No an engineer told me that they didn't know what to do at a red light that is off and rather than try to proceed and possible kill another cat they would rather just stop on the side of caution.
That's exactly what I asked them and they said they rather freeze than do a catastrophic mistake ie cruise went out of business due to a catastrophic mistake.
Downvote me again but again words from the engineer. I got no more info other than that response.
The same goddamn substation in SOMA on Mission street caught fire and caused blackouts in 1997 and 2003.
After the 2003 fire the CPUC decided not to fine PG&E and instead ordered them to spend the amount of the fine on long term repairs to the substation, which they then did not do.
I was living in SF in 2003 - and even without Waymo cars blocking the streets, a blackout in SF is never fun.
Without extensive subsidies and literal bullshit (like this opinion of yours) we could’ve phased out the overwhelming majority of fossil fuels from our grids. We don’t cause business interests don’t want to actually compete in the market, that’s it.
I literally work in the industry for one of the largest public power utilities in the Western US.
Stop trying to create a strawman where I’m against renewable energy. I’m not.
Renewables are great. We should encourage a diverse portfolio of fuel sources for generation, but we will never ween fossils in their entirety in our lifetimes, and we shouldn’t if we value reliability.
Frequency must be maintained in a tight tolerance at 60Hz. Electricity can’t readily be stored at a utility scale yet, so generation must match demand almost instantaneously.
Renewables are difficult to ramp, and are largely subject to weather conditions. We can spool a natural gas turbine within minutes to keep frequency in response to spikes in demand which would otherwise cause underfrequency and cascading failures without that near-instant generation capacity.
Ideally, we would have nuclear, and Hydro power cover our base load with small 10-50MW natural gas turbines to take on peak demand. Solar is great, as a DER, but not when operated by a utility.
We can’t do it because we have intentionally ignored and resisted modernizing and diversifying our grid isn’t the gotcha you’re trying to make it.
Also if you’re referring to PG&E get megafucked, that shithole company should’ve been broken up and nationalized ages ago. Their board of directors should be jailed and their salaries returned to the people they’ve been milking dry. Really all the “large utilities”. I’m so glad I get to subsidize data centers that are intended to put me out of work.
Firea from transformers are common-that buzzing noise is the copper coils virbating, eventually it gets so bad that it interferes with the cooling and they explode or catch on fire.
This happened near where I live, all sorts of crazy theories but it turned out some meth heads wanted to rob ATMs and businesses so they shot up sub stations to kill the power to the places they wanted to rob.
I should have added……Before they were caught there was all sorts of talk of this for sure being Antifa or something similar. People were convinced it was some huge, carefully orchestrated plot masterminded by some terrorist organization. It ended up being a couple meth heads looking to knock off some 7-11s.
In the 95, Michael Damron (not the musician) cut 7 x 4 inch phone fiber optic cables and took out phone service for much of the Fargo/Moorhead area. He caused over $1 million in damages.
His goal? To rob Sight On Sound, an electronics store. He did 8 years in prison.
In 2016, he burned down the Eagan City Hall and went back to prison for 7 years.
Sometimes, pushed-back maintenance makes time for itself in major ways.
The UK had a substation fire which significantly messed up London Heathrow Airport earlier this year. People thought foul play at the time but it is now known to be "oops this important maintenance issue got forgotten about" combined with "old site layout which would no longer be compliant and cannot be improved" caused some quite large havoc.
But the first and only news I heard for hours was Waymo taxis blocking traffic because of the power outage.
Honestly I don’t blame em I would’ve done the same thing.
So the robots know how to strike about poor conditions but not the humans
Robots don't have their emotion chips installed :(
Turned off a data center?
No an engineer told me that they didn't know what to do at a red light that is off and rather than try to proceed and possible kill another cat they would rather just stop on the side of caution.
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That's exactly what I asked them and they said they rather freeze than do a catastrophic mistake ie cruise went out of business due to a catastrophic mistake.
Downvote me again but again words from the engineer. I got no more info other than that response.
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He definitely thought he was talking about the Waymo cars.
The same goddamn substation in SOMA on Mission street caught fire and caused blackouts in 1997 and 2003.
After the 2003 fire the CPUC decided not to fine PG&E and instead ordered them to spend the amount of the fine on long term repairs to the substation, which they then did not do.
I was living in SF in 2003 - and even without Waymo cars blocking the streets, a blackout in SF is never fun.
I don't understand how PG&E still exists after all the violations, deadly incidents, bankruptcies, etc. The company should be broken up.
It’s a mafia.
Glad the right wingers are already blaming renewable energy and socialism in our fossil fuel obsessed/powered capitalist nation
Right wingers will blame whoever Fox News tells them to blame. Fox News will blame whoever Trump tells them to blame. Shit flows downhill.
Trickle-down blaming
The real question is how was Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and Sleepy Joe involved? Let's get James Comer on this.
Barack SADDAM HUSSEIN OBAMA
…Bin Laden
Their guy is in complete control of the government and they're still fucking miserable
Natural gas will always have a place in the grid for peak-demand.
You can not rely on renewables alone. Ideally, the bulk of your base capacity would be nuclear, with small natural-gas turbines to handle peak demand
Without extensive subsidies and literal bullshit (like this opinion of yours) we could’ve phased out the overwhelming majority of fossil fuels from our grids. We don’t cause business interests don’t want to actually compete in the market, that’s it.
I literally work in the industry for one of the largest public power utilities in the Western US.
Stop trying to create a strawman where I’m against renewable energy. I’m not.
Renewables are great. We should encourage a diverse portfolio of fuel sources for generation, but we will never ween fossils in their entirety in our lifetimes, and we shouldn’t if we value reliability.
Frequency must be maintained in a tight tolerance at 60Hz. Electricity can’t readily be stored at a utility scale yet, so generation must match demand almost instantaneously.
Renewables are difficult to ramp, and are largely subject to weather conditions. We can spool a natural gas turbine within minutes to keep frequency in response to spikes in demand which would otherwise cause underfrequency and cascading failures without that near-instant generation capacity.
Ideally, we would have nuclear, and Hydro power cover our base load with small 10-50MW natural gas turbines to take on peak demand. Solar is great, as a DER, but not when operated by a utility.
We can’t do it because we have intentionally ignored and resisted modernizing and diversifying our grid isn’t the gotcha you’re trying to make it.
Also if you’re referring to PG&E get megafucked, that shithole company should’ve been broken up and nationalized ages ago. Their board of directors should be jailed and their salaries returned to the people they’ve been milking dry. Really all the “large utilities”. I’m so glad I get to subsidize data centers that are intended to put me out of work.
…what are you on about? I literally said diversifying the grid is a good thing
No, I don’t work for PG&E.
There are literally physical limitations as to why renewables can not make up 100% of a generation portfolio in their current state.
You’re not as well-researched in this as you think you are.
Not since Pride Week have so many households been out…
In this age of rising domestic tensions and stochastic terrorism, I can't help but wonder how this "substation fire" started...
Firea from transformers are common-that buzzing noise is the copper coils virbating, eventually it gets so bad that it interferes with the cooling and they explode or catch on fire.
Occam's Razor.
This happened near where I live, all sorts of crazy theories but it turned out some meth heads wanted to rob ATMs and businesses so they shot up sub stations to kill the power to the places they wanted to rob.
https://komonews.com/news/local/former-tacoma-resident-indicted-for-attacking-6-power-substations-in-washington
.... Meth heads cutting power to rob businesses is maybe the opposite of Occams Razor.
Or maybe I just don't live near enough meth heads.
I should have added……Before they were caught there was all sorts of talk of this for sure being Antifa or something similar. People were convinced it was some huge, carefully orchestrated plot masterminded by some terrorist organization. It ended up being a couple meth heads looking to knock off some 7-11s.
I live near a lot.
Occams Razor is meth for sure.
In the 95, Michael Damron (not the musician) cut 7 x 4 inch phone fiber optic cables and took out phone service for much of the Fargo/Moorhead area. He caused over $1 million in damages.
His goal? To rob Sight On Sound, an electronics store. He did 8 years in prison.
In 2016, he burned down the Eagan City Hall and went back to prison for 7 years.
Occam's Dealer - Meth
Thats domestic terrorism though?
Sometimes, pushed-back maintenance makes time for itself in major ways.
The UK had a substation fire which significantly messed up London Heathrow Airport earlier this year. People thought foul play at the time but it is now known to be "oops this important maintenance issue got forgotten about" combined with "old site layout which would no longer be compliant and cannot be improved" caused some quite large havoc.
Probably in part due to the storm hitting the coast right now.
Any Tesla powerwalls saving the day for anyone?
What happened? Are there data centers nearby?
Transmission outage.
Substation fire caused cascading failures. Nothing to do with data centers.