Eh. Priests, churches, religious figures manipulating people into things they think they deserve or should get… is a tale as old as time. Religious people manipulating is as common as people with power abusing said power, be it cops, politicians or kings.
While many, many are not doing it, are often very good people there will always be some. That’s how it is. Some people spoil/ruin it for others.
It’s an easy and, basically, free way to get power over a group of people. Just be super Christian and talk over people and eventually lead some groups that grows into leading larger groups then get asked on stage a few times. All just working on Sundays and talking out your ass.
With the power you can get paid, get gifts, direct peoples thoughts and lives, influence and events and spending. You don’t have to have any degree, though some do, you just have to be a hustler. The deacons of my church growing up liked adults, at least, 3 of them got let go for sleeping with other guys’ wives. So this has always been happening
Makes sense if you read the article. At the time she was a minor posing as an adult while working at a strip club. And the age of consent in 'bama at that time was 16 apparently.
He broke no laws - I am not condoning what he did, but he should not be put in jail.
For those that said prostitution, from what I read, the arrangement was for general companionship, and he would say that it lead to sex. IE: it was not based on sex, but rather, that the relationship developed to this overtime. It a subtle difference, and only they really know what went on. L I don’t remember reading where she said that she was being a prostitute (but I could easily missed it).
Mostly in America... Except for outside of Vegas. An one of the older professions in history. Im pretty sure the only reason it not legal is it hard for them to tax it
not the point of where it was besides in the United States. Where in some parts it is legal. An it also Legal/tolerated in over 50% of countries. Prostitution been around for ever an always will be.
I mean catching predators is a good thing and all, but I don't know if 17 year olds posing as 18 year olds and then pulling the rug under people is the way to go. Unless you want everyone to exchange IDs when they hook up, I guess.
I can’t remember the details but there’s this story about how a murder case was dismissed because an entire town got together and claimed to either not see anything or provided alibis for the suspects. Because the guy killed was a rapists or a murderer or something.
What am I not getting about this article? This man believed she was 18. She illegally attained employment as an exotic dancer at 17 and then took the guys money and agreed to be in a relationship with him. She makes no allegations of abuse or violence, she kept all the money, and then she turns around and publicly destroys him years later because she realized she was depressed and regretted doing what she did?
She says she was horrified to discover he works with children... She's implying he's a pedophile now? And apparently he hired other prostitutes throughout his life, so she was horrified by that too?
That prostitutes end up with massive PTSD which ruin much of their lives. Also a great majority of those who turn to prostitution have already been sexually abused before they ever become prostitutes.
So when prostitutes leave the industry, should they keep the money they made and out the people who hired them to publicly humiliate them? Is that the path forward for a healthier society?
Dude's a predator who cannot be trusted around young girls. No one who buys young girls for sex should be working with children.
He was in the priesthood, a position of authority that's suppose to help those most needy, he instead chose to further abuse her. There was nothing he did in this situation that made for a healthier society.
So when you say he abused her, do you really mean he entered into a mutually beneficial, conscious agreement with a person who posed as an adult and illegally secured employment in the adult entertainment industry? Is that what you mean by child abuse? This man can't be trusted around preteens because he hired someone who fooled him, several other customers, and an entire business establishment into believing she was 18?
Pretty sure I'm talking to a moral absolutist here so I don't expect any honest answers
So when you say he abused her, do you really mean he entered into a mutually beneficial
When you say mutually beneficial do you mean a much older man in the highly regarded career of priesthood knowingly buying a young girl like one would buy a cup of coffee because he knew that girl was desperate for money and didn't care about that girl beyond throwing her out like a cellophane cup until it actually adversely impacted him.
This man can't be trusted around preteens because he hired someone who fooled him
Yes. This man cannot be trusted around preteens or teens. His purchasing of women should disqualify him from both working around preteens and teens as well as being a priest. Good grief, since when did it become acceptable behavior for priest to buy women or girls. Reminder that this is a man who because he was in the priesthood promised to be sexually abstinent.
Pretty sure I'm talking to a moral absolutist here so I don't expect any honest answers
Would think that someone who has morals would deliver more honest answers than someone eschewing morals. But something tells me you are talking only about sex. Have all the sex you want, but if you pay for sex be aware of the consequences. All of them.
That's not true. People conflate priests with nuns. Nuns take a vow of poverty. Priests take no such vow, and generally make a salary while not paying for housing or any other expenses. Priests usually have a lot of excess money to spend. They may make only $35,000 a year, but imagine how far that can take you if you don't have any expenses. They are also free to invest that money, which can lead to growth.
The last time something similar happened (priest had weird amounts of money and paid for sex) he was famous in the Catholic world selling books and had been a business man before that. But that specific priest was also a pathological liar.
With housing, food, and transport out of the question, the poverty line is very different. I still think I agree with your conclusion, but regular poverty guidelines don't really apply here.
Making this money with no real expenses, over the course of 20-30 years leads to quite a bit of disposable income if invested properly.
That's definitely true. But let's do some quick math. Let's say he makes $45,000. And I'll just go ahead and say that maybe $20,000 of that remains after paying for all the things that he might need and then move to the issue of taxes. So, take out taxes (priests are taxed differently and are considered self employed, technically)
Leaving out interest, investments and such the principal alone on giving away "hundreds of thousands of dollars" - let's call it 200k - is TEN YEARS of giving away every cent that was left over.
This is crazy town and very, very unlikely. There almost definitely had to be another revenue source here.
Priests travel a lot. They are charitable in nature. I have a friend that is a Catholic priest and he spends a lot of money constantly traveling, visiting people, contributing money to community projects. Priests are different, but my friend easily spends hundreds of dollars every month bringing gifts to children in hospitals, buying people food, clothes, etc etc. there's a lot of little things they spend money on that adds up
Catholic priests get a travel stipend but my friend goes way, way over that. The priest life is really fascinating , honestly
I hate religion as much as the next redditor, but this is absurd. Priests aren't well-paid and it's not even really a "career" because there's little advancement.
Do you also consider everybody in the porn industry who was involved with Traci Lords's career when she provided a fake birth certificate a creep?
Efforts to prosecute two producers and her former talent agent failed as Lords had used a stolen birth certificate to obtain a federal passport and California driver's license, thereby giving industry personnel a reasonable belief that she was over 18 at the time.[5]
Tbh I’m not going to read that article but if the producers were older than 25 and Traci lied that she was 18 or 19, then yeah, they were creeps.
The only reason some men don’t go below 18, 17, 16, or 12 (the age of consent in Georgia til the 1930s) is because they legally can’t go lower
If the age of consent were changed to 9 tomorrow, some guys would be screaming that it’s not creepy to fuck 9 yr olds because they’re legal and legal = good = moral = healthy
"Jones, on the other hand, was charged with a criminal misdemeanor in connection with accusations that she filed a legal motion on behalf of a man involved in a court case, as Alabama media outlets have reported. Prosecutors in a county north of Birmingham allege the motion was signed under Jones’s name as an “advocate/law student” – and that in itself constituted having illicitly “engaged in practicing law” without being a licensed attorney, as WHNT.com noted.
A trial was tentatively scheduled for 28 January.
Jones has mostly declined to comment on prosecutors’ allegations, saying she would prefer to let her attorney handle the matter. But she said she can’t help but wonder if the charges were meant to undermine her credibility for having spoken out against Sullivan."
Nuh uh! Dont you backtrack and admit XYZ and how i am right! Im trying to prove a point that you suck! You cant just take it back and admit you were wrong!
The real shock of this story is that a priest paid for sex instead of just taking it
that line hits hard. It says a lot about how broken the whole system is when that’s the part that surprises people.
Eh. Priests, churches, religious figures manipulating people into things they think they deserve or should get… is a tale as old as time. Religious people manipulating is as common as people with power abusing said power, be it cops, politicians or kings.
While many, many are not doing it, are often very good people there will always be some. That’s how it is. Some people spoil/ruin it for others.
It’s an easy and, basically, free way to get power over a group of people. Just be super Christian and talk over people and eventually lead some groups that grows into leading larger groups then get asked on stage a few times. All just working on Sundays and talking out your ass.
With the power you can get paid, get gifts, direct peoples thoughts and lives, influence and events and spending. You don’t have to have any degree, though some do, you just have to be a hustler. The deacons of my church growing up liked adults, at least, 3 of them got let go for sleeping with other guys’ wives. So this has always been happening
What’s surprising is how common this is and yet people still eagerly follow these “religious” institutions.
Don’t know why you put religious in scare quotes.
Having a bunch of powerful men at the top who get to do whatever they want is exactly what religion has always been.
And it turns out that rape (especially towards children) is top of the list for religious types.
In fact the higher the religiosity of a sex criminal the more brutal their crimes tend to be, and the younger their victims tend to be.
17 year olds are more aware of the situation than their usual pre-teen victims.
And that it was a woman, not a little boy.
And that she was 17 instead of younger
Well, when I pay someone for sex, I always make sure it's part of a religious ceremony. That way it's tax deductible.
With a woman no less
Would you feel better knowing it wasn't his money? It was from the collection plate.
No winner? How about 'the general public'?
He served no time.
He avoided that loss. Still no winner.
Makes sense if you read the article. At the time she was a minor posing as an adult while working at a strip club. And the age of consent in 'bama at that time was 16 apparently.
It's salacious but it's not criminal.
Paying for sex is (probably) criminal in this case, but your point is reasonable.
And what’s sad is that compensating his victim who was legally of age is two steps ahead of the normal accusations.
Ya, this whole thing feels like that running joke from Archer
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Should he be in prison for hiring a prostitute who lied about her age to attain employment as an exotic dancer?
He broke no laws - I am not condoning what he did, but he should not be put in jail.
For those that said prostitution, from what I read, the arrangement was for general companionship, and he would say that it lead to sex. IE: it was not based on sex, but rather, that the relationship developed to this overtime. It a subtle difference, and only they really know what went on. L I don’t remember reading where she said that she was being a prostitute (but I could easily missed it).
Soliciting a prostitute is illegal
Mostly in America... Except for outside of Vegas. An one of the older professions in history. Im pretty sure the only reason it not legal is it hard for them to tax it
Nah. It can be taxed like any other income. The IRS doesn't care how you paid them, just that you paid them.
This was in Alabama… so, illegal
not the point of where it was besides in the United States. Where in some parts it is legal. An it also Legal/tolerated in over 50% of countries. Prostitution been around for ever an always will be.
It seems strange for pro-sexwork Reddit to advocate for this priest getting jail time for soliciting a prostitute.
Because reddit is all 1 individual that thinks the same thing about every issue with no disagreement 🙄 /s
Yeah that one singular person probably dictates upvote trends, huh?
I'm not advocating jail, just correcting their claim that he broke no laws
She means she doesn't feel like she won anything.
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As far as shes concerned those are the only parties involved in this.
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I imagine it might be more difficult for him to acquire future victims. So there's that.
She’s no longer 17. So no, there won’t be future ‘victims’
Plenty of other currently-17-year-olds around.
I mean catching predators is a good thing and all, but I don't know if 17 year olds posing as 18 year olds and then pulling the rug under people is the way to go. Unless you want everyone to exchange IDs when they hook up, I guess.
Sounds like you’ve been there.
Dude what the fuck
Do you realize that predators move onto the next young and vulnerable person once the first one ages out…
The girl, the priest, or both
None of you read the article.
I don't follow
I can’t remember the details but there’s this story about how a murder case was dismissed because an entire town got together and claimed to either not see anything or provided alibis for the suspects. Because the guy killed was a rapists or a murderer or something.
Anyway, bringing this up for no reason at all.
What am I not getting about this article? This man believed she was 18. She illegally attained employment as an exotic dancer at 17 and then took the guys money and agreed to be in a relationship with him. She makes no allegations of abuse or violence, she kept all the money, and then she turns around and publicly destroys him years later because she realized she was depressed and regretted doing what she did?
She says she was horrified to discover he works with children... She's implying he's a pedophile now? And apparently he hired other prostitutes throughout his life, so she was horrified by that too?
What am I not getting here?
In Alabama the age of consent is 16, so him sleeping with her was legal, too.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she tried to shake him down for more money, he said no, so she decided to out him.
He’s hypocritical I guess but ultimately I don’t think he did anything wrong. She’s a douche.
You get it.
That prostitutes end up with massive PTSD which ruin much of their lives. Also a great majority of those who turn to prostitution have already been sexually abused before they ever become prostitutes.
So when prostitutes leave the industry, should they keep the money they made and out the people who hired them to publicly humiliate them? Is that the path forward for a healthier society?
Dude's a predator who cannot be trusted around young girls. No one who buys young girls for sex should be working with children.
He was in the priesthood, a position of authority that's suppose to help those most needy, he instead chose to further abuse her. There was nothing he did in this situation that made for a healthier society.
So when you say he abused her, do you really mean he entered into a mutually beneficial, conscious agreement with a person who posed as an adult and illegally secured employment in the adult entertainment industry? Is that what you mean by child abuse? This man can't be trusted around preteens because he hired someone who fooled him, several other customers, and an entire business establishment into believing she was 18?
Pretty sure I'm talking to a moral absolutist here so I don't expect any honest answers
When you say mutually beneficial do you mean a much older man in the highly regarded career of priesthood knowingly buying a young girl like one would buy a cup of coffee because he knew that girl was desperate for money and didn't care about that girl beyond throwing her out like a cellophane cup until it actually adversely impacted him.
Yes. This man cannot be trusted around preteens or teens. His purchasing of women should disqualify him from both working around preteens and teens as well as being a priest. Good grief, since when did it become acceptable behavior for priest to buy women or girls. Reminder that this is a man who because he was in the priesthood promised to be sexually abstinent.
Would think that someone who has morals would deliver more honest answers than someone eschewing morals. But something tells me you are talking only about sex. Have all the sex you want, but if you pay for sex be aware of the consequences. All of them.
Where did this guy get hundreds of thousands dollars? Priests make almost nothing
That's not true. People conflate priests with nuns. Nuns take a vow of poverty. Priests take no such vow, and generally make a salary while not paying for housing or any other expenses. Priests usually have a lot of excess money to spend. They may make only $35,000 a year, but imagine how far that can take you if you don't have any expenses. They are also free to invest that money, which can lead to growth.
Well that’s fucked
The last time something similar happened (priest had weird amounts of money and paid for sex) he was famous in the Catholic world selling books and had been a business man before that. But that specific priest was also a pathological liar.
I'm curious about this guy's money too.
Only priests who take a vow of poverty make nothing. Priest is a pretty well paying career if you want to make money.
Catholic priests generally make 25-40k
Income in the twenties is food stamp range.
No need for food stamps. Catholic priests usually get room and board, and a car.
That's not my point. What I was referring to is that they make essentially just above a poverty wage.
No priest makes enough from their salary to be giving strippers hundreds of thousands of dollars.
With housing, food, and transport out of the question, the poverty line is very different. I still think I agree with your conclusion, but regular poverty guidelines don't really apply here.
Making this money with no real expenses, over the course of 20-30 years leads to quite a bit of disposable income if invested properly.
That's definitely true. But let's do some quick math. Let's say he makes $45,000. And I'll just go ahead and say that maybe $20,000 of that remains after paying for all the things that he might need and then move to the issue of taxes. So, take out taxes (priests are taxed differently and are considered self employed, technically)
Leaving out interest, investments and such the principal alone on giving away "hundreds of thousands of dollars" - let's call it 200k - is TEN YEARS of giving away every cent that was left over.
This is crazy town and very, very unlikely. There almost definitely had to be another revenue source here.
What is he spending money on if not room, board, and transportation? 1k/ month on what? Clothes?
Priests travel a lot. They are charitable in nature. I have a friend that is a Catholic priest and he spends a lot of money constantly traveling, visiting people, contributing money to community projects. Priests are different, but my friend easily spends hundreds of dollars every month bringing gifts to children in hospitals, buying people food, clothes, etc etc. there's a lot of little things they spend money on that adds up
Catholic priests get a travel stipend but my friend goes way, way over that. The priest life is really fascinating , honestly
Are the expected to cover beyond their stipend, or is that by choice?
Lotta broke punters at the tip rail my friend
Lol, I don't know why but that phrasing just cracked me up. Are you from the UK
Haha, thank goodness no I’m not, but for lack of a better term for the guys throwing singles at the stage, I’m going with punters
I hate religion as much as the next redditor, but this is absurd. Priests aren't well-paid and it's not even really a "career" because there's little advancement.
No one becomes a priest to get rich.
My guess is the tithings/offering plate.
Gift shop in the lobby
The coffer obviously
The money was just resting in his account.
The only crime here is the fact that he paid for it, and why is prostitution illegal in the first place?
The age of consent is 16 in Alabama (and many other states).
He looks like Patrick Dumont.
70% of Catholic priests arn't celibate. At least this guy wasn't doing little kids
Let priests marry. Peter was married.
I’m surprised he paid, and that the victim was a girl
Not sure how much of a victim she was. She lied about her age and entered into a wilfull agreement.
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Did you actually read the article? The girl was posing as someone over 18 and working at a strip club.
And you think that makes him not a creep because?
I mean is every man who has ever gone to a strip club and paid for a dance a creep?
He paid for sex.
Oh no!
He paid her for sex. Dancing ≠ sex. The irony of you asking if people read the article when you didn’t even read the headline
Sex is the original dance.
Nope, that’s the Macarena.
This is clearly Fox Trot erasure
Do you also consider everybody in the porn industry who was involved with Traci Lords's career when she provided a fake birth certificate a creep?
Apparently you can't always trust a passport
Tbh I’m not going to read that article but if the producers were older than 25 and Traci lied that she was 18 or 19, then yeah, they were creeps.
The only reason some men don’t go below 18, 17, 16, or 12 (the age of consent in Georgia til the 1930s) is because they legally can’t go lower
If the age of consent were changed to 9 tomorrow, some guys would be screaming that it’s not creepy to fuck 9 yr olds because they’re legal and legal = good = moral = healthy
Oh that's so much better that the priest was soliciting women at a strip club
People on here wouldn't give a shit if he wasn't a priest.
Yeah, because we didn't take a celibacy vow and because we don't pretend to be holy men....
A county is also harassing the victim still:
Satan is the real winner. That priest is going to hell. One more soul to add to the census in hell
Do you actually believe that? Lmao.
Lol! I thought this was sarcastic enough to be understood as a joke. I should have clarified that it's a joke.
So you got called out for your shitty beliefs, and now are back tracking. Got it.
Loser lmao
Reply Guys like you also go to hell. I'll see you in hell 🤣🤣
Oh shit my bad, I was wrong bro. You were right.
Nuh uh! Dont you backtrack and admit XYZ and how i am right! Im trying to prove a point that you suck! You cant just take it back and admit you were wrong!
Satan has been winning ever since he gave up on God’s bullshit “heaven”, and instead built his own afterlife with blackjack and hookers
This made me laugh thank you
did someone say blackjack and hookers?
Two. The girl posed as an adult while underaged and agreed to be paid for sex. If the priest is going, she's coming along surely.
What a screwed up religion.
No wonder it’s dying.
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