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Significant numbers of Republicans joined with Democrats in voting against President Donald Trump’s interests on high-profile pieces of legislation Thursday, suggesting his party’s unyielding loyalty to this point in his term has started to splinter.
The White House contacted members in the Colorado and Florida delegations to pressure them against voting yes on the override measures, according to three sources familiar with the conversations who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the topic.
Three votes - Venezuela, Arkansas Valley Conduit, and Alligator Alcatraz, all in defiance of Trump. The latter two to override his veto.
And number four, the biggest, Bill to extend Obamacare subsidies which both Trump and Johnson oppose. And more will likely come:
The House’s narrow two-vote margin has emboldened Democrats to continue forcing votes on measures that could earn bipartisan support and override Johnson’s wishes.
It's far too late for most of them to stake out space as Never Trumpers. I think a lot of them will try to straddle the fence and take a position like I love Trump and I support him 95% of the time, but I serve my constituents and they disagree with Trump on these issues.
I don’t think there’s any “Never Trump” Republicans left in Congress. They’ve all either retired or been primaried out. Anyone left has fully embraced him to various degrees.
That won't stop them all from claiming they were against Trump the whole time the instant he loses political relevance. And the Republican base will lap it up-- because they'll all be doing the exact same thing.
I'm concerned about the new expiration date on the ACA extensions.
That's a set up to not even try to fix the problems and dump it into the lap of Dems at the next election as a campaign issue with the problem festering and growing worse. Republicans will be able to drag out thenclaims that Dems don't care about fiscal responsibility (oh the irony and hypocrisy) and they want to "repeal and replace" never mind they've had more than a decade to come up with a plan, any plan and still have nothing.
I really, really, don't want these subsidies to be pulled without a meaningful solution to how to provide affordable healthcare for Americans but, without widespread and catastrophic pain and fear, I don't see how there will ever be enough pressure put on Congress to come to a solution and, meanwhile, costs and gov't spending go up.
If we have a Dem president in 2028 we almost certainly have a Dem House/Senate because of the maps and can change the subsidy bill as we want in reconciliation
If Dems win enough to do anything, it will be just barely, probably, but, even with a landslide majority that cooperates with each other, it will take more than one term to correct so much of what has been done and there will not be enough political capital to cover all of it.
Much better to have the fight before the election and get the Republicans, by necessity, on board than to jam it down their throats and have them fight anything for the next couple of decades.
Sadly, perhaps, fixing health care and health care insurance will definitely take some degree of real consensus and unity and I think the only way to get there is to see how bad it will be without it.
On one hand I really hope they can get a veto-proof vote regarding Greenland, and NATO allies generally, but on the other hand Trump taking anything short of that as condoning an invasion is plausible and would be a catastrophe, so I see why it’s not being rushed.
I was worried the venezuele invasion would rally republican members of congress to trump (whether through fear or nationalism), great to see the opposite is happening.
As I understand it, it is an extension for three years. So, in three years, Repuclicans are going to be banging on about "Covid era extensions" and Democratic fiscal irresponsibility and the voters will buy it never questioning where the "replace" plan in "repeal and replace" is or remembering we've been here and done that (by which i mean wasted a lot of time to be back where we started at).
But back to ACA subsidy and extensions. They were to address a real problem and hardship for many Americans - access to affordable health insurance. Has that issue gone away? Nope. Is there a better plan to address the problem? Nope. Is a subsidy still needed for an issue of life or death to many? Yep.
This is the reality we need to work from and I'm tired of political posturing and obstruction by those who have access to the best insurance and health care the tax payer can buy for them.
No "could be" about it and worse, the voters will blame whomever is elected in 2028 when they try to fix it. Unless it is Republicans and they will just blame it on Biden, or Obama, or buttery males, or Hunter Biden's laptop, or pedophiles but not theirs, or Antifa, or dog eating immigrants.
There's been certainly quite a few defecations among Republicans, seeing what is happening in their country.
The ride-or-die crowd is never as big and blindly loyal as those who are will try to make you believe.
Whether it'll end up in anything major, and whether they'll actually carry on blocking these ridiculous decisions, we'll see in time, but I think even these roadblocks are quite telling. Less and less people seem afraid of consequences of not falling in line, which I expect will continue to slowly snowball - the more people are already 'out', the less scary it'll seem to defy the leader.
Hell, I think the whole reason that the Administration's been so out of control in the past few weeks (the Maduro raid, fanning the flames of ICE's inhumanity, etc) is because their grip on power is weakening, and they know it. So they're desperately clawing to whatever power they still have to try to scare people back in line.
If a Republican shit their pants during a session of congress it would he a 24 hour news cycle.
If a Democrat did it would define the party in the 2080's
During that time 25 more Republicans would shit their pants in various international and domestic settings
Both parties are the same in this issue
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
I’m usually a pro-stove touching person, but getting Republicans on record for voting against these things and all Democrats voting in favor of it will be easy messaging for the midterms.
Not to mention the real impact letting these subsidies expire will have on Democrat voters. I eagerly voted a straight Democrat ticket, and my health insurance premiums went up basically 50%. And I can probably afford it better than a lot of other Harris voters.
Given that the main thrust of the longest government shutdown ever was for healthcare benefits, I think it's ok to get that extension. If any Democrat capital was burnt on the shutdown, and I don't think that there was in any significant fashion, this plus the flood of damning Epstein files, that came the week after the shutdown ended, may have restored that capital. I'd agree that this is good for messaging.
Tariffs are still active. There's still many burners that we're white knuckling.
defecting on the subsidies, the one thing the Dems asked for during the shutdown, also completely turns the narrative back around on Johnson and Trump. Why did we have a shutdown at all if there were enough votes to pass this compromise?
Delaying the subsidies already fucked up 2026, pass it to help the people and scream how GOP went out of their way to make healthcare expensive so Trump can blow it on military adventures
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Three votes - Venezuela, Arkansas Valley Conduit, and Alligator Alcatraz, all in defiance of Trump. The latter two to override his veto.
And number four, the biggest, Bill to extend Obamacare subsidies which both Trump and Johnson oppose. And more will likely come:
I’m actually surprised to see it for “smaller” pieces of legislation outside of Venezuela.
Good sign no matter what comes of it all.
This should go without saying that there should be a lot more defections, but the fact that there have been some isn’t nothing.
R senators and Congresspeople have seen the polling and know that they've a better chance retaining seats as Never Trumpers than as loyalists.
It's far too late for most of them to stake out space as Never Trumpers. I think a lot of them will try to straddle the fence and take a position like I love Trump and I support him 95% of the time, but I serve my constituents and they disagree with Trump on these issues.
I don’t think there’s any “Never Trump” Republicans left in Congress. They’ve all either retired or been primaried out. Anyone left has fully embraced him to various degrees.
That won't stop them all from claiming they were against Trump the whole time the instant he loses political relevance. And the Republican base will lap it up-- because they'll all be doing the exact same thing.
Massie is still there but that's probably it.
No more Cheneys and Romneys.
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I'm concerned about the new expiration date on the ACA extensions.
That's a set up to not even try to fix the problems and dump it into the lap of Dems at the next election as a campaign issue with the problem festering and growing worse. Republicans will be able to drag out thenclaims that Dems don't care about fiscal responsibility (oh the irony and hypocrisy) and they want to "repeal and replace" never mind they've had more than a decade to come up with a plan, any plan and still have nothing.
I really, really, don't want these subsidies to be pulled without a meaningful solution to how to provide affordable healthcare for Americans but, without widespread and catastrophic pain and fear, I don't see how there will ever be enough pressure put on Congress to come to a solution and, meanwhile, costs and gov't spending go up.
I feel like a very credible response is "it was working fine before you fucked this up"
If we have a Dem president in 2028 we almost certainly have a Dem House/Senate because of the maps and can change the subsidy bill as we want in reconciliation
If Dems win enough to do anything, it will be just barely, probably, but, even with a landslide majority that cooperates with each other, it will take more than one term to correct so much of what has been done and there will not be enough political capital to cover all of it.
Much better to have the fight before the election and get the Republicans, by necessity, on board than to jam it down their throats and have them fight anything for the next couple of decades.
Sadly, perhaps, fixing health care and health care insurance will definitely take some degree of real consensus and unity and I think the only way to get there is to see how bad it will be without it.
I hope they keep beating the discharge petition to death with Marge and Massie, until the caucus decides Johnson is useless.
Anyone want to take bets on when the 2026 season of Who Wants to be Speaker of the US House starts?
Marge quit Congress, dude.
Oh yeah
On one hand I really hope they can get a veto-proof vote regarding Greenland, and NATO allies generally, but on the other hand Trump taking anything short of that as condoning an invasion is plausible and would be a catastrophe, so I see why it’s not being rushed.
I was worried the venezuele invasion would rally republican members of congress to trump (whether through fear or nationalism), great to see the opposite is happening.
I misread that as defecation. And was like?
That might have been even better. But I’ll settle for greater ACA subsidies for now.
As I understand it, it is an extension for three years. So, in three years, Repuclicans are going to be banging on about "Covid era extensions" and Democratic fiscal irresponsibility and the voters will buy it never questioning where the "replace" plan in "repeal and replace" is or remembering we've been here and done that (by which i mean wasted a lot of time to be back where we started at).
To be clear, they ARE covid era steps
To be clear, the tax cuts were also "temporary."
But back to ACA subsidy and extensions. They were to address a real problem and hardship for many Americans - access to affordable health insurance. Has that issue gone away? Nope. Is there a better plan to address the problem? Nope. Is a subsidy still needed for an issue of life or death to many? Yep.
This is the reality we need to work from and I'm tired of political posturing and obstruction by those who have access to the best insurance and health care the tax payer can buy for them.
If we need the subsidies we should raise taxes to pay for them.
The way Trump is spending, the 2028 winner could be inheriting a fiscal crisis
No "could be" about it and worse, the voters will blame whomever is elected in 2028 when they try to fix it. Unless it is Republicans and they will just blame it on Biden, or Obama, or buttery males, or Hunter Biden's laptop, or pedophiles but not theirs, or Antifa, or dog eating immigrants.
As has been the case for every Democrat taking office after a Republican for the last thirty years.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see that in a headline with Trump as his mental condition deteriorates further
He's called Diaper Don for a reason
Who’s gonna mop this all up?!
Depends
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How about this man?
There's been certainly quite a few defecations among Republicans, seeing what is happening in their country.
The ride-or-die crowd is never as big and blindly loyal as those who are will try to make you believe.
Whether it'll end up in anything major, and whether they'll actually carry on blocking these ridiculous decisions, we'll see in time, but I think even these roadblocks are quite telling. Less and less people seem afraid of consequences of not falling in line, which I expect will continue to slowly snowball - the more people are already 'out', the less scary it'll seem to defy the leader.
Hell, I think the whole reason that the Administration's been so out of control in the past few weeks (the Maduro raid, fanning the flames of ICE's inhumanity, etc) is because their grip on power is weakening, and they know it. So they're desperately clawing to whatever power they still have to try to scare people back in line.
If a Republican shit their pants during a session of congress it would he a 24 hour news cycle. If a Democrat did it would define the party in the 2080's During that time 25 more Republicans would shit their pants in various international and domestic settings Both parties are the same in this issue Thank you for your attention to this matter.
That was January 6th a few years ago.
Oh, he'd love that
Nooooooo, don't extend the subsidies let them touch da stove
I’m usually a pro-stove touching person, but getting Republicans on record for voting against these things and all Democrats voting in favor of it will be easy messaging for the midterms.
Not to mention the real impact letting these subsidies expire will have on Democrat voters. I eagerly voted a straight Democrat ticket, and my health insurance premiums went up basically 50%. And I can probably afford it better than a lot of other Harris voters.
Given that the main thrust of the longest government shutdown ever was for healthcare benefits, I think it's ok to get that extension. If any Democrat capital was burnt on the shutdown, and I don't think that there was in any significant fashion, this plus the flood of damning Epstein files, that came the week after the shutdown ended, may have restored that capital. I'd agree that this is good for messaging.
Tariffs are still active. There's still many burners that we're white knuckling.
defecting on the subsidies, the one thing the Dems asked for during the shutdown, also completely turns the narrative back around on Johnson and Trump. Why did we have a shutdown at all if there were enough votes to pass this compromise?
That's a logical question to ask, but not one a median voter would ever think to ask. They likely won't even remember the shutdown.
If health insurance prices skyrocket, they will feel that on election day.
Lol median voters caring about Congressional voting records, good one.
Delaying the subsidies already fucked up 2026, pass it to help the people and scream how GOP went out of their way to make healthcare expensive so Trump can blow it on military adventures
The mother of 3 in the Alabama black belt is not who I want touching the stove and that who is hurt by these cuts.
Nah I would like it if my mom could afford health insurance. It went from $27 a mo to $1200
And let more people suffer? Nah
Brooooo when are these fuckers gonna touch the fucking stove😭😭 technocrats BAILING out incompetent authoritarians as Per usual