bucs tenebraed the 49ers so hard.
I havent though about Jeff Garcia in a long time
One of the least quarterback looking quarterbacks the league has had.
But also pretty good! I think that title still goes to the Hefty Lefty though
Simpler times. Real coaches and players know a single play or call doesnt lose you a game. Its lack of execution and errors that occur over the entirety of the 60 minutes. Literally every single play there is at least one player or coaches that could have done something better. Too many casual sports fans are voicing their opinions on shit because they were stupid enough to bet their money on a literal game.
i'd still be mad about that if karma didn't give us kyle williams near a decade later.
We don't say that name man
you guys don't but we sure do :D
we hold a festival for him and everything.
praise be to kyle williams, long may he live.
I'm sure it's not easy finding things to celebrate as a Giants fan.
You could always imagine Bills legend Kyle Williams instead of the other one
that's all you can do
Feel like we're getting one of these every week recently. Lot of apologizing going around
Sir what is a football move?
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It’s marginally better than when they double down on the wrong call just to try and seem like they were right. So there’s that I guess.
The worst is when the shit call comes from "upstairs."
It’s almost like you could solve every single controversy with officiating by just piping the audio of the conversation with NY directly into the broadcast, which the ACC already do in college
But god forbid we alienate the referees union, which would oppose challenges and instant replay if it was proposed today because the full time officials need to protect their jobs
Absolutely. Transparency is one of the best things we could do in this situation. But it won't happen unfortunately.
Man XFL handled this perfectly. You saw what they saw and they were had their mic on
I saw a clip of that with the ACC; it's SO much better. Doesn't the UFL do something similar?
Terry McAulay has argued that the ACC transparency has made things worse, not better, because the knowledge of being on TV seems to lead to no real discussion or pushback. It's all "do we agree that...?" "Yes."
The entire system needs to be rebuilt with regard to the technological advancements that have been made in terms of replay and remote assistance.
got anything to back this up? spend time around actual officials and you'd know this isn't the case
not to mention that the replay decisions are made in the league office and not by the union, so its not even a union issue really if the league wanted to broadcast those conversations
It’s just a hunch based on the bitch move they did when DPI was reviewable that one year. No matter how bad the call was they wouldn’t reverse it because they didn’t like people questioning their authority.
Not even sure what that feels like.
Yes we do. We’ve gotten plenty over the years.
Oh, if only a simple “our bad” was enough to make losing feel better…
It’s an entertainment product, not a competition. They made their money, they don’t care beyond that. The outrage over bad calls actually increase engagement from fans, so it’s more of a feature than a bug.
I get it. It's been said many times. Doesn't make it any less funny when it doesn't change anything
I mean, at least they admitted it. This game is played and reffed by humans. Humans make mistakes. It happens. Just fuckin admit it and people wouldn't be as pissed. The biggest issue is that the NFL has backed themselves into a corner with the Refs Union and have very few ways of holding them accountable for the bad calls. Also, who is gonna replace the refs if we start firing them or punishing them for a few bad calls? The potential replacements are infinitely worse as we saw during the last strike. Its a sport, not life or death, people need to chill when it comes to the human error that exists in lwhat are literally games.
We’re past that now. With all the gambling bullshit an apology means nothing. You have a million cameras in the stadium, get the fucking call right.
Or just stop fucking betting on sports and watch the game for the love of the sport.
If you break ANY play down into slo mo, youre going to find a penalty or something that could deserve a flag or something that should overturn the call on the field. That isnt football anymore, thats boring as fuck and will literally ruin the sport.
You know what's boring as fuck and will literally ruin the sport? Not calling the actual fucking sport right when we have the technology already in place to
Cool, welcome to 6 hour games and every play being overturned. You clearly have never reffed a sport, so go ahead and get out there and be the change you want to see.
"Don't tell anyone but we fucked up."
"Okay I'll go tell everyone."
"Neauuuuuu"
Does anyone get held accountable for this type of shit? fines for the refs? or the review center in NY?
Yep. They're graded and assignments change and firings can come from the gradings.
Edit
For refence, Here's an article from early this year
Bill Vinovich was assigned to the Super Bowl ref after this play.
He still hasnt refed a game in New Orleans btw
Probably not a coincidence
the 1 Saints fan in this thread kudos to you for clicking on it! Loving the hopium from this game all over the internet right now from the Saints Fan base. Reminds me of us last year at the end of the season.
To be fair to Vinovich, the Super Bowl is a mercenary squad of refs based on how they graded individually. That call is not Vinovich's to make and not something he would ever be looking at, that fuck up is entirely on the side judge and back judge and maybe the line judge.
We can think whatever we do of Vinovich's response in the pool report but from his role on the field he would have no reason to have that play marked against him.
No, I don't think I will.
he had literally zero responsibility for coverage on that play. The official who's primary that was never worked a playoff game after that
Guy lookin for that Vinovussy? His crew. His call.
that's not how it works. Do you cut the quarterback when the running back fumbles the ball?
edit: lol reply and block because you can't understand a basic analogy is soft as shit
Right? At least hate on you for the Packers tag, gosh.
Joking aside, some people don't get it, and that's a them problem.
Fuck him.
Twice
Funny how that happens and yet they still get worse ever year. Some would even call it suspicious.
I'd argue it's not getting worse, tech and announcers being more vocal is just ramping up. If announcers never mentioned it then the average fan would rarely notice and if we didn't have 4k with unlimited replays we would just trust that they probably got it right.
Yeah, officiating in every sport gets better every single year pretty much without fail (replacement refs excluded). The amount of high resolution slo-mo replays just grows every year and gives the fans even more ways to see how calls were missed. Add to that the gambling factor and the online echo chambers of people stroking each other off as they talk about how the league is rigged against their favorite team/in favor of their rivals and you get the current hellscape of online sports discussion where there is not a single "legitimate" champion in any league and officials are simultaneously completely incompetent and secretly manipulating outcomes in order to appease the commissioner/sportsbooks without a single whistleblower throughout the entirety of major professional sports leagues. It's exactly the same kind of conspiratorial thinking that produces flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, and other science deniers. They think that their lack of knowledge about how things work is proof of some secret plot to deceive the masses
Where are you getting 4k games?!
They don’t even broadcast in 1080p
Right. Phillys record breaking streak of no-called false starts is definitely an indication that it’s better than it used to be. Helen Keller can see them false starting on every push play, without the benefit of a replay.
The refs are getting worse every year.
In other words no
The NFL should be held accountable. There is no excuse to not have full time refs in a multi billion dollar organization that receive year round training and get paid appropriate to such an important position. These refs were young and new to reffing (they were promoted this year), and they just threw flags on so many borderline fouls. Carolina is not a team that commits 15 penalties, not this year, and its been refreshing to watch. This was just a ref crew flagging things way out of the usual.
The most profitable sport in the country
But but the NFL is a non-profit! /s
No it’s not. They gave up that status years ago.
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I hate the idea of defending a company over the workers, but back during the lockout/replacement refs mess, one of the things that the NFL was asking for was full-time refs, and the refs union was against it, because most of the current refs were doing it as a side job and didn't want to give up their other careers.
I guess you could argue that the NFL could have and should have just offered them such a ridiculous amount of money to go full-time that they wouldn't have refused, but that's not how the world works.
I don't see how full-time officials work in a game that's played once a week. This isn't baseball or basketball or hockey with games every night. Meetings and review sessions are nice but reach a point of diminishing returns well before the 32-hour mark. The best way to stay sharp is game reps and in football there's just no way to make that happen.
The only way to hold them accountable is to stop watching. So stop watching.
I feel like we had to play super soft coverage because of it
They get graded and they get “punished” by not getting playoff assignments aka they get extra weekends off right after the holidays
I mean being able to get paid for officiating playoff games is a big deal to them though. And the way you get more opportunities to do that is (allegedly) by having a great track record in the regular season and post season.
Yeah I mean we can sharpshoot all we want but the reality is these guys are in it because they love it, see it as a privilege, and probably get major social status in their communities for reffing prominent games. I’m sure they take it extremely seriously and have a lot of pride in being scheduled to work big matchups and post season games. They know they won’t get every call right but I imagine they’re haunted by their mistakes.
Yeah. Honestly I think most people here haven’t been to an actual game and don’t really know how fucking fast a play moves. It’s a miracle they can see anything at all with all those big dudes blocking everything plus the speed of the game. It’s not the misses I’m concerned about it’s the fact that we can’t review shit and overturn shit that should be reviewed and overturned.
I would wager a lot of refs would agree with you. I just don’t believe they bear the responsibility for fairness, ethics, performance incentives, records, game outcomes, and franchise prestige/earnings lightly—to say nothing of the risk of damaging the NFL’s brand. Obviously some of them aren’t good enough, but by and large I would be shocked if really any of the refs opposed technical review. I think the issue is how to implement it in a timely way, how to acknowledge that some violations are immaterial based on how the play progressed, and that some missed calls should be flagged even if it’s well after the play is blown dead. I don’t think they have good answers for these questions — or solutions that are so obviously more reliable than what they’re already doing that it warrants making the change.
Refs do actually get demoted back to the college level / "fired" as well for bad performance
They did, but they didn't demote anyone of actual consequence. All of those who were waived assignments are less than 3 year refs. Read: Scapegoats.
Refs who are bad at the job don’t tend to last more than 3 years without getting fired. If it was 10-15 year vets getting fired every offseason instead of 3 year referees, I would seriously question why those guys were employed for so long in the first place!
And how do you know they weren't the ones making the bad calls? People seem to often be confusing the ref announcing the call with the one who made it on field. Far more likely story that the grading system and demotions, while flawed, is working largely as intended in this highly subjective game rather than some secret cabal of Super Refs looking for scapegoats...for...some reason...
lol
The ref announcing the call is the head ref, and they generally meet with the other umpires and judges to come to a conclusion. Thus...
Scapegoats. And the fact that they were 1-3 years in the league only further proves that. But please NFLRA, continue digging the hole.
The majority of those refs are doing it part-time, the league really doesn’t pay them full-time salaries so you’re legitimately messing with their pay and potential facetime and salaries for future seasons.
they're also all lawyers or something just doing this as a side gig if i heard correctly
One of the bullshit classes I took in college to have fun and distract me from the difficulty of my major was “Sports Officiating” and you are 100% correct. Most of these guys are lawyers or businessmen in some capacity. Very few (if any) fully rely on the income from officiating the NFL alone.
When the NFL had some full-time officials a few years ago they didn't grade out any better than the part-timers, so the project was abandoned. There's no substitute for actual game reps and unlike baseball/basketball/hockey, the very nature of football works against that.
You always hear that they’re all lawyers. The only time I knew one personally, he was my neighbor and as soon as the season was over, the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile would show up and he would drive it around to appearances.
Playoff assignments mean extra cash. If they valued 'weekends off' over cash they likely wouldn't be refs at all as they all have primary careers already.
Yes, they are punished by having to ref Titans games .... but in reality it's the cushiest job for a ref. No one watches you and you get to just make up shit and no one complains. Titans get a first down? Penalty. Titans stop a first down? Penalty.
Continue until the time runs out.
Refs are headed throughout the season. The top rated refs do postseason games which come with a substantially larger paycheck than regular season games.
Got to ask draftkings or fanduel those types of questions
LOL
Nope. Maybe a ref gets yelled at
“We wanted people to have to watch both Panthers Bucs games”
I’d be fine if this was a referee gambling type thing, but forcing people to watch NFCS football is where I draw the line.
dog I am not a tin foil hat guy but that is what I feel like this season
Classic ‘our bad’ with zero consequences.
Cool thanks I guess. It'll look great on the fridge next to "you're not old enough to get that call."
What about the Rams touchdown that was a yard short? Total horseshit
That was the worst of the weekend imo
The Ravens no TD call was probably worse. That was last week right?
definitely not worse. at least the actual argument there was over interpretation of the edge case of a specific rule. the rams receiver was a full yard outside the endzone as clear as day. it is not even possible to argue that one
The only possible way that could have been a correct call would be if the receiver was bobbling the ball as he went down and then regained control after he crossed the goal line, but without the ball hitting the ground. Other than that, he was definitely short.
I mean it’s worse in the sense that the catch rule wasn’t even consistent within that one game
Yeah that was weird. Like I understand what they say happened, but I didn’t see any video angles that convinced me. Down at the 1z
Worse than that, it was an incomplete pass. Ball definitely hit the ground
And wasn’t a catch in the first place.
So everyone's bets brought to you by Fanduel and DraftKings will be refunded right? Right?
Why would our that be the case? The nfl and the refs have nothing to do with that. The bets pay out on the game outcome, and there isn’t a single nfl game in the history of the league where every single call was right. Does that mean all bets on every game should be refunded?
The /s really doesn't need to be needed on every post on Reddit but day after day people prove they take everything serious
Oh, cool. Another instance where the NFL allegedly admitted to messing up a call based on only the word of someone that we have to assume is part of the organization that was "apologized" to with no confirmation at all from the NFL that this is true.
I thought we all learned not to trust this kind of thing after the Reichard missed kick that the NFL also "apologized" for getting wrong, even though every single other angle showed that it absolutely did not hit anything and therefore there was nothing to apologize about.
Full transparency during replay like in the UFL. We get to hear what they’re discussing
That entire game was a ref job.
I'm not used to the refs not fucking us, tbh.
I dont think the refs were out to fuck us, they're just extremely bad refs overall. I hope no one else has to deal with them but I'm sure they will. At least I hope they dont get a playoff game, I do NOT want a playoff game with 26 fucking flags on majority ticky tack fouls. Let the boys play.
Bryce had a run that was very close to a first down but was spotted short. Canales throws the red flag, we watch a couple replays that look like he got it, as we go to commercials the announcers say something like "well looks like this one's getting overturned." We come back from commercial break, get shown one still image where he's short and the game moves on.
Why are we shown just a still frame from the video? Just show the whole clip and pause if you want.
The still showed his knee down & ball short. I also hate the cutaways, but not sure how a full replay changes things.
Do you not agree that the ball could have crossed the first down line, then the tackle pushed him backwards where his knee touched down?
I'm still waiting for the NFL to admit that Will Reichard hit a camera wire in Europe.
Isaac Punts has a great video breaking down why it was actually impossible for Will Reichard's kick to hit the wire because of where the wires are located and that it was just an optical illusion on a weird kick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCPG-9QPQiA
That's not that great of a video
I mean it literally shows a diagram of the camera wires which connect to the corners of the stadium.
It's literally impossible for the camera to be where it was and have the ball hit it's wire.
What did the ball hit then?
His foot.
Okay but that doesn't make it a great video. And his snark in the comments was pretty sad.
I was not attempting to quantify his humor or effort lol. Just solely based the quality of the breaking down of the event and disproving the wire myth.
Cowards
I feel like NFL rules are super vibe based and its coming home to roost this season. I know "refs are bad every year" but there has been a lot of genuine head scratchers this season. I dont recall hearing rules analysts be like uhh yeah idk about that as much as I have this season
The difference is the quality/quantity of the cameras. We know they are messing up more than we did before because of that. Why they cant use that in reply more is beyond me, but there has never been a point in my life I would have said "the refs do a good job" and I have been watching football over 40 years. Teams were getting screwed by bad calls that whole stretch. Ask an older Bears fan what they think of the "instant replay" game for example, and that was 39 years ago.
Also the increase of social media makes us read/hear about it more than in the past.
The rise of gambling doesn't help either as more people are gambling now and more likely to get upset when calls mess with their bets.
Im glad at least they admitted it was a mistake. I have no idea what a catch is regardless, but I was sure that was one. Yeah it hit the ground but he had complete control and the ball never moved.
“Privately” admitting to it is shady as hell
It's a Florio article with no proof this was "privately" admitted one way or another tbh. The NFL doesn't have a reason to hide this shit when they routinely pull a public "my bad" to teams - this play has 0 consequence on anything in that game this is just getting pretty silly at this point
Eh it changes the playbook rather a lot, no idea what would have happened.
Welcome to the NFL.
Wouldn’t have guessed it from the OP
Eh its still 12 less yards that matters a lot. Plus they had called illegal formation on the Panthers on the kickoff which wiped out 19 more yards of field position and never showed a review of that. These refs were just whack. Both ways, to be clear.
Sure but the wording in the OP is misleading. It was the difference in about 10 seconds of game time and the definitive play was Bryce getting sacked right after the 2-minute warning anyways which led to the drive ultimately ending in a punt.
It’s worth bringing to attention but they aren’t even saying the call was inherently ‘wrong’ just that it didn’t rise above the level of inconclusive. This is more about how much subjectivity is injected in to everything nowadays than a team actually getting hosed.
Nah bro the panthers just got an all time ref screw job its the only possible explanation for only putting up 17pts on the 2025 saints not that their playcalling was bad or their qb only managed 170 passing yds with 1/3 of that coming off 1 play
Acting like everyone who calls out the refs for screwing up must therefore also say it was solely the refs faults is a stupid take. These refs were promoted this year. They threw 26 flags, 15 on the Panthers, when the Panthers average 5.6 flags/game for the other 13 games we've played. Yes, its entirely possible we were just very sloppy, but with only like three exceptions, every penalty BOTH ways that I saw (and they didnt show replay on quite a few) were borderline or straight up just ticky tack as hell or even just flat out wrong. This ref crew is garbage and I really really hope they dont get a playoff game.
My dad and I were texting during the game - it was just unwatchable. Didn't matter even when we were ahead. Just can't throw flags on every play. Half of the ones that had video review even left the announcers confused.
It was an important game for Panthers fans, so sure, we're complaining about it, but all NFL fans should be mad about this shit. It makes for a terrible product. If every play can technically have some sort of minor infraction there needs to be a better solution then letting refs guess at it.
Yeah as a fan of a team currently also losing to mid teams I guarantee that this call that didn’t end up factoring in to anything tangible isn’t the reason you’re losing to the Saints.
Don't forget not only was it the sole reason the panthers lost to the saints, but the refs, or some unknown party, benefited via this specific call because of DraftKings. /s. God I wish the mods of this sub would clamp down on the gambling accusations for every routine subjective call that happens dozens of times a week
Also would have kept the clock running. Saints only had 12 seconds left on the clock when they ran their last play before kicking.
It happened with 2:17 left in the game. The Panthers ran the next play at 2:12 when they converted the 1st down and hit the 2-minute warning.
You could argue it actually helped the Panthers since they hit the 2-minutes with a fresh set of downs instead of before.
The Saints ran the clock down intentionally when they got in range to the point they threw an errant pass intentionally to try and burn off a few extra seconds (Panthers still got the ball back after the FG)
The refs tried and failed so they had to try again.
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Ehh it was a 50/50 call where the player lost control with one of his hands and fully uses the ground to complete the catch. I fully understand why it was overturned and am not surprised at all.
Also the Bryce slide you are complaining about was not remotely the same kind of tackle. Shough was hit in the head and neck area which is why they flagged it. It's bullshit that QBs are allowed to do that, but it is consistent with what has been called all season.
The NFL also isn’t saying they arrived at the wrong ruling, rather, they never should have been reviewing the call on the field in the first place. Sucks that I have to be mad that the refs botched a call and then wrongfully unbotched it. Wtf is that?!
Copy pasted this to help you feel better because from what I've found it was a Saints Challenge so it was fine to review it, the NFL just thinks it wasn't obvious enough to overturn.
The refs mic cuts out when he is announcing it, but from what I can make it out it sounds like he says the Saints are challenging the ruling on the field.
So I went to ESPN's play by play and this is how they marked the play:(feel free to confirm it yourself)
This is consistent with OP's article as well which says the Saints initiated the challenge.
So I think the on screen display that says Booth Review was actually incorrect and it should have said Saints Challenge. I can't find footage of the actual review because in the game replay they cut out most of that discussion, but as far as I can tell it was just a visual mistake.
Overturning calls on the field require certainty, not 50/50.
Also, doing a review outside 2 min, with no challnge, score, or turn over, certainly requires more than a maybe
This is the biggest offense. It got reviewed from booth when it shouldn't have
I'm honestly surprised the NFL said they disagreed with the call, because it's not particularly egregious. It's reasonable that they would call it incomplete after review when this is how it was caught https://ibb.co/3mQgTF59
The ball is allowed to touch the ground and his fingers were squeezing the ball, as he lifts it a few milliseconds after this screenshot. It does look like an incompletion, but I disagree that it's indisputable.
I'm not saying it's indisputable at all. I'm saying I understand why the refs made this call based on what they saw in the review. To them it was clear evidence it didn't survive the ground and I fully think it reasonably could be called either way.
I just disagree with the assessment that the Panthers were screwed over by the refs.
The Panthers were objectively screwed by the refs here because a booth review was initiated here outside of two minutes and without a saints challenge.
And before anyone asks no this wasn't the expedited review process, they stopped the game
So I went back to check this because what you are saying is correct and total bullshit to happen.
The refs mic cuts out when he is announcing it, but from what I can make it out it sounds like he says the Saints are challenging the ruling on the field.
So I went to ESPN's play by play and this is how they marked the play:
This is consistent with OP's article as well which says the Saints initiated the challenge.
So I think the on screen display that says Booth Review was actually incorrect and it should have said Saints Challenge. I can't find footage of the actual review because in the game replay they cut out most of that discussion, but as far as I can tell it was just a visual mistake.
Ball didn’t move an inch in his hand.
Taking one hand off the ball does not count as loss of control. He establishes control before the ball touches the ground, and his other hand has a firm grasp of the ball throughout the process.
I don’t think the ground actually helped
Admittedly there are no great angles, but from the side angle it looks like he's hit in the ribcage, not the head/neck area. He sells it, which you and the refs bought.
Shough was hit in the chest, and then momentum and physics caused more contact as he slid, which is kinda like physically impossible not to happen. The more egregious bad RTP call was the one on Derrick Brown that was ridiculous.
I do agree BY needs to learn how to slide. He was hit up high but he kinda just... sits down.
Tmac doesn't lose control of the ball at all, and it never moves. It was absolutely a catch and the NFL is even admitting it apparently.
Look, I hate to be that guy, but the past three games have been bullshit. And when I kept seeing about how many bets were placed on the Panthers those weeks, I can’t help but wonder if some shenanigans are in play.
The NBA has done a good job of play review and there’s like 5x the amount of plays in an NBA game. They’ll review, call their mistake, sometimes even calling non-calls after review. It’s not perfect but it’s at least better and seems transparent. Why is the sky judge so shit in the NFL?
Put that in one hand and five bucks in the other, and you'll have five bucks.
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The NFL would greatly benefit from adopting the ACC Replay Command Center model. Let the replay officials’ deliberations be broadcast live, and see how many of these still happen.
"Not Clear and Obvious"
MFer his left hand comes completely off the ball and it moves significantly.
Only explanation is that they want to cover for the on field ref crew vs the replay office, it never should have been called a catch in the first place.
Never moved a goddamn inch in his right hand.
Oh no! Anyways.
Not a single Shough to give
I want a live on-air official apology and action plan from the commissioner. This has been going on all year, it's disgusting how much it's affecting the game. The refs are incompetent, fix it!
they gifted y’all a tuddy on the first drive for the second game in a row and y’all still bitching?!
Huh? You mean on first and goal, the Rico run?
No he’s talking about the incredibly obvious OPI on Jalen Coker’s first catch. Would’ve had made it 2nd and 25 and surely ended the driver
Oh my god I can’t believe I forgot about that Rico “touchdown”. Those refs truly were awful, at least we can all agree on that.
There should be a new type of challenge flag for coaches. They get 1 a game win or lose it. Where a panel of a few super analysts in New York closely review these calls when challenged. Too many "our bads" a few days later
Now if they would admit that will the thrill’s kicks hit their damn wires.
Us next please
Sure but a couple calls even going the opposite way isn’t an excuse for getting swept by the arguably worse team in the league as a playoff team 😂
They’re definitely not remotely close to the worst team in the league. Tits jets raiders still exist, far worse.
The NFC South doesn't have a worthy playoff team lol. And yeah they should have won anyway. It doesnt change that the refs were just garbage. Not like, biased against the Panthers, just garbage period. There was a string of plays on the Saints TD drive (the first one, where we were still trying to play defense), that was like 6-7 in a row where there was a flag. It was just frustrating to watch. Pretty sure Saints fans would agree with me here.
That ball was half on the ground half in his hand
Ball can touch the ground all you want as long as you maintain control. Never moved an inch in his grasp.
I could tell who wrote this based off the use of erroneous